having an engine fail on takeoff while you're heavy and just barely above stall speed is different from having one fail when you're high and fast. if you stall at this altitude there is generally no recovery. the only time I've recovered a stall this low in DCS was in the P-51, did an accelerated stall on the deck and managed to level it out after 2-3 pirouettes. but that shit was only possible because I was going like 300mph to begin with.
something happened before the bank started, the plane jerked upwards mid-corner >ohshitformationtooclose >pull stick >dipped wing stalls >so that's how you do a hammerhe-ACK
Russian Su-25 transitions to was/were.
https://nitter.net/eideticeye/status/1569265871448678402
Pulls up quickly to gain altitude/distance from the other jet
>loses speed
then initiates a hard turn with the wings close to 90' to the ground
>loses lift
The aircraft is now going too slow and at the wrong angle to generate enough lift and it's control surfaces are unable to turn it over because it's now falling towards the ground sideways and the airflow isnt fast enough to impart force on the aircaft.
This is what happens when you have pilots with next to no flight hours in an aircraft and when you can't afford/don't have the technology for a simulator. It's like watching someone try to fly on KSP with a keyboard for the first time.
I’m a professional pilot and while I have my suspicions about this wreck I can’t really be too sure. Could have been an engine problem, control problem, wingtip vortices off the lead, or even spatial disorientation. All that being said I am unsure at best. But good on you for one man NTSBing your way to the truth, nice work.
Well if I put my NTSB hat on... My primary cause for the crash was pilot error-induced overbank leading to a loss of lift close to the ground. Contributing factors included spatial disorientation, pilot fatigue, pilot inexperience, and lackluster training.
I think some Russian aircraft are fitted with automatic ejection systems specifically because this shit keeps happening, but I don't know if SU-25s are afforded them.
0/0 implies being on the ground and not upside down. If the pilot ejected the moment he started the overbank he might've been successful, but the moment he went inverted he was already dead.
>do stupid fancy "let's take off at the same time really close together" formation for no reason >kill a pilot
I really want Russia to stop existing so this embarrassing shitshow can finally be over.
You can meme about the quality of their pilot training all you want, but it doesn't change how the RUAF probably spent a good amount of money on this unfortunate pilot, and all of that money is now in the trash. On the bright side, at least some oligarch gets to embezzle the pilot's life insurance payout for a new yacht.
The plane crashed because of pilot error. The pilot banked too hard while flying too slow and forgot that wings only pull you up when flying level or in a high speed turn.
>do stupid fancy "let's take off at the same time really close together" formation for no reason
you stupid fricking reddit invader, I know you're one. shut the frick up. military planes take off in pairs all the fricking time. it's literally bog standard practice that has been going since before ww2. there's nothing fancy about it, it's basic airmanship
It also adds a considerable amount of risk for metal hitting metal. There are very few practical reasons for combat aircraft to perform a wing takeoff these days. Only one I can think of is that they're taking off into weather, and the aircraft doesn't have the capability track the lead aircraft with radar or other electronic means. Otherwise for a clear day, there's no reason to take off in an interval then reassemble the formation in the air.
Time, it's done for time. You take off separately it requires two aircraft to taxi and be cleared for take off separately and then time for linking up in the air.
Even if taking off in an interval, the takeoff clearance is always for the formation. Also formation assembly is not time-consuming process at all, especially if there are turns along the route of flight that allow 2 to easily catch up using geometry.
>You take off separately it requires two aircraft to taxi and be cleared for take off separately
Incorrect. The formation will taxi together and be cleared for takeoff together regardless of the takeoff method. ATC always treats formations like one plane even if they're a mile apart from one another.
>It also adds a considerable amount of risk for metal hitting metal
No, it adds a negligible amount of risk because militaries do it literally all the time. By literally I mean it, nearly every flight with more than 1 plane will take off in pairs, very few exceptions. And multiple pairs will take off one after the other.
Stupid dilettante Black person homosexual. You already exposed yourself, stop talking out your ass on topics you know nothing about. Back to whichever /r/shithole you crawled out of yesterday.
Watch videos of Red Flag or other large military air exercises, and most if not all fighter aircraft take off in close intervals instead of on each other's wing. Only exception would be the A-10, since they don't have radars to track their leading aircraft. Wing takeoffs are only done for training or to maintain formation integrity when taking off into weather. Also frig off I know what I'm talking about >:(
Nah, they come like that from the factory. And russian engines don't really live long enough for them to put off maintenance. Overhaul is every like 40 hours or some shit.
