SAAB CEO has tapped out

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/saab-ceo-frustrated-at-slow-pace-of-gripen-sales
>Saab's president and CEO, Micael Johansson, has told reporters of his ‘extreme frustration' at the lack of recent sales of the company's Gripen combat aircraft.

>Speaking to Janes and other defence media at the company's Stockholm headquarters on 26 August, Johansson conceded that the single-engined ‘Euro-canard' had struggled to meet the export expectations that his predecessors had laid out for the multirole fighter, saying that this was not a reflection on the quality of the aircraft, but was down to politics.

>“It is extremely frustrating to say the least, and I can say that it is not about the [Gripen] product that we have developed and manufactured. If it had been a completely level playing field in terms of not talking about security, politics, and other areas, then I think we would have been much better off [in terms of securing sales],” Johansson said, adding, “In many countries, the leverage of the US is tremendous. They are not so easy to work against [in the market], and it is politics.”

>Johansson's comments came on the back of a fallow few years in terms of securing additional sales for either its earlier Gripen C/D or its latest Gripen E/F range, with international sales campaigns having scored no successes since Brazil joined the Gripen E/F programme in 2014.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's not wrong. Weapon sales are first and foremost politics and job programs completely independent of the actual product. For some smaller European countries the Swedish plane would have been an affordable and viable alternative.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the Swedish plane would have been an affordable and viable alternative

      Due to economies of scale and increased part production, I believe that the per unit price for the F-35 is now comparable to the Gripen.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sucks to suck, Sven

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lewd

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    good evening
    I hate america and I celebrate its decay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good morning I love America and celebrate the decay of your sad shithole.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        we've survived worse

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good to hear! Get used to it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You look like it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > I love America
        Unless you're some black chud or a garden gnome I don't see why.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good Eveaning!

        I am citizan of proud US of A and I hate the way our country act now. I too celebrate the end of this imperialist system that take from poor countries and destroy innocents peoples. I am from proud county of Floridavski Oblast god is of blessing us here in this place. many fat are the people who live in decadence and the brown and poor peoples live in slum here it is the truth I see with my own eye every day. They hide third world places from many outside of the country just as they hide cemical plant in Ukraine!!! Zelensky and the ZOG militants know this to be true!

        https://i.imgur.com/4BIduSn.png

        Decay?

        https://i.imgur.com/n0c3QEB.jpg

        [...]
        [...]
        You will never be a American. You have no bill of rights, you have no testosterone, you have no gold reserves, you have no appreciation for guns. You are a homosexual landmass twisted by socialism and state run programming into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

        All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Americans mock you. Your parents are disgusted & ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your faggy govt behind closed doors.

        Free Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out tyranny with incredible efficiency. Even democracies who “pass” look uncanny and tyrannical to a man. Your govt structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a pajeet to immigrate, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your lack of freedom & poor debt to GDP ratio.

        You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a leaf, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

        Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a spoon, lay down, and get religion of peace'd. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your colony name and every passerby will know a colony is buried there. Your cities will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a landmass that is unmistakably enslaved.

        This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

        >unironically cites a GNP chart as proof that the US is still a functioning country with a future
        Wew, imagine being paid to post state propaganda on PrepHole.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what country are you from?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The US. Imagine using the "line go up means country more betterer" argument on PrepHole of all places. GTFO shillmoron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The US
              can you post guns?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post yours with timestamp, then I'll happily post mine, fed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's always the same cop out lmao
                i'm sure the feds will arrest you because you have a Glock, fellow ''American''

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You do this same routine over and over again. People reply to you every time with their timestamped guns, but you NEVER reply with your own guns. At best you only post a non-timestamped picture that you stole from someone else several weeks ago. You demand that dissidents post their guns so you can raise their threat score.

                Post yours and I will post mine, noguns.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't own guns, i'm not American although i wish i was

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hello 77th. Have fun with the energy shortages. Your politicians may have sacrificed the stability of your country in exchange for votes from paki refugees, but at least I'm sure the refugees are very grateful for all the free british poon!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >77th
                What? Anyways thanks for proving you're not really American noguns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not posting guns until you post yours, shill.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >two more seasons until europe freeze to death
                >american will collapse in two more weeks
                >calling anyone a shill
                Imagine being so ashamed of your country you larp as a American

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                are you slow?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cearly you must be, retarded shill gay. Post your guns.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                >again

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >fresh off the boat from reddit
                >accuses everyone of being "muh vatniks"
                >can't even prove that he's american, let alone post his guns
                just end your life right now, my dude

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Who are you quoting? Do you even read the posts you reply to in your blind shill rage?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you're a noguns, at least post timestamped proof of nationality. I dare you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i'm not the one claiming to be the american here, you are

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I literally posted timestamped proof you retarded noguns glowmoron shill gay. You have posted NOTHING because you're from a cucked five eyes country where the people aren't even allowed to own guns by their police state. Post your guns and I will post mine. I'm willing to post even more timestamped proof, but you have to play ball.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Actually i don't have guns yet because you can get a license here with 25 years old and i'm 23
                Anyways why do you shill for russia when they crack down on gun rights even harder? And why do you think glowmorons care if you have a glock or not? Doesn't even make any sense and just outs you as a newfag

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Point out a single post in this thread where I said ANYTHING that was pro-russia. Pointing out that the west is being actively destroyed by retarded politicians has literally nothing to do with the russia/ukraine conflict that lives rent free inside your head. You're being paid to post absolutely absurd bullshit propaganda here to cover for their fuckups.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I wish i was getting paid to dunk on you fags, sounds like a cushy job

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I wish i was getting paid to dunk on you fags, sounds like a cushy job

                https://i.imgur.com/LgdWP9b.jpg

                Post guns

                Nice, just a moment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok and?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post guns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't because it's known 4chan is raiding the board 24/7 since the war started, that's why there's some posts supporting the pro-gun control government of Russia

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wew, the blind pro-government chauvinism really gives it away, lad. More like western glowmoron shills descended on PrepHole to fight off the russian glowmoron shills, but then stuck around after the fact to shill domestic politics and keep tabs on dissidents, instead.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No one on PrepHole supports Biden or any anti-gun/leftist politics, despite what you might have seen on 4chan
                It's simply cathartic to see russia failing after years of shilling, if you had been on this board for more than 6 months you would know that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, "anon". Clearly the western information warfare units weren't briefed properly that shilling on PrepHole is different from shilling on reddit, when they first came here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Where is the lie tourist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I've been carefully watching and studying you. You've had to change your initial tactics from the ones you had typically employed on reddit. Instead of shilling for neoliberal values, now you try to appeal to government authoritarianism to reel in what you perceive as "fascist" types (see also: NATO-wave). Also you figured out that PrepHole has an age-based hierarchy, so you try to LARP as oldfags, even though you still demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of board culture.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you figured out that PrepHole has an age-based hierarchy, so you try to LARP as oldfags
                >you demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of board culture
                Literally projection

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cope. Know that what you're doing, to enable the government to control the private political discourse of its citizens, is bringing to the west the same type of authoritarianism that you claim to be fighting. That should scare you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not supporting russia
                not supporting china
                not voting democrat
                sorry tankie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keep trying to change the subject, but remember: the totalitarian police state that your children will have to live under is the one that you're building right now by attempting to control the domestic political discourse.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                FYI, feds are stealing images of people's guns to bait other anons into posting pictures of theirs. That's not his gun and it was originally posted under a different filename.

                https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/k4sf--RNxVDwF1bLxEhm1A/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Really?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, really. You stole that image from here

                [...]

