Saudi Arabia to jointly develop a 6th gen fighter with South Korea

https://www.globaldefenseaerospacepost.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=1227
>Korean daily newspaper, ASIA ECONOMY, reported on January 30 that Korean government delegation visited Saudi Arabia last week in order to suggest the co-development of the fighter aircraft program.

>According to ASIA ECONOMY, Korean delegation consisting of officials from Ministry of National Defense and ADD (Agency for Defense Development) is known to pay courtesy call on Vice Minister Khaled bin Hussein Al-Biyari, as well.

>During the visit, Korea is known to present the Korea's aircraft development program that it has the plan to develop 5th generation, KF-21 Block III, by upgrading KF-21, 4.5TH generation. Korea stressed that, by developing KF-21 Block III, the lead time to develop 6th generation MUM-T(Manned-Unmanned Teaming) can be considerably curtailed.

>120 KF-21 aircraft will be produced through 2032, starting from this year.

>So far Saudi Arabia has not been able to find a country to jointly develop a 6th generation fighter jet. Britain, Italy and Japan signed the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP) agreement last month to jointly develop a sixth-generation fighter jet. GCAP plans to deploy fighter jets with much improved supersonic performance and radar detection capabilities by 2035. Saudi Arabia has expressed its desire to participate in GCAP on several occasions. In July last year, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman met with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida and conveyed his intentions. However, Japan is known to have expressed opposition, saying much of the work has been completed and the timetable to complete the project by 2035 is tight. In Europe, France and Spain are already developing the 6th generation fighter ‘Future Combat Aerial System (FCAS)’ under the leadership of Germany. The first test flight is planned to take place in 2029.

What are the market prospects of the joint KSA-ROK 6th gen fighter? And how will it fare against the GCAP?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It will end up as vaporware with a bunch of long nose Saudis pocketing the cash

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It will end up as vaporware
      ?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the electronics in this are Korean but the design was given to them by Lockheed unlike the turks that made the kaan from scratch. They probably don't have a liscence to the stealth tech.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If SA puts the money and worst Korea the engineers they might get something useful. If they end up having to indulge some Saudi princes larping as airplane designers they'll end up with Homer Simpson's car

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was thinking that, SA should limit themselves to just bring cash bricks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. If Saudis realize their role as ”fund stuff, get stuff”, it could work, but I fully assume that they will screw everything up beyond recognition if they start making demands or think that they know something better than asiatics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      SA has near unlimited disposable investable capital, even compared to SK, US and most certainly any nation involved in gcap/fcas vaporware

      SK has best-in-class miltech on everything except for a few areas that the US still dominates (especially related to intel where the UK ironically is still strong, everything else UK related is worse than say a Turkey or even an Iran)...

      If they coordinate this properly will be solid airframe with whatever the US rolls out as comparable, but what this tardbrained /k board has no clue about it that the SK/SA or even SA/GCC linkage is far more strategic than simply weapons systems, keep in mind that of all the nations that the GCC entered into an FTA with its SK and this is despite the US and UK trying for near a century to break into...seems the arabs don't trust the anglos, chinese, or russians...only the koreans, make of this what you will...

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >In Europe, France and Spain are already developing the 6th generation fighter ‘Future Combat Aerial System (FCAS)’ under the leadership of Germany.
    >France and Spain are already developing the 6th generation fighter
    >under the leadership of Germany.
    Ultra topkek deluxe edition HD

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only 6th gens that will see the sky are the US ones and GCAP
      Bizzarro world.
      Comedic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        yeah

        >GCAP
        yeah

        https://i.imgur.com/odvrlW0.png

        Yeah there is no way those countries could ever be successful at building planes.

        >Yeah there is no way those countries
        >those
        >countries
        >s
        >could ever be successful at building planes.
        yeah

        >Prime: 4 times Airbus (German)
        What’s the lie?

        >Prime: 4 times Airbus (German)
        >What’s the lie?
        yeah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah there is no way those countries could ever be successful at building planes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The joke is
        >under the leadership of Germany
        when if FCAS ever flies it will be a French plane developed by French contractors and made in France with French engines, biased towards French requirements while German leadership amounts to signing a check.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Prime: 4 times Airbus (German)
      What’s the lie?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he thinks the French won't throw a hissy fit at the last moment and pull out again
        Already happened with the Eurofighter and it WILL happen again with the FCAS.

