>Russian military made an improvised artillery piece by installing a 73-mm 2A28 Grom gun from a BMP-1 on a towed wheelbase from a 2B9M Vas...

>Russian military made an improvised artillery piece by installing a 73-mm 2A28 “Grom” gun from a BMP-1 on a towed wheelbase from a 2B9M “Vasilyok” mortar
2nd military in the world my ass

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    return to tradition

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      return to werf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is right direct fire is great for Trench warfare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. That's why mortars were re-developed during WW1.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was being sarcastic anyway I was reminded of this video about how indirect fire overtook the Napoleonic tactics of direct fire in WW1

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any videos of it being shot? I don’t have Telegram.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Had this been Syrians I may have been mildly impressed but I feel nothing but disdain for this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That bounce after every shot
        Give an estimate on the MOA and grouping size for follow up shots

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The recoil of the gun was able to depress the gun noticeably between shots. Definitely got horrible accuracy overall.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean he does take the time to lay the gun between each shot so I think it's probably fine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            73-mm 2A28 “Grom” can't hit stationary target at 600 meters

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based i love this moronic little gun

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here here, would hate to be an Austro-hungarian going up against that bad boy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are there any videos of it being shot? I don’t have Telegram.

        Thank you. All my favorite weapons forums/channels have been blocked by the search engines and western corpos. I don't know where you people find this stuff. I have to go through Matsimus now. (not a bad thing)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's like the special ed bus but for artillery

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NATO reporting names beginning with “S” are for surface to surface missiles, but since there isn’t an official moniker for the R-39M Grom just yet I’d like to take this opportunity to petition to have it dubbed “Shortbus”.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Suckdeep

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn, that’s even better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why is the platform jumping up instead of pushing backwards when the gun is fired?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because the force of firing is above the pivot point causing torque around the pivot point and the mass of the gun doesn't have enough counter torque so the gun pivots around the pivot point.

          There's no recoil system so the peak forces cause higher torque than the gun's weight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its just so excited

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >year is 2024
        >vatniks reinvent the french 75

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, the French 75 had a proper hydropneumatic recoil dampener. This doesn't. It's closer to a mid 19th century field gun such as those used in the Franco-Prussian war.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >brightly colored identifiers on uniforms
            >field guns
            >(motorcycle) cavalry charges
            RETVRN

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              VGH..

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It looks like they kept the recoil mechanism from the BMP. You can see the barrel cycling in the video.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't insult the French 75 like that

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When they said that the arty in ww1 was called drum fire they were not kidding. You get five of these things pumping that there is no pause between shots.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its dropping its barrel randomly after each shot - and elevation has to be adjusted without any aids?
        what kind of a sick joke is this?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >elevation has to be adjusted without any aids?
          Oh trust me, there is plenty of AIDS in that video

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These jokes truly never get old kel

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Neither do mobiks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wtf is a kel?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That posters name is Kel we go way back

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Russians have reinvented the 76mm BPK-76.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        great way to get blown up by a FPV since you’ll only be like 1km from the front.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty quick and effective little shooter for most engagements, kind of like a modern day 37mm. Not every weapon on the battlefield needs to pen a challenger frontally, this is probably dropping lots of bodies

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Grom has an abysmal range, it's why many BMP-1s are also armed with ATGMs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this is probably dropping lots of bodies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tbf he didn't say whose bodies they would be. I could imagine the mobniks tasked with operating shit like that having very short lifespans.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          These guys will get droned before they ever get a chance to shoot. Dont be an idiot

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Neit! With Comrade Snarlfangvych duct taping a cope cage together and clever use of newspaper camouflage, this will be unseen and as untouched by others as a /misc/ock’s pipi.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >creating shittier, more complicated and heavier and less portable version of SPG-9
          >Pretty quick and effective little shooter for most engagements

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In this war that thing is purely baba yaga feed.

          Like honestly their first inkling they're toast is the first drones is going to come and sprinkle some salt and pepper and Parsley garnish over them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >less range than an actual medium mortar
            >less accuracy too
            >more likely to draw the attention of drones faster given towed set-up

            What
            the ~3 million Nork shells given earlier this year running thin so soon?