                . You changed the tilde in the filename with an underscore so that people couldn't do a filename search to see that you stole the image.
                >inb4 inspect element

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok bro, everyone but you is a glowmoron
                we're inside your walls btw

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You fucked up and got caught stealing images of other people's guns as your own, fed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ok

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Say hi to the screencap.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're mentally ill

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No timestamp that references my post = not your gun. You newfag fedmorons don't understand the concept of post archives.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/ej9a4QO.png

                Really?

                Oh, i thought you were saying that someone my gun's pic
                Anyways take your medication

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Obsessed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good Eveaning!

      I am citizan of proud US of A and I hate the way our country act now. I too celebrate the end of this imperialist system that take from poor countries and destroy innocents peoples. I am from proud county of Floridavski Oblast god is of blessing us here in this place. many fat are the people who live in decadence and the brown and poor peoples live in slum here it is the truth I see with my own eye every day. They hide third world places from many outside of the country just as they hide cemical plant in Ukraine!!! Zelensky and the ZOG militants know this to be true!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Decay?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well by that time the US will be 90% morons so I believe it

      > I love America
      Unless you're some black chud or a garden gnome I don't see why.

      You will never be a American. You have no bill of rights, you have no testosterone, you have no gold reserves, you have no appreciation for guns. You are a homosexual landmass twisted by socialism and state run programming into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

      All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Americans mock you. Your parents are disgusted & ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your faggy govt behind closed doors.

      Free Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out tyranny with incredible efficiency. Even democracies who “pass” look uncanny and tyrannical to a man. Your govt structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a pajeet to immigrate, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your lack of freedom & poor debt to GDP ratio.

      You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a leaf, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

      Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a spoon, lay down, and get religion of peace'd. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your colony name and every passerby will know a colony is buried there. Your cities will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a landmass that is unmistakably enslaved.

      This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You are a homosexual landmass
        Hmm...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >>You are a homosexual landmass
          Correct, you will also will never be white or own guns

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you will also will never be white
            Hmm...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why are you repeating what i say? Are you slow?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you slow?
                Hmm...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure you do, fatass.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >non-American gymcel spends whole life on the gym and learning martial arts coping because he can't own guns
                >gets killed by a American chad with a gun
                lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nice fatass cope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >nice fata- ACK!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >gets shot
                Honorary American.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/mlU0zvq.jpg

                >non-American gymcel spends whole life on the gym and learning martial arts coping because he can't own guns
                >gets killed by a American chad with a gun
                lmao

                >off duty cop decides to get into a bar fight with a jiu-jitsu legend
                >naturally gets pretzel'd and cries uncle to be let out of it
                >back on his feet now furious AND emasculated, he shoots the guy in the head
                >kick the incapacitated guy you just shot because ???
                >flee the scene like the spineless bitch you are
                Just stop. Even if this happened in America between Americans, that fool isn't seeing daylight again. Competitive sport lost another major name just because some dickhead cop couldn't keep his ego in check, and you're just setting yourself up like some incredibly blind and disgraceful example of American exceptionalism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You realize those shakes were around in the 2000s right? They aren't made anymore, those anons were just shitposting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Plenty of companies sell oreo milkshakes. Burger King sells them too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            America is quite literally the most non white western country right now

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              America is THE only white country in the world right now
              Remember that if you can't own guns you're not a white country

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Brazil must be very white by American standards.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >starts getting some gun rights
                >suddenly whiter than germany
                Makes you ponder

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >European descent
                So we counting 1 drop mutts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not counting partial european descent, it's literally on the picture

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's counting moors so yes it is

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Meds are the coolest europeans

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's a funny way of spelling Britain. Anglos aren't white therefore the country is 95% non-white as opposed to America's 56%.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You will never be a American. You have no bill of rights, you have no testosterone, you have no gold reserves, you have no appreciation for guns. You are a homosexual landmass twisted by socialism and state run programming into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
        >All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Americans mock you. Your parents are disgusted & ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your faggy govt behind closed doors.
        >Free Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolutio-
        >gets shot by a moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just wanted to discuss SAAB and defense aquisition politics why is half of this thread filled with koreaposting

        Pipe down. Let the grown up men discuss.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How does it feel that long after America balkanizes, Lockheed will still be winning contracts internationally far into the future?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Memes aside, there is a better chance that every nation in the world other than the US balkanizes before the the US does, there's always going to be the fringe that talk about this in the US like every other nations but zero chance it ever happens

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      good night
      i too hate america but i celebrate its self-isolation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >night
        eastoid confirmed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >good evening
      >I hate america and I celebrate its decay
      The world laughs at Russians, Communists and their third world dictator serfs delusions

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Time to point and laugh at the dudes who endlessly shilled the Gripen E as par or even superior to 5th gen and ameriburger planes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not claiming gripen is on par or anything like that but the whole article is about how they are not selling due to US political influence not performance issues

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well it is true. Who do you want to be on best boy relations with, the leading military nation or one of the little players? So nations buy American because that also buys a measure of American support. But Sweden doesn't really have the right to complain about that specific issue. For so many years they have been making foreign military sales on the basis of being a neutral player, happily selling to both sides in any given conflict because they could get away with it. Now neutrality don't mean shit anymore because there is only one powerful and wealthy side left in most potential conflicts. It's Sweden who needs to update their selling strategies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gripen is trash. Why would I buy it when I can F35 instead. Politics is pure cope.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are the poor sales of our plane due to the fact that it's an f-16 except worse and more expensive and fifteen years late to market?

    no, it is america to blame.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sucks that Gripen is struggling but I hope that as Sweden is close to joining NATO that they can join the F-35 production club or even one of the other multinational fighter projects.

