Russians carve path with THREE turtle tanks

cons:
>Absolutely massive
>Cant see shit
>Can move turret (broken anyways)
>looks and moves like a WW1 tank
pros:
>soul
>kino
>looks and moves like a WW1 tank

I love these smekalka behemoths and I'm not afraid to say it anymore.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    KYS zigger.
    -op

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      KYS homosexual
      t. original poster

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OH NO NO NO

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just like they wanted "sustainable peace" in the donbas?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      never fall for the kremil yude lies
      they did the same with chechenya after first war

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If they want "sustainable peace" why are they bombing their cities flat?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's that stupid thing Russians do where they openly lie to your face and hope you accept it anyways. Everyone knows it's just a temporary time out so they can re-arm and recruit meaning Ukraine is highly unlikely to accept it. But the rest of the turdie sphere (who also know it's a lie) can clutch pearls, save face and shed a tear for the poor bullied Russians who wanted peace and were denied

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >break 1991 deal
          >break 2014 deal
          >please sign a 2024 deal
          The worst part is there are morons that will act like this is a good idea and Ukraine should sign.

          You realize that we can arm and retrain Ukraine as well right? And that our arming and training will push them far ahead of the Russians.
          >The Russians will break it
          Not if we build a modern Ukranian army.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Russia won't sign a deal that doesn't involve them getting more than they had after 2014 and the Dneiper-Donets oil $ gas basin will be added to the Crimea oil & gas basin as another Russian war trophy.
            This is leave Ukraine bankrupt long term with little hope of developing.

            Soviet pilots shot down US pilots over Vietnam, it's time to return the favour and clear the skies for Ukraine.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What is leaving Ukraine bankrupt, the imaginary deal you're proposing that they're never going to sign? What kind of tard-ass recursive bullshit narrative are you trying to fumble out of your brain, idiot? Are you having krokodil withdrawals?
              What in the seven realms of FRICK is the relevance of the Vietnam war today, when only the soviet equipment used by the Russians remain the same?
              They need to fire you, conscript you and send you to a barrier group. You're a waste of life.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So you think Russia will sign a deal that gives Crimea back?
                You think Putin is going to say "remember when I said Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia were Russian, well they aren't now"?
                The Russia "deal" will be like every other deal they have offered, give us more than we currently hold.

                As for Vietnam it's extremely relevant because a nuclear power fought directly against a nuclear power without nuclear war. Nukes are a great defence deterrent but you have to be fricking stupid to use them over an offensive war because you risk your nation being turned to rubble over attempted theft.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >remember when I said Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia were Russian, well they aren't now"?
                He could say this and no soviet bred golem would dare to object tbh. Not saying he will be he could.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you risk your nation being turned to rubble over attempted theft.
                sounds exactly what a vatnik wienerroach would do

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              What we SHOULD have done two years ago was turn loose a bunch of A10s, F15s, F16s, and F18s with a full stock of spares & weapons, and made an open call to any US or NATO pilot that wants to volunteer to join the new Flying Tigers/Eagle Squadron/Lafayette Escadrille/whatever they want to call it this time.

              It would have instantly provided Ukraine with a modern NATO-quality air force in a reasonably politically deniable fashion, and short-circuited a lot of this trench warfare blood-letting, maybe even ended the war by now.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Soviet pilots shot down US pilots over Vietnam
              and Korea

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine isn't getting the land back unless Russia is beaten soundly. Giving them time to lick their wounds and rebuild is only in their favor, they will parade the ruins to rebuild Putin's strongman master strategist status in the eyes of the people and amass a larger force for round 2. Meanwhile Ukraine's industry and population is unlikely to recover until the country can be rebuilt fully and attract people back with opportunites which wont happen with russia playing king wienerroach on the rubble across the border. America cannot stay indefinitely or fund their rebuilding enough to make a difference. There are far to many loudmouths, with support, calling for America to leave now and this is with old war surplus donations that number will quickly grow when they can point to infrastructure and industry investments while America's languishes. If America is going to stick around and use Ukraine as a military base we might as well skip to the end and just eradicate the Russian military now, at least it will save some lives.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Ukraine isn't getting the land back unless Russia
              They're getting all of their land back, regardless of Russia. It's a question of time, not if.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imperial stuff. Like promoting democracy in Afghanistan, Libiya, Iraq. Like promoting people's choices and democracy by toppling regimes, like building the Mediterranean Singapore by gassing flooding bombing occupying Gaza, like finally getting good fid of those colonists in Hong Kong and letting people choose their own fate by being forced to be China nationals by gunpoint, like King people work together by forcing them to like with non compatible mixed NMacedonia, Kosovan, BiH, Niger, Mali, Yemen, Iran, Armenia and Azerbaijan

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Whole paragraph of absolutely english-illiterate word vomit
          Lol ok thanks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you really want to know, the answer is that "sustainable peace" means a settlement to the conflict negotiated with the US.
        And they don't trust the US at all, so they won't negotiate a settlement, even if we were willing to negotiate with them, until they're in a strong enough position to enforce their aims i.e. regime change in kiev and no US influence in the country (including but not limited to NATO membership).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >break 1991 deal
      >break 2014 deal
      >please sign a 2024 deal
      The worst part is there are morons that will act like this is a good idea and Ukraine should sign.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As opposed to what? They can't go invade Russia to install a new government.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >As opposed to what?
          As opposed to holding on until Russia either weakens enough to be pushed back to their borders, or is forced to agree to withdraw to their borders to end the war.

