renovating old 1910s apartment.
the wiring was ancient. bought 5 spools of 6mm wires to replace it. total 225m. cost: a lot of €€€€
gave the electrician room and privacy to do his job. I thought that was what you're supposed to do. he finished the job and left, but when I tried to plug in some appliances nothing worked. brought another one to pull out the wiring and see what went wrong- found out that he had only replaced the wiring at the start and at the end to make the job look legitimate, and kept the spools for himself to resell.
contacted a lawyer- he investigated him and found out he has absolutely nothing to his name, and therefore can't be sued. there is nothing I can do.
are you really supposed to breath down tradies necks to get the job done? so disappointing...
In the U.S., you could have him arrested for theft, or if the cops are dicks about that you could sue him in small claims court for "conversion" and get a lien against him. Even if he can't pay now, some states are more friendly than others about being able to levy bank accounts or to prevent him from being able to sell a house or car without paying you.
In the U.S>, you could also spread the word in the community that he's a crook.
But since you used the euro symbol I have no idea what the laws are where you are, and that includes defamation or "business interference" laws that might get YOU sued by HIM for telling people he's a scumbag.
no small claims courts here in Italy. if you want to start a lawsuit against someone, as part of the initial court proceedings, you must state which of his registrable assets you plan to seize: car, house, bank account that's not empty, etc. He has none and therefore can't be sued. it's a huge disappointment because the building administrator personally recommended him for doing similar repairs in 3 other apartments in the past year. I'll just make sure no one in the building hires him again.
>it's a huge disappointment because the building administrator personally recommended him for doing similar repairs in 3 other apartments in the past year.
has building administrator accepted any fault for the recomenation?
>he investigated him and found out he has absolutely nothing to his name, and therefore can't be sued
is crime really that easy in italy? wow how backwards
>italy
>cost: a lot of €€€€
>gave the electrician room and privacy to do his job. I thought that was what you're supposed to do
lmao, you should see what else he stole during that time scamming you.
And you don't just hire random tradies and leave them unsupervised until you are 100% sure they are legit. And even then you pop in to look what they're doing, unless you are absolutely sure, 95% of tradespeople are scamming crooks until proven otherwise.
Hope you learned your lesson.
You should probably have hired someone with a license and insurance so you could lein those.
You're also not getting a pay day. Hiring a lawyer is not gonna help, you need small claims court otherwise the lawyer is gonna take everything.
Basically you get the cost of the spools back, everything you paid the guy,and maybe $200 in punitive/compensatory damages because you had to come down to small claims court to bust a foot off in his ass
dubass or trollpost 6mm2 is AWG9
what the fuck were you even trying to do wit 1x6 ? do you have a oven in every room needing 40 Amps?
so you're in Europe, but not Germany since we do not use 1x wires we use 3x1,5mm2 or 3x2,5mm2 or 5x of the former.
electric oven, washing machine, AC in every bedroom + living room, electric water heater for the shower, etc, during the tourist season most of these will be in use simultaneously through the day. used 4mm in another apartment (the standard) and even though it was "OK" i wanted it to be perfect
What size circuit breaker would you use then? For a decent sized oven I’d use 6mm from the breaker to a terminal where I’d run for from on its own breaker, for a shower 4mm on its own CB and same as oven for AC, depending on its size. Washing machine id put on a ring with other sockets, 32amp breaker and 2.5mm t&e. You must like throwing money away.
*for the oven breaker>6mm t&e>terminal>flex>oven
still retarded, use a own breaker and 1,5 wire for every room light and every 3 sockets. on 10 or 16A breaker, this way you get more redundancy and easier fault finding. Try finding the broken device that trips the rcd at night withouth light.
washing machine and dryer and kitchen sockets get their own wire for each.
AC needs 1,5 for a single split.
(OR 2,5 if really long runs or installation inside thermic insulation.)
So only the oven and tankles? water heater need 6mm2
>water heater need 6mm2
It really doesnt. At 230 volts with a 16 amp breaker a 3x2,5mm cable can handle 3600 watts. Most residential water heaters dont reach that. You could go to 4mm and a 20 amp juat to be sure, but 6mm is really excessive.
And you still wouldnt pull that as individual double insulated cables, like what OP posted. You would use YMVK industry standard. Also 1,5mm for sockets is a little undersized. Fine for lights. But you get retards like OP plugging in 15 microwaves into a single circuit.
i assumed op wants a tank-less water heater which for a shower usually needs 3 phases and 40Amps.
about sockets, i think if i build a house i would go into the effort to run 1 3x1,5 NYM (like YMVK) to ever socket and give it its own breaker. this way i could easily ad a relay for a socket later and automate stuff. and the 1,5 should be enough.
2,5 mm is better but its a pain in the ass to make the connections (in Germany we don't use junction boxes anymore we use deep socket enclosures and make the connection down there, that's hard with 2,5
>about sockets, i think if i build a house i would go into the effort to run 1 3x1,5 NYM (like YMVK) to ever socket and give it its own breaker.
Jesus christ.
>make the connection [is] hard with 2,5
lol no it fucking isn't, you just jam it into the wago like any other wire and dress the wires into the back of the box
Anyway, never do any of your own electrical work anywhere ever, you're an absolute danger
>Jesus christ.
i am an industrial electrician, here this is standard often with a FI/LS combination for every socket for absolute overkill.