    Would be a shame to see Sweden's fighter industry die.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Join Team Tempest

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Join Team Tempest

      We're already in tempest, probably to get technologies which can then be spun into
      >Gripen NG
      >FS2020
      Or
      >Tempest variant

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Gripen isn't selling
    Gee, I wonder why.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who buys this does so to transition their pilots to actual fighters like the Fighting Falcon and Gripen.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh trainer
        FA-50 IS a full out fighter and T-50 was designed to serve both roles since its drawing stages. It literally have the same lift and a better payload than the Gripen C (12,000lb>11,700 lb).
        >inb4 muh E/F
        The program cost of Gripen E/F for Brazil was about $0.15 billion per unit and you could actually buy new strike eagles with the same money.
        Pic related shows what kind of weaponry can be integrated onto it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not even the SAAB is proposing Gripen E to its clients. Their latest offer to Malaysia was Gripen C, the older model.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're an actual retard who knows nothing about planes other than basic wikipedia facts if you don't realize the importance of sensors and electronic suites.

          Payload and speed aren't the only metrics to look at concerning jets, moranon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Payload and speed aren't the only metrics to look at concerning jets, moranon
            Another M-346 cope posting.
            Seething harder pastamoron. Your plane can never break the sound barrier or get equipped with a built-in gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, the FA-50 isn't shit anon and you know it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wake up moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So why don't Koreans just scrap all their American fighter jets now they have this fleet of wunderwaffen that should be more affordable for them to maintain?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why don't you scrap all the existing F-16 and F-15 in perfect conditions that literally aren't in the same class?
            What have you been smoking? The ROKAF hasn't even phased out Phantoms yet, because they are so good at simple bomb delivery. Also, the KF-21 is already a few years away from deployment.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So you're saying now that the F/A-50 is a crappier platform than the ancient Phantoms?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So you're saying now that the F/A-50 is a crappier platform than the ancient Phantoms?
                Don't be such ridiculous. FA-50 has orders of magnitude better electronics than the old Phantom but it can't replace its place as a bomb carriage with a max payload of 18,650 lb(9t). Also, South Korea has shit tons of AGM-142 surplus and the Phantom II is the only aircraft that can launch it in air.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So why didn't Korean engineers design the FA-50 to launch that missile instead of forcing the ROKAF to keep the rusting Phantoms on life support? Were they retarded?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the anon you are replying to but at this point its painfully obvious that only the US and SK can produce modern combat jet fighters

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dumbass.

            FA50s replacing F4s/F5s = best 4th gen

            KF21s replacing F16s/F15s = best 4.5 gen

            F35s, more than any other nation other than the US = best (only real) 5th gen

            KF21s block 2s already being developed = other than the US only country that has a real program at anything more than 5th gen

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And that totally contradicts your claim that the FA-50 is better than the Gripen.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >F4s/F5s= best 4th gen
              3rd generation
              And 4.5 gen doesn't exist, it's a meme.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Its a trainer/light attack aircraft, the only excuse to purchase them is if you are dirt poor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's trainer
            >with an aesa radar already on par if not better than the F-16's
            >Aim-120 & Aim-9x integration
            >JDAM and Sniperpod already integrated
            >can carry more than JAS-39C/D
            All of the listed reasons are why your accusation is pointless because it's cheap as fuck and people are buying it as fighters as we speak. There's an interesting story that FA-50 has once fared in a friendly dogfight exercise with the US Navy super hornet.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >with an aesa radar already on par if not better than the F-16's
              Lol
              bro u dumb AF

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shits not even coming from me. Raytheon officials have confirmed this in the latest interview.
                https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/raytheon-unveils-compact-half-priced-gallium-nitride-aesa-radar/145611.article

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Dick Sandfier, strategic pursuits and business creation capture executive at Raytheon Intelligence & Space, claims that his new radar is better than his competitor's
                >this is "confirmation"

                you ought to be whipped

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The FA-50s aesa has one of the lowest T/R module counts out there on par with the Rafale which is extremely limited by the size of the nose. Korea's aesa tech simply isn't there yet. The KF-21 is still up in the air if it would get a Korean or Israeli radar. Israel, the place with literally no aerospace industry is a competitive match for their radars. Even if Korea's radar tech was top of the line it would still be worse than the F-16 simply because of the space available and how big the radar can be. You can have denser arrays like pic rel, but pics of the FA-50 aesa that have popped up show a standard aesa without that efficiency.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >all these non techinal gibberish
                100 yen deposited to your account.
                Also Block 20 will be equipped with a US made radar, currently undergoing competition between phantom strike of Raytheon and SABR of Northrop Grumman, all of which are slated to be equal to or greater than that of F-16.

                https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/raytheon-unveils-compact-half-priced-gallium-nitride-aesa-radar/145611.article
                >Sandfier claims the compact AESA ought to have better performance than the radar installed on the US Air Force’s (USAF) F-16 fleet, the Northrop Grumman SABR APG-83 AESA.

                >“The compact AESA solution draws less power from the platform, which in turn allows for the radar to deliver targeting and tracking capabilities on par, if not better than, the bigger, heavier APG-83 AESA radar,” he says. ”The compact AESA solution has digital beam forming and steering, multimode functionality and interleaved ground and air targeting”.

                >Raytheon’s yet-to-be-named compact AESA radar weighs about 59kg (130lb), about one third as much as radars on sale currently, says Dick Sandfier, strategic pursuits and business creation capture executive at Raytheon Intelligence & Space. The radar is roughly 71 x 37cm (28 x 14.5in) and is air cooled.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Even the radar on the current FA-50 block 10, the EL/M-2032, has been assessed to be better than the AN/APG-68 on older F-16s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The level of cope and made up shit in this post is hilarious

                So an incel like you that has never seen the inside of a fighter jet let alone combat knows better than a nation that is arguably the most vulnerable to Russian invasion? kys gay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nice cope anon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Since korea posters want to get uppity. How is that carrier going for you guys.
                https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/08/cvx-officially-axed-from-south-korean-defense-budget-in-2023/