          I'm not suggesting that the above is easy, I'm not even 100% certain its possible. But that's the alternative and the west should do everything to make it happen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Force Russia out restoring their borders one way or another, get a peace treaty signed, and immediately join NATO? When Russia says "Ok, we'll sign peace treaty. But you can't join NATO." for the third or fourth time obviously hoping to pull this shit yet again in a decade or two tell them to no, to sign the fricking document, and then to go frick themselves once that's done.

          It won't be easy and certainly isn't a guaranteed outcome but if they can get that done they're set. Once you're in NATO Russia can't touch you no matter how weak and invadable you'd otherwise be, which coupled with constant Russian aggression towards nearly everyone they share a border with is why it keeps growing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The same kind of sustainable peace they made with Chechens after 1st war were Rusdia got kicked in the teeth so hard they went trought thier entire digestive system and shredded thierbutthole?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh noo peace is about to break out what will americans do to stop it??

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Use our man in the Kremlin to sabotage and destroy Russia instead?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >our man in kremlin
          more james may kino in the making?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So I guess uncle Xi told him to stop this shit already during his recent visit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What happens if all Russian forces just leave Ukraine in like 48 hours but no surrender or terms are announced?

      Like they just fricked off back to the border except for maybe Luganda and Donbabwe?

      What happens if there's a traffic jam in the Kerch bridge with fleeing Russians?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What happens if there's a traffic jam in the Kerch bridge with fleeing Russians?
        It would be The Highway of Death 2: Revenge of the Moskva

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a sustainable peace for ukraine and any of russia's neighbors can be attained by putin's head appearing on a pike outside of the kremlin

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lugenpresse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If only Moscow's promises were worth the paper they were written on. No. They've proven numerous times that any slack they're given will be used to rearm so they can try again.
      This fight goes on until one side collapses entirely, NATO or Russia. And one of those hasn't even shown up to the fight yet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NATO support’s lasts only so long as US support lasts, and no one is willing to spend more than a tiny fraction of GDP on the effort. Russia commitment is vastly larger so it seems very unlikely Ukraine will win. Unless the US gets much more serious about support it’ll be a Russian victory. The only other hope is that the loss of the European energy market is enough to force Russia to stop before Ukraine collapses.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ignores all the long-term investments from the West.
          Ignores Soviet stockpiles running out.
          You sound like a zigger

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I really love Gerasimov's expressions.
            He's like a Slavic Christoph Waltz, casting him will be easy if Christoph ages well enough, which he probably will.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sustainable peace

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What that means is "If the Ukrainians give up their Eastern provinces, and renounce all claims over a Crimea, and install a puppet government who toes the line, we will allow them to exist."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If the Ukrainians ... we will allow them to exist
        ...for now.

        Clearly an unacceptable proposition which is why that's not how the war is going to end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The russian israelite cries in tears as he strikes you

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like brain damage. I recommend suicide.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So they lost 2/4 vehicles?
    What even took out the little one? I didn't see an impact near it, the crew suddenly jumped out and ran away.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the context here, they slowly build a "safe" road? That kind makes sense, I remember some other video of a column assaulting and they moved on a dirty path that looked like that.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The turtle tanks are funny, but they're the first thing Russia has done in this war that I actually respect
    >superheavy probe-scout vehicles which demand a hard anti-tank response

    is it the right tool for the job? I don't know.
    but it's innovation. maybe someday we'll see highly-developed turtle engineering tanks with previously-unthinkable amounts of spaced armor.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, this legitimately. Autonomous as well. It's the first not absolutely terrible thing the Russians have done all war. Personally, I would focus on using older tanks, and I would remove the turret for the weight saving. Idk the math but I recon if you ditch the turret you will have enough bph/t to consider using a plow instead of rollers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Autonomous

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Future ones. Also, current ones are operated by slav drones so technically autonomous.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's the first not absolutely terrible thing the Russians have done all war
        I think that's a gross exaggeration, Russia has done lots of things, if not well, then at least more or less effectively.