            I’ve seen vatnik true believers over the last year champion this sort of thing as a virtue, and it felt like they weren’t being ironic. So I’d like to ask: what’s the tipping point? What improvised Russian weapon system is going to be the one that shakes their faith and moves them to question just how well the SMO is actually going? Black powder swivel gun welded to a Lada? Golf carts replaced by horse cavalry? Anons, please weigh in with whatever you think will be the one that gets Copelord to say “this makes me question my previous assertions”.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A rocket assisted trebuchet.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you might laugh but real cavalry might be a game changer

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              tbh I'm with them. This sort of thing is incredibly amusing and I do think there is a spark of ingenuity hidden somewhere in there.
              This isn't to say it's the famed "smykalka" that will allow them to triumph and destroy all the fascist Abrams tanks with potato cannons or something, but I find soldiers in the field making their own stuff to be extremely cool and worthy of praise.
              In this case it is probably indicative of deeply rooted issues with Russian military that they NEED to do it but it reminds me of the US gun trucks and welding M2s and in at least one case an M134 to Pattons in Vietnam or when Soviets themselves started putting Vasileks on roofs of MTLB in Afghanistan because the doctrine at the time didn't predict the need for self-propelled mortars. It's fricking cool as shit on it's own, the only issue is the self-proclaimed Second Army In The World shills still act like they're a peer opponent for anyone except countries twenty times smaller than them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >What improvised Russian weapon system is going to be the one that shakes their faith and moves them to question just how well the SMO is actually going?
              Improvised kamikaze versions of transport aircraft and airliners, crashing in Belgorod.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this is probably dropping lots of bodies
          Yes, of its own crews LMAO.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay but this isn't fricking WW2, what can this thing do that wouldn't be accomplished with a shoulder-fired launcher?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing and because it's heavy and slow to fire once it reveals itself the crew is vulnerable to return fire. It cannot shoot and scoot without a vehicle to tow it (which a cheap ChiCom ATV could do while carrying more ammo) but dragging that heavy b***h across rough terrain will slow a weak towing vehicle makint it even more vulnerable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Marginally better range than an RPG-7

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The fish bites today eh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay but why not mounting it on a pick-up truck?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because they're culminating.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/0kPLgxq.jpeg

        >Russian military made an improvised artillery piece by installing a 73-mm 2A28 “Grom” gun from a BMP-1 on a towed wheelbase from a 2B9M “Vasilyok” mortar
        2nd military in the world my ass

        What's the fricking point, 99% of the ammo available for this is HEAT.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          was gunna say looks at least serviceable as a stationary treeline smacker with some frag rounds but that aint gunna fricking do it bud lmao

          I'll say they have made dumber and less effective looking shit, at least they have a decent fire rate going lmao, I give boris an 8 round lifespan before a drone finds him and deletes him and his gun from existence

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >8 rounds

            Far too generous unless it is really really really well hidden.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They really did run out of BMPs didn't they?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think they are using parts from destroyed BMPs here.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/0kPLgxq.jpeg

        >Russian military made an improvised artillery piece by installing a 73-mm 2A28 “Grom” gun from a BMP-1 on a towed wheelbase from a 2B9M “Vasilyok” mortar
        2nd military in the world my ass

        That's some gayass modification.

        At least install the cannon on a toyota truck.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >At least install the cannon on a toyota truck.
          toyota pickups are reserved for elite units like the 4th Guards kek

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why don't these exist anymore?

        They were everywhere in WW1 and WW2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anti tank guns are shoulder fired now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why don't these exist anymore?
          A major issue is that a system like this weighs more than nearly any ATGM system, but has less range and less capability of killing armored vehicles (especially MBT's). While this is better at dumping cheap HE down range, you'd probably want more anti-armor power given the limited mobility.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          An AGL is better for dumping HE downrange
          Recoilless rifles like the Carl Gustav or ATGM systems like TOW are better for popping armor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They were everywhere in WW1 and WW2
          commanders were already hitting the limits of towed anti-tank guns in WW2
          guns capable of frontally penetrating enemy armor were becoming incredibly heavy
          the 17pdr and pak40 were now too heavy to be moved without a tractor
          lightweight guns like the 6pdr were now only effective against side armor, and even then it was apparent in mere years even side performance would be marginal, and they couldnt be upgunned any further without becoming too heavy to embed in infantry units

          and this was a problem because separate anti-tank units were garbage as they become too easily swarmed by enemy infantry, meaning that towed AT guns had peaked

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            PaK40 could be rolled around short distances by a full crew.