                >pathetic pencil dick nip poster tries to malign fa-50 with a full-on disinformation effort only to get curbstomped by myriads of fact.
                Does the echo chamber comfort you?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes it is a trainer with upgraded avionics, the airframe is still the airframe. It's slow, unmaneuverable, has a low ceiling and short range.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes it is a trainer with upgraded avionics, the airframe is still the airframe. It's slow, unmaneuverable, has a low ceiling and short range.
                You don't even know what you're saying, literally all of your puny accusations had been fully debunked and proven to be false.
                Here's an actual size comparison between F-16 and FA-50, notice the FA-50's wingspan is as large as F-16's. The Fighting eagle is the true heir of F-20 which had competed with F-16s in the 80s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bro stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Go whine about Japan instead like your fellow Koreans always do, it would be much better for your mental health.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >use actual facts and sheets to refute falseflaggot
                >moron resorts to goal post moving and starts incoherent screeching about muh compensations for koreans getting upitty about Japan
                Why do I feel like I've had the same exact experience before?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >actual facts and sheets
                You posted a fucking drawing of a FA-50 over an F-16, how would anyone know anything about its performance from that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, I merely showed you a 1:1 size comparison between F-16 and FA-50, since you don't have any grasp on why this aircraft is called the poor man's F-16. You could literally go look up the specs from the official manufacturer website right now.(https://koreaaero.tistory.com/m/4)
                Unless you're a literal moron with a single digit iq monkey stop chimping out and do your own research, since it doesn't even take 5 minutes to look it up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >use actual facts and sheets
                Where?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't even know what you're saying, literally all of your puny accusations had been fully debunked and proven to be false.
                Ok prove it to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The airframe is built to withstand high G maneuvers as high as up to 9G

                https://i.imgur.com/4AIg4Yy.jpg

                >use actual facts and sheets to refute falseflaggot
                >moron resorts to goal post moving and starts incoherent screeching about muh compensations for koreans getting upitty about Japan
                Why do I feel like I've had the same exact experience before?

                and a maximum speed of Mach 1.5 is hardly slow since most of the a2a combats happen below mach 1.2. Also it can hit both the same max flight range with a new 300 gallon tank.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And now compare that to a F-16. It's significantly slower, and has a much lower range. Same with the Typhoon and Rafale.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                FA-50 is twice as high fuel efficienct than the F-16 and it's also designed to carry more since the graphite skin on the wing allows it to hold up to 9 tons of payload, but then the thrust to weight coefficiency will suffer which ultimately locked it down to 5.5t. Nonetheless, it's still as good as Gripen C.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >is twice as high fuel efficienct than the F-16
                ESL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a fucking typo is the best counterargument he's got so far
                Squid game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the graphite skin on the wing allows it to hold up to 9 tons of payload
                Empty weight: 6,470 kg (14,264 lb)
                Max takeoff weight: 12,300 kg (27,117 lb)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://koreaaero.tistory.com/m/4
                >from the official KAI website
                >FA-50 armed attack aircraft LA (Light Attack)
                >Number of crew
                >2 people
                >main wing retraction
                >35 degrees (supersonic design)
                >wing area
                >23.69 square meters
                >empty weight
                >6.454 tons (= internal fuel 2.45+ 6.454)
                >Minimum take-off weight(clean)
                >13.5 tons (armed 4.53 + 8.9)
                >internal fuel
                >2.5 tons
                >engine
                >General Electric F404-GE-102
                >thrust
                >8.04 tons
                >top speed
                >Mach 1.5+
                >Gravity Acceleration Allowance
                >-3 ~ 8.3G (turning gravity 6.5G)
                >continuous turn rate
                >14.5 degrees/s (15,000ft EM chart), close to F-16
                >ascent rate
                >2070m/min
                >practical rise limit
                >14.8km (48,500ft) / 55,000ft with afterburner
                >stall speed
                >105KTS (195km/h) - 220km/h for A-10A
                >take-off/landing runway
                >345m / 707m
                >cruising distance
                >Range 1000nm (internal fuel) / Maximum range 1400nm (external fuel tank, operating radius)
                >444km (230nm, center fuel tank + AIM-9(2)+AGM65(2))
                >vehicle life
                >8,000 hours
                >armed
                >external fuel tank
                >150 gal*3
                >gun
                >20mm internal machine gun (205 rounds)
                >air-to-air missile
                >AIM-9L (short-range missile)
                >bomb
                >JDAM (500lbs)3 shots
                >radar
                >Elta Mechanical EL/M-2032
                >Armed Point
                >7 places (lbs*2/1600 lbs*2/2700 lbs*3)
                >Maximum External Payload
                >12,000lbs (Design Allowable Load 20,000lbs)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >12,000lbs = 5443.1084 kg
                Your point?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                none, he's just reposting numbers and parroting catalogue specs and blurbs without understanding shit, just like the rest of his rambling here

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >source is literally from the manufacturer webpage
                >i-it's all false
                Not an argument. Also quit samefagging and being in denial.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Everyone who recognises the FA-50 is a trainer with upgraded avionics is a samefag

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >F-35 has a built-in flight simulator, so it's a trainer.
                This is the level of argument you are exerting at the moment.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The wing itself is designed with a growth potential of being able to safely carry as much payload until 20,000 lb(9t). Since this isn't the first time they've reinforced the wing, it wouldn't be too hard for them to pull off its full potential while also replacing the current F404 with F414.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >F-16's. The Fighting eagle is the true heir of F-20
                Anon, I think you are confusing F-16 Falcons with F-15 Eagles

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a moniker for the aircraft
                T-50: Golden eagle.
                FA-50: Fighting eagle.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Still better than anything coming out of europe let alone sweden

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But it isn't?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Burger planes could ruin countries just while the pilots are exercising

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it
      what reason is your picture illustrating?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like you need to offer better product, price or everything surrounding it. Or preferably, everything above. You're not entitled to sales, Sven.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >4x RBS15 on one Gripen
    could basically thwart a Russian amphibious attack of the Baltic fleet with this one plane

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That isn’t impressive at all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I could get up on a hill with a 10/22 and thwart a Russian amphibious invasion

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >saying that this was not a reflection on the quality of the aircraft, but was down to politics.
    lmao

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its 2022 why are you still making multi-memes?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You buy american stealth fighters, don't even need to use them.
    If Russia ever attack, the US will come bail you out and fight your war to avoid the stealth technology getting into russian hands.
    t. Finland

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      or glowies quietly blows up your planes

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a bitch, complaining that a superior market force with a superior product took his buyers. Something tells me he always got participation and attendance awards in school and nothing else. Maybe next time try and make something that isn't out of date the second it takes off, or if you are at least make it cheap and offer some good benefits. Worst Koreans show that you can develop a 4th gen that can sell in this market

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's just the reality that a small nation can not cost effectively make competitive jets. Hard to beat the mass production inertia that the F-35 has. Lockheeb is producing ~150 F-35 every year for however many years into the future. That might be more than the entire production run of the new Gripen even if they get some export deals. And when so many nations are buying the F-35 you are guaranteed to have spare parts and software/hardware upgrades available for the foreseeable future. But it is kind of sad to see the variety slowly disappear. Competition is always good.