        >Ukraine still can't fly aircraft near the front lines
        >EW still everywhere (much less in 2024 maybe but last two years have been rough on drones)
        >Slowly gaining ground
        >Sorovokin line mostly holds
        >Took Bakhmut eventually, only used population of Tartastan to do it.
        >Barrier troops clearly effective, mobiks only advance and don't surrender much anymore

        Russia has a certain brutal effectiveness to them, it's not all hype.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Only thing they're brutally effective at is getting themselves killed.
          Only now there isn't a healthy demographic to refill the slots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hope they put a naval gun on one so it has more dakka

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Heavy
      They're sheet metal shells.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its like in AoE when you spam rams against archers kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Prigo malding in chat right now asking for Trebuchets kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >GERASIMOV YOU BASTARD THEY HAVE BOMBARD CANNONS AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE BALLISTICS
          >THE BRITONS SLUNG THEM WARWOLF TREBS AND WE'RE FRICKING VILLAGER RUSHING

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Villager rushing trebuchets and bombard cannons
            Classic Prigozhin

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think filling them with infantry makes them move faster?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >innovation
      da, cumrag, is of great smekalka*~~*~~

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel are Russians killed and does not include wounded

        16.05.2024
        Tanks — 7529 (+19)
        Armored fighting vehicle — 14538 (+30)
        Artillery systems — 12565 (+27)
        MLRS — 1070
        Anti-aircraft warfare — 798
        Planes — 351
        Helicopters — 325
        UAV — 10028 (+13)
        Cruise missiles — 2200 (+1)
        Ships (boats) — 26
        Submarines — 1
        Trucks and Fuel Tankers — 17048 (+93)
        Special equipment — 2062 (+1)
        Military personnel — aprx. 488460 people (+1520)

        better survivability than an m1 abrams

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Demonstrably false.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yea, say what you will about them, but they are the only Russian vehicle I would willingly set foot in if I was a mobik.
      Under the premise that the ammo racks are empty of course, otherwise it's still a fricking deathtrap.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't know anything about respect, there is no word for it in the Russian vocabulary. That's why you and the other roosters constantly debase yourselves online.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >soul
    >kino
    no

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel are Russians killed and does not include wounded

    16.05.2024
    Tanks — 7529 (+19)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 14538 (+30)
    Artillery systems — 12565 (+27)
    MLRS — 1070
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 798
    Planes — 351
    Helicopters — 325
    UAV — 10028 (+13)
    Cruise missiles — 2200 (+1)
    Ships (boats) — 26
    Submarines — 1
    Trucks and Fuel Tankers — 17048 (+93)
    Special equipment — 2062 (+1)
    Military personnel — aprx. 488460 people (+1520)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      where is russia churning out all these vehicles?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Soviet stocks because well they are huge and for tanks they still have the raw material to make tanks its that without all the modern optics night and thermal visions let alone better armor

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Back 40-70 years ago. They’re just blowing through that inheritance

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Submarines — 1

      wait, what the frick did i miss?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sub in drydock get blown up a few months ago

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >a few months ago
          It was like a year ago

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A while back a submarine was damaged in a missile strike on a drydock, ripped holes in the casing
        Unknown if the sub will ever float again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One comfy thing (from an outside perspective) about numbers in this war is that ALL numbers are verified/stepped on within a very narrow margin. None of the "body count" fantasies of previous conflicts.

      That being said, the Russians lost the equivalent of a reinforced battalion combat team in one day's worth of combat. I don't get how they can keep sustaining this.

      Most NATO armies would be completely dead doing it this way in a couple of weeks. Even the US military couldn't sacrifice its soldiers this way for more than a month.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >bigger number for russia is bad
        >smaller number for ukraine is good
        When are we going to accept that Russia simply does not value human life or military equipment, and that quantity is a quality all in its own?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >When are we going to accept that Russia simply does not value human life or military equipment
          And that will be their undoing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Like with Napoleon or Hitler

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know how the hell that thing managed to deploy smoke with all the shit covering it

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So, to try and decipher the video:
    1. Two (or more?) turtle tanks drives down a road, probably towards a Ukrainian frontline position.
    2. Artillery starts falling around them. It feels like 2 guns maybe?
    3. The turtle tanks pop smoke and reverse back out. One might be disabled by a near hit?
    This war is in a weird phase. I feel as if the Ukrainians used to put up a tougher defense, not just a handful of basic artillery shells. Where are the Javelins, BONUS, Brimstones, various ATGMs etc? It’s like if volunteer FPVs can’t deal with it then Ukie defenses struggle? I don’t honestly think turtle tanks have anything to do with it I think it’s Ukies getting really thread-bare / weak. All that doomer shit in the media isn’t just trying trying to pressure allies into increasing support they really are in a super tough position. We’re talking about a few old tanks with goofy sheet metal sheds on them, these shouldn’t be difficult targets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Frontline is 1.000+ km long.
      The numbers tell you that ukies are out of nothing.

      Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel are Russians killed and does not include wounded

      16.05.2024
      Tanks — 7529 (+19)
      Armored fighting vehicle — 14538 (+30)
      Artillery systems — 12565 (+27)
      MLRS — 1070
      Anti-aircraft warfare — 798
      Planes — 351
      Helicopters — 325
      UAV — 10028 (+13)
      Cruise missiles — 2200 (+1)
      Ships (boats) — 26
      Submarines — 1
      Trucks and Fuel Tankers — 17048 (+93)
      Special equipment — 2062 (+1)
      Military personnel — aprx. 488460 people (+1520)

      The begging for peace

      https://i.imgur.com/PkC6WDI.jpeg

      OH NO NO NO

      tells you that Russia is on its last breath.
      This war is over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nah the 'begging for peace' is just russia making the right noises to give China some reasons to back them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        holy mother of kope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Artillery starts falling around them
      When has Ukrainian artillery been that inaccurate?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Where are the Javelins, BONUS, Brimstones, various ATGMs etc?
      Probably saved for later, remember Russia has only stormed what is basically no man's land on the border.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It feels like 2 guns maybe?
      Every time I watch video from inside a TOC(Brigade level? lower?), they seem to have 1 each of 100mm rapira, 122mm D-30, and sometimes 152mm, as well as a company(?) of attack drones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We’re talking about a few old tanks with goofy sheet metal sheds on them

      It's not goofy if it works. Sometimes this spaced armor that they are improvising stops multiple FPV hits and easily stops quad drops as well. It has been discovered that adding just a basic disposable shield to the outside of a tank drastically increases its survivability in current conditions. Not so much if you can land back to back hits in the same location, in which case survivability simply increases by 1 anti tank warhead, which is still amazing- considering that one chance is sometimes all you need to escape or survive.

      But on a moving target like a tank you are unlikely to get a double penetration.

      Even with a top attack weapon like a javelin, the turtle shell disrupts its main means of properly penetrating the tank. Suffice it to say what the Ukrainians need is not high dollar state of the art anti tank weapons. They need anti tank warheads, thick belt mines and more artillery.

      It is the only thing you need and if you have shortage of these supplies you will see ground lost. I predicted this back in the day too, I use to say on /k/ that in a theoretical WW3 scenario once the expensive toys are all gone and no one can make them faster than they are being taken out- more practical cold war and WW2 designs will make a come back with a focus on a compromise between production speed and efficacy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Even with a top attack weapon like a javelin, the turtle shell disrupts its main means of properly penetrating the tank.
        It really doesn't. A Javelin has a 127mm warhead, which puts a 3 meter standoff distance at around 23.6 charge diameters here in this chart. That means a precision charge will penetrate up to two times its CD, ~250mm of armor.
        The T-72 has roughly 45mms of turret roof armor, 40mm on its engine cover and 30mm on its hull roof.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >thin sheet metal disrupts a javelin multi-stage warhead designed to punch through a metre of steel
        Yeah, and if the tsar had wheels he'd be a fricking bycicle. Reality does not agree with facts you thinly veiled vatnik

        In fact, go stand on the range and tell the tank commander that his barn roof will protect him. It seems to work until they all die, as is russian tradition. Then keep doing it forever so we can have a laugh, well done.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A couple of things you guys are confused over:
    1. Russia never once stopped SAYING they want to negotiate peace. The issue is that they never wanted to do so seriously, ie, go into negotiations with any attitude of compromise.
    2. Russia is taking ground and is winning currently, BUT the real goal is to secure the pipelines which they want to do via regime change (install a friendly government). Anything short of that is a loss for them. They could take most of the country but as long as the pipelines remain in the hands of a hostile government they actually haven’t won anything. ANY kind of real negotiated settlement MUST include some form of legal binding guarantee that Ukraine will never mess with the pipelines or try to develop their own energy export business (termed "energy independence" to the public). ANY agreement without that wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s written on and anyone would be utter fools to trust it. It would at most be a ceasefire to be used to re-arm at 1000% capacity for the next round. Putin is utterly committed to it, Russia has to be crushed so thoroughly that he literally can’t pursue the war anymore, Ukraine made so strong that it’s impossible for Russia to win / the involvement of US forces directly. No other scenario leads to anything but a Ukie defeat and regime change.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No agreement of any sort is worth anything when a Russian signs it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The pipelines won't matter because Europe is already starting to transition off of russian gas. It'd be political suicide to go 'yeah actually let's buy russian gas when they've repeatedly demonstrated that they'll cut us off the moment they start acting uppity again'.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The US has been struggling to get Europe off of Russian energy for decades. It’s the primary US foriegn policy goal in Europe for decades. The US foriegn policy bureaucracies do change direction but it can take a really long time as seen in Afghanistan, there’s no reason to believe that’ll shrug and go “oh well surely Europe will stay off the Russian energy now” and let Russia win. They’ll certainly look at the risks of Europeans “relapsing” and decide those risks aren’t acceptable. If it just some arms spending and foreign aid that’s no problem for them until long-term public opinion / media pressure makes them change course,

