Russian navy forcing the Bosphorus

If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they? Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait, and if they do, WOULD they? Ie, would they likely give way to a combination of diplomatic stalling tactics and other pressure from Russia?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That would mean attacking a NATO ally, which unfortunately means they won't ever do it, because if they did, there would be no ziggers left alive to discuss regretting their terrible decisions.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can Roaches swim? If they can just unleash a few billion of them into the water to crawl onto the ships.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There aren't billions of Turks, anon, what are you on about?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon have you looked at the strait?Do you really think that trying to sail through a 750m wide chokepoint is a good idea?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You could shoot an RPG-7 across that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >called strait
        >it's wiggly
        what the frick

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Turkey is a major producer of drone tech. Russia simply has no chance.

          '
          you're meant to drift around the curves

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >That apostrophe before the quoted post number
            This bothers me so much it's unreal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              *
              It's the first time I've seen such a typo and I've been here 16 years. I should do it more often.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                '
                No anon, leave him alone.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                `
                idk, it seems like it might be fun

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but FRICK YOU

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ^
                Why so hostile, anon?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            N-Nani? Ship dorifto??

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Strategic wobbles to force vessels to slow down so they can't blow through full steam ahead.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's called that because it's not into dudes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russian fleet would probably all crash on the first fricking bend.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's illegal for Turkey to charge money for passing, but they just charge money for guides, and everyone buys a guide. Don't want to hit a shallow.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They could set up some Coastal artillery

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You could shoot the bridge crews with fricking snipers from the shore.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Constantinople my beloved

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Constantinople my beloved
          I hate this larp so much. You have no religious, cultural or racial connection to the city.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine a fresh water Black Sea.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well I couldn't imagine a worse economically navigable strait to push through if I tried. You've got trees, hills, and houses on either side and the strait it'self is bendy enough that there's a real risk of running aground. You've got to go nice a slow while taking shots from hidden shore batteries from both sides.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Panama would be worse. You'd need to occupy the entire country of Panama to ensure the locks can function

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The United States could take it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          With a full carrier group, yeah. The airpower creates a cordon and blasts everything inside it to ash so that Marines can land unopposed and secure the shores out to artillery range

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            urban warfare is no joke. istanbul is a megapol with narrow streets full of extremely nationalistic people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they?
      no, it would be the most brutal turkey shoot (heh) in naval history. Turkey has anti-ship missiles and IIRC the biggest F-16 fleet in Europe, but as points out, you could probably close the strait with just 5-inch cannons and anti-tank missiles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but if we assume the Russians sail in a functioning action group with hundreds of interceptors between them it wouldn’t be an easy task to sink such a force with standard old-school anti-ship missiles, ie does Turkey have the ability to generate enough sorties in time to actually stop a serious action group in that way? Maybe if they could mine the Straits first but that would require seeing the Russians coming with the intent to force their way through.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it wouldn’t be an easy task to sink such a force with standard old-school
          Yes it would.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >assume
          We can also assume that you might not be a homosexual, but here we are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hundreds of interceptors
          lol, where are these hypothetical interceptors?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Kirovs have a few hundred and Slavas has a hundred or so each. A Russian surface action group could be a very tough nut to crack. The thing is, everyone in leadership has to assume that these ships will all work and military advisors will be advising them on worst-case scenarios. That’s how adults operate in the real world. Yes sure, maybe nothing works on Russian ships but NO ONE at a leadership level will bet their careers on that.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You are using the word "interceptor" very different to how I would have. Do you mean surface to air missiles or something?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's and ESL shitposter, anon. He wants us to assume that this whole war was a fluke, and the REAL Russian military isn't even involved.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So how did that hundred or so perform for Moskva again?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                After allowing the Ukrainians to hit them with NATO provided tactical nukes as a gesture of goodwill, the Moskva used its 1000 interceptors to pull it back to dock under its own power.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Moskva
                That ship was apparantly non-functional and literally couldn’t defend itself. None of the AD systems worked. It was just there to be seen, that’s it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >That ship was apparantly non-functional
                What the frick was it doing 80 km off the ukrainian coast then?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well they obviously couldnt tell the leader caste that the ship is dead in the water. So when monke orders it to go float off the coast it will

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Kirovs have a few hundred

              Active 1, so Kirov singular.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes but if we assume the Russians sail in a functioning
          let me stop you right there. why would we do that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ukranian wheat will have extra iron for centuries to come.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          well sure if they just teleport in with star destroyers or some shit, sure. why limit it to hundreds of fighters if we’re talking fantasy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Naval mines are cheap and quick to deploy. Maybe russia could use some of their mobiks to pull their ships overland to reach a river and shell warsaw or something

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe russia could use some of their mobiks to pull their ships overland to reach a river and shell warsaw or something
            It's called portage

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've seen that movie. It doesn't end well