      It can barely be called Swedish made.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        USA, USA, USA!!! To be fair it is a Swedish design.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's just the reality that a small nation can not cost effectively make competitive jets. Hard to beat the mass production inertia that the F-35 has. Lockheeb is producing ~150 F-35 every year for however many years into the future. That might be more than the entire production run of the new Gripen even if they get some export deals. And when so many nations are buying the F-35 you are guaranteed to have spare parts and software/hardware upgrades available for the foreseeable future. But it is kind of sad to see the variety slowly disappear. Competition is always good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hard to beat the mass production inertia that the F-35 has.

      F-35 sells on bribes, not its own merits, that aircraft has to be taken to a special depot to be serviced.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      F-35 parts and shit might be available but I can bet my left nut lockgarden gnome will make spare parts overpriced anyways.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If it had been a completely level playing field in terms of not talking about security, politics, and other areas
    Sounds like cope.
    >“In many countries, the leverage of the US is tremendous. They are not so easy to work against [in the market], and it is politics.”
    This is definitely seethe.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Volvo sucks. SAAB sucks. Swedish manufacturing is a joke.

    t. Swede

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You just bought into the meme that corruption and bribery is wrong in arms dealing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How can you say your product is superior to the US's, when you have to use majority US components?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, SAAB is the epitome of corrupt organization. Remember the Swiss bidding scandal?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Every military contractor is the epitome of corruption. The diffrence is that american companies get huge gibs from US goverment first and then bribe foreign goverments once they have leeched enough money from the american tax payers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I love volvo cars, why the hate?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What are your thoughts on swedish motorcycles?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Around 2000, CZ needed new jet planes and the only one that met the criteria (aside from old migs) were gripens
    knowing this, Saab proceeded to jump the price as high as possible, knowing they will get the sale no matter what
    No wonder CZ refused to prolong the contract for 2027 and turned to F35 instead

    Saab has good planes but the politics truly is their problem, but it is not one sided

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao, the gripen is like the worst of both worlds when it comes to competing with the US thanks to being filled with ITAR components.
    If your target is a US friendly country, they'll get the US jet.
    If your target is a US non-friendly country, the US will block the sale.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >R&D mogged
    >talent mogged
    >funding mogged
    >profit mogged
    >export mogged
    >production mogged
    >manufacturing mogged
    >popularity mogged
    >hair mogged
    >powerlevel mogged
    >absolutley SEETHING
    its fucking over for SAABlets

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno. Soon, if all goes well, Sweden will be an actual NATO member and that might make them more interesting for some customers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They have two ways to go afterwards. Integrate with the US MIC like BAE did. Or go the way of the French, stubbornly cling to independence and have to resort to selling weapons to nations that will inevitably attack either them or their allies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Swedish MIC already sells stuff to the USA plenty. They've even eyed Archer recently.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    blame america
    every gripen sales have been mogged by ancient f16

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i just like the it looks
    It's not fair bros

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really like the Gripen and PrepHole shitting on it is retarded, but it's not really surprising it's hard/impossible to compete with the US MIC.
    It would probably sell like crazy if they would dare to offer it to countries like Iran and China

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >PrepHole
      chill, it's just some moron shilling his shitty trainer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gripen is a decent little plane, but it costs too much for what it is. If you want cutting-edge capability, you buy F-35. If you want a 4.5th gen luxury option, F-15. If you're shopping more down-market, F-16 is as common as dirt and so are the people that can fly them and work on them. A tiny European country is never going to compete with American logistics and economies of scale, and they can't compete on tech either - don't take my word for it, see who manufactures what parts. Gripen is just too late to market, and this seething and failure to cope makes them look silly.

      If they would dare to offer it to countries like Iran and China, they'd have to re-do the plane, since over half of it is American and we're not going to allow the Swedes to sell to our enemies.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Saab got the chance to send Gripen to Ukraine, but Swedes were afraid of Putin's reaction, and now Ukrainians are already training on F-15s and F-16s

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      potential gripen customers are (likely) allies with russia so that would not work

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, most potential Gripen customers are operators of old western aircraft like the F-5.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Gripen could not even stop one of the millions of Africans from invading and making Sweden the rape capital of Europe. Who wants a cuck plane?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sometimes I wonder what special kind of retard writes shitposts like this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        /pol/tards

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thanks for bringing up 4chan in every post, you're actively contributing to shitting up this board

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        botfarms in somalia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        botfarms in somalia

        Butthurt by the truth.

        Sweden if far too cucked to supply weapons to countries that actually need to use them, like the Germans tried their bast to block their own sales of tanks to turkey the moment they were used in combat.

        Sweden has been run by feminist and super liberals for a couple of decades now. Can't do weapons deals with a country like that unless you want just something for a parade.

        And if you just need something for a parade people can buy the Italian jet trainer plane.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lol saab trying to use the same playbook as china stealing tech from US, sweden trying to jump ahead by trying to steal SK tech

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why is this SK schizo in every jet thread nowadays? I can't wait for Nipponbritish 6th gen to really squeeze you for salt.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's armatard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lmfao, its going to be 2050+ before the two island midgets get anywhere near operational 6th gen, by that time the US and SK will be at 8th or 9th gen without exaggeration, go back to cum guzzling gay its the only thing you really know about lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >SK numba one
          >Unironically thinking a smaller country than Japan could match 300mil americans by itself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lol SK would completely steamroll japan and its not even close, keep in mind when japan colonized korea there were something like 7 million koreans both north and south and 70+ million japanese and even then it was an annexation as there was no combat since a lot of korean elites supported this + japan considered korea the same peoples, comparing a korean to a japanese is like comparing a german to an indian, taller, higher iq, more unified, far more aggressive/martial spirit, everybody in the world and especially in asia knows this, do you think 1+ billion chinese could stop 70+ million japanese? did not work out so well for the chinese before, could you imagine if it was SK that wanted to sperged out? Fortunately they are more civilized and focused on defense, lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Holy cope, no wonder Futaba channel makes fun of you

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Think the good doctor accidentally took a knife too close to your brain during one of your plastic surgeries,Mr. Song

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The best universities in South Korea today were founded by Japan. The first leaders of South Korea were Japanese educated (Japan also destroyed the old Korean feudal system, introduced public education and permitted girls to attend school). The Japanese brought running water and electricity to the country, which had been intermittently a backwater hermit kingdom or chinese vassal over the centuries. The Japanese occupation was harsh yes, but to say that Korea was even remotely on par with Japan or even turn of the century China is blindingly arrogant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So what? Japan was colonized by Koreans a few thousand years ago, the original natives of Japan were the 4 foot tall ainus and ryukyuans. Nobody gives a fuck about anything other than today and the future.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well by that time the US will be 90% morons so I believe it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      swed
      en dindu nuffin