Russian engines are smokey. Smokeless engine tech is weirdly difficult to develop and needs a lot of metallurgical knowledge. Hence only a few western countries have them. The Chinese have been bragging about devloping their first smokeless engines recently.
You couldn't pay me to fly in an Osprey, it's an interesting concept but the complex maintenance required for contra rotation combine that with tilt mechanisms and add in the total mass, it's a disaster waiting to happen as we've seen time and time again.
>helicopters are insanely dangerous >something between a helicopter and a plane is in between the safety levels of the two
i am fully demoralized and have completely forgotten that russia is hemorrhaging pilots and airframes at an insane rate due to the distraction before me
>Helicopters are insanely dangerous
Wrong, helicopters can autorotate to emergency landing if their engines fail.
Planes have redundancies and and can with the APU manage to glide into an emergency landing which is exactly what Captain Sully did when he crash landed in the Hudson River.
.S.CoastGuard
The problem with an Osprey, when hovering it relies on contra rotation in place of a tail rotor to control torque.
When tilting the Blades from hover to verticle flight mode and reverse is when most accidents have occurred.
The opposing forces creating bad air around the aircraft to cause a loss in lift and tragically a loss in life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person i don't care about your pet buggaboo, and no helicopters are not suddenly super safe simply because autorotation exists
make your osprey thread and sperg out there
2 years ago
Anonymous
^ This is why the /k/ is going/ gone to shit. The average i.q. here is in the double digits.
You try and have a discussion on the matter of what is a stall, why it occurred, previous examples of, and use examples of other military aircraft that suffer (have a reputation for) from constant stalling and you get a post that thinks the world is based on video game physics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>literally just post distractionbait.jpg >NOO I WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT STALL
dude... anyone can see your posts and prove that's not the case. besides which, why the frick would you post about a weirdo bird like osprey to talk about a conventional stall?
Looks that way, I've seen it before
Here is a B52 doing the exact same manoeuvre and as it's larger we can study exactly what happens almost frame for frame.
here's a post actually using a proper allegory to talk about stall
https://i.imgur.com/vt1pi5j.jpg
God damn, at least it only killed the pilot these machines are blenders.
here's you being a fricking Black person posting distraction bait
2 years ago
Anonymous
>here's a post actually using a proper allegory to talk about stall
Exactly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so? >i posted that thing you used as an example of a decent post, so you can't call out my shitpost as a shitpost
what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have posted nothing but low effort shitposts, you're hardly the one to be the arbiter of what other anons post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your mom is the arbiter of sucking my dick, now kindly shut the frick up
2 years ago
Anonymous
Go back to your discord and get your updated narrative. You have no interest in /k/ or guns or military machines, you're here simply to shitpost and it shows in every post you make.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sorry i don't make quality posts like "literally every airframe crashing is an excuse to b***h about the Osprey" like you, wow incredible
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aaaaaaaaand.... what happens when you lose your tail rotor?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What happens when you lose your main rotor? What even is this question?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What happens to a plane when it loses its tail control surfaces? It's fricked either way if you go that far.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>When titling blades is when most accidents happen
This isn't true though, I can't think of a single accident in wich that was the case. The vast majority of osprey accidents happen when one turbine transmission slips and forces the combining gear from the other engine to drive the rotor who's engine slipped. Actually it's when the troony greengages that causes the issues. One side loses power for a split second and then suddenly regains power. If it happens close to the ground on say landing or takeoff the pilot has a fraction of a second to register what's happening and correct. Otherwise the plane will dip it's wing into the ground or even flip over, as you can see in a couple videos of crashes
Full payload, no speed or height(enemy AA ack), still immediately banks, probably looking at flight leader rather than thinking, right into his vortexes. Zero lift, height or speed resources to use, so splat. Must be less than 100 TOTAL flight hours to be doing this.
They were on a vital mission to false-false flag Belgorod in order to mobilize russia and thusly reenact 1917. No amount of murder will convince a russian to move unless he believes his own country is doing while pretending not to.
There probably isn’t any form of EGPWS on a frog foot. It’s really more of a gps based transport category airplane thing that started with western airliners a few decades ago.
and this one is a su-30 shot down over izyum. It looks like ukrainians developed revolutionary tactic (moving your AD assets along with advancing troops)
>It looks like ukrainians developed revolutionary tactic (moving your AD assets along with advancing troops)
What a novel concept!
