Train-anons, are these things on trains because they're too heavy to go on roads/be self driven, or because they're too bulky for normal roads? I'm seeing some stats of 50 tons for a S-300 TEL and something like a 4 meter width, that sounds like too much for a highway to me but I'm not sure.
just easier to ship them all on a train since they big and awkward, but not anywhere near as heavy as the real things.
They're being shipped to europe so a train will be able to bring right to a port for loading onto a boat
I know this is a shitpost but when you're dealing with high quality ISR the enemy can and will pick out small details of a decoy and distinguish them from real vehicles. I've seen rumors/suggestions that the F-35 is capable of doing this via SAR automatically even.
Honestly if this was dressed up all nice with camo nets and you were looking at it through binoculars from a km away you could absolutely think it's a real launcher. This goes way past the level of "15 meter long object in SAM layout, it's 2 am and storming this is the best we've got just hit it" to actually tricking special forces sitting a few hundred meters away from the thing.
I'm curious how much this cost and who made it. Really neat, do you think they make the same for western vehicles?
Since it's not in a crate, it's probably made of plywood or something. It's just big.
Since most of the weight of the real thing would be in the missiles and such, wouldn't it be better to just make it out of sheet metal with a bit of wood on the inside so it at least shows up similar on radar?
just easier to ship them all on a train since they big and awkward, but not anywhere near as heavy as the real things.
They're being shipped to europe so a train will be able to bring right to a port for loading onto a boat
Makes sense actually. I've seen them shut down roads for Falcon 9 transport and get huge coverage of it so I can see why they'd want to just put this on a train and get it to a port ASAP. Any estimate you have on the weight? Like what's the max load of one of these rail cars?
>Any estimate you have on the weight?
if it's anything like the T-72 and BMP target/decoy from a couple years ago they're actually pretty light because they focus more on the visual and thermal signature. >Like what's the max load of one of these rail cars?
over a 100 tons is fairly standard
Criminal deception, another gnomish trick by those who are not brave enough to show what they've got and fight like a man. Probably there are some international rules that prohibit this, but the west of course doesn't care.
why are they even bothering, Russians can't hit them anyway. They should make decoys of children's school buses instead, those might actually draw vatnik fire.
They are running low on AA, yes. Missiles more than anything else, but they can't afford to lose too many S-300s and Tors either. It's probably their biggest concern now that the tank and IFV situation is a bit better
if they are going to ranges they aren't supposed to be shot at. they're purpose is target recognition for the pilots. some of them do have threat emitters which will get used with smokey sams occasionally also
Seems weird to bother with these things since the Russians have apparently demonstrated no ability to hit anything accurately a few miles past the front lines. Perhaps they're going to be used for an exercise instead?
damn shit looks detailed as fuck
are they self propelled?
They look to be mounted on flatbed trailers.
>detailed as fuck
You'd be surprised to find that they contain more operational parts than the actual soviet units.
They don't look poorly maintained, it will never fool anybody.
Have you seen Russian camera footage? Everything looks poorly maintained when everything is filmed in 240p
They're probably more combat effective than the real ones
Train-anons, are these things on trains because they're too heavy to go on roads/be self driven, or because they're too bulky for normal roads? I'm seeing some stats of 50 tons for a S-300 TEL and something like a 4 meter width, that sounds like too much for a highway to me but I'm not sure.
Since it's not in a crate, it's probably made of plywood or something. It's just big.
just easier to ship them all on a train since they big and awkward, but not anywhere near as heavy as the real things.
They're being shipped to europe so a train will be able to bring right to a port for loading onto a boat
These decoys look unnecessarily expensive.
lmao, Americans and their bloated defense budget...
>noooo your decoys look to good
unironically at some point USA could just make patriots more cheaply instead of setting up a manufacturing & logistics chain for S-300 decoys
Fucking HATO black magic
I know this is a shitpost but when you're dealing with high quality ISR the enemy can and will pick out small details of a decoy and distinguish them from real vehicles. I've seen rumors/suggestions that the F-35 is capable of doing this via SAR automatically even.
Honestly if this was dressed up all nice with camo nets and you were looking at it through binoculars from a km away you could absolutely think it's a real launcher. This goes way past the level of "15 meter long object in SAM layout, it's 2 am and storming this is the best we've got just hit it" to actually tricking special forces sitting a few hundred meters away from the thing.
I'm curious how much this cost and who made it. Really neat, do you think they make the same for western vehicles?
Since most of the weight of the real thing would be in the missiles and such, wouldn't it be better to just make it out of sheet metal with a bit of wood on the inside so it at least shows up similar on radar?
Makes sense actually. I've seen them shut down roads for Falcon 9 transport and get huge coverage of it so I can see why they'd want to just put this on a train and get it to a port ASAP. Any estimate you have on the weight? Like what's the max load of one of these rail cars?
>Any estimate you have on the weight?
if it's anything like the T-72 and BMP target/decoy from a couple years ago they're actually pretty light because they focus more on the visual and thermal signature.
>Like what's the max load of one of these rail cars?
over a 100 tons is fairly standard
Never mind you also need to fool things like heat signatures, so NOW you need at least an electric space heater so it "produces" heat.
Criminal deception, another gnomish trick by those who are not brave enough to show what they've got and fight like a man. Probably there are some international rules that prohibit this, but the west of course doesn't care.
reminder, decoys are proof that Ukraine is running out of equipment
why are they even bothering, Russians can't hit them anyway. They should make decoys of children's school buses instead, those might actually draw vatnik fire.
nah, they just like fucking with you vodka chimps
These are unfinished systems that had to be re-categorized as decoys, you can clearly see that the USA is running low on tires and tank tracks.
So that example posted of a detailed sherman decoy earlier was proof the US was running out of shermans?
They are running low on AA, yes. Missiles more than anything else, but they can't afford to lose too many S-300s and Tors either. It's probably their biggest concern now that the tank and IFV situation is a bit better
Mehmet my son, you can have expendable dummies. Will you pick $500 balloon or $100K detailed wooden dummy?
I hope these are made out of concrete so they can eat up more than one Lancet.
>useless decoy needs the same transport capacity as the real thing
retarded murricans
a decoy shouldn't need the same logistics you fat gays
>something the same size as the thing you're trying to imitate can't be the same size
They're not sending their best anons.
there are blow up decoys that look just as realistic and fit in a briefcase
How do you know they're not real S-300s that have a body kit to make them *look* fake so the drone operators leave them alone ?
That would be smart but they are too detailed for that.
retarded logic
But they don't have Ukrainian tetris camoflage so maybe they're meant to look like Russian S-300s and the drone operators won't attack them ?
So if every vehicle looks like a giant inflatable duck...
wouldn't work, it's not that conducive to charging
>use unrealistic logistics to transport decoys faster than they realistically could
>doesn't worry about this throwing up red flags
that's for target practice you dumb ass
holy shit
You probably don't need decoys this good to fool satellite or aerial photography, so I guess they're actually meant to fool infiltrators or OSINT?
They already made the hulls, why don't they just put the rest of the parts on them and send real, functional AA?
There's easily a two order of magnitude price difference here.
Delicious practice targets
i love these shining white angels death. beautiful
if they are going to ranges they aren't supposed to be shot at. they're purpose is target recognition for the pilots. some of them do have threat emitters which will get used with smokey sams occasionally also
Seems weird to bother with these things since the Russians have apparently demonstrated no ability to hit anything accurately a few miles past the front lines. Perhaps they're going to be used for an exercise instead?
I feel like this is too late? According to the leaked figures back in February, almost all their AA was already shot.
>Ohio
So how long before the train these are on derail and the local Republican territorial division blows it up?