Russian computing and electronics is an absolute hellscape. By the early 70s, a time which the US regards as the early days of the Digital Revolution, the Soviets had effectively already thrown in the towel and their standing policy towards computer development was to illicitly obtain western designs and attempt to clone them. Being in a perpetual state of playing catch-up meant that they never really developed the manufacturing base to support a significant digital industry, as by the time they'd managed to reverse engineer whatever tech the KGB had fished up, it was already obsolete so they would rather try to steal something new than produce what they had.
There was actually an article I read a couple years ago about a Russian produced server processor, tested compared to the Intel chip they were trying to square off against the Russian made design performed 3 to 26 times slower. In the final report they concluded that the Russian processor was "completely unsuitable" for regular use, but noted that they were pleasantly surprised that it actually existed at all.
Bigger=better get wrecked hato
>Bigger=better get wrecked hato
No CEP's are bigger than Russian CEP, HATO btfo again!
>russians are retarded and cant do technology
>russians are expert hackers and even can interfere with our elections and stuff
FUCKING PICK ONE YOU GOD DAMNED CIA BACKED SHILL FUCKS. this is god damn K, i just want to look at cool guns and knives and half these threads are putin bots bitching with globohomos (i will say there are like 3 to 1 ratio of faggy globohomo shills here)
no one is afraid of russians interfering in the elections. all you have to do is bribe the vote counters. done and done.
>If you can teach someone to be a programmer, this means you have industrial capacity to build electronics and chips
>i just want to look at cool guns and knives
then look at the cool knife and gun threads and stop posting in russia threads.
have a nice day you war tourist cocksucker. You cunts are braindead as fuck and refuse to take your off topic bullshit elsewhere. 9/10 threads about these subhumans are 4chan tier shit and I hope all of you fucking die. That includes the chud mods that endorse this bullshit.
>call other people tourist
What a tourist thing to do tourist.
Eat shit, noguns.
Says the tourist.
It's hilarious how you fucking retard shills desperately try to justify your spam retardation every day.
Last time I checked PrepHole stands for weapons you fucking troglodite. How is a thread about the computing and electronics needed to accurately drop bombs on poor third world soldiers NOT about weapons?
>software is hardware
The Feds finally came out and admitted that Russia influence had little to no effect in the 2016 election.
Just because democrats are retarded doesn't mean Russians aren't too.
given how democrats are fucking up every american city that control maybe they're russians
Spam facebook to brainwash boomers and 4chan to brainwash browncels is nothing advanced... is taking advantage of vulnerable people.
You don't need to master microchip production to write some code or hack into something. Russia has capabilities when it comes to software. It's hardware where they've always been behind. It's not a 'Pick one' type of deal. They've always been behind on chip production.
That's like asking how people in Denmark can use computers because they do not manufacture the parts there you retard
>russians are expert hackers and even can interfere with our elections and stuff
It's more that software is embarrassingly porous that, with enough time and force, anything can get fucked.
Russia and Ukraine have a lot of hackers because learning programming only requires access to a PC, hackers can crack software and games which is a valuable skill in poorer countries, and the IT sector was always a good way to get a job in the emerging sector or move to the West.
However, a hacker cannot will into existence advanced microchips by typing at his computer.
Because they're working on YOUR components. The US allowed this to happen.
>i just want to look at cool guns and knives and half these threads are putin bots bitching with globohomos
It's so interesting to watch how these kind of posts seem to be so exlussive for threads shitting on Russians, they are pretty much non existant in the threads that hype Russia or shit on Ukraine.
>FUCKING PICK ONE YOU
These 2 are absolutely unrelated. How retarded can you be? Fucking 14 year olds have hacked into government systems.
>paying shils from oil money that you extracted with western technologies is being hackerman
The “Russian interference” in the election was the illicit donations funneled through outfits like the NRA (I’ll be outraged with that when they stop the money from Israel, Saudi Arabia, and China, but it is a problem on some level) and a consistent social media campaign supported by botfarms and paid shills.
Hacking allegations have always been a straw man introduced to muddy the waters except when “hack” is used as a euphemism for “take advantage of Faceberg’s algorithm” or when they were talking about the laptop and email server, which was a separate issue from “the election”.
