Sandboxx on youtube claims current gen stealth jets are easily tracked using low frequency radar, they're just hard to target since the resolutio...

Sandboxx on youtube claims current gen stealth jets are easily tracked using low frequency radar, they're just hard to target since the resolution of early warning radars is too low.
Also says this would not be the case for jets without upright tailfins.
True or false?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    semi-true
    you actually can track stealth fighters with long-wave radar

    the data is just not good enough to actually be used to intercept
    you would need to cover a relatively large search area, and the target is constantly moving the whole time
    so the data is of limited combat utility as it cannot be used to alert SAMs or to scramble fighters

    and of course, EW is a thing
    scanning the air with any kind of radar will result in SEAD or DEAD being launched to make sure your radar stays off one way or another

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the data is just not good enough to actually be used to intercept
      Just how inaccurate are they? This makes it seem like they'd be off by a shitton

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Radar operates (more or less) like visible light. High frequency radar operates like a search light, and stealth technology is like painting something pure black so it remains indistinguishable from the night sky. However even if something is as close to pure black as humanly possible eventually you'll be able to see it if it gets close enough or you have a beam powerful enough. Low frequency radar is a bit different because it has a very long wavelength, it gets scattered when it hits a target the same way sunlight is scattered by our atmosphere. Thus, instead of showing a detailed reflection of the target it appears as more of a vague glow.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but not useless. Visual confirmation still works obviously, so if early warning tells you a bunch of stealth fighters are coming from X direction you can still scramble jets to engage them, and the older non-stealth jets tend to be faster.

        Problem is that they will get picked apart by the stealth fighters at a distance because the stealth fighters can get locks and fire standoff weapons.

        To be stealthy, you can't use regular high powered radar. You have to do all sorts of tricks so your own radar isn't picked off, but the F-35 and newer shit has great networking so it doesn't need its own radar to find targets. You can have an AWACS further back painting targets, or drones, or an F-15 acting as a missle truck.

        Older aircraft can still try some desperate tricks like trying to stay low and wait for IDs.

        You can also fire missiles in the general direction of a stealth craft picked up on low freq and try to have it pick up the target on the way in, but you're unlikely to have the missiles to do this if you don't also have the tech for your own stealth fighters.

        I do wonder if stealth vs stealth might result in opponents not spotting each other until they are in close proximity, resulting in dog fighting again.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I do wonder if stealth vs stealth might result in opponents not spotting each other until they are in close proximity, resulting in dog fighting again.
          If radar doesn't work, using camera and AI targeting is likely to be the new dogfight.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >current gen stealth jets are easily tracked using low frequency radar, they're just hard to target since the resolution of early warning radars is too low.
    This part is true. If the wavelength is longer than the airframe it will always provide a return no matter how "stealthy" the aircraft.
    >Also says this would not be the case for jets without upright tailfins.
    This part is not true. Tailfins do impede stealth, but it doesn't change the long wavelength thing.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >easily tracked
    Depends on your definition, it would be more appropriate to say low band radar lets you be aware a low RCS target is in a vague direction. Tracking implies knowledge of altitude, speed and direction which is unlikely

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ever heard of google?
    https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/the-f-35-vs-the-vhf-threat/

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could in theory use several high wavelength radars to try and overcome the grainy resolution and provide accurate enough targeting data. The issue in practice is such radar arrays are very big, immobile, and need to be constantly scanning to be of any use, making them prime targets.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The F-22 replacement looks like AIDS. I assume it must be some almao level super tech to justify looking so fucking dumb.
    Meanwhile the new Euro and Jap air superiority fighters look awesome, very much like the F-22. For example, pic related is the Mitsubishi F-3.

    So, while I hate the new look, it does make me think that other wealthy nations are just now catching up to the F-22, which is quite old at this point, while the US is going to make another leap with this ugly atrocity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The F-22 replacement looks like AIDS
      What does it look like?

      hint, you have no idea, all "images" so far are based on mid 2010's artist depictions of what COULD be a cool fighter design and the USAF and media outlets just continued using similar design renders.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a Su-57 retard, bad bait.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a render that looks a lot like an Su-57 which Business Insider stupidly used as a picture of an Su-57 in flight.

      More recent renders differentiate better. They do look very similar.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This looks sick. Like something from a 90s shmup

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm honestly a bit excited to see what japan can do. The X-2 5th gen demonstrator was pretty cool, their 6th gen development now has some international backing with the Rolls-Royce joint engine development deal. Talks of future potential collaboration with the Tempest program.

          I think we could see a very nice (though potentially very expensive) japanese 6th gen fighter available to the export market in the mid 2030s and if they're lucky they'll beat out both FCAS and Tempest.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Air Force is even now ready to start retiring F-22s. It might be 5th gen tech, but it was built on 20th century warfighting principles.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Long wavelength/low frequency radars also will generate significant returns from clouds, and the frequencies that would be needed are utilized for commercial civilian broadcasting. If you are 3rd world shit hole that believes you will only get bombed on clear, cloudless days, it might work, until the large radar array needed gets bombed by a low altitude cruise missile.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can anyone explain to me why the designer moved the engine inlets to the bottom of the airframe ? Wouldn't it be better to have each engine inlet to the side in the upper part of the airframe thus freeing the bottom part for carrying more ordinance ?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's an artistic render, not anything anyone is actually making or an engineer designed.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t give my sources but the NGAD fighter is going to be very unconventional. It’s going to be large, almost as big as a B2 in order to store a lot of weapons internally.
    It’s going to have a long range but at the cost of being very fast or very maneuverable.
    It’s going to use lasers for point defense against missiles and it’s going to be insanely stealthy for radar and infrared.
    Screen cap this. The United States will have air supremacy over the world.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >low frequency radar
    >easily tracked
    yeah and radar emissions are easily tracked especially the low frequency ones

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