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              herzog kino

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It worked for the OG Rus why shouldn't it work for them?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >that would require seeing the Russians coming with the intent to force their way through.
          Wow, you're right how would they ever see that coming? They'd just sneak their way up there undetected.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Buddy
          You wouldn’t NEED anti ship missiles. You could line up tanks and artillery and would be successful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Infantry platoons with enough mortars and rpg-7s could possibly mission-kill the ships, by damaging their radars and other sensors.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well yes, if by some magic Russia had a functioning fleet, and a functional air force and bases which that air force could fly from in range, then yes, yes they could lose all of that in the most moronic military adventure since General Custer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dude. See pic relevant? It's got more than enough range to fire straight ACROSS the straits at the narrow points, and eating a dozen or two is going to frick up any russkie rustbucket. Turkey has over 10,000 of those on storage, and it's hardly their only ATGM.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I want a face fishnet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well now you got me thinking. How many Cold War SACLOS ATGMs would it take to sink the Pyotr Velikiy? Probably not too many to put it out of action, sure. But how many would it take to sink the fricker?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              With SACLOS you can aim for the waterline which will make them far more effective. Given the poor state of the Russian navy, I think it would be a surprisingly small number of hits to get it to sink in the middle of the strait the block it with its bulk.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > . Given the poor state of the Russian navy, I think it would be a surprisingly small
                If you expect something, it's not surprising

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon I can expect them to be incompetent yet still be surprised by the levels of moronation the Russians display. It happens all the time. For example, you'd think they'd come up with a counter to those USVs sooner or later. Yet they keep losing ships.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it would require seeing the Russians coming
          google "satellite imaging" for me

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Any supposed russian fleet en route to Bosphorus would have to cross at least two other NATO-aligned straits, unless they take the scenic route all the way around asia and africa, then it goes down to one strait. You're fricking delusional

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >But listen me up, what if Russia was twenty times stronger than it is, and it was modern and competent?
          Yes, they might be able to pass through.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >parks a handful of rusty bulkers sideways in the mouth of Bosphorus
          congrats, you have now not only stalled the russian fleet for a week while they unfrick the situation, you have also cut off their vital trade route

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes but if we assume the Russians sail in a functioning action group
          Le Elmao.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russiaboos are the most cringe and are social rejects

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Naval mines.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >could they?
          No.

          You don't understand how narrow the strait is. You could genuinely hold it using heavy machineguns nevermind the shit Turkey has. There are also several massive chains which can be raised to physically arrest ships that are trying to move through.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >ywn live to see moron slavs trying to push through the straight only for the ghost of Constantine XI rise from the grave with a frick you chain
            why even live...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Forget ASCMs, *ATGMs* are well within range of any ship passing through. Imagine what a TOW would do to those nice, exposed box launchers on most Russian warships.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes but if we assume the Russians sail in a functioning action group with hundreds of interceptors between them
          and if we assumed they had a thousand unicorn cavalry regiments lead by Joseph Stalin himself in reserve underneath the Urals, Russia will take Kiev in two more weeks. What's the point of assuming things that are not and cannot be true?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >require seeing the Russians coming
          Comrade moronovich, deploy our fleet of high speed cloaked surface ships at once! They shall sail from Severnaya to Istanbul in just one hour, powered by pure refined copium!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hundreds of interceptors between them
          Wat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Kirov has around 200, Slava around 100, and everything else has some significant amount. In theory.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >anti ship missiles and planes wont work
          oh dear. I guess they'll have to presight a bunch of arty on that choke point then. I guess they'll save some money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't believe people are falling for this. Bait used to be believable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >interceptors
          I do not think that word means what you think it means.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think it means what I’m pretty sure it means.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why don't you frick around and find out?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Forget every other weapon mentioned
          A couple of these bad boys from the museum could stop the Russian fleet dead in it's track by disabling one of the first ships in line

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Boom
            >Boom
            >Boom

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This is all it takes for an Ottoman great bombard to break into your home. What are you doing to protect your family?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Call Poland. I'm not sure what they're going to do but it'll definitely serve as a good distraction

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/9z29VdM.jpg

      >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they?
      no, it would be the most brutal turkey shoot (heh) in naval history. Turkey has anti-ship missiles and IIRC the biggest F-16 fleet in Europe, but as points out, you could probably close the strait with just 5-inch cannons and anti-tank missiles.

      They wouldn't even need anti-ship missiles, they could just park tanks, SPGs and ATGMs along the strait and have a field day shooting up Russian ships.
      And then the Turkish navy and airforce could play with whatever (if anything) comes out the other end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Churchill thought so (ha ha).

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Allies tried and failed that in WW1 when the way to stop boats was just to shoot them with big guns. There's plenty of better ways to destroy boats now and the Russian navy hasn't evolved much beyond that point.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was mainly a single minelayer
      >Nusret played a pivotal role in the Dardanelles Campaign, laying 26 mines in an unexpected position in February 1915 just prior to the ill-fated invasion which sank HMS Irresistible, HMS Ocean and the French battleship Bouvet, and left the British battlecruiser HMS Inflexible badly damaged.[2]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_minelayer_Nusret

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >All it took was 26 mines
        That's fricked.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And mines. Mustn't forget the mines.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        mustn't've forgotten

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would Erdo chicken out and want the US to decide if they should try and stop a Russian crossing attempt? Not that I think Russia would go so far as to open themselves to a serious treaty break and risk war with NATO just to shore up the Black Sea Fleet, but if the Ukies were to seriously threaten taking it back Russia may just try something like that. A functioning battle group in the Black Sea could seriously frick Ukraine in several ways; the fleet they had there turned out to be barely functional, ie, on paper only just for show with hardly any real combat functionality.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A functioning battle group
      Russia would first need to have one to utilize it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey takes their stewardship of the Strait extremely fricking seriously. It's basically the entire point their country exists in the modern age and why NATO even tolerates their bullshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Erdogan has shot down russian jets before, part of playing both sides is not bending over for either one, even if it's moronic of you. If russia tried to force the strait the watermellon seller would resist it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm from Germany so I know a few turks. They're easily angered and respect is a big thing for them. There's no way they'd stand down in such a situation.