>Spending money on fringe groups and super pacs is the same difficulty as building high-tech
we need more PrepHoleollection threads and less russia threads
>i just want to look at cool guns and knives
go to general ran by that dog fucker
This. It's just that Russians don't have the same access to Taiwanese and Korean chips as pro-NATO countries do.
why do you think that hacking and semiconductor manufacturing have anything to do with one another
wrong exemple, they are not for comparable systems. The russian one also has more redundancy and is bulkier and less fragile by design. This comes at a price in volume and weight, but allows a higher level of fiability.
This kind of facebook bullshit only works on idiots without any knowledge on those specific weapon systems, but this is PrepHole.
>allows a higher level of fiability
I don't think the "Russian stuff is more reliable" meme is true, anon.
>It makes no difference whether you kill someone with a fancy diamond-encrusted solid gold blade or a bone carved blade, retard, the result is the same
There's a huge difference between hitting a playground with a 5 million dollar cruise missile or pancaking a Russian with a 100,000 USD GMRLS that failed to detonate.
>less fragile by design
That's not true, having dozens of hand-soldered, throughhole components instead of one integrated chip introduces ten times as much potential points of failure, especially in applications with intensive vibrations and acceleration. It only makes devices less sensitive to radiation but it's not like this device is expected to spend months in outer space or inside reactor vessel.
I really get the feelings most pro-russians are either zoomers or retards who don't remember what a pain early computer systems could be. The ZX-81 was a nightmare to work on.
>I really get the feelings most pro-russians are either zoomers or retards
the ones ostensibly presenting themselves as "pro-Russian" really do put a lot of effort into you accepting Russians being killed in job lot quantities, just food for thought
What do you mean retard ???
Integrated circuits are fucking better than discrete components one IC on these boards can do 100X the work done by that russian stack and do it more reliably.
The one on the right is from the '80s or earlier while the one on the left is '90s construction, atleast they would be for any normal electronics. As a general rule old electronics suck ass and only work because edge rates are so slow you can ignore all good design practices. The one on the right is easily 10x more expensive to mass produce though due to the stacked assembly.
Russians have domestic CPUs that are mid-2000s tier, it's honestly kinda impressive but utterly uncompetitive in a free market
>Russians have domestic CPUs that are mid-2000s tier, it's honestly kinda impressive but utterly uncompetitive in a free market
Mid-2000s CPUs could easily be fast enough for many common uses, so in theory the Russians could run much of their systems on those. I think more countries should consider doing this, really.
Fortunately, most modern enterprise software is garbage that runs at like 1/50 of its potential speed while consuming 50 times the memory it should. No wonder their homemade CPU was found unsuitable for running it.
For better or for worse, software tends to expand to use up all HW capacity. Russians could shift to using domestic chips for future benefit but the immediate costs would easily be in the tens of billions. I kind of expect the chinese to do so at some point in the future.
Every solder point is a failure point, every cable is a failure point. You seriously know nothing.
>The russian one also has more redundancy
do you know what redundancy even means? it this context it would mean if something gets damaged it can still operate, I highly fucking doubt that
It covering more area and using more components essentially means there is a higher point of failure throughout its entire existence.
It will also be less capable from the get go.
Dude the one on the right is a fucking EMI nightmare
Look at all the cope lmao
Why not come to terms with the reality that building an economic system around cronyism and totalitarian state control turns people into psychotic retards?
>they are not for comparable systems
I love this subtle touch, have a (you), it's well earned
SM is an order of magnitude more reliable than than that rat's nest of nonsense.
It use chips produced with a process node of 100nm which is why it's bigger
Russian flight hardware is cool af. Waiting for CuriousMarc to get a hold of the vacuum tube radar from a MiG-25.
It makes no difference whether you kill someone with a fancy diamond-encrusted solid gold blade or a bone carved blade, retard, the result is the same
if my weapons have twice range of yours guess whos going to win
i don't think halving the guidance system's weight is gonna double your missile range
>reduce the weight from the guidance system
>open up room for additional fuel or heavier payload
Maybe not double, but it'll have an effect.