[...]
I'm sorry Krautbros
If Germans weren't such pussies about giving them Gepards earlier, it probably would have saved hundreds of Ukranian lives.
I think Germany and France are just beyond redemption at this point. They fricked up.
Interesting that the SU-25 and SU-34 crashed around the same time in friendly territory. Is this a case of bad luck or have the airframes been degraded enough that they're now more likely crash?
given the apparent state of Russian corruption I would bet some variation of the latter. wouldn't be surprised if there are more accidents that don't get reported and that they don't have as many air frames as they claim.
Russian aviation is nearly as bad as their navy.
It’s clear that their airforce is a shadow of the “official” size, with most active elements being in rough shape as well.
Oryx is not a reliable count of air losses since they happen far from the attacker and rarely get recorded.
For the tourists, this is what happens when higher-ups protect hotdogging buttholes from being thrown off pilot status because "muh hard-charging Real Pilot!!"
WHY DOES THESE FRICKING Black folk ALWAYS AIM THE CAMERA AWAY AT THE CRITICAL MOMENT????
>On 10 March 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range, to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL; during the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m). >Clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m).
In a low altitude manoeuvre? No chance.
Think of the time it takes to unbuckle your safety harness, to open the rear hatch, to strap on a parachute, not to mention the time to actually get from the front to the rear of the aircraft when it's flying steady it takes a good two minutes because it won't be a straight line there will be equipment and doors in the war.
Parachutes also have a deployment time as they actually fill with air and this even takes time to slow you
at low altitude, unless you're using the correct type of parachute, it's going to be useless. Less than useless, if you need to take a bunch of time to suit up.
It's why pilots in a lot of situations generally prefer to try for a crash landing
B-52 has ejection seats, and if you squint you can see an ejection attempt made just before the plane smacks the ground. Way too late for it so the crewmember just splattered into the ground anyway.
Looks that way, I've seen it before
Here is a B52 doing the exact same manoeuvre and as it's larger we can study exactly what happens almost frame for frame.
I never thought it would be as much of an issue on Russian MRAPs because they don't seem like the centre mass would be as high up as it is on western MRAPs. Perhaps at a cost to standoff distance between the hull and an IED.
By and large they seem to have similar profiles to normal trucks
I have heard it was said the Taliban overcame the bottom shaped V hulls of the MRAPs by detonating their IEDs on the left or right outside of the vehicle as to tip the vehicle in the opposite direction, knowing they couldn't blow it up they changed tactic into simply overturning them knowing the logistics required to right them would bog (tie up) down a convoy allowing their fighters to move in for an assault.
It already has turned on them in February. There were reports of russian soldiers getting frostbites and cold because they didn't have winter clothing and boots.
I doubt there the primary cause of the crash was a mechanical issue, these types of accidents are almost always pilot error.
My first guess is that 2 got out of position and tried to overcorrect back to lead's wing, then got spatial disorientation leading to that sick over-bank. Once he passed over 80-90 degrees he was already dead.
I don't think wake turbulence played much of a factor, since it doesn't appear from the camera angle that 2 was directly behind lead's wings at any point. He appears to go really high on lead, then dip down and overbank leading to the crash.
Someone in a different one of these threads that showed a green Su-25 getting rekt said that Russian Su-25s are green and all gray Su-25s are Ukrainian. So which one is it? At least one of the two crashes is Ukrainian, and at least one of the posters was lying.
the two tone color scheme with the lighter belly is easily distinctive, moron. yes it "should" look green, that's because it's a shitty unsaturated video
[...]
You can clearly see the star if you pause at the right frame
Three posts, three different answers. Which of you are lying? >hint: all three
>Both Ukraine and Russia have full grey and green/brown camo Frogfoots (Frogfeet?)
So you mean the guy in that other thread was lying when he claimed the footage of a Ukrainian Su-25 pilot ejecting into the ground was actually Russian because of the paint scheme?
the two tone color scheme with the lighter belly is easily distinctive, moron. yes it "should" look green, that's because it's a shitty unsaturated video
>The Russians meme magic'd "it was an accident, Ukraine doesn't blow up our shit" into an actual plane crash
God help us if they figure out how to weaponize it.
>Tower, this is Voldkachug One, my wingman is of having just gone down, please be of advising, over. >Roger that, Voldkachug One, proceed with mission, over. >... Da, tower, Voldkachug One out.
look how fricking dirty them engines burn
are they using coal?