      Hell, I've been confronted by turks who wanted to fight me because apparently I looked at them the wrong way in the club or the tram. Didn't even realize I had looked at them, as I was probably just afk and minding my own business, but they got mad as frick. Now imagine an actual serious provocation where they stand to lose face.. they'd btfo Russia so fast they wouldn't even see it coming.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They're the same in Australia. Usually very chill, but you have to be careful with the kind of banter that would usually play with Aussies, because they can take that shit verrrry serious. A bit like Latinos in that sense, real sense of pride/machismo.

        Losing control of the straits would be a national-level cucking, so they would never permit that kind of embarrassment. They would unironically sooner get nuked.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Weird, every turk I've met in Aus has been the nicest. I remember back when I was in uni, one I'd met like twice called me over and started talking to me creepily and said he wanted to give something to me. Thought I was gonna die or get raped, but turns out he just had a bunch of shirts he wanted to give me. Dunno why. The whole group were really nice to me and would just give me free shit all the time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're usually all good, I just find it funny that the go-to jokes that you'd make on a building site about blokes being gay, or something about their mum etc., will immediately result in any Turk or Leb arcing up and trying to stab you. Funny shit.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Mothers are sacred in turkey. Thats a no-go zone.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah good point. That's probably why I was fine. I've never been one for bantz unless I know what the exact reaction will be. Stepped into too many "my parents are dead" situations.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I live in an area with a lot of Turkish-Armenian diaspora and they act like this here but a bit more reserved because people will actually shoot strangers for getting violent here. They act like Latinos in that regard. Will be guarded and aren't completely stupid so will play dumb when judged but will definitely strike back if they think they are legitimately threatened or if they think they'll lose face in a way that will damage them long term. Given the sad state of Russian MIC and the fact that Turkey has a decent military, MIC and is NATO backed i'd say they would probably slap them pretty fricking hard. Not a death blow but would hurt them bad enough to remind them that fighting NATO at full force would wreck them irreversibly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They're the same in Australia. Usually very chill, but you have to be careful with the kind of banter that would usually play with Aussies, because they can take that shit verrrry serious. A bit like Latinos in that sense, real sense of pride/machismo.

          Losing control of the straits would be a national-level cucking, so they would never permit that kind of embarrassment. They would unironically sooner get nuked.

          Heh, yeah the Turkish-Latino cultural overlap is pretty true. They're pretty into face saving like Asians and hot tempered but they're not dumb enough to play their hand early but will pull overly macho shit if they feel threatened. Basically half way between high IQ and moron strength. Not really stupid like thirdies but are easy to anger like them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Turks are cancer regardless. Not as bad as all of the MENA though...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I live in one of the few parts of the US with a lot of Turks. They range from pretty cool to just annoying basically just Mexicans with lamb instead of birria. I'd say the real trouble comes from Arabs/Central Americans/Africans.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm from Germany so I know a few turks.
        why repeat yourself?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Last time Russians tested him he shot down a russian plane and had a russian ambassador assassinated in the most public of ways. No, he would not chicken out. He would sink every ship, assasssinate Lavrov and then play dumb and say "oops, it was syrian rebels that did the assassination".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This. When it comes to Rusnigs, Erdo has generally shown he won't blink.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And that's how you treat them. Any time they ape out, you beat them hard, you beat them into submission and you pretend you didn't even do it. If you beat them openly, they will scheme against you. If you try to appease them, they will think you beneath them. Only this combination of showing them up physically and socially makes them calm down.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unfathomably based.

        [...]

        They made the mistake of buying Russian Shit300s and now they need working air defence systems instead.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    At this point, Turkey probably has the largest navy in the Black Sea after the losses the Russian Black Sea fleet suffered.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How quickly do you homosexuals forget Turkey shooting down Russian aircraft.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      About as quickly as we forgot that time the Turkish government stirred up a mob to storm and seize a USAF nuke silo

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want to see them try lol. If we get 4K videos of it happening, it will be so good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the only drawback would be filling the strait with russian wrecks, possibly blocking it to other traffic

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The question I'd be more interested in is whether or not Russia still has crews for their fleets after sending them all to the frontlines. Have we seen Russias other fleets actually moving or doing anything in a while?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Pacific Fleet just participated in some multinational exercise I think.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Blocking the strait would be child's play for Turkey. Russia would have to take Istanbul to impose their will.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    probably not. the turks would build a wall with all the wreckage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Turks use the wreckage of the Black Sea Fleet to build a colossus astride the Bosphorus