>it doesn't matter if the CEP for an artillery system is 100m and the western counterparts is 10m
It matters alot. Tighter tolerances in metalwork, more precise geolocation and higher processing power, lead to more effective systems, leading to more effective use of ordnance, fuel, everything. When you can't produce that, you "fix" it by just massing more stuff. Which is what the Russians have been doing for ages.
it doesn't make any difference in the battlefield, just like a $100,000 swiss watch gives the same time as a $2 made in china watch, it's not gonna change your day Mr Francy Pants, you're just lining the pockets of Raytheon and Switzerland Watchmaker CEOs
except the swiss watch will last for entire generations and chinkshit will break right after leaving your wrist
when the goal of the contraption you produce is to be blown up to smithereens I don't think it matters that much
It absolutely matters. Why make 10 shit artillery pieces when you can make 1 good one that would do as good of a job as those 10? Less manpower used, smaller ammo consumption, less fuel and vehicles used towing it around.
stop replying to bait, retard
>Why make 10 shit artillery pieces when you can make 1 good one that would do as good of a job as those 10?
funny how you completely changed the subject
we were discussing miniaturization and you changed it to effectiveness
the problem is effectiveness, no one is denying that but smaller doesn't correlate with more effective
that bulky component can be more precise/effective than its miniaturized counterpart, there's no way to tell from a picture
Considering the effectiveness of Russian "precision" munitions in this war, Russian guidance components are both bulky and ineffective.
>that bulky component can be more precise/effective than its miniaturized counterpart
But is it?
Tank sensors, who sees who first, wins.
Artillery, accuracy matters, quality matters.
Planes, better BWR capability has advantage.
Ships, not getting deleted because your systems weren't on or having to have your carrier be escorted by a tugboat isn't the best way to project to the world that you have a competent navy. Not everything that applies to the AK applies to every weapon system out there.
It absolutely does. Having shit gear will compromise your ability to do your job. This is why western armies succeed. They spend the billions on training, quality gear and those high tech pallets. So when it counts, that round you need got there in time, was loaded fast and hit that group of vatniks 40km away. If you let corruption and incompetence eat away at that network, you get what Russia is experiencing in Ukraine right now. Lazy unmotivated troops with lackluster gear, rusted to shit ammo, no winter gear, no optics, fucking T-62's. Needing hundred rounds and two hours to destroy a house that could have been done with 1-2 and five minutes. It's what you get when you invest in your military instead of investing into a multi-layered corruption scheme where every new tier skims more off the top.
Does it make a difference in the battlefield if your ammo was stored in wooden crates on a field for 40 years instead of on pallets in a warehouse?
The cheapshitter's cope is real
>The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
>Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
>But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
Boots of rich people doesn't wear out because they don't walk in the rain, they drive SUVs. It's where economy comes from.
>Why the Soviet Computer Failed
Did you just copy the post verbatim from reddit you fucktard?
Anon, the module on the right is Ukrainian too. The only difference between the two modules is that one is designed entirely within soviet electronic component base and the one on the left was re-designed with some more modern components. But there are still some MLT series resistors and soviet diodes even on the left.
>MLT series resistors and soviet diodes even on the left.
BTW friendly reminder that all "Soviet resistors and diodes" are just copies of American throughhole components from 40s and 50s. Just inferior copies. Usually series of components were partially copied, not all types American standard offering and they had much worse tolerances comparing to US one. Soviet practice of electronics making was to manually measure every resistor and capacitor before soldering as their real resistance and capacitance values doesn't meet nominal.
What's the American version of MLT or "little red flag" ceramic capacitors?
What did they mean by this?
They're fucking obsessed with Obongo for some reason.
Possibly because he just happened to be the president of Literally Satan States back when the brainwashing got ramped up to 11 in the late 00s and throughout the 10s.
jej fucked up there
>They're fucking obsessed with Obongo for some reason
Just primitive racism. As racism is ok in Russia if aimed at the "big Satan" Russians let their racist attacks go full and black American president was a natural target.
That made Obama natural hate rethoric target.
Russia normally blames the US for racism, which doesn't prevent them from being racist against the moron king or scaring their population with mulatto HATO cyborgs in Ukraine. The only real consistency is that they use whatever tools available to condemn and demonize the West.
I knew obama was russian
That keyboard looks peak comfy though.
FUN FACT Bulgaria was the silicon valley/dumpster of the ussr. Most computer viruses from the 90’s and early 00’s originated from that legacy.