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >its politics!
    >Gripen has supposedly lower operating costs than the F-16
    >when the F-16 has dozens of manufacturers for all its spare parts around the globe
    >every issue has been ironed out
    >can go anywhere and find people that know how to maintain it
    >almost every country is capable of making upgrade kits for it
    >vs having to go to Sweden for everything with the gripen
    >now thef-16 replacement is out

    Its a nice jet but showed up 25 years too late

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, Gripen was designed to succeed Viggen which was just designed to fight Soviets in Sweden, by the time Gripen was finished the Soviet Union imploded and the demand by the Swedish govt for a new plane wasn't there.
      So no 5th gen or better design was really made or had any demand from the state, and there's still the hurdle of being a small country population wise.
      Sweden's jets mostly resulted from its neutrality. Gripen will probably be replaced by a future 6th gen that I'd wager SAAB collabrates on way down the line.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Or the 6th gen will be similar to the Gripen in that it's cobbled together from existing 6th gen tech and some Swedish stuff
        But tl;dr Gripen never had export in mind originally

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They could have sold it to Poland.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with Gripen is that it is a 50 cc hot rodded moped trying to compete with 125-250 cc motorbikes. It is simply too small. When a country buys a new aircraft, it buys a certain number, and intend to use these aircrafts for 30-40 years. With this in mind, that country's airforce will go for the biggest, most powerful fighter it can get. The moped Gripen simply cant compete with motorcycles.

    The choice of using american IP in the fighter (bad idea always) was another bad idea. The Gripen consortium consisted of people with a background in economics and capital management, not engineers, so they just picked an engine off shelf and had their techs tinker a bit with it, but its that engine that fucks up their ability to sell abroad. Aaaaand the funniest thing is that this shitty small engine that makes Gripen so gimped.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tldr

      The problem with the gripen is it sucks

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The F-35 is far better and even a tiny bit cheaper to operate overall. No politics needed to choose the winner.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/mc9drVG.jpg

      This plane would have been amazing in the 90s, going up against a 5th gen with better support and industrial capacity behind it is a death sentence in the 2020s.

      Even against F16s, F18s and F15s the SAAB just isn't that amazing, it does nothing these legacy fighters can't do and they do it at a cheaper price with a gajillion spare parts out there in the market.

      Why NATO Aspirant Sweden Has Failed To Sell Its Deadly Gripen Fighter Jets To The World

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >makes a weapon system specifically for Swedish conditions
    >complains they don't sell enough abroad

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What’s with the new SK shillctrying do hard to hype mediocre SK products

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because FA-50 chad has been eating up all of its market literally. It's the new freedom fighter of this era.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I see the same thing with the k2. Only 200 k2 have ever been produced and some of these shills claim thousands

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The difference is the FA50 is not even considered an advanced jet fighter in SK, in SK it is actually considered a trainer that surpisingly happened to be better than other non-US jet fighters, but the K2 is a different beast, its designed to be the best (and most expensive) mbt on the planet and its not even close, most advanced fcs in the world + 10km main gun range with greater kinetic force than any other mbt (vs 5km with lower kinetic force on the M1A2 sep3), can operate under and over water, can target most vulnerable spots and hit targets even on top or behind, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            K2 has a shit engine and weak side armor. It’s designed for korean use. The theory is that it would have mountains on both flanks and only engage from the front. Not a good choice for most nations. No one considers it the most advanced tank in the world

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              K2 engine produces 1500 hp, same as M1A2sep3 + K2 has better acceleration

              The armor is better on M1A2sep3 but K2 uses mmc instead of depleted uranium, mmc is far superior and can be easily upgraded for flat terrains to provide better side armor than the M1s, see K2PL

              Everybody considers K2 the best and its not even close, that's why they despite costing the most they are selling better more the M1s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No the abrams has a much more powerful engine and much better armor. It also has better gunner and commander sights and the most advanced FCS. Korea is way behind

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They both produce 1500hp brainlet quit making shit up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Koreas tank has only been shown to produce 1200hp. It’s not my fault you blindly swallow Wikipedia stats. There’s a reason so few K2s have been produced/bought

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your thinking of the K1s dumbass

                Explain why a K2 costs $10+ million per unit compared to an M1 at $8 million per unit? The other nations like france, uk, israel sell their mbts at less than $5 million per unit and nobody buys it still, the chinese and russian tanks are probably around $1 million per unit or less on the western market

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                These trolls just make stuff up turning /k into /tv

                Everybody knows the K2 has the best mbt engine in the real world

                http://www.military-today.com/tanks/k2_black_panther_mbt.htm

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >/k
                >/tv
                I hate tourists so much.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No one believes you or takes military-today seriously

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > said the gay deluding himself that if he whines enough somebody will believe his bullshit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That’s SK fag. No one really takes SK seriously

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the anon you are replying to but I wish my country would be more like south korea at least with respect to the military

                t. japanese

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Same sushibro

                t. german

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are the anon I’m replying to. It’s sad that you had to lie like to to attempt to give credence to the SK military.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the anon you are replying to but I’m South Korean and I know that our military is garbage. I understand that our might stems from Wikipedia and shills on the internet.

                t. worst korean

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                These trolls are ruining this board, South Korea has some of the best stuff today no idea why these trolls are so butthurt about it

                t. former US navy seal, 7 tours

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also, m1 requires a crew of 4 literally 1950s tech with a soldier loading rounds, k2 has autoloader with a crew of 3

                The the biggest difference and why the K2 costs a lot more than the M1 is that it has a main gun range of 10km with greater kinetic force compared to the M1 with a range of 5km (the sep3, the other M1s have a range of 3km) with lower kinetic force

                How long does it take an M1 to close a 5km distance over terrain and can they dodge rounds the entire time as they try to close the distance gap? lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It’s better to have a loader. 1 more crew member to help with maintenance, security, and turret watch. Plus Autoloaders are inherently more likely to cause a catastrophic kill the tank is penetrated. Auto loaders are also another failure point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                LOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL, obvious as obvious this gay never been in combat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And how much tank combat have you seen? I have deployed to afghanistan with LAVs and the more people on the crew the better when it comes to maintenance and standing watch

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody believes you gay go back to getting for "boihole" stuff its the only thing you know about homo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This means I win the argument. I’ll take your concession graciously. It was funny how you attempted to claim combat experience to back up your argument but failed

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keep telling yourself that cocksucker while you get your head bashed in lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >le argument
                you're a fucking retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok then why not have a crew of 15 guys crammed in there to be loaders, even better if some of them get tired or injured correct?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Ok then why not have a crew of 15 guys crammed in there to be loaders
                They simply won’t fit and it’s a 1 man job