            >and this was a problem because separate anti-tank units were garbage as they become too easily swarmed by enemy infantry,
            Okay, no. That's pure skill issue. You can embed seperate anti-tank units with your infantry, there's no magic "this is an AT unit, no infantry allowed" bubble around them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          After WW2 really only the Soviet Union invested in anti tank guns and yes they are still in use today.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-12

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WWI and WWII ended.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't this essentially an SPG-9?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The real question is why are they doing this if Russia should have tens of thousands of recoil less rifles in storage

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But worse.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It has all the downsides plus some (recoil) and none of the benefits. Like the other dude said, why not just put it on another vehicle? The guys in the video probably don’t have any more vehicles, because it could probably fit on even one of those Chinese golf carts.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No backblast is a pretty big benefit: greatly reduces firing signature, rate of fire and potentially allows it to be used indoors.

            It's not terrible honestly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How much does firing signature matter when the max effective range is 500 meters (about the same as the M14)? That’s point-blank for field guns. Maybe they hide it in a forest or a bunch of bushes. I doubt this will become mainstream, even for Russians, especially when SPG-9 is already bolted onto so many pickups by jihadists. That shows that anyone can take this thing and make a self-propelled artillery piece. That would also make it more stable than the 200lb carriage they have it tied down on.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MILYY!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >erzats PaK

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How long until we are going to see 12-pounders? A year?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But why? Why take this thing out of a BMP? why not put it in another vehicle atleast? Like, even another MT-LB frankenstein would be better

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is the kind of shit Nigel and his buddies would have dragged by porters through the Congo to shoot up the army of chief Ngbungo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would probably work really well against line infantry slowly walking towards it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Repeat after me
        >the 2nd strongest military power of the world

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This would have been an excellent field gun in 1917.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good for tanks but the heat rounds wouldn't be a good substitute for HE rounds.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >be Ukraine
        >take the shitty inaccurate gun off BMP-1 and replace them with the 30mm turret from the BTR-4 so they’re at least partially useful
        >be Russian
        >take the shitty inaccurate gun off the BMP-1 because they’re literally all dead and make it a towed artillery piece

        I still think it’s cool as frick even if it is nearly useless, they should put one on a Toyota pickup

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am waiting for ruskis to go full 40k orc & start shouting "I'M A TANK!" while walking towards the Ukrainians, hoping that simply willing it makes them invulnerable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is just an SPG-9 with automatically opening breech and slightly weaker propellant charge.
        Which would be honestly based as frick if it was a production weapon. Fast firing HEAT/HE slugger for low intensity warfare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What an absolute unit reloading that gun. Is it just that the gunner is 4’11” or do they have Russian André The Giant?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It just works.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is nothing new under the sun.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RETVRN

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like a WW2 weapon. Could a 73mm grom knock out a Tiger?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It fires SPG-9 projectiles so yes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then this is a game changer. The Nazis stand no chance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SPG-9 HEAT warhead can penetrate up to 300mm of RHA, and a King Tiger's max front armor is only 185mm. So yeah.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and 150mm angled front plate making it around 210mm~

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easily, but the gun's accuracy is so shit past 600m that the attack would have to be made from concealment of one sort or another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's so cute

      >It looks like a WW2 weapon
      CUTE!!

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Give it a shield and you'll have a ZiS-3 from wish

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im now convinced that this war is HOI4 simulation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Paradox games are fricking gay.

      The Price of Power is amazing though, so maybe it's just their concepts and designs as computer games.
      HO> is a ridiculous oversimplification of WW2

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >manning a short-ranged improvised field gun on a completely open and flat field
    Countdown until they get REKT by a crest FPV drone:
    5...4...3...2..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      THE 40, THE 30, THE 20, THE 10!

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ...is there no recoil system on that?
    ...is he manually readjusting the angle after every shot?
    Man this isn't WWII shit, this isn't even WWI shit, this is some pre Canon de 75 modèle 1897 shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just eyeball it bro lol hahahaha just use VATS homie lmaooo

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek an anti tank gun from 1936

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not even, the Grom is a low pressure gun. The Pak 36 has a muzzle velocity like 75% higher than it. The only thing that puts it above a Pak 36 is the HEAT shell

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying that this thing is objectively inferior to the French model-1897 75mm field guns that the Krauts captured in WWII, modified into being AT guns, and developed HEAT shells for?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That looks about twice as heavy and 50% bigger