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Normally I would consider that gauche, but in this case I would accept it.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >blocks your path

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Chain
      Raised

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, before they even get to the Bosphorus they've got to get through the Dardanelles.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it seems easy to me bro. Just cross not one but two extremely narrow straits while you are fired on by thousands of ASMs, tube artillery, rocket artillery, tanks and ATGMs, not to mention air force. Somehow the Russian Fleet, which is incapable of blocking Ukraine from shipping grain can magically do this without any air support.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if it were me I wouldn't even contest the first straight, let them all in to try and force the second and then close the first behind them. the Russians could appreciate a good cauldron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Turkey would almost certainly do that. Having the narrows clogged up with burning Russian ships would be a disaster for European commerce.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can see them letting them into the Sea of Marmara just to be sure they are serious. The Vatniks would be posting endless XAXAXA threads as they sail through the Dardanelles. Then once inside Turkey asks them to surrenderz turn off all radars and weapons and sail to port for detainment. When they don't do it the turkey shoot and the cope begins. It would be a huge display of Russophobia, but the fleet was old and not needed anyway, missiles actually cost more.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Turns out there were underwater tunnels in the Sea of Marmara and all Russian ships submerged and returned to their Baltic Sea ports under their own power.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Turkroaches pulling a pic relevant
            LMAO.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, do an evergreen on them while they're crossing. Wait till they starve out. Collect your free Russian fleet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you ever want a ship that was maintained by russians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Russians would just go
      >XAXAXA we blocked the strait with the wreckages of our fleet and carcasses of our dead sailors (all old and not needed anymore)
      Copelord would also write a post about this genius move

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair, blocking the strait would actually be a pretty big nuisance for the world. Fair amount of exports coming out of there.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Has copelord commented on another ship lost?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why go through when you can of going aroundings? xaxaxaxa*~~

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Too conventional.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think there's a country there.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. Why would they do this? To escape from the black sea or to get more assets in?
    2. Turkey has a stronger black sea fleet than russia.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >could they
    Pushing naval vessels through a narrow passage has traditionally been problematic. For extra hilarity, consider the Blucher had more armor than any current Russian ship and the weapons that sunk it are 100 years older than anything Turkey has.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >forcing the Bosphorus

    Hell the frick no. Iran's a bad neighbor and Transnistria link up is one step removed from compromising their control of it on the western side of the straight. So much as signaling such with their gay media antics saber rattling make them hard for blood on Poland's current level. The business they both transact via Turkey is keeping the lights on for Russia and isn't worth it.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oh boy can one of the least capable navies in human history force one of the most defensible naval passages in the world while triggering article 5? I fricking wonder

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait
    The Ottomans would have their revenge for WW1.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >russians try it
    >two Turkish tanks destroyed by Russian ship side CWIS, first javelin kill on a missile cruiser, one ship’s tower explodes when the radar picks up more incoming contacts than dead air and detonates, several overambitious Turks swim up to a ship and board it, most Turkish casualties are from intercepted missiles raining down on both parties, horde of drones so thick an SU-34 collides with a swarm midair and explodes
    Do it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >first javelin kill on a missile cruiser
      I almost sharted in my jorts from laughing at this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >javelin

      that would be karaok anon, turkey dont have javelins

      ?t=26

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have complete faith in our Turkish allies

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They would have to push not only through the Bosphorous, but the Dardanelles as well. The moment they were picked up by satellites and radar as approaching either strait without permission, they would be contacted and told to turn around. They would also have to fly AWACS and jet escorts over Turkish territory unless they wanted to be totally blind and without any air support.

    If they proceeded, they would get raped by the following, in no particular order:

    >The 2nd, 3rd and 5th Corps of the 1st Army, all of which are based within close reach of the Sea of Marmara, which could absolutely shred any ships with self-propelled or towed artillery, MLRS, even anti-tank missiles.
    >Minelayers (a flotilla is docked at Erdek in the Sea of Marmara, for this exact purpose).
    >The broader Turkish Navy, which is easily a peer of the Black Sea Fleet nowadays.
    >The Turkish air force, which includes 157 F-16C and 48 F-4E, which would be easily capable of raping any Russian vessel (especially given the Russian's evidently piss-poor detection, anti-air and damage control capabilities).

    As for the notion that the Baltic or Pacific Fleet could somehow breach from the west, how would they make it all the way to the straits without a serious diplomatic incident once they even reached the eastern Med?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"Prepare to fire artillery."
      >"But sir we are still in camp."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Sea of Marmara
      The sea of sea-sea

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It fricking STUNS me that ANYONE is suggesting the Russians even CONTEMPLATING forcing their way through Turkish waters. Even if you ignore all of the aircraft, anti ship missiles, and THEIR ENTIRE NAVY, you still have to deal with everything from their artillery to some random Turk with a recoilless rifle. The straight is like a km wide at points. You'd have to sanitize literally the entire place 10+ km out of any human activity lest a single suicidal Turkish forward observer crawls through the mud and wrecked tanks to spot for a single artillery piece.