        • 3 weeks ago
          yeah

          Good

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Saudi Arabia to jointly develop a 6th gen fighter with South Korea

    What Korea wants isn't what Korea gets.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah that'll make Saudi Arabia a competent military force

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a waste, you could give saudis an F-22 and they'd still find a way to lose it to a sopwith camel

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A country that could not do anything teaming up qith a country that could not do anything. I'm sure together they will be able to do anything.

    Korea needs to end the pseudo arms manufacturer meme. Its a cope to make up for the whole kpop homosexualry they're famous for

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Saudis get snubbed by GCAP
    >throw funds at KF-21 that won't even be 5th gen by the 2030s
    Why are arabs such fricking morons?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, at least this way they'll have authority to push for certain requirements they deem necessary that the UK/Japan wouldn't give a shit about and wouldn't have bothered incorporating into GCAP.

      But yeah, they should've just tried to push for being the first GCAP export customer. Now they'll get a asiaticjet in 20 years if they're lucky.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >20 years
        KF-21 is already flying, whereas the euros will be forever haggling over their work shares.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "it flies" is about the only credit you can give it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It has test fired both IRST and Meteor. Not a toy level mock up as KAAN.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well yeah, lockheed basically gave the blueprints away and they've worked closely with other western MIC behemoths to integrate a lot of good western tech into their "domestic" fighter.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >"stealth plane"
              >external weapon mounts
              ISHYGDDT

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kf-21 is 4.5th gen, it won't be 5th gen until at LEAST the mid 2030s at the earliest, and it likely wont have any radar absorbing coating making it only equivalent to the SU-57, not true 5th gens (F-22/F-35).

          Which means 6th gen development of the KF-21 wouldn't begin in earnest until at LEAST the mid 2030s if not the early 2040s, and it will take 5-10 years to develop from that point, so yeah, 20-30 years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kf-21 is 4.5th gen, it won't be 5th gen until at LEAST the mid 2030s
            That's what the initial plan was as the South Korean air force was in no hurry and their only intention is to replace aging air fleets as fast as possible using cheaper 4.5th gen versions. So far, nothing has been confirmed beyond the block II, and block III has only existed as a company proposition. Even so, it's been specifically mentioned that they can speed up the progress if they start the development in tandem with the UCAV they're already working on, which is going to be fully stealth with IWB and EOTS, all the bells and whistles including domestic engines.

            Well yeah, lockheed basically gave the blueprints away and they've worked closely with other western MIC behemoths to integrate a lot of good western tech into their "domestic" fighter.

            >"stealth plane"
            >external weapon mounts
            ISHYGDDT

            Most of the electronics in this are Korean but the design was given to them by Lockheed unlike the turks that made the kaan from scratch. They probably don't have a liscence to the stealth tech.

            KF-21 is already flying as we speak, whereas KAAN can't. Have you ever wondered why they've been postponing the first flight ever since the election is finished?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >our stealth larp is ahead of their stealth larp
              Well done, it's the shinier of two turds.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except that the Koreans have actually got the capability to pull off an actual stealth machine, and the other doesn't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >have actually got the capability to pull off an actual stealth machine
                I wonder why they didn't make the KF-21 an actual stealth machine

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because that's the only way to bring down the cost as intended, by utilizing off-the-shelf components that have already been adopted in EF or other aircrafts. They did left the space for upgrades so that it can be retrofitted into one in the future.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If installed, the IWB will likely fit as many as 6 AIM-120 or its equivalents inside as shown in a previous PR video.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >6th gen
    Wait a sec, isn't state of the art and peak technology F35 just a 5th gen?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are the South Koreans that desperate?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean wouldn't you be if you were within 10k miles of two dictatorships?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    yeah

    >ITT: the asiaticeans suddenly think they're big bois and are gonna teach everyone how to make planes
    lmao you exist solely through the will of the west to hold your hand.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Saudi Arabia to jointly develop a 6th gen fighter with South Korea

    TRANSLATION: Saudi Arabia to jointly devel a 4th gen fighter with South Korea

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So 6th gen capabilities now include technology for turning cowardly, effeminate Arabs into competent fighting men? Because if not, what use do the Saudis have for any new aircraft?

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