        The risk for Ukraine is letting the US get comfortable with the dynamic of just sending them some aid to keep them in the fight but with no greater commitment to achieving victory — because that will lead to eventual financial / economic ruin for Ukraine and a regime change to some Russian proxy government to secure Russian financial support. But I strongly doubt the US would simply consider the goal “mission accomplished” here and move on.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You are forgetting the lobbying groups dependant on Russian energy. Take German Marshall Fund, which advocated kicking Eastern Europe out of NATO.
          And gas from Belgian shore terminals and Kazakhi oil in Austrian pipelines are still Russian hydrocarbons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The pipelines won't matter because Europe is already starting to transition off of russian gas. It'd be political suicide to go 'yeah actually let's buy russian gas when they've repeatedly demonstrated that they'll cut us off the moment they start acting uppity again'.
        This
        A lot of people don't know why it's such a huge deal because, for comparison, the soviet union never did this shit despite legit being on the brink of starting WWIII
        Imagine being a less reliable business partner than fricking commies of all people

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I mean thats dubious. The very Russian dependent economies like Germany and the Benelux would not need much incentive to buy cheap Russian gas again. A poll in the Netherlands even showed 43% of people support a negotiated peace, as soon as possible. Which would essentially mean a Russian win.

        EU elections are coming up, and a lot of the populist right is up in the polls and a lot of them are pro Russia, or at least not very pro-aid. So I dont think its as politically unviable as you might think.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It'd be political suicide to go 'yeah actually let's buy russian gas when they've repeatedly demonstrated that they'll cut us off the moment they start acting uppity again'.
        The average person has the memory of a goldfish and doubly so if the matter involves their wallet
        Consider what happened in Finland:
        >before coof: wow why would be have any agriculture of our own when we can just buy cheap produce from Spain
        >during coof: wow this isn't right we should have our own agriculture to deal with disruptions like this
        >post-coof: wow why would be have any agriculture of our own when we can just buy cheap produce from Spain
        Just change the actors to Germany, Russia and gas and you have exactly what will happen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia never once stopped SAYING they want to negotiate peace
      This, though to simplify:
      > Yes, we russia want peace
      > Just hand over the entire country of UKR and we'll stop fighting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Re US support for the war. It’s been the primary foreign policy goal of the US in Europe to cut Russia (really just Putin) off from the European energy market for over a decade. Ever since Ukraine threw off the old government system the US has been heavily involved in a project to develop Ukraine’s newly discovered energy reserves for the purpose of replacing Russian energy with Ukrainian energy using the Soviet pipeline infrastructure Ukraine inherited and which Russia relies on to feed Europe. The US gets Russia cut off from Europe financially and politically and Ukraine gets rich. The primary US goal of getting Russia cut off from Europe has been achieved and the US will continue to ensure that Ukraine at least can stay in the fight — the US won’t abandon such a major policy goal any time soon and public opinion DOES have a long-term effect on US foreign policy the fact is the US can form public opinion to a large extent on demand. As long as the policy goal remains relevant then the US won’t hard-drop support — unless a new admin decides to make major policy changes which can be influenced by long-term public opinion factors etc.

      The US has been struggling to get Europe off of Russian energy for decades. It’s the primary US foriegn policy goal in Europe for decades. The US foriegn policy bureaucracies do change direction but it can take a really long time as seen in Afghanistan, there’s no reason to believe that’ll shrug and go “oh well surely Europe will stay off the Russian energy now” and let Russia win. They’ll certainly look at the risks of Europeans “relapsing” and decide those risks aren’t acceptable. If it just some arms spending and foreign aid that’s no problem for them until long-term public opinion / media pressure makes them change course,

      The risk for Ukraine is letting the US get comfortable with the dynamic of just sending them some aid to keep them in the fight but with no greater commitment to achieving victory — because that will lead to eventual financial / economic ruin for Ukraine and a regime change to some Russian proxy government to secure Russian financial support. But I strongly doubt the US would simply consider the goal “mission accomplished” here and move on.

      Stop pretending this war was some 4d chess move about gas. Putin is moronic, the end.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what if both of those things were true?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what if both of those things were true?

        If it was true, Canada would have been chomping at the bit to open up a pipeline ten years ago.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          wtf does canada have to do with european energy security?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hmm, maybe the fact that Canada could be the second largest exporter of crude in the world with a pipeline straight to the US and easy access to the seaways through the Saint-Lawrence, removing dependance on both European oil and gas AND the need to pass through the Suez Canal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Inb4 "what do you mean Suez"
              Northwest Passage to the East

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >carve path
    too bad Ukraine is using drones to just drop mines where the musskies have previously thought was de-mined, to great effect