    IMO you could land (not capture, but land) on a piece of Japanese coast and hold it for a short period with higher probability than forcing your way out of the Black Sea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Like I know the term wienerroach is used for terms in a derogative sense but considering how fricked the terrain of that country is it's an appropriate term. Someone who sits in that fricking nightmare of a country and decides to defend it is not human. The British Empire found this out 100 years ago we don't need to see the Russians try Dollar Store D-Day to know how it'd end.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >considering how fricked the terrain
        Isn't turkey supposed to be pretty beautiful? I mean sure it's full of muslims, but that's not the terrain's fault.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah not even Russia is that stupid. No one that wasn't planning on annexing all of Turkey would attempt such a thing and it would only be attempted after both shorelines are secured. Even then you'd still be at constant risk going through it from gorilla fighters with both sea and air drones.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly the USSR circa 1960 and US circa 1960 both could have done it. It would have involved glassing the country, repeatedly, at random times. Once there isn't a single functional system of government above neighborhood watch level, you can land.

        >considering how fricked the terrain
        Isn't turkey supposed to be pretty beautiful? I mean sure it's full of muslims, but that's not the terrain's fault.

        That country is fricking cursed. Iran is similar. I mean yeah it's beautiful but frick actually trying to land troops there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah not sure I'd want to do a landing there. Wouldn't mind having a swim and reading a book there though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also, full offense to the OP of this thread, if you can't even protect a bridge and a few random patrol boats how the frick do you think you're going to force your way through the strait?

            It's on my bucket list. Beautiful country, absolutely gorgeous. I'd only slightly prefer being an ANZAC in WW1 near Gallipoli over being in Ukraine as a Russian mobik right now though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >not even Russia is that stupid
        I have heard that one before...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But muh ace combat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it helps to have jesus in a jetfighter on your side

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it helps to have jesus in a jetfighter on your side

        At this point the average Ace Combat player likely has more flight experience than actual RuAF pilots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >IMO you could land (not capture, but land) on a piece of Japanese coast and hold it for a short period with higher probability than forcing your way out of the Black Sea
      The United States didn't have a problem doing it while keeping it main force fightjng on two different continents at the same time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you believe modern Russia is, in any way, comparable to the US in WW2?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          well they probably still have some of that lend lease shit laying around

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait, and if they do, WOULD they?
    they wouldnt have to lol

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In love how everyone memory-holed Turkey’s performance in Syria. Lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't realise Syria was inside the middle of Turkey and part of its greatest political asset.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is this why turkey controls quarter of syria? why russia dont help their puppet in damascus to retake those lands from tr?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We'll have a tank sinking a warship

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well if they want to they've now got to do it without Sergey Kotov

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they? Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait, and if they do, WOULD they?
    Bruh the Bosporus is tight. I could stand there on a park bench with a Mosin shooting at sailors.
    Just a few floating restaurants tied with chains would block it. You could hold it with black gunpowder cannons.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Considering recent events I actually think that Turkey should let russian ships through.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the cope is that Turkey will just drop 100 years of practice and let the Russians through because nook nook or something

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, because Ukraine has means to sink them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nah that's just inviting bad actors. The strait remains closed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, because Ukraine has means to sink them.

      They should work behind the scenes with Ukraine to set up a trap for the Russian ships after they pass through. Just unlimited ship drone works or something.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think that Turkey played it's role in Moskva sinking.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What did Turkey do? I thought Moskva was just horribly manned and maintained so when something was fired at them, there was just nothing they could do about it.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anon, at this point they're not even forcing the Black Sea

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whole reason Turkey has anything to say on the political world stage boils down to them controlling the Bosphorus and Dardanelles.

    Would Turkey be able to stop a concerted push?
    no idea, but they most certainly will do their best

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine all the bayraktar footage we'd get

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would be extremely painful

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    turkey can beat russia in full scale defensive war without help ley alone defending bosphorus.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they? Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait, and if they do, WOULD they? Ie, would they likely give way to a combination of diplomatic stalling tactics and other pressure from Russia?

    Apart from nukes; I legitimately think that Turkey could defeat the entirety of the Russian armed forces. I want to see their upgraded M60s, F4s and hand full of Kaans fighting the T62 Obr2024, new MiGs and the half dozen Su57s in service.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >MODERINIZATION
      >TURET
      this is just some turks wetdream

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    current ships are not armored and they would be perforated by hmg at this range

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If Russia decided to push a fleet through the Bosphorus Strait — could they?

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Dollar Store D-Day denied.
    >Great Value Gallipoli granted.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That would constitute moving troops through the territory of another state without permission, which is an act of war by any measure and would result in America parking a carrier group in the Black Sea.

