Russian Smerch 300mm Heavy MLRS

How does this thing compare to the HIMARS and which one would be better for a developing military to buy?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >which one would be better for a developing military to buy

    Literally Himars. Himars is far lighter and won't frick up your road. Literally the only problem with getting himars is whether or not you're buddies with uncle sam and uncle sam plays favorite in the guise of "maintaining regional stability"

    If you can't afford himars maybe try getting BM21 as babby first MRLS

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > BM21 as babby first MRLS
      Isn’t the BM21 an extremely old MLRS? I would probably just be better to not waste money on that all

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Edepro G2000/52 Missilies for the bm/21 has a Max range of about ~50km. When combining this with longe range drones that can be fairly cheap, it can be used with moderate succes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          These 300mm mlrs have a range of around 70-130 km and what about the damage that can be inflected by them?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe not og BM-21 but there are plenty of countries that produce modernized BM21 with better platform, FCS, munitions etc there's even a guided munition version

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          everything not guided in 122mm rockets is by default shit because of its cep and slow reload

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't understand the purpose of MLRS then. If you want a low CEP an even cheaper way is to use 155mm howitzer.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              saturation mlrs is only relevant if you want to create pic related.
              grad-type mlrs have been obsolete since 80s

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes that's what you want to do on enemy bases, airports, actual ports, literally any concentration of enemy forces, etc.

                People forget that all the major wars that were fought after gulf war were mostly limited wars where people have to behave themselves. That shit will be thrown out of the window in total war

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People forget that all the major wars that were fought after gulf war were mostly limited wars where people have to behave themselves.
                And that's exactly why it's moronic for a fledgling nation to into area denial weapons like Smerch. You have gone so far into the realm of fantasy that you unironically disproved your own argument without even realizing it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You make a relevant and valid point, please stop this shit in the future as you post on /k/, and call someone a Black person instead

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the ammunition isnt even worth producing and especially not worth the logistics effort if you already know only 1 in 100 rockets will hit anything relevant.
                grads have only prevailed because of its massive cold war stocks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                im samegayging here
                10 guided rockets with any kind of recon have more tactical and strategical worth than 500 grad rockets.
                but enough said i will let you in turdie BS worldview that more boom means more winning

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just looked at the recently updated google map of Ukraine and from the frontlines fields that look like that going from say Bakhmut going east look like pic related almost halfway to the border; it's insane.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the truck part is cool no cap

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looks like a child came up with the concept art

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It runs on Glonas which is already a massive downgrade compared to GPS. If you're a developing military you probably want something lighter and more mobile, too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      glonas, more like wienerinass

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >glonas, more like wienerinass
        No.
        Glonass is short for Glove In Ass.

        Because they are [Taking the Glove Off] and [It is in The Ass]

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's simple arithmetic
    300mm > 227mm
    8 wheels > 4 wheels

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which missile do you think is easier to produce or cheaper to buy? I feel like a developing military would only need a dozen or handful of these launchers to suffice their defense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based wheels enjoyer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They state XNMAPC has CEP of 400m at maximum range. I understand one would cherry pick for propoganda poster, but where do they get that crazy value from?

        Unrestricted ATACAMS striking at 500km with loss of guidance? OTOH they state 84km as maximum firing range. Or they just took the number for spread of submunitions?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I understand one would cherry pick for propoganda poster, but where do they get that crazy value from?
          This image predates ukraine getting ATACAMS, and only concerns the GMLRS munitions with the pre-formed tungsten fragments, no submunitions. Not even cluster 155mm shells were yet given to Ukraine at the point his image was released

          >...Or they just took the number for spread of submunitions?
          probably

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure but himars actually hits its target

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's no point in a developing military investing in MLRS. It's a strategic level weapon, it's not going to help you defend your country or flex your regional power in any way.
    The only sphere of battle where it starts to make sense is for a full-scale invasion force attacking a peer military.
    And no, it is not useful to compare the Smerch to the HIMARS, they are used completely differently and excel in different areas. Smerch has the largest payload of any MLRS system, because it's job is to be an area denial weapon. HIMARS has a much smaller payload, but is orders of magnitude more precise. HIMARS is high precision, long range artillery.
    As the other anon said, they should get BM21s or TOS-1s if they want to into MLRS area denial, but any competent military would see the benefits of a system like HIMARS.
    The problem is we're not going to give fledgling shitholes HIMARS, there's no point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > not going to help you defend your country
      > Smerch has the largest payload of any MLRS system, because it's job is to be an area denial weapon
      It literally sounds like these heavy mlrs are designed to protect a country from an incoming invasion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have no idea how regional conflicts happen.
        Want a regional conflict? Look up how the Taliban are dealing with ISIS. The threats to these regimes are almost always internal and ideological. An MLRS isn't going to stop a terror attack, it is a terror attack.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But aside from ideologically/internal threats, these weapon systems especially the Smerch, sounds perfect in fitting that role. Having maybe around 50 of these things moving and shooting around could probably stop an invasion in its early stages if things get that bad.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dumbass, there are 117 of these systems ON THE PLANET
            India has 50 of them, they have a population of 1.4 billion people.
            Do at least the most basic research, my god.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just build more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. "developing" country is a spectrum, from literal shithole like DRC to NICs like Malaysia, Chile or Turkey