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Re US support for the war. It’s been the primary foreign policy goal of the US in Europe to cut Russia (really just Putin) off from the European energy market for over a decade. Ever since Ukraine threw off the old government system the US has been heavily involved in a project to develop Ukraine’s newly discovered energy reserves for the purpose of replacing Russian energy with Ukrainian energy using the Soviet pipeline infrastructure Ukraine inherited and which Russia relies on to feed Europe. The US gets Russia cut off from Europe financially and politically and Ukraine gets rich. The primary US goal of getting Russia cut off from Europe has been achieved and the US will continue to ensure that Ukraine at least can stay in the fight — the US won’t abandon such a major policy goal any time soon and public opinion DOES have a long-term effect on US foreign policy the fact is the US can form public opinion to a large extent on demand. As long as the policy goal remains relevant then the US won’t hard-drop support — unless a new admin decides to make major policy changes which can be influenced by long-term public opinion factors etc.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And it just got worse Novorossiysk is underattack by ukie drones. Have fun salvaging what's left of the black sea fleat after this zingers

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    BTW, Russia is rebuilding Mariupol and comments on Dvach are saying it’s full of Tajiks and is basically New Tajikistan. I wonder what’s up with that; just a place for Tajik migrant workers who ended up there or an actual policy to move them in? Why Mariupol? If Ukraine ever does manage to re-take it, what’ll happen to all those migrants? Ie, the Russians can put a loyal ethic group within Ukrainian territory and who will simultaneously become a Ukranian problem ie welfare?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Tajiks will flee towards both sides.
      Of course the Russians are using ethnic minorities to settle into a literal warzone; they wouldn't send Nikita Buyanov from Saint Petersburg.
      The Tajiks probably won't be much of a problem for the Ukrainians in the long run, because once the war's over and those Tajiks get those EU passports, they're probably not going to want to stay in ex-soviet bombed out shithole number 3,557

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody is going to allow anyone with a russian passport to enter especially when they were in occupied territories.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >because once the war's over and those Tajiks get those EU passports
        KEK
        IN YOUR DREAMS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Considering all those churkas are a Russian tool to de-ukrainize Ukraine, they'll have two options after Ukraine recaptures it's territory:

      1.) go back to your home country

      2.) mass grave somewhere between a field and a tree line

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what’ll happen to all those migrants?
      they'll have to learn to swim to Sochy, the same way Dombabweas and Lugandans will.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I wonder what’s up with that;
      russia "rebuilding" anything. lol. I guess potemkins villages for copeganda Russia Today count.
      anyway what you are seeing is colonization. Welcome to how its really done
      >kill/deport/chase out original native populace
      >import loyal biomass from the hinterlands heavily intermixing them
      >now sure the region wont develop a strong identity or try to break off tzar claws once again
      see how effective it is with Konigsberg. They want to do the same to the rest of the baltic states if they manage to ever occupy them again. For comparison if Konigsberg retained its original german natives around the city post WW2 then in 1991 there would have been four baltic states regaining their independence
      >Estonia
      >Latvia
      >Lithuania
      >Prussia
      Instead it was completely lethargic even as cash strapped puccia was going around offering it in a bargain bin

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Królewiec
        look how they massacred my boy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I want Prussia back so badly. They were utterly based
        >verification not required

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          prussia is essentially the chastised germany of today

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, it's honestly amazing how much they hate Russians here.
        they still talk about the time the Germans came to free them and how much they regret the Germans leaving.
        they've even banned russian language from government use recently. they hang flags everywhere like Americans. these people won't ever be taken by Russia a third time.
        t. non balt living in the baltics

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >t. non balt living in the baltics
          Haha, I thought you were talking about Kaliningrad for a minute and wondered what the frick you were on about with them hating Russia and longing for Nazis.

          https://i.imgur.com/OzbjsWK.gif

          >thin sheet metal disrupts a javelin multi-stage warhead designed to punch through a metre of steel
          Yeah, and if the tsar had wheels he'd be a fricking bycicle. Reality does not agree with facts you thinly veiled vatnik

          In fact, go stand on the range and tell the tank commander that his barn roof will protect him. It seems to work until they all die, as is russian tradition. Then keep doing it forever so we can have a laugh, well done.

          >Reality does not agree with facts you thinly veiled vatnik
          You're misreading anon, they're wrong about tandem warheads but that's not a vatnik post.
          They're right that the shells complicate drone attacks and provide the tank with a chance to escape by making the first drone a warning shot instead of a potential kill.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now, a small counter-point to that image:
        While the old street-view looked nicer, you must remember that most of those old houses were draughty, moldy and honestly not that nice to live in. They were always either too cold or too hot (as they were built in times before air conditioning) and honestly would not pass modern building code. Also, after the second world war, most of the europe was in ruins after bombings and street fighting.
        There is a reason why they were torn down: they were old, leaky and rotting.