    The last thing Russia wants is a carrier group in the Black Sea.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >could they?
    no. turkey has been able to physically block the bosphorus for hundreds of years. Giant cables or, historically, chains can be run across the gap and ensnare ships.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait
    Yes

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Turkey wouldn't risk a conflict with Russia
    Did you forget they shot down a Russian aircraft? Russia is Russia, Turkey is NATO.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How could Russia avoid being attacked by thousands of missles from the Turkish land?
    Turkey dont need planes to fire missles at the ships.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What happens when another country builds a big canal?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where? There’s nowhere narrow and short enough to be more convenient than just passing the strait

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          here retarts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You do know that the area you drew your moron lines over is just mountains and mountain foothills right?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Just build a tunnel under the mountains then.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not that much.
              But there's too little incentive to construct such a canal.
              Erdogan is actually building one that would circumvent Istanbul.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno if Griechenland and Bulgarien would be happy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Too expensive

        Where? There’s nowhere narrow and short enough to be more convenient than just passing the strait

        Indeed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There are two connections: the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal and the Volga–Don Canal that can be used to move smaller warships like corvettes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even if someone could build a canal to bypass Turkey, they could potentially halt it diplomatically. You can put a lot of pressure into stopping a country from doing something if you inconvenience everyone else or offer them some sort of benefit to supporting you. They can of course go ahead and make the canal anyway but then it's not backed by the international community which is usually going to have some sort of cost for them.

        A smaller scale of that happening is Poland building a canal in the Vistula Split so that ships don't have to go through Russian waters. Russia tried to block it, but of course everyone hates Russia and was already starting to distance themselves economically so they had no diplomatic weight behind their protests. A bit earlier and they might have gotten countries more reliant on them like Germany on board to protest it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Another country already did
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Deep_Water_System_of_European_Russia

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Question: if Russia had invested the money spent on the 3 day SMO, and the money they lost on sanctions and confiscations, on improving this water way system. Would they have even needed the Crimean port?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That wasn't the calculation, the calculation was whether the cost of a 3-day parade march into Kiev (which would more than pay for itself with just the initial week or so of looting) was more expensive than a major rebuild of the canal.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Turkish power projection comes entirely from their control of the strait, that’s why they get a free pass to more or less operate independently from NATO operations.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Could? Idk
    Isn't there technically some freedom of navigation?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and no. Yes in terms of trade and that, but Turkey has the right under the Montreux Convention to block access to the Black Sea for MILITARY ships. That's assuming Turkey isn't at war in which case they would allow access for allies. Furthermore, the Black Sea has a size limit on vessels anyway which is why Russia doesn't have an aircraft carrier there.

      So, yes but no.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I feel there are other reasons for Russia not having an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the Black Sea has a size limit on vessels anyway
        Kuznetsov was built in Ukraine you know, and Russia got her out somehow...
        Long story short, for Black Sea states there's no general size limit in the Montreaux convention on capital ships going through the Bosporus, it's only aircraft carriers specifically. Russia classifies the Kuznetsov as an aircraft-carrying cruiser, and Tukey has quite literally let that pass.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >can ziggers escape their containment
    No.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if the thread is talking about the same Turkey which was begging the US for Patriots just a few years ago.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A Puccian navy vessel (an intelligence vessel actually, lmao) sunk in the Turkish strait while sailing through the fog.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Liman

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does Turkey have the capability to stop a concerted push to cross the Strait
    Sure.
    >Park some ACV-15's on the shore line in concealed and fortified positions
    >Wait for the Russian fleet to come into range
    >Observe that most of the decks of the Russian warships like the one in the op are covered in explodium in the form of giant anti-ship missiles
    >Focus fire on the anti-ship missile pods with your 25mm auto cannons
    Congratulations. Russian incompetence has allowed ole Sparky to legitimately proclaim the "Gavin" as a fleet killer weapon.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    500k allied troops couldn't do it. I don't think russian rust buckets can do it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's missing the battleships running into the mines and the crucial minefield at the southern end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      would Gallipoli have worked if they dumped more men on that northern section there, than circle around the mountain and take Boghali?
      >t. doesn't know anything about the battle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I had to refresh my history on this.
      250k casualties on both sides. Attackers only had 25% more people.
      So defender advantage, defending against an amphibous landing, near major cities and ports... and still only 1:1 ratio.
      Usually in such a situation don't you expect 10:1 losses with equal force sizes when doing an amphibious landing? Americans and British took over 10:1 losses on D-day. about 24k casaulties with 150k assaulting against only 2k defenders.

      That's really pathetic. They were doing well and gave up. If they committed more, they could have taken it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nvm it was like 80k defenders on d-day. 4k-9k casualties. So more like 5:1 to 3:1 in favor of the defenders who were heavily outnumbered.
        But I'd think you double those losses if the defenders were of equal size.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ottomans were not peer level.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I know. They were getting fricked.
          If the Entetes attacked with 2x the force they could have taken that with less losses most likely and won.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Would they actually have been able to land more forces, though? It's been a min since I read up on Gallipoli, but IIRC the Brits/ANZAC forces were pretty well boxed in.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's almost like the whole campaign was poorly planned and Churchill removed over it.

              I think so if they attacked through Egypt to start with or as well, which was a British protectorate. It seems like it was a bad strategy to me to land right at the strait for 8 months. Or if they just landed more at the start instead of drawn out over 8 months.