                Do you think your comments are worth replying to?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the frick you're doing rn lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not replying to the content of your comment, but giving you a (you)?
                I thought the point in sharing your ideas was for others to engage and interact with them, now children like you are so starved of human contact you think someone saying "lol ur gey" is an actual conversation.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair, the western world is currently vastly under-equipped for any kind of actual war.
              117 were built because we didn't realize we should have made 1000.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only sphere of battle where it starts to make sense is for a full-scale invasion force attacking a peer military.
        Again, if a peer army takes one of your cities, you might well want to blanket that shit with MLRS hellfire, and you would see reasonable success. The problem is, that shit doesn't happen every day. And investing in the top of the line MLRS system instead of something that's "good enough" is a completely irrational thing for a developing country to do.
        What's the point in having Smerch if you don't have solid air defense, don't have bunkers to hide the thing in and don't have the budget to replace it when it inevitably gets destroyed?
        It's like getting your 16 year old son a brand new Porsche, but he doesn't have a driver's license and he can't afford the monthly payments. What's the fricking point?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that’s a good point but the equipment of the developing military can vary depending on what you define as developing. If they can develop the infrastructure and get the other equipment to support this weapon system I think it would be a good investment

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. "developing" country is a spectrum, from literal shithole like DRC to NICs like Malaysia, Chile or Turkey

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >rocket artillery
      >area denial
      Absolute moroniation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does the US Army not develop thermobaric missiles? Why does it not make a thermobaric rocket for the MLRS and HIMARS?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's got more wheels

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the design logic behind that wienerpit? It looks really unusual but cool.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The logic is 'take soviet design and keep bolting shit on'

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has an offset cabin because it's a modified ICBM TEL. The 300mm tubes aren't as long as an ICBM so they had space left over to put a second one. What that second cabin is for, I don't know.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For a developing military, a long range missile or rocket system like this would be better applied as a strategic theater asset, in that case himars because it's lighter size, more accurate projectiles, and ease of operation away from supply lines and support crews would increase survivability, and also give you a theater advantage for striking strategic targets like muster points, ammo dumps, and other juicy targets that degrade your enemy's capability. SMERCH is for terrorizing partisans and blowing up apartment complexes.

    An investment of like 3 HIMARS would be worth it. Just make sure some el generallissimo doesn't coup your ass and use one to kill you and your family at your lakehouse one day. Also without extremely accurate intelligence capability, they're largely wasted, since you gotta know where the nice shit is, in order to blow it up. So invest in breaking the fog of war as best you can.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pretty porly. Himars is a light system bilt around being easily deployed and reloaded meanwhile the Russian sytem lacks all those things

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    smerch
    >slow reload
    >high cep (russians have to resort to cluster warheads so that there is a miniscule chance a full salvo can hit something in counter battery
    >300mm guided munitions? havent seen the russians using those much

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How does this thing compare to the HIMARS
    We don't know. Nobody saw it in action.
    On a more serious note where are they. I really can't recall seeing any footage of them either firing or being destroyed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine has only destroyed one of them so far from waist the sources say but they’re working s as intended. Destroying Ukrainian positions, infrastructure, apartments, etc and then scurrying away without anyone even noticing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they’re working s as intended. Destroying Ukrainian positions, infrastructure
        Any records of this?
        >Apartments
        More believable though

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Any records of this?
          No but I imagine that’s what they’re doing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it was real in my mind goy

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes I can imagine them shooting a couple of missiles and then driving away quickly

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fetal alcohol syndrome

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Himars costs like 10x of what Smerch does. It does not provide a 10x value. The answer is clear

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It does not provide a 10x value
      It provides even more.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not the fact that it wasn't even destroyed. Just damaged. Further proves my point.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Damaged enough to disrupt the logistics an cause the fall of the city. Smerch couldn't achieve the same results with its CEP.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        potholes man

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I should post this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I should post this too

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >which one would be better for a developing military to buy?
    PULS.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s shifty and obsolete, even korean or brazilian are better.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its kinda neat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it the only proof so far?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think this is the first webm I saw back when Ukraine put the doctrine of Total Artillery Death to work by putting HIMARs on counter-battery duties since there were no more ammo dumps in range.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly does it matter?
    I'd guess how good the given weapon system is is up to the rockets, the vehicle is just the firing mechanism.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Afaik the problem with HIMARS is that rockets are rare and hard to make, and Ukraine only has a handful of them, with the US not having much more either.

    No idea about the Smerch

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since Russia is winninig, i would said TornadoS is superior to himars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >controls less territories than 2 years ago
      I'd say Russia is copening.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the missiles you have to compare. Truck is a truck.

    Well maybe except for the moronic loading system where you need a whole another specialty truck parked in perfect alignment and load each rocket individually by hand. Whereas HIMARS can do this all own automatically loading entire pod with one action. And missile pods can be stashed across wide area by random trucks just dumping them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Truck is a truck.
      But, anon,

      https://i.imgur.com/QaLLjUL.jpeg

      Based wheels enjoyer

      the wheel numbers....

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More tires

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