                Not the anon you are responding to but if you have to ask for a source for something like that just get the fuck off this board

                Thank you for showing that you cannot provide sources for your claims

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This guy has clearly never been in real combat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This isn’t an argument. I was talking about the value of an added crew member and you had to cope about combat that you’ve never seen. For those of us that have any military training at all we understand the value of an added crew member

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No the abrams has a much more powerful engine and much better armor.
                >Honeywell AGT1500: Engine output peaks at 1,500hp (1,120 kW), with 2750 lb-ft (3728.5 Nm) of torque at that peak,[2] which occurs at 3000 rpm.
                >Hyundai Doosan Infracore DV27K 4-long stroke, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel, dry weight: 2550 kg
                1,500 hp (1,110 kW)
                The Abrams doesn't have a much edge over K2 in terms of maneuverability.
                >it also has better gunner and commander sights and the most advanced FCS. Korea is way behind
                Abrams hasn't even got auto target tracking which has been a default in K2 since it entered service.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Abrams hasn't even got auto target tracking
                Lmao provide source please

                https://i.imgur.com/TGNIdDf.jpg

                Your thinking of the K1s dumbass

                Explain why a K2 costs $10+ million per unit compared to an M1 at $8 million per unit? The other nations like france, uk, israel sell their mbts at less than $5 million per unit and nobody buys it still, the chinese and russian tanks are probably around $1 million per unit or less on the western market

                > Explain why a K2 costs $10+ million per unit compared to an M1 at $8 million per unit?
                K2s have are a low production run tank. Of course the tank with 10,000 units is going to be cheaper, even though it’s better

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the anon you are responding to but if you have to ask for a source for something like that just get the fuck off this board

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There are currently 260 K2 produced and 363 ordered, that's already 623 tanks in total. The very reason why they're able to deliver the first 180 tanks to Poland in such a short period of time is because there were Korean military orders that had already been placed and went into production.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s not a lot of tanks at all.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              List a western country that currently produces that many tanks a year.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How many does SK produce a year though? 260 over 15 years isn’t very good

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >How many does SK produce a year though? 260 over 15 years isn’t very good
                That's because they weren't produced across consecutive years. First delivery was made in 2014.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yea that’s not a lot at all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                260 over 8 years is only 32 tanks a year. That’s next to nothing

                Ok, let me know if you've got an alternative.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                260 over 8 years is only 32 tanks a year. That’s next to nothing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Name all of the countries that have done better over the past 15 years, protip you can't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This, the anon you are replying to is a dumbass that has probably never seen a day of combat

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              How many does SK produce a year though? 260 over 15 years isn’t very good

              Yea that’s not a lot at all.

              260 over 8 years is only 32 tanks a year. That’s next to nothing

              Are you not understanding what he wrote or just conveniently undermining the true meaning of his saying? The biggest advantage of K2 is that it's got an active production line, and it means it has preserved much of the supply chain needed for the production of a tank during peace time, so that they can later ramp up production in an emergency. Not many country is possible to do this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >freedom fighter of this era
        a piece of shit plane for corrupt shithole countries?

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We tried it but the F-35 is better, sucks to suck swedoids
    t. Finland

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    4th gen fighters have become useless, cope and seethe.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He isnt wrong that arms sales are VERY political in fact many times politics first and the product being secondary.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >B-buy our Gripens you racists!

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >another plane thread of retards arguing about fa50
    literally every fucking thread

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just wanted to discuss SAAB and defense aquisition politics why is half of this thread filled with koreaposting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Koreaboo vs Trolls
      Neither side can stop responding, both sides are retarded.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If this means anything, the FA-50 is fine for its job, a fantastic transitional aircraft tjat suits our current needs until we can finally buy a proper fighter aircraft. I'm just happy we have a supersonic aircraft again.
        >T.Flip

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I think FA-50 is fine for what it is. Koreaboos just need to stop responding to trolls.
          t. burger

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        True, but the koreaboos at least are gloating due to their real success and facts, the trolls are just butthurt that whoever they support are glorified thirdies at this point

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >if you don't sell cheap weapons to the Philippines you are third world
          What

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    she wins again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I miss flight high school....
      But for reals, if any cunt wants a light weight fighter they would either.
      >Western aligned, would go for the F/A-50.
      >Eastern aligned, would go for the JF-17
      I mean why go for the Gripen NG, when the F-16 exists which btfos it in maturity and abundance of airframes/parts.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Sweden sell them to the YPG since they love them so much??

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What do you want the CEO to say? "My company can’t compete with a 5th gen product by a defense giant"? Of course not. So it’s going to be about playing fields and politics. And it’s a high-tech plane, you can’t just sell it for peanuts; its r&d has to be paid for. The high quality workforce building them has to be paid for. It sucks that they made such a good plane just to have it fail in the market simply because it came out at the same time as a 5th gen hit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You know what else they could also do? They could just find another niche to fill. Other 4th gens still managed to get foreign sales despite the F-35 being on sale.

      What truly doomed Gripen's sale is it's mediocre. An expensive, mediocre fighter. If you wanted a cheap and/or light fighter, buy FA-50, Tejas and JF-17. Want something meatier? Get the Falcon and Super Hornet if you are friend with America, Rafale if you don't want American stuffs but still want Western gibs or J-10 if you had to. If you want heavyweight fighter, there's the Eagle and various Flankers available. If you can afford it, get the F-35. Want independent 5th gen options? Get KF-21 when it on sale or join in various nations' programs.

      What Gripen offers that others couldn't?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Want independent 5th gen options? Get KF-21
        You know America can and will block sales if anyone unfriendly to the US tries to buy it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn’t the KF-21 use American engines? It also doesn’t have an internal weapons bay

          Which is why I also add the "join in various nations' programs" part. Now that I remembered it, China also has the FC-31 promoted for foreign sales as well. As for the internal bays, current version of KF-21 doesn't have it yet, but Block II will have it as standard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Implessive

            Lol everybody knows chinese made is garbage their "5th" gen would get blown out of the sky by a single squadron of F16s or F15s

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, but if you can't even touch Western equipments what choice do you have?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Stop being a durka or a zoo-animal-eating fag commie and then buy western stuff.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously if the best western equipment is not available countries should just by dassault, somehow they sell to everybody willing to buy it even quasi-terrorist groups in ss africa and middle east, used to be that countries that can't get the real stuff had to buy russian but these days russian equipment is almost as bad as chinese effectively not useable in a real combat scenario

