What are the ideal tactical applications of a light recce vehicle in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine? Could this give a chance for something on par with the early war BTR-4 kino, or the humvee Cossacks of izium? Or will it struggle to prove itself in the mine laden fields of artillery kill zones?
they're already been hoovering up all the other CVR(T)s so they must like the it
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Neat, not sure how great they're OLD expeditionary force vehicles heading into heavy combat, but they might do ok I guess.
How do they compare to BTR-4s?
If you put a third gen sight on a btr4 probably similar outside of frontal armor, only they're faster and way smaller
The btrs had fun in urban environments with the shift to trench clearing what place if any does a light afv fit into the strategic and tactical level.
BTR4s are an APC with a 30mm, Scimitar is a Recon AFV.
Btr4 is protected against 7.62AP to the sides and 12.7mm to the front.
Scimi is protected against 12.7mm to the sides and 14.5mm to the front, with enhanced mine protection and seats for mines/ieds
Btr4 has a better stabilized gun with a higher rpm
Scimitar has the Rarden like the warrior, non stabilized 90pm
BTR4 has Gen2 thermal
Scimi has Gen 3
Fun fact Ukraine used to make an upgrade for the Scimitar as part of a proposal to Jordan, its pretty nice same gun/turret as the BTR4.
>32mm Aluminium side armor
>protected vs 50cal
You are pulling my fucking nose
CVRT isn't aluminium armour, it's an aluminium, zinc, magnesium alloy. It's stupid strong for its weight and it's development allowed the CVRT range to be so goated.
Good job retard, when I mean aluminium, I obviously mean Al-alloy like every aluminium armored vehicle
I've also looked at a Spartan and it doesn't have 60mm side armor. All CVRTs are fairly equal in their armor layout
The alloy in CVRT is unqie to that and some other British vehicles. So no retard you didn't.
Now we've entered the fucking delusion that AA7017 alloy is a fucking uber material, Fucking lmao
>The FV103 Spartan has a combat mass of only 10.6 tons and can take a landing force of only four people, with a crew of three. The maximum speed that this armored vehicle can reach on the highway is 90 km/h. And for such a compact armored personnel carrier with a body length of 5.16 meters, it has a fairly decent level of protection: the thickness of the aluminum body is 60 mm, and the frontal parts withstand the impact of 14.5 mm bullets from a distance of 200 m, the side and stern protection against shrapnel from shells and mines and enemy firearms.
The MK2 Scimitar has the added Ceramic protection too
The quote is from a Ukrainian site so its not exactly from the manufacturer but if i find it ill post. The Spartan had better armor than the rest of the CVRT family from the get go so the 32mm you quoted was never right.
>The modernised Scimitar Mk2 vehicle incorporates a new aluminium hull design based on Spartan armoured personnel carrier’s hull. The design provides for additional headroom for driver, allowing integration of blast attenuation seat. External parts are covered with anti-corrosion protective coatings to enhance corrosion-resistance. The vehicle has superior mobility and high reliability and can operate under a variety of environmental conditions during day and night. It has a maximum combat weight of 12,250kg.
>The Scimitar Mk2 is equipped with Plasan ceramic ballistic armour for increased protection against Kinetic Energy (KE) threats. Bar armour is also fitted to the hull for protection against Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) attacks and the fuel tanks are protected from blasts.
>The hull and turret are fitted with enhanced mine blast-protection and electronic countermeasures for protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
Thats all i can find from a reliable source however so what i said prior is open to being proven wrong.
The only part of the CVRT hull that is 60mm thick is the (nearl) vertical front plate, when it starts to bend it begins to thin down to 30mm
>The FV101 was a very light armoured vehicle, weighing in at a mere 8 tonnes. This meant some compromises had to be made on protection. The vehicle had 12.7 mm[15] of sloped aluminium armour,[16][17] giving an average effective thickness of 25 mm.[18]
>The FV101 had all-around protection from shell fragments and 7.62 mm rounds,[19] and the heavily sloped frontal arc was designed to be resistant to 14.5 mm rounds fired from 200 m
Thats the Scorpion that is protected against 7.62ap, the FV103 has higher protection as standard
>As a result of combat experience in Afghanistan, the British Army upgraded several Scimitar light tanks to Mark 2 standard. The improvements included a new aluminium hull based on that of the Spartan troop carrier, which provides greater internal volume and protection, and a new fuel system, environmental control system and suspension.