              Start with 300k people attacking from Egypt and draw Ottomon forces down there.
              Then start landing in 500k to the strait and have the landing ships then rotate people out from the south, get them rest, and land them back to account for that 500k total to the north.
              Starting with an attack from Egypt, they probably could have killed many times more Ottoman's and wore them down and also given their people more experience before doing a landing and won.
              They probably could have used ships to bombard the strait while attacking from Egypt and made it look like the attacks to the strait were just a feint, too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Ottomans were the ones attacking Egypt at the time.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_and_Palestine_campaign
                The British were also trying to assault over Mesopotamia.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamian_campaign
                And obviously for the British it was just one theatre in a far bigger conflict.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So they had 1.2 million people there defending Egypt and they were winning hard. Should have sent them on the offensive. The Ottoman empire only had around 15 million people at that time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What do you think happened?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Egypt was happy to have Britain defend them but would not help them attack.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's almost like the whole campaign was poorly planned and Churchill removed over it.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Getting through Istanbul would be the easy part. Then its the Dardanelles, which is even worse, then its the Aegan Sea, which is equally bad.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My brother in Allah their fricking flagship couldn't handle a budget turkshit drone and a soviet anti ship missile.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unlike the oinkraine, Turkey has access to modern AIP diesel subs, 533mm torpedoes, and submarine-launched anti-ship missiles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >That gif

      I'd lose a million lives, to get that straight tonight
      So if you're feeling low, just like the old Moscow
      The words we use are strong; but not reality
      But now King Monke's on, Bosporus, dance with me! Da!

      Rip it up, kerch bridge down
      Rip it up, conscripts down in the ground

      Rip it up, drones rain down
      Rip it up, I'm barely past the borderline

      Everybody man guns tonight (Bayraktar having fun tonight)
      Everyone ask Kim Jong tonight (Please help we need more shells tonight)
      Everybody man guns tonight
      HIMARS having some fun tonight

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd lose a million lives, to get that straight tonight
        >So if you're feeling low, just like the old Moscow
        >The words we use are strong; but not reality
        >But now King Monke's on, Bosporus, dance with me! Da!

        >Rip it up, kerch bridge down
        >Rip it up, conscripts down in the ground

        >Rip it up, drones rain down
        >Rip it up, I'm barely past the borderline

        >Everybody man guns tonight (Bayraktar having fun tonight)
        >Everyone ask Kim Jong tonight (Please help we need more shells tonight)
        >Everybody man guns tonight
        >HIMARS having some fun tonight

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >no, no, NO, NOT MY KURDERINOOS!
    I remember the EU and the US throwing a fit because of literal communist sandnigs.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I only remember about western chimpout when Turks wrecked American partner forces in mere hours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >American partner forces
      Who? The sandal-wearing homosexuals, or the sandal-wearing gypsies?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >American partner forces

      [...]

      >ISIS

      [...]

      >America benefits the most from the presence of ISIS. So they are partners.
      No. That's not how partnership works. Some hallmarks of an actual partnership:
      >mutual participation in a united venture
      >voluntary association of the principals
      >close cooperation between parties having specified and joint rights and responsibilities
      What (You) are describing, on the other hand, is a lesser relationship between two parties, known as "moronic fanfic".

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Care to explain how ISIS were partnered with America? If I remember it was turkey who allied with ISIS to get at the Peshmerga and other kurd factions.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >A cop benefits seeing gangs kill each other in the streets that means he supports one gang killing another
    Ah so you are a moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >A cop benefits seeing gangs kill each other in the streets which means he supports one gang killing another

      That's the official foreign policy of US and A since 1941. US is the new Perfidious Albion.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        American are amateur hour at this shit compared to Britain.

        The only time the British foreign policy of letting europe fight each other while selling arms to both sides has failed is due to unpredictable German autism.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >was due to utterly predictable German autism
          ftfy

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russian Navy could probably do it. There is nothing physically locking it off. However, would the Turks attack them? That would be the real question.
    The Russians have shown that they cannot defend their warships against Ukraine's drone boats. More targets would probably not be what the Russians would want in the Black Sea. If anything, the Russians would probably want to get some of their ships out of the Black Sea. If I remember correctly, the Turks will allow warships to leave, but not enter.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >risk a conflict
    Turkey says no. Russia does not sail their ships through. It's as simple as that.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Were those Syrians swimming through a narrow straight in the heart of Turkey?

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Are you just a russ shill or are you actually that stupid sincerely.
    Turks have killed russians over less.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he's probably underage and doesn't remember the time a russian su-24 made a VERY SHORT incursion into turkish airspace on the order of like 10 seconds, maybe a few hundred meters deep, and was shot down OVER SYRIA in retaliation. he also probably doesn't remember when the turkish were confronted with evidence that it might have genuinely been a navigational mistake by the pilot and went "oh well sucks to suck" and told russia to deal with it.

      anyone who thinks the turks won't move artillery pieces over the strait just to reenact gallipoli is delusional.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of reinforcing the BSF? They haven't done shit. They don't even have enough PGMs to fire from their frigates anyways. Also attack subs ?? What's their to attack?they're not even safe in Sevastapol much less closer to the coast where they have Neptunes (moskva) You'd think the Russian air force would prioritize bombing these places, but whatevs. Their whole strategy is confounding.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is roughly on the same level of stupid as "let's send our garbage navy to go around literally half the world to fight some japs", which is to say there's a non-zero possibility ziggers will actually attempt it

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact; Turkey's anti-ship missile system range cover the entire black sea

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Any reason they wouldn't sell it to Ukraine?