        Now, that being said, they did them dirty by replacing them with soul-crushing soviet-style concrete brutalism.
        (and after the war, the priorities were more along the lines of "We need to replace the war-smashed buildings FAST and CHEAP" so aesthetics were not really a consideration anyways)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Tajiks won't have legal residency in Ukraine after the war, and their current presence there violates international law.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe Ukraine would be justified according to international law in deporting them all, seeing as how they've only been settled there recently, and clearly with the intent to displace the native Ukrainians. They might get some nasty looks from some college morons who think "brown=good boy who dindu nuffin'" but i doubt it would seriously damage their international relations.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A sustainable peace at a minimum is Russia withdrawing from the 1991 borders and Ukraine getting under a non-Russian nuclear umbrella. Somehow I doubt Putin is offering that.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    carve what now?
    this stage of the special operation just looks like russians are getting blown up while driving down marked roads like they're uber drivers, but you have vehicles that can go over any terrain in the ao

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He had a good six months where at any point he could have said the invasion was just a prank and withdrew to the 2022 frontlines. Instead by annexing the Donbass he's given himself an actual way to determine failure. If the war ends without the Russian flag returned to Kherson and hoisted at Zaphorizhia, objectively he has failed.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >carve path
    >open video
    >the only movement is backwards
    Where the frick are they carving a path to?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      their own lines

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is it time?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          honestly I doubt it unless Puccia suffers a direct battlefield defeat. But if that happens, whichever general in said direction will probably try to repeat Pringles Man's epic moskal thunder run.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The sad part is that losing one of them still hurts Russia more than all of the Abrams and Bradleys lost by Ukraine combined.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Strange way to cope.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, those ugly orc tanks are a weird way to cope.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The turtle tanks are genuinely my favorite smekalka the vatBlack folk have made.
    Everyday this parody of a war keeps getting more ridiculous.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That has to be maybe the most boring video to come out of this war.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I love these smekalka behemoths and I'm not afraid to say it anymore.
    As a child, my parents volunteered at a special needs camp and I used to play with morons all day. They can be fun, there's nothing wrong with liking moronic things, they can be adorable.
    Maybe they're more adorable /because/ they're moronic.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literally 3 minutes of nothing

    Nice use of smoke tough, i cant remember the last time i saw a russian tank doing that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Literally 3 minutes of nothing
      I think not.
      There's quite a bit of information here that's interesting to me.

      >first turtle took splash damage from a near miss
      >gave up whatever they were doing (uncharacteristically wise, possible press-ganged african student)
      >maybe because too hot, maybe damaged by arty
      >turns around and causes traffic jam!
      >maybe collision between first and second turtles
      >second turtle tries to avoid hitting first turtle
      >turns around but gets stuck or breaks down or gets damaged (either by arty or first turtle) in an apparent mobility kill, which is a mission kill here
      >another traffic jam
      >third turtle heads to second turtle, carefully approaches unsure of whether it's about to get artied and explode
      >probably evaccing abandoooners from #3

      >most seem to survive the failed assault
      >abandon one vehicle
      >possibly no casualties from an aborted assault
      >road is 3/4 proved clear of mines (until next ADAM shell mines it anyway)

      A longer clip would be nice, with outcomes but I think it's probably just one abandoned turtle which will get shelled pretty soon.

      We know so little about how turtles are being used and performing that this is all interesting data to me.

      https://i.imgur.com/goFQiSe.jpeg

      Only thing they're brutally effective at is getting themselves killed.
      Only now there isn't a healthy demographic to refill the slots.

      >Only thing they're
      >anon literally gave you a list of things they don't entirely frick up

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Turtle tanks are a solution to a problem (FPV, drone drops) and ruin the general purpose of the vehicle they're on top of (MBT). However because Ukraine does not have enough ATGM or shit like NLAW's, then we're at a point where this will work simply because drones don't have the payload to take it out. However they still need to be followed up with infantry or other mechanised forces and those should be the things targeted. The vision from a T-72 is shit anyway, putting a shed on top makes it worse. It means you can also realistically get up close to it on foot and blow it that way (or capture it). So Ukraine should be using FPV's on the shit coming behind the turtle tanks, not the turtle tanks themselves. Yes, a turtle tank still has 125mm of hurt in HE shells but it is extremely limited in its positioning and traversing, so it really becomes a case of accepting they're coming towards you if you don't have any AT weaponry and concentrate on the stuff that is designed to storm your position after it.

    I think flame FPV drones are also a solution here. If the 'seeing arc' is on fire, you cannot advance easily because, shits on fire, yo. So while it wouldn't do anything, it would make the ability for the tank to fire and move much harder if there is flames and smoke everywhere.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >soul
    >kino
    You're the type of mouth breather that thinks commie blocks are "comfy", correct?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Turn 360 and walk away out of this website and lurk moar

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Typical shartjeet geometry skills. 360° is a complete circle you idiot.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh boy, it's summer again

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lurk moar, Black person

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus christ those things are slow. I guess they are called turtles for a reason.
    Also some tankers are going to get dick on lip for abandoning the mission.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a bazillion posts of people saying they wouldn't mind being in thos tin cans
    wow, people's memories are short.
    can't wait until javelins are in stock at the ukrainian front, again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      2 more weeks, like the F-16s (they will never do anything except shoot down cruise missiles)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They still have ATGMs, anon.
      I saw a video of javelins (or some other top attack munition at any rate) at work not 2 months ago.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a bazillion posts of people saying they wouldn't mind being in thos tin cans
      That's not how I read the thread but if you saw it that way, consider that it may be relative.
      They're comparing it to being in a tank/truck without a shell, not just not being there at all (my personal choice).