I don't think so, anon. Main computer manufacturers were in Zelenograd (russia) and Kyiv
when China gains the capability of producing modern chips (it's very, VERY close) it will be pretty much over for the West
>nonwhites do something
>ITZ OVAH for the West
I'll believe it when I see it
Looks like an ever shittier 1980's brimstone 1 kek, at least that had more chips, they really are more than 40 years behind.
That is not a missile. It's a guided ahell's guidance system, it doesn't have to do much and is much less complicated as a consequence
>Doesn't have to do much
>Has more sq inch of circuit board than a brimstone missile that can detect, recognise and track enemy vehicles using radar. Brimstone was purposely using reliable old tech from before the 80's, this shit is almost 60's tier electronics.
You can fill that extra space with things that work you know.
Brimstone is 180mm vs ~120mm here. Radar vs laser doesn't have much difference schematically, and the flight program is those 60mm of diameter per board
>Radar vs laser doesn't have much difference schematically
Are you retarded
both are electromagnetic radiation duh
They are processed completely differently. They are not the same at all
Well then, what's the difference?
In both cases the scheme sees high and low level of signal. Where it comes from doesn't concern it
Yeah. That's because finance generates the most gdp and financial institutions are historically in large cities. The average worker in a Democrat city isn't magically more productive than a red state worker.
Next you'll probably have to have it explained to you why cities with ports tend to generate more GDP than cities without ports.
>The average worker in a Democrat city isn't magically more productive than a red state worker.
Actually, they absolutely are. That's what GDP per capita means and it's always higher in Blue counties. And yeah, cities have ports. That counts in their favor. You don't get to just write that off because it makes your ass mad
>A bank in Chicago issues a multi-billion dollar loan to a company.
>this shows an increase in GDP. inspite of the fact that nothing was actually produced in Chicago.
>Becky the barista is now a more productive worker than Paul the iron worker; because she lives in Chicago and he lives in North Dakota.
>this is a testament to democrat brilliance in government.
>Becky gets raped on the way home from work.
>And yeah, cities have ports.
Which are a geographic feature and not an example of democrat brilliance.
>finance isn't useful because... IT JUST ISN'T, OK???
Dumb goy can't into leverage.
isn't useful because
I never said it wasn't useful. You're just a moron.
>GDP is always higher in blue
>Pic related are blue and also some of the poorest areas in the entire nation
lol, perhaps even lmao
>Democratic-run counties carry the entire nation's economy.
no where it says that in image you posted, GDP is a measure of consumption, not output
>GDP is a measure of consumption, not output
literally, when government uses your wealth to pay for its own lunch, it increases GDP
Anon... do you know what are the methods of calculating GDP? I'll give you a hint, there's more than one.
so its utter useless mislabeled garbage
do you use or at least understand recursion?
thats pretty much the first thing they teach you after history
Do you consider it to be mislabeled garbage?
After all, anything you can do with recursion you can do with just loops.
my C teacher was real old school dude and we used lots of loops
understandable, as recursion looks snazzy in code but puts strain on stack but at the end of the day the compiled asembly will look similar for a given task.
well, returning to gdp, you are looking at flow variable of goods and services that are consumed, but that automatically means they are also produced. You can't have one without the other and you can add them up from either side and should reach the same result.
GDP is basically a bad faith argument as far as I am concerned, its used wrong, it measures the wrong thing and its usually used in bad faith argument to imply something it has nothing to do with
It's the sum of economic activity.
It's retarded to attribute production to the specific area where all the books were balanced, because the actual goods and services exchanged for money don't even need to enter the city where the exchange was made.
You're right, because if they're no longer able to import because they're poor, and can no longer export, GDP will still rise with inflation even if noone can buy anything.
Only upside to some Soviet hardware was you could fix it easily, most manuals came with the circuit diagrams.
Soviet dosimeter units were generally cooler than the western equivalent even if they were just optimised 60s designs.
I thought it was a Curta mechanical calculator at first. Maybe thats what they were thinking of.
>I am the best wageslave!
>No, I'm the best wageslave, also I consoom more!
The absolute state of american politics.
And to think the CIA/SOAR has their hands on all of this too. I remember reading in Ben Rich's book (Skunkworks designer then head) that thanks to the CIA they had actual soviet jets to fly the F117 against in development.
>There was actually an article I read a couple years ago about a Russian produced server processor, tested compared to the Intel chip they were trying to square off against the Russian made design performed 3 to 26 times slower.