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Maybe if they could mine the Straits first but that would require seeing the Russians coming with the intent to force their way through
    If only there was another strait for warships to cross to get to bosphorus in the first place, Turkey could possibly see it coming. Maybe this hypothetical strait could be called Dardanelles?

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sea's Closed

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >10,000 years of humans settling around that place
    >still green
    How did humans do it?

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If the Royal Navy couldn't do it in 1915 the Russian Navy certainly can't do it today

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Turkey could sink the entire Russian black sea fleet.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they can't even win the naval war against a country with no navy.

    Trying a stunt like that would just ensure Russia ceases having a black sea fleet, permanently.

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They have the kind that listens when America tells them what to do, or else.

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Turkey failing to comply with Montreux is the most certain way of ending Montreux forever and the straits being put under international (aka US) control.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Russians can just sneak through subs no problem if they wanted to!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And they've shown in the black sea that every Russian vessel is submersible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is actually an excellent point. When Ukraine foolishly sends every single ship in the Black Sea to the bottom of the ocean, they will sneak out of the Black Sea under Turkey's nose and head to a safer port for repairs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Under their own power of course.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's pretty simple. 6th Fleet sinks all the Russian ships. Invasion over.

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    By killing them, the ukes arent exactly a super power and theyre doing good better than russia.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They won’t because that would mean that the ships Ukraine bought from Turkey and Britain would get delivered.

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What's Russia gonna do about it? They need the oil money.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They're already selling their oil to India for worthless rupees. If they raise their prices to Turkey they'll just go somewhere else for their oil and leave Russia with nothing. The only thing Russia has going for them is their cheap oil.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Perhaps, but you might be underselling Turkey's energy crisis. At least last time I checked it was pretty bad. Bad enough that before Russia went bananas, Turkey was up there for next big nation to start a war. I can't remember which, but some neighbour has some oil or gas or something they have a reasonable enough claim to.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The India connection is more of a sideshow and more about some Russian oligarch(s) partnering with Indian players to get rich. The real buyer is China and since 2022 Russia has been China’s largest supplier of energy, now beating Saudi by a huge amount. THAT is really where the new cash flow is coming from after losing the European market. But /k/ is so desperate to spin anything and everything in an anti-Russia light they maintain extreme ignorance over just how crucial China has been to keeping this war going.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is this a bot, it doesn't seem to be replying to anything actually being talked about

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lmfao

    No. The Russian navy could barely deploy to the Levant under peaceful conditions. Turkey would turn their butthole inside out then take over the Transcaucasia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why don't you frick around and find out?

      >Russia can’t because their navy is pure ass!
      Fine, but nobody at a leadership level makes calculations based on best-case scenarios. Everyone is forced to assume worst-case, ie, that Russian battle group is fully loaded and can make use of its spec sheets; literally no one is going to say “Yeah but don’t worry Russian stuff is junk in reality”.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And instead they should just turn around and surrdender to russias will despite holding all the cards?
        Anon don't be stupid.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There are two separate ways Russia's navy is bad. The first is that all of their stuff is old, poorly maintained and staffed by crew that is poorly trained and doesn't want to be there.

        The Second is that they have very few heavy assets. The US has more carriers than they have destroyers in active service.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In the age of missile and drone warfare, the aircraft carrier is going to be this centuries battle ship. Battle ships got replaced by aircraft carriers and DDGs. The Houthis are already showing the limitations of the DDG.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Decisions are made based on available info. Get on google earth and look at the at the area in question. Just look. Then get on wikipedia and look at the Turkish military. Compare what you see there to the past decade, hell, the past four decades of Russian military adventures and tell me what on earth would ever lead you to believe the Russian navy is capable of forcing passage into or out of the Black Sea.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No between Turkeys Navy and Land defences, RAF Akrotiri and NATO ships in the eastern med the Russian Black Sea Fleet would get annihilated

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    brown

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Whiter than you Omar Daysawn Rodriguez.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah spending that much time in the basement probably is reducing your natural melanin shit stain

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >can Russia do today what the British commonwealth, Greeks, Serbs, and French failed to do combined a century ago?

    No.

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    amerikan empire only has the logistics to have a few carrier battle groups around the globe at once! this will alow the mighty kutzenzov to blot the skies with its dark clouds to render f-35 cargo cult trash innefective while vdv lands over berlin and london xaxaax*~~

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    They lost most of the Black Sea Fleet to a country without a navy.
    Why do you think Turkey gets to veto movement in/out of the Black Sea in the first place?

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >as we say in Afghanistan
    Also I missed that, sorry for picking on you. No wonder you don't understand naval projection, being from a landlocked country and all.

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > NATO is rapidly losing interest in Ukraine.
    Until Russia attacks a NATO member (Turkey) and then it’s fricking on like Donkey Kong.

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian navy forcing into the Black Sea
    I see no problem. Turkey should let them in
    >Russian navy forcing out of the Black Sea
    Sorry ziggers, you are not allowed to leave the killzone.

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