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russians still have gain grounds. Is it significant enough or not really?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They haven't even gotten past the border villages. Putin himself is already backpedaling and saying they're just there to create a '''''''buffer zone'''''''.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What do you think the original intention of this attack was meant to be exactly? The russian leadership no way thought their 30k soldiers were going to take Kharkiv

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >backpedaling
        He talked about creating a buffer zone there 2 months ago
        https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-the-only-way-to-protect-russia-is-to-create-a-buffer-zone-with-ukraine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > only way to protect Russian territory from Ukrainian attacks was to create a buffer zone that would put Russian regions beyond the range of Ukrainian fire
          They’ve been saying that since February 2022

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but said such a zone might have to be big enough to stop foreign-made weapons striking Russian territory
          Wouldn’t that require the entirety of Ukraine to be occupied?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The ukrainians haven't been given anything with a range above I think 500km, and the country is about 1300km across
            About half would theoretically work
            Not that that has much to do with how the post-war settlement will look, but those are the figures.
            And as far as I know they've never used foreign-provided long ranged missiles to hit targets inside Russia, Crimea nonwithstanding. They used Czech MLRS in the attack that hit that christmas market in Belgorod, iirc. And that only has just enough range to do so.

            tldr a buffer zone that doesn't encompass kharkov is the current objective but you can bet your arse that'll get mission crept if the distribution of forces is favourable to it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Wouldn’t the buffer zone require the entirety of Ukraine to be occupied?
            Once they settle into the buffer zone and build bases and defences there, they'll need an extended buffer zone to prevent the buffer zone being attacked.
            About half of Poland and Finland plus Moldova ought to do the job.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They haven't even gotten past the border villages. Putin himself is already backpedaling and saying they're just there to create a '''''''buffer zone'''''''.

      Its interesting that those chose to attack on an axis that has a water obstacle on their one flank. Sure, your flank is protected but you're also funneled because you cant use that flank for an envelopment.

      what did they mean by this?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even better, there is no substantial road connection back across the border. This is 1000% some kind of demented distraction or PR effort, there's no chance to logistically support a deeper penetration from that salient.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >see scale
      >2.5km, contested penetration, along a 2km front. with a 1km bight on the right flank. Likely to avoid artillery sitting on the other bank of the river
      >significant advance
      Yeah nah. Not yet. That's more of a raid than an advance unless they can follow it up and protect the flanks. And it risks being cut off with a quick raid or a flock of mildly annoyed geese.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if i didn't watch the slow descent into suicidal delusion we're at right now, it would be very alarming seeing this post

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think we need to make a vehicle prediction general.
    We have had such absurdities, from tactical golf carts to WW1 tanks, what's next? What the frick can they come up with at this point? I am genuinely curious. Are we going to have that soviet design of a plane with mobiks jumping from its wings?Or the giant-wheeled tank? Will we see a Landkreutzer in our lifetimes?
    This fricking war has produced so much kino that I am starting to question whether I am actually in an "Ash is in a coma" pokemon scenario, and all of this glorious shit is just my comatose brain slowly shutting down, coming up with more and more deranged stuff as the neurons die off.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      turtle tank with hatches for releasing drones

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >hatches for releasing drones
        So basically a Russian troop carrier.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mobility military scooters smegmakaka'd into off-road capabilities including nets to protect from drones. Imagine it, and how the Vatniks would froth at the mouth trying to defend it.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >turtle helping fellow turtle with smokescreen
    cute and valid

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >delusional leadership starts a war they think will be over in two weeks
    >stalled trench conflict brought about by the nearly equal defensive capabilities of both sides
    >burgeoning new aviation technology used to harass the enemy and pick away at supply lines
    >one side creates very heavy slow armored vehicle to try and break frontline stalemate
    Why does it keep happening?
    Was the maneuver war of World War 2 just a total fluke or what?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It absolutely was, it could only happen at that time because of the rapid technological and industrial progression. The only countries today who can do it have to outmatch their enemy in every conceivable way- which the gap for that is closing every day.

      If you think about it, it's the natural state of warfare. Think of ancient battles which became contests of endurance where manpower was thrown wantonly into a grinder. Not to say maneuvering and strategy didn't matter, it still mattered, it always matters. But when all else is equal and one offensive technology isn't reigning supreme on the battlefield anymore- the natural state is a slow grind.

      The speed at which victory can be achieved is reduced to a crawl once the surprise is over.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maneuver warfare requires a level of coordination that cannot be emulated through stuffing neopots into general positions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      WW1 had plenty of maneuver, stop looking at the Western Front.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's what makes it even crazier, how is the eastern front theater this static, it's unheard of. nta

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact these are the most effective AFVs of Russia's arsenal gives me hope for future oversized behemoths

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