You can see that the black smoke stops leaving the engine during the sharp bank before it crashes.
So it looks like BOTH engines cut out, perhaps because of the wake of crossing close behind the other aircraft or just because it was too much of a maneuver to make at that low speed.
"exposed"
homie you got fricking quiet for a few days after the breakthrough at balakliya
Like actually quiet
It was better that way
Maybe you should smash your router or go lay down flat in a hole somewhere so you can continue to be quiet
or a russian shill, yes.
The people who are tired of ukraine posting just want people to shut up, they don't say stupid dramatic shit like "UKrAInE SHiLLs GoT QuEIT AFteR GEttING ExPosed!!!11!"
BANK ANGLE
BANK ANGLE
moron
moron
moron
simply regrouped into the soil
Tactical feint, fooled you gullible westerners
left engine failure ?
Maybe. DCS might have to update their flight models because I've brought a Su 25 back missing a lot more than just one engine.
having an engine fail on takeoff while you're heavy and just barely above stall speed is different from having one fail when you're high and fast. if you stall at this altitude there is generally no recovery. the only time I've recovered a stall this low in DCS was in the P-51, did an accelerated stall on the deck and managed to level it out after 2-3 pirouettes. but that shit was only possible because I was going like 300mph to begin with.
I doubt it, some right stick to level out the plane and the aircraft could at least coast on one engine. Instead, it just nose dives.
Hydraulics failure in ailerons maybe? Claps out during the bank meaning the pilot can't reorient the aircraft, aircraft yaws over as it stalls?
something happened before the bank started, the plane jerked upwards mid-corner
>ohshitformationtooclose
>pull stick
>dipped wing stalls
>so that's how you do a hammerhe-ACK
most likely vortex generated by squad leader
My thought, bad position.
Pulls up quickly to gain altitude/distance from the other jet
>loses speed
then initiates a hard turn with the wings close to 90' to the ground
>loses lift
The aircraft is now going too slow and at the wrong angle to generate enough lift and it's control surfaces are unable to turn it over because it's now falling towards the ground sideways and the airflow isnt fast enough to impart force on the aircaft.
This is what happens when you have pilots with next to no flight hours in an aircraft and when you can't afford/don't have the technology for a simulator. It's like watching someone try to fly on KSP with a keyboard for the first time.
KSP planes are harder than any real life plane to fly. It's either 0 or 100% turns unless you have a joytick lmao
You can press caps lock and turn on sensitive controls which make the control axis increase gradually instead of instantly...
not anon you replied to but what the frick why has nobody ever told me this
Because you went to a Russian flight school
>lol, reading is for nerds, time to do some sickass stunts
>WE GAAN
https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Key_bindings
OUTTA THE WAY KERBAL FRICKING SHITS
no way he's king, SkyKing is King.
At least SkyKing only killed himself and didn't break the runway.
absolutely based
I have like 200 hours on that game and i didn't know this? Am i just stupid... don't answer that.
I’m a professional pilot and while I have my suspicions about this wreck I can’t really be too sure. Could have been an engine problem, control problem, wingtip vortices off the lead, or even spatial disorientation. All that being said I am unsure at best. But good on you for one man NTSBing your way to the truth, nice work.
Well if I put my NTSB hat on... My primary cause for the crash was pilot error-induced overbank leading to a loss of lift close to the ground. Contributing factors included spatial disorientation, pilot fatigue, pilot inexperience, and lackluster training.
Lmao that's some "it's my first time playing Microsoft's Flight Simulator"-tier shit. Russia really is just a cargo cult.
it was a storm
>with a keyboard
All the best pilots in arma fly with keyboard tho
That's because ARMA lets you pull sick 15g turns into post stall maneuvers, it's not exactly a flight sim.
imagine the ammount of vodka this moron drank before flying
Tactical feint
Pilot took a smoke break
no panic
Why would they upload this
can't stop gopniks from sending everything on telegram
Ivan films and sends the video to his friend sergei,
>blyat sergei look what just happened in our base
Sergei sends it to his friends, and so on ...
>opsec? Never heard of it
showing off the most skilled russian pilot
is he OK?
He suffered a significant emotional event.
t. chieftain
I think some Russian aircraft are fitted with automatic ejection systems specifically because this shit keeps happening, but I don't know if SU-25s are afforded them.
He was inverted by the time he would know to eject. Definitely deadeded
At that angle and altitude? The ejection will just put you in the ground faster.