Thats the FV103 hull, note its more protected than the base FV101/7 add the plasan ceramic armor onto that and it gives a much better rated protection of 7.62ap to the sides.
Here you can see the applique armor bolted on the side of the hull.
Based Brits. Always willing to add extra protection, no matter how stupid it makes their shit look.
>aluminium, zinc, magnesium alloy
I think i take those as supplements daily, how are they supposed to stop bullets when they dissolve in my tummy????
I thought i read it somewhere but i cant source it so i could be wrong. The 32mm ally armor is the mk1 though the mk2 has ceramic armor in addition to the base hull of the Spartan which is 60mm.
>Rarden like the warrior
So a non stabilized gun fed from 3 round clips?
Sounds kinda shitty
That is pretty rough
Would be the best of both worlds but alas
Yeh its not the best, fine for a recce vic though not ideal for an ifv. Plus its got confirmed tank kills.
I love the Scimi
>Fast as fuck
>Gen 3 Thermals
>History of killing tanks
>Brother got hit by an Abrams killing no one
Are you trolling OP or is this real?
The Ukrainian propaganda channel suggested it’s real so it’s food for thought. I too love British light AFVs
The kill zones will fuck up any vehicle, but it's a good little support vehicle. It's supposedly not too shabby in terms of mine protection but given the mines being used that might be put to the test, anything that increases crew survivability is a plus though, because trained and experienced crews are in short supply on both sides of the conflict right now.
I hope it's true, if it's going to perform anywhere near to how the Spartan in uke service did, it's going to finally venerate our panic purchase made back in 2014
Anons anons let’s be civil here. Any footage of auto cannon use by Ukrainians this month?
>Be civil
>Warriortard filename
No reading it.
>warriortard thread
stinks like bad cheese
Take meds, and check under your bed for warriortard before you go to bed. Dumbass.
thanks for your expectable reply warriortard, i m sure everyone will now not think it isnt you
Does the Scimitar have the same manual turret traverse as the scorpion?
The MK1 has the manual turret traverse but the MK2 upgrade gave it a full powered turret
>will it struggle to prove itself in the mine laden fields of artillery kill zones?
Name an armored vehicle that hasn't. That being said if the alternative is an unarmored civilian vehicle i'll take it, especially since the scimitar is designed for survivability against mines.
>After checking that I and the crew were unharmed it only took about 30 seconds for the jokes and banter to start, which helped to alleviate the stress of what had just happened.
>IED blast just for the bants
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/soldiers-survive-ied-strike-thanks-to-scimitar
I meant it only as a foil to the first option for vehicle performance seen in the conflict.
It will be used same as all other British IFVs Ukraine bought up, carry troops, provide firepower, rescue wounded, due to protect its crew.
50 light recce vehicles is 50 light recce vehicles, nothing more, nothing less
Mud season. Which we are already perfectly aware of.
>I wish Ukes had a collection of CVR(t) and amx-13 platforms, like a brigade for each one specifically for mud season.
How much fun would that be?
I still feel so cheated that the 47th got their m-55s taken away (and moved to a front that drew in the Russians because they thought that meant Ukes considered them weak. They performed well).
If anything has been made obsolete from this war its light recce vehicles
Detection of armoured vehicles up to 20km away is not obsolete
Drones do it better, but they're way better than the fucking cars they're driving around in that we see all the time.
These cages stop the impact of RPG and other projectiles that are made to pierce heavy armor.
The charge detonates before it can reach the actual armor, which protects the hull.
I just want to see the gun sight on one of these things. They have Catherine MP its a HD thermal imager.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/catherine-mp-mw
Anyone else feel like opsec got more stringent or was it the nature of the conflict that robbed us of the constant flow of kino that the early war gave us? You used to just stumbled on drone footage of IFVs with squads assaulting positions, don’t get me wrong I love a good trench raid but it seems like things have changed dramatically in afv usage to be a lot less aggressive.
We're only seeing professional stuff. They seem to be cracking down on footage released that's not under some form of government control.
The Chally loss footage for instance was only released by Ukrainians so they could preface the loss on social media before the Russians could lie about it.
I'd rather be in a Scimitar than a Humvee or, even worse, a Hilux.