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To clarify no modern nation other than france uses dassaults, its stereotyped as the definition of thirdie aspirational equipment at this point

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yup, even Argentina was blocked from buying FA50s, the reason why India buys mirages and rafales is they can't even get F16s

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Aren't Lockheed Martin not only offering India the F-21 (rebranded F-16) but also technology transfer and the know-how to produce it?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Possibly now that the F16s are largely obsolete, the gauge of how close an ally can be measured by what jet fighters they are permitted to acquire

              F22 (best available): US only
              F35 (next best available): only closest allies, with the closest allies already having operational F35s and the next closest allies have F35s on order
              F15 (close ally but not quite in the inner circle): allies but not fully trustable
              F16 (allies but barely): unstable government, can't be trusted with 1st, 2nd or 3rd best tier stuff
              F4/F5 (allies but need to be kept on a leash in some form): can't even be trusted to be responsible with F16s which is three tiers removed the best available

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn’t the KF-21 use American engines? It also doesn’t have an internal weapons bay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > If you can afford it, get the F-35. Want independent 5th gen options? Get KF-21 when it on sale or join in various nations' programs.

        Maybe, but the F35A is $65 million per unit, the KF21 is estimated to cost $60 million per unit...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, it's mostly for countries America is cool with but not cool enough to have F-35

          >KF-21
          >5th gen
          >external weapons
          It's a good plane anon but come on

          Block II my bro

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >KF-21
        >5th gen
        >external weapons
        It's a good plane anon but come on

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Leave it to the South Korean nerd to shit up a completely unrelated thread.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >someone mentions about FA-50
    >some nip poster barges in and goes on about how they've treated well of the koreans during the colonial times while throwing in some pics related to their historical disputes with Korea.
    >thread immediately turns into a hodgepodge of political brawl
    Why would they do this?

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they dump those gripens into Ukraine?
    Free marketing and getting used against their intented target.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It has nothing to do with politics.
    The newer Gripens cost as much as an F-35, Eurofighter, or Rafale while being less capable.
    There is no reason to buy it unless you really like Sweden.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Johansson said, adding, “In many countries, the leverage of the US is tremendous. They are not so easy to work against [in the market], and it is politics.”
    That happened to the brazilian tank too. Atleast the brazilians decided to buy gripens instead of american toys.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Since korea posters want to get uppity. How is that carrier going for you guys.
    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/08/cvx-officially-axed-from-south-korean-defense-budget-in-2023/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dumbass detected. SK just announced a record defense budget larger than Japan, France, etc. They are going to evaluate whether to developed an aircraft carrier (which costs a lot more) or just buy it and are prioritizing the record defense budget towards nuclear subs, hypersonics, ai stealth drones, kf21s, more F35 purchases (already the largest number in the world outside the US), and more K2 black panthers among others

      Seethe and dilate gay lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good, honestly. From the outset the project was a retarded compensation meme started by Moon's administration because Japan was converting the Kaga and Izumo to lightning carriers, there is no practical need for a carrier in Korea's current strategy or geopolitical position. Wondering how long it'll take before Moon is being investigated for some stupid shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SK has the same helicopter carriers that Japan converted to aircraft carriers, but the controversy was that Moon wanted to develop a proper aircraft carrier instead of either converting the existing helicopter carriers or buying from the US, SK government confirmed they need an aircraft carrier but need to assess whether to develop, buy or convert helicarriers in order to prioritize other systems to include nuclear subs...

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokdo-class_amphibious_assault_ship

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Dokdos are nice ships from the little I saw on a visit, I think the issue with converting them to 35 carriers would be the same worry the USN has with their lightning carrier LHD concept in that they're diesel powered landing ships with well decks, and as such not particularly fast and that is a lot of missions to stuff into one ship. The Izumos by comparison are a comically large destroyer hullform complete with hull mounted sonar and COGAG propulsion, the narrow beam of which will no doubt limit hangar space but provides speed. It'll also bring the limitation of having to choose between missions (asw vice full carrier) so I guess I can see where the koreans are coming from with the idea of dropping the extra dough to just have a ship for each role.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          South Korea absolutely does not have the same level. The 27,000t, 248m Izumo's are basically the minimum size to operate F-35s and Kaga is currently having a bow extension
          to help. The Dokdo's are only 19,500 and 199m which isn't even close to operating F-35s and are closer to Japan's smaller Hyuga class which are remaining helicopter ASW platforms.
          Korea actually did announce they were going to convert the Dokdo's literally the day after a possible Izumo conversion was leaked only to have to immediately backpedal after wasting a
          bunch of money on a public tender study to show they were missing 50m and 8,000t of displacement.

          The Dokdos are nice ships from the little I saw on a visit, I think the issue with converting them to 35 carriers would be the same worry the USN has with their lightning carrier LHD concept in that they're diesel powered landing ships with well decks, and as such not particularly fast and that is a lot of missions to stuff into one ship. The Izumos by comparison are a comically large destroyer hullform complete with hull mounted sonar and COGAG propulsion, the narrow beam of which will no doubt limit hangar space but provides speed. It'll also bring the limitation of having to choose between missions (asw vice full carrier) so I guess I can see where the koreans are coming from with the idea of dropping the extra dough to just have a ship for each role.

          > the narrow beam of which will no doubt limit hangar space but provides speed.
          At first people thought that they would just have just the deck reshaped, but both Izumo's are having their bow sliced off and replaced to increase hanger space. Stuff at and below the water line seems to remain intact.

          ?t=69
          >It'll also bring the limitation of having to choose between missions (asw vice full carrier)
          Even after converting the Izumo and Kaga Japan has 2 more purely for ASW work in the form of Ise and Hyuga.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Damn that really is an extensive rebuild they're doing, can't wait to see the finished product.
            I always had the feeling that the Izumos were destined to be "totally not carriers" considering they forwent VLS such as carried on the Hyugas

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is the perfect fighter for Ukraine.

    The F-16 is the better plane in all ways, but in the context of use and deployment the Gripen should be what is sent.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guess they shouldn't have sold off the auto branch.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It honestly hurts my soul. I did part of my high school electrician practical training at ye olde SAAB factory just a couple of years before they shut down. The first car I ever "drove" was a beat to shit SAAB 96 I worked the steering wheel of while my dad worked the pedals since I couldn't reach. At least we have the arms part of SAAB still living on.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This plane would have been amazing in the 90s, going up against a 5th gen with better support and industrial capacity behind it is a death sentence in the 2020s.

    Even against F16s, F18s and F15s the SAAB just isn't that amazing, it does nothing these legacy fighters can't do and they do it at a cheaper price with a gajillion spare parts out there in the market.

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