I thought Russian ejection seats were famous for "0/0" performance.
Most of the time the warnings aren't needed. It takes serious incompetence to ram into a mountain without noticing it a bit beforehand.
Note the "most", that means "not all".
0/0 implies being on the ground and not upside down. If the pilot ejected the moment he started the overbank he might've been successful, but the moment he went inverted he was already dead.
Ukrop planes
hahahahahahaa
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>do stupid fancy "let's take off at the same time really close together" formation for no reason
>kill a pilot
I really want Russia to stop existing so this embarrassing shitshow can finally be over.
Honestly the loss of a qualified pilot is even worse than losing the jet.
"""""qualified"""" pilot
>Qualified pilot
You can meme about the quality of their pilot training all you want, but it doesn't change how the RUAF probably spent a good amount of money on this unfortunate pilot, and all of that money is now in the trash. On the bright side, at least some oligarch gets to embezzle the pilot's life insurance payout for a new yacht.
The plane crashed because of pilot error. The pilot banked too hard while flying too slow and forgot that wings only pull you up when flying level or in a high speed turn.
>do stupid fancy "let's take off at the same time really close together" formation for no reason
you stupid fricking reddit invader, I know you're one. shut the frick up. military planes take off in pairs all the fricking time. it's literally bog standard practice that has been going since before ww2. there's nothing fancy about it, it's basic airmanship
It also adds a considerable amount of risk for metal hitting metal. There are very few practical reasons for combat aircraft to perform a wing takeoff these days. Only one I can think of is that they're taking off into weather, and the aircraft doesn't have the capability track the lead aircraft with radar or other electronic means. Otherwise for a clear day, there's no reason to take off in an interval then reassemble the formation in the air.
Time, it's done for time. You take off separately it requires two aircraft to taxi and be cleared for take off separately and then time for linking up in the air.
In war seconds matter.
Even if taking off in an interval, the takeoff clearance is always for the formation. Also formation assembly is not time-consuming process at all, especially if there are turns along the route of flight that allow 2 to easily catch up using geometry.
>You take off separately it requires two aircraft to taxi and be cleared for take off separately
Incorrect. The formation will taxi together and be cleared for takeoff together regardless of the takeoff method. ATC always treats formations like one plane even if they're a mile apart from one another.
>It also adds a considerable amount of risk for metal hitting metal
No, it adds a negligible amount of risk because militaries do it literally all the time. By literally I mean it, nearly every flight with more than 1 plane will take off in pairs, very few exceptions. And multiple pairs will take off one after the other.
Stupid dilettante Black person homosexual. You already exposed yourself, stop talking out your ass on topics you know nothing about. Back to whichever /r/shithole you crawled out of yesterday.
Watch videos of Red Flag or other large military air exercises, and most if not all fighter aircraft take off in close intervals instead of on each other's wing. Only exception would be the A-10, since they don't have radars to track their leading aircraft. Wing takeoffs are only done for training or to maintain formation integrity when taking off into weather. Also frig off I know what I'm talking about >:(
Arma footage
look how fricking dirty them engines burn
are they using coal?
russian subhumans don't understand the concept of mainteinance
Nah, they come like that from the factory. And russian engines don't really live long enough for them to put off maintenance. Overhaul is every like 40 hours or some shit.
Shit happens. Got back and check US aircraft losses during the Vietnam era and see how many are non operational.
Russians are well known for burning coal, Anon.
Russian engines are smokey. Smokeless engine tech is weirdly difficult to develop and needs a lot of metallurgical knowledge. Hence only a few western countries have them. The Chinese have been bragging about devloping their first smokeless engines recently.
Convenient pan away.
No proofs of crash.
Yes, explosion after pan was just detonation of confiscated cigarettes. SU-25 made it back to base under its own power.
.webm
Holly ducking sit
Also ty webm poster
Damn, are russians just idiots, unfit for living?
the average IQ in russia is lower than 80
>Bank angle!
>Bank angle!
>Terrain terrain, pull up!
>Terr
what a fricking camera operator
God damn, at least it only killed the pilot these machines are blenders.
even marine slayer 22 has fewer crashes per sorties even if this was the only russian su-25 crash of the war
You couldn't pay me to fly in an Osprey, it's an interesting concept but the complex maintenance required for contra rotation combine that with tilt mechanisms and add in the total mass, it's a disaster waiting to happen as we've seen time and time again.