>lol no it fucking isn't, you just jam it into the wago like any other wire and dress the wires into the back of the box
If you ever did any work you would know its harder to nicely bend 2,5 down in here (pic), remember >2 5x2,5mm2 wires and light switch or socket have to go in here as well. definitely harder than 1,5mm2
>Anyway, never do any of your own electrical work anywhere ever, you're an absolute danger
kek
>i am an industrial electrician
Jesus Christ
Also now it figures how you know nothing about domestic installation because Jesus Christ.
>If you ever did any work you would know
I live in the Netherlands. We wire everything into a single central box, often something like 6 2,5mm times 3, plus one or two 1,5mm. It's a peace of piss.
so instead of doing it like pic with junction boxes or like modern German installations that have the connections behind the switches, you make the connections in the central box?
Basically, yes. The centre box normally sits in the ceiling (often behind the light fitting) and then everything is branched out of it down to the switches & sockets. But we use plenty of junction boxes, and branches behind sockets & switches if needed E.g. a light switch at half-height with a socket below it; you just run everything in the same conduit and then branch whatever you need behind the switch to carry on down to the socket.
> in Germany we don't use junction boxes anymore
Do we not?
>and light switch or socket have to go in here as well.
Do they? What's stopping you from, say, putting an empty one at the traditional junction box height and using it as a - drumroll - junction box? That's what I always do because junction boxes suck in terms of available space. Though sometimes I'll use big, square boxes with screw on lids if I need lots of space. They're a bit of a pain to align with the plaster but that's what lasers are for.
most modern under plaster installations do not use junction boxes in the upper wall region anymore. less drilling, less plastering, looks cleaner. you don't destroy the wallpaper if you want to reach a splice for measuring etc.
for visible installation in the basement or garage i do as you and use the biggest boxes available. there its much more likely you ad a new socket or light in a few years.
hey you got the money suck my nuts
i did that job and i am still doing the same thing
Never take your eyes off contractors you dumb euro fuck
>6mm
lol.
you bought it or spark told you to buy it?
why the fuck you would buy materials for a tradie when outlets all mark up prices to fuck public customers. let him buy he will get it cheaper than you easily.
>and kept the spools for himself to resell
you didn't notice him walking out carrying 5 massive spools of wire?
fuicking retard
Sounds like he literally found the first homeless dude he could see and told him to do the job. Doesn't even have a car or a house, did he take the bus to your job site?
Next time offer anyone you hire meth. If he accepts expect the same behavior
hire a reliable company not some oneman shitshow and let them choose and supply material.
or like i did, im a tradie myself and we all know each other so i just did it all myself and had an electrican buddy sign it off.
Like other respondents said, you call the police; It's simple theft: the wire belongs in the building, not wherever he already sold the spools at.
Why you would contact an attorney at all is ridiculous.
Do you document things? Paper is so 1800's. Video, audio evidence? Every android phone can run Easy Voice Recorder, and fit in a shirt pocket. I record critical conversations all the time; fuck any 'two party' restriction in legal code, that's just the agreement of legislature, which I have nothing to do with. Have two phones with you; if it's an important call, go to speakerphone [Android direct telephone recording is broken on most phones].
Did you do your due diligence? You seem to know nothing about electrical; that's bad. If ignorance is bliss, this world must be perfect. The other electrician, you couldn't get a quote from him? The STANDARD is to get 3 quotes, which tradies will do either for free, or at minimum (if it's a distance for him to travel) he will credit whatever reasonable estimate fee towards your bill when you hire him, because he knows he's that good.
If that guy really did that other work, and it was him, not an underling he subbed in, then he saw you as an ignorant, wealthy mark. Someone who is the product of the Public Fool System, which doesn't turn out educated people, but Marks for criminals, both blue-collar and white-collar (e.g. your politicians who you think you select) to rape and rob.
If you had gotten a real education from your mom and dad, going back unbroken for generations, then the above knowledge and awareness, would be 'baked-in'. Your 'sixth sense' is not 6, it is numero uno.
OP is a glutton for punishment, coming on /diy to report such a thing.
What the fuck cringe shit did I just read. Go to bed you dumb hick
I'm not the one who allowed himself to be anally raped over a college tuition. Then has an ego problem, so he comes on a boar, like diy, to advertise both that and his insecurity/L.D.S. to everyone.
>Every android phone can run Easy Voice Recorder, and fit in a shirt pocket. I record critical conversations all the time; fuck any 'two party' restriction in legal code
100% this, always record. I bought a Sony recorder, really handy and good for lectures, interviews, doctors visits and phonecalls.
No reason not to record important stuff.
Why did you hire a random thief instead of an actual electrician?
No you are supposed to contact legit businesses not paying black market. Also no legit contractor would agree to a job where the customer provides materials. Firsly because of quality control, second because of deals they have with suppliers. You use euros so I really would have thought you would know better than to hire black market what with all the EU customer protection shit.
>Italian
Nevermind of course you Southerners are all retards. Half your economy is black market no wonder you are always in debt.
Also you dont use single wire 6mm cable for fucking residential installations. All EU code uses 3x2,5mm as a base cable thickness for residential 16 amp circuits. Those 6mm spools you posted are used for the likes of solar panels and industrial wiring.