samurai lies

are samurai’s and edo period shogun’s the most retconned warriors in history?

the more i read about these idiots the less i like them. as far as i can tell, the japanese themselves hated them throughout most of history and the reverence for samurai’s is a relatively new thing that came into existence during the last century or so

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The samurai wrote the history about themselves themselves anon.....

    They were a ruling class that gained their position through military coup d'états that's about it

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    same shit for every other "warrior" too they were all gays history is a story of gays real bros dont get written in history books also youre a gay for noticing and thinking that something so blatant is worth discussing

    its all a larp and a grift enjoy it or dont

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were basically Mexican gangsters in Asia with too much power with no external threats and lack of resources for most other countries to want to invade. If they had to fight China, they would have been annihilated. Kind of like England.Their biggest mistake was never expanding beyond Japan and constant infighting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >chinese martial arts are a joke
      >japanese martial arts and their descendants are a cornerstone respected modern international hand to hand combat
      huh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean your statement is obviously untrue so I assume you’re making some kind of generalization on various periods, but the samurai launched an invasion of Korea in the 1600s, were invaded by the Mongols twice, were vassalized by the Chinese once, and their constant infighting led to them having military equipment and tactics hundreds of years more advanced than several parts of the world including superior firearms and firearm tactics to Europe until about the early 1700s, at which point they were only surpassed by Europe because their constant infighting had stopped which led to one of the most notable examples of military decay in history.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They had no resources, nobody wants to invade a land of insane warrior queers if there is literally nothing to gain. Mongols got wrecked by a storm. Korea was just a bunch of bitches.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are there any bigger cucks in history than korea? They survived almost all their foreign invasions by selling off their women and boys, and now allow themselves to be governed by some illuminati wannabe witch cunts who make fun of tiny penis lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China lost against every foreign army they met for 500 years.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your statement is just so vague and confusing I have no idea what you mean. The samurai composed basically the entirety of the relevant ruling class in Japan from like 1100 to 1863. They united the country, and lead and fought in multiple civil wars and one especially notable foreign invasion before their time ran out. What lies are you even talking about, The samurai were the only relevant political, military, or artistic figures in the entire country for the majority of its recorded history aside from extremely fringe peasant rebellions generally led by discontent Samurai anyways. What are you talking about? Can you give me some examples of falsified samurai achievements?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Your statement is just so vague and confusing I have no idea what you mean. The vatnik composed basically the entirety of the relevant ruling class in Russia from like 1100 to 2023. They united the country, and lead and fought in multiple civil wars and one especially notable foreign invasion before their time ran out. What lies are you even talking about, The vatnik were the only relevant political, military, or artistic figures in the entire country for the majority of its recorded history aside from extremely fringe peasant rebellions generally led by discontent kulak anyways. What are you talking about? Can you give me some examples of falsified vatnik achievements?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What are you talking about? Can you give me some examples of falsified samurai achievements?
      Seconding this. The only "lie" I can think of is the idealization of Bushido, mainly by the later Meiji government (as was already alluded to itt) that was gobbled up by the film industry.

      I mean your statement is obviously untrue so I assume you’re making some kind of generalization on various periods, but the samurai launched an invasion of Korea in the 1600s, were invaded by the Mongols twice, were vassalized by the Chinese once, and their constant infighting led to them having military equipment and tactics hundreds of years more advanced than several parts of the world including superior firearms and firearm tactics to Europe until about the early 1700s, at which point they were only surpassed by Europe because their constant infighting had stopped which led to one of the most notable examples of military decay in history.

      >led to them having military equipment and tactics hundreds of years more advanced than several parts of the world including superior firearms and firearm tactics to Europe until about the early 1700s
      Huh - care to elaborate?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but Japan had the largest manufacturing of arquebuses per capita in Asia, with a similar rate of manufacture to the German states (China manufactured more in-bulk, but only about 30% of the Qing army was equipped as arquebusiers/musketeers). That said the Great Divergence between Europe and the rest of the world doesn't really begin to take-off until the mid-late 18th century and the combination of advanced tactics and more modern artillery being developed in the 7-years war & Napoleonic Wars, and the industrial revolution making the manufacture of these more modern artillery types common is what really establishes the Western military dominance we see in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

        What happens in East Asia is that the Qing unite all of modern China & expand to their height in the mid-1700's under Kangxi & Qianlong, Japan unites in the late 1600's, and then these states turn inward; by the time of the First Opium War, the Qing military was extremely corrupt and underequipped due to nearly a century of uninterrupted peace (and over a century of only localized border conflicts or internal police actions); moreover they didn't fear an attack by sea so much so most of their best troops and non-corrupt officials were elsewhere in the country (during the Second Opium War, some of these troops and a general were rotated into the Taku forts from inner Mongolia and managed to actually drive back a British assault on the forts).
        Pic rel is a Qing dynasty musketeer drawn by the British Embassy during the last years of the Qianlong Emperor's reign (I think so, could be mistaken on the exact date)

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have definitely been overappraised, but people have overcorrected and are now trying to redefine them as murderous terrorizing thugs who kept everyone in line with almost-mythical practices like Tsujigiri.
    They were far less a warrior class than an administrative one.
    It was a reason why the old feudal system fell. By the early Meiji Era, they had ballooned in number where something like 1 in 11 men were samurai. As the power centralized, nobody needed all these administrators taking a cut and reporting to the lord instead of the state. People resented them and it was a big driver towards the pivot to parliamentary democracy and European-style constitutional monarchy.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Samurai as a romanticized honorable warrior concept was resurrected and refined during the Imperial Japanese era, they were a latent, easily accessible propaganda image that all Japanese citizens would understand and could be used as a symbol of distinct Japanese identity and a martial prowess with emphasis on selflessness and discipline.

    Their image had degraded heavily in the centuries beforehand but the propaganda needs of a hardline nationalist movement saw it restored and scrubbed clean of it's association with corruption and cruelty.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >are samurai’s and edo period shogun’s the most retconned warriors in history?

    You see the exact same bullshit with every other warrior caste, including knights. Even here on PrepHole, you have people who fall for the "you need to be trained from childhood to realize your full potential as a soldier" meme and think that the deeds of William Marshall or Chevalier Bayard meant that knights were supersoldiers rather than just people with much better gear than the vast majority of contemporary combatants.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the most retconned warriors in history?
    naw that shit is done as a matter of coming with the territory
    same with knights and chivalry
    the actual knights are just the hired muscle that turned into hereditary titled muscle just like the samurai
    the pope had to come up with the Peace and Truce of God just to *try* and keep those fuckers in line
    A non-zero amount of crusades were cooked up just to give them something to do

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this true of all "warriors"? You create myths and legends and shit like Bushido and Chivilry to make them feel important because you don't want them to suddenly get bored and turn around and steal your shit and rape/kill your own people. LIke Vikings are treated like god tier warriors when they were opportunistic thieves who attacked defenseless villages to steal their shit.

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