>helicopters are insanely dangerous
>something between a helicopter and a plane is in between the safety levels of the two
i am fully demoralized and have completely forgotten that russia is hemorrhaging pilots and airframes at an insane rate due to the distraction before me
>Helicopters are insanely dangerous
Wrong, helicopters can autorotate to emergency landing if their engines fail.
Planes have redundancies and and can with the APU manage to glide into an emergency landing which is exactly what Captain Sully did when he crash landed in the Hudson River.
.S.CoastGuard
The problem with an Osprey, when hovering it relies on contra rotation in place of a tail rotor to control torque.
When tilting the Blades from hover to verticle flight mode and reverse is when most accidents have occurred.
The opposing forces creating bad air around the aircraft to cause a loss in lift and tragically a loss in life.
Black person i don't care about your pet buggaboo, and no helicopters are not suddenly super safe simply because autorotation exists
make your osprey thread and sperg out there
^ This is why the /k/ is going/ gone to shit. The average i.q. here is in the double digits.
You try and have a discussion on the matter of what is a stall, why it occurred, previous examples of, and use examples of other military aircraft that suffer (have a reputation for) from constant stalling and you get a post that thinks the world is based on video game physics.
>literally just post distractionbait.jpg
>NOO I WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT STALL
dude... anyone can see your posts and prove that's not the case. besides which, why the frick would you post about a weirdo bird like osprey to talk about a conventional stall?
here's a post actually using a proper allegory to talk about stall
here's you being a fricking Black person posting distraction bait
>here's a post actually using a proper allegory to talk about stall
Exactly.
so?
>i posted that thing you used as an example of a decent post, so you can't call out my shitpost as a shitpost
what?
You have posted nothing but low effort shitposts, you're hardly the one to be the arbiter of what other anons post.
your mom is the arbiter of sucking my dick, now kindly shut the frick up
Go back to your discord and get your updated narrative. You have no interest in /k/ or guns or military machines, you're here simply to shitpost and it shows in every post you make.
sorry i don't make quality posts like "literally every airframe crashing is an excuse to b***h about the Osprey" like you, wow incredible
Aaaaaaaaand.... what happens when you lose your tail rotor?
What happens when you lose your main rotor? What even is this question?
What happens to a plane when it loses its tail control surfaces? It's fricked either way if you go that far.
>When titling blades is when most accidents happen
This isn't true though, I can't think of a single accident in wich that was the case. The vast majority of osprey accidents happen when one turbine transmission slips and forces the combining gear from the other engine to drive the rotor who's engine slipped. Actually it's when the troony greengages that causes the issues. One side loses power for a split second and then suddenly regains power. If it happens close to the ground on say landing or takeoff the pilot has a fraction of a second to register what's happening and correct. Otherwise the plane will dip it's wing into the ground or even flip over, as you can see in a couple videos of crashes
You now remember that Chinook rotors pass in between each other during operation aka 225 near-misses a minute.
Everyone survived that crash though
The guy in front of the camera at the very end has a nice jacket.
stolen
Full payload, no speed or height(enemy AA ack), still immediately banks, probably looking at flight leader rather than thinking, right into his vortexes. Zero lift, height or speed resources to use, so splat. Must be less than 100 TOTAL flight hours to be doing this.
I want to smack the cameraman in the back of his head.
Wing clipped, you can clearly see it. round 10 sec mark.
did the pilot try to eject at the very last second?
PULL UP PULL UP
That's a Ukrainian su25. Russian air superiority is like Haki in One-piece, not every airplane can stand near it.
All Gray + Russian flag on tail = UA Air Force 100% Trust Me Bro
They were on a vital mission to false-false flag Belgorod in order to mobilize russia and thusly reenact 1917. No amount of murder will convince a russian to move unless he believes his own country is doing while pretending not to.
No, Ukrainian. Russia uses rocket artillery and cruise missiles instead. Just as deadly, but more efficient since you don't have to train pilots.
I can't imagine a pilot stress level on hearing some of these warnings.
>terrain, terrain, terrain, pull up, pull up
>Soviet war machinery having any kind of safety warning to increase survival
lol
lmao even
Maybe this will help with imagining:
?t=117
>German pilot
>Italian copilot
Wholesome
It's Russian though.
That means the speaker for the warnings is broken.
Terrifying.
There probably isn’t any form of EGPWS on a frog foot. It’s really more of a gps based transport category airplane thing that started with western airliners a few decades ago.
?t=34
Probably most accurate out there
If you are flying for a non-shit airforce the autopilot will save you from such a death.
>davai, davai, blyat, blyat, WOOP WOOP
it's just regrouping comrade
Are we getting down to kamikaze level of poliot skill?
NEW CHARACTER
Russian FOOOOOORMATIONER
>cant take off without formation
also, picrel (presumably su-34) is a confirmation of third russian jet downed due to friendly fire
Not so friendly, I'm affraid
Go in like the US Marshal and his three daughters.
and this one is a su-30 shot down over izyum. It looks like ukrainians developed revolutionary tactic (moving your AD assets along with advancing troops)
Truly ISIS-American tactics.
Funfact: That was done by a Gepard.
proofs?
thats what ukrainians said
I'm sorry Gepard. I'm sorry Krautbros.
If Germans weren't such pussies about giving them Gepards earlier, it probably would have saved hundreds of Ukranian lives.
I think Germany and France are just beyond redemption at this point. They fricked up.
You need training to operate specialized anti aircraft weaponry.
Just kill your self moron.
Frick off, moron.
Ukraine JUST recently, like the past 2 weeks, got their first Gepards.
Germany dragged their feet on it.
Black person
>It looks like ukrainians developed revolutionary tactic (moving your AD assets along with advancing troops)
What a novel concept!
I'm sorry Krautbros
Interesting that the SU-25 and SU-34 crashed around the same time in friendly territory. Is this a case of bad luck or have the airframes been degraded enough that they're now more likely crash?
given the apparent state of Russian corruption I would bet some variation of the latter. wouldn't be surprised if there are more accidents that don't get reported and that they don't have as many air frames as they claim.
Given it's Crimea, they have probably heavily overused them to stop ukr offensive. Also rus maintenance is shit
Russian aviation is nearly as bad as their navy.
It’s clear that their airforce is a shadow of the “official” size, with most active elements being in rough shape as well.
Oryx is not a reliable count of air losses since they happen far from the attacker and rarely get recorded.
HAHA STUPID HOHOLS now you can't claim you shot it down
SAMIR, LISTEN TO ME, YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME SAMIR, YOU ARE BREAKING THE PLANE
Looks like too much bank and he may have got into his lead wingman's wake turbulence which made the bank put him in a stall.l 50ft AGL. RIP in pieces.
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WOOP WOOP
moron
WOOP WOOP
moron
Why is the Orlan drone filming it so close to the ground?
For the tourists, this is what happens when higher-ups protect hotdogging buttholes from being thrown off pilot status because "muh hard-charging Real Pilot!!"
Shock.
what was he thinking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
>On 10 March 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range, to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL; during the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m).
>Clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m).
>ooh a penny
>Wow, I look SO cool! >Nyeeaarrrrrowwwwww!
>I bet everyone wishes they
ELEVATION. PULL UP
look mom, no hands!
For yuge planes and even C-130s can't everyone just abandon plane and jump with parachutes?
In a low altitude manoeuvre? No chance.
Think of the time it takes to unbuckle your safety harness, to open the rear hatch, to strap on a parachute, not to mention the time to actually get from the front to the rear of the aircraft when it's flying steady it takes a good two minutes because it won't be a straight line there will be equipment and doors in the war.
Parachutes also have a deployment time as they actually fill with air and this even takes time to slow you
at low altitude, unless you're using the correct type of parachute, it's going to be useless. Less than useless, if you need to take a bunch of time to suit up.
It's why pilots in a lot of situations generally prefer to try for a crash landing
B-52 has ejection seats, and if you squint you can see an ejection attempt made just before the plane smacks the ground. Way too late for it so the crewmember just splattered into the ground anyway.
Remember kids, you can stall an aircraft at any speed or altitude.
>you can stall an aircraft at any speed
no you can't, only up to maneuvering speed (Va)
WHY DOES THESE FRICKING Black folk ALWAYS AIM THE CAMERA AWAY AT THE CRITICAL MOMENT????
Probably too distracted with the view to focus on filming
turning flight stall?
Looks that way, I've seen it before
Here is a B52 doing the exact same manoeuvre and as it's larger we can study exactly what happens almost frame for frame.
No wonder they canceled the airshow. Had these frickups tried making an z formation they would likely lost a couple of planes
What the frick are they doing? Russia is losing the war against fricking gravity, trees and roads at this point
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1569253480321396736
NATO weather control weapons are capable of creating gentle breezes up to 3 km/h in speed.
Inflatable russian weaponry is no match.
iirc tip angle was a major issue when MRAPs were initially coming out in the US, apparently Russia isn't very far along in this regard
I never thought it would be as much of an issue on Russian MRAPs because they don't seem like the centre mass would be as high up as it is on western MRAPs. Perhaps at a cost to standoff distance between the hull and an IED.
By and large they seem to have similar profiles to normal trucks
I have heard it was said the Taliban overcame the bottom shaped V hulls of the MRAPs by detonating their IEDs on the left or right outside of the vehicle as to tip the vehicle in the opposite direction, knowing they couldn't blow it up they changed tactic into simply overturning them knowing the logistics required to right them would bog (tie up) down a convoy allowing their fighters to move in for an assault.
which makes the taliban smarter than russians
Jesus, what lack of training and discipline does to a mf.
I suddenly remember my Charlemagne: "Let my armies be the rocks, and the trees, and the density of air in the sky"
Wait until their greatest ally turns on them.
It already has turned on them in February. There were reports of russian soldiers getting frostbites and cold because they didn't have winter clothing and boots.
I doubt there the primary cause of the crash was a mechanical issue, these types of accidents are almost always pilot error.
My first guess is that 2 got out of position and tried to overcorrect back to lead's wing, then got spatial disorientation leading to that sick over-bank. Once he passed over 80-90 degrees he was already dead.
I don't think wake turbulence played much of a factor, since it doesn't appear from the camera angle that 2 was directly behind lead's wings at any point. He appears to go really high on lead, then dip down and overbank leading to the crash.
No day without Ruzzians being a complete and utter embarrassment
fighterbomber confirmed the pilot died
Thanks for the confirmation, but duh
He was too low to the ground to have survived
S
Always with the fricking Ladas
>the flames from the crash aren't put out yet and his car is already stolen by his squadmates
You can't make this shit up
Is Russian way cumrad.
>Be russian pilot
>Have keyring with english word on it
What?
Ummi, flyboyz die sometime
flyboyz don't like feet on ground like real way
noting to see here
ZAnon sisters??????
ive heard of ground attack aircraft but this is ridiculous
Someone in a different one of these threads that showed a green Su-25 getting rekt said that Russian Su-25s are green and all gray Su-25s are Ukrainian. So which one is it? At least one of the two crashes is Ukrainian, and at least one of the posters was lying.
You do realise neither country's air force has uniform camos, right? Both Ukraine and Russia have full grey and green/brown camo Frogfoots (Frogfeet?)
Three posts, three different answers. Which of you are lying?
>hint: all three
All me
>Both Ukraine and Russia have full grey and green/brown camo Frogfoots (Frogfeet?)
So you mean the guy in that other thread was lying when he claimed the footage of a Ukrainian Su-25 pilot ejecting into the ground was actually Russian because of the paint scheme?
the two tone color scheme with the lighter belly is easily distinctive, moron. yes it "should" look green, that's because it's a shitty unsaturated video
You can clearly see the star if you pause at the right frame
You're clearly a lying piece of shit.
I'm sorry that you can't afford glasses with your russian salary.
Nice damage control, lying shill.
Doesn't ukraine use that grey camo? Vid quality sucks ass so I can't tell what the flag is on the tail
>The Russians meme magic'd "it was an accident, Ukraine doesn't blow up our shit" into an actual plane crash
God help us if they figure out how to weaponize it.
>Tower, this is Voldkachug One, my wingman is of having just gone down, please be of advising, over.
>Roger that, Voldkachug One, proceed with mission, over.
>... Da, tower, Voldkachug One out.
You can see that the black smoke stops leaving the engine during the sharp bank before it crashes.
So it looks like BOTH engines cut out, perhaps because of the wake of crossing close behind the other aircraft or just because it was too much of a maneuver to make at that low speed.
The Ukraine shills disappeared real fast after getting exposed.
"exposed"
homie you got fricking quiet for a few days after the breakthrough at balakliya
Like actually quiet
It was better that way
Maybe you should smash your router or go lay down flat in a hole somewhere so you can continue to be quiet
>if you don't like obvious shills lying on the internet then you're a russian
or a russian shill, yes.
The people who are tired of ukraine posting just want people to shut up, they don't say stupid dramatic shit like "UKrAInE SHiLLs GoT QuEIT AFteR GEttING ExPosed!!!11!"
stalled