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, it's a full pressure gun, so more steel is required to contain the pressure. But it has about 5 times longer effective range, because the shell doesn't have the velocity and trajectory of a hand-thrown potato.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Could you turn it in to a high pressure gun by using bored out old barrels around it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sure the weakness of the breach would be the insurmountable problem to conversion. Your best bet would be some kind of high/low hybrid ammo kind of like 40mm nato grenades but the ammo of bmp 1’s have never been well thought out or made.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The BMP-1’s gun was already obsolete when it entered service.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              an argument could be made that the gun was intended to serve as an anti-light skin vehicle (such as APCs and IFVs-) gun & anti-personnel dual-purpose gun, but that would be giving ruskis too much credit, still, maybe one of them DID think ahead to what the West would do once they realised that USSR had invented a new combat vehicle type (IFV) & was building thousands of them, and as such figured BMPs would inevitably end up facing enemy IFVs that would need to be dealt with?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >an argument could be made that the gun was intended to serve as an anti-light skin vehicle
                except it can't hit shit, its one advantage was HEAT and it turned out to be so horridly inaccurate it completely invalidates that use. It's not even good enough for HE, which for a long time it didn't even have.

                So I guess it shoots fast enough to make up for it I guess? You guess wrong, the autoloader is so bad it eats the gunner's fingers so crews remove it the first thing they do when they get a vehicle. Finally, check the videos from Ukraine, BMP-1'S ARE NOT EVEN FRICKING FIRING THIS GUN. It's extremely rare to see them even using it, they are literally not fricking bothering with it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is USSR we are talking about, a miss or a dozen isn't an issue when there are a thousand of BMPs Leeroy Jenkins'ing through Fulda gap for the Glorious Motherland, if all of them shoot simultaneously, surely they will hit SOMETHING that was shooting back at them, right? What do you mean "no"? Off to the Gulag you go!

                Plus, it wouldn't be the first weapon to spectacularly fail at the job it was meant to do.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If weighs almost nothing, costs almost nothing and will still kill an M48 or Leopard 1 if you can hit it. It wasn't obsolete, it just wasn't good.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The only thing that puts it above a Pak 36 is the HEAT shell
          Not so fast

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This farce of a war is going to be a gold mine for military historians.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sooo... what happened to supposed russian artillery superiority?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s effectively neutralizing enemy marketplaces, kindergartens, and apartment buildings comrade.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like it. It's terrible, but I like it.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That’s neat

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >BMP AT gun on wheels
    Oh Russia, you'll never change will you?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    needs a seat

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not even in the top ten of moronic field mods Russia has done this war.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cool, I guess but I'd think a recoilless rifle would be more useful?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sooooo.... it's basically an old-fashioned pack howitzer, which we have all been told has been obsolete for ages because everybody uses mortars to fill that role now. So what is the tactical use of this thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The sole scenario I can envision is utilizing that thing as some sort of makeshift demolition gun bolted to the rear of a truck.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    welcome back spg9

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The orks got the weirdboyz working, I see.
    Ngl, I like this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek!
      Upon capture, this will be found to be made of springs and sewer pipes tack welded to a wheelbarrow that just LOOKED like real weapon.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I present to you, a 2A42 salvaged from a BMP-2 in Yemen to be fixed to a technical.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What should they use as a chassis this time around?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Zis-30's red-headed stepchild

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally Brigador.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The S-60 is cool.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the ballistic glass, the crew considerations like the welded on ladder, the clean and effective camo paint job
          Like I said, Arab militias in countries entering their second decade of civil war cobble together better shit out of parts they find exploded across the desert wastes than the 2nd army can manage from a depot 200 miles from the front. It’s fricking astounding.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >is gun, is of self propelled
        >what are complain about sergey

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know Russian love to larp and love them some 40k but what the frick!?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        THE GREAT LEADER IS DEAD

        SOLO MOSKVA MUST FALL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A BMP-1

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I keked. They should mount it on the roof of a T-62

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We need more MT-LB weapon carriers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        unironically this, MT-LB is abundant in numbers, it has low ground pressure meaning it can go just about anywhere & it has both volume and load capacity to serve as a platform to a lot of different things, plus it's pretty much the Komsomolets T-20's successor as an artillery tractor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MT-LB is abundant in numbers
          lol, lmao even

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia started the war with 3300, they have lost approximately a thousand, so they have some 2000 left, Belarus has 70 & Azerbaijan has a few hundred which ruskis might be able to buy if necessary.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah and they are already used for purposes of carrying troops, ammo or dragging arty. Unless you want Russia to remove them from active service, weld random shit on top and bring inferior replacements to do what they were doing before

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unless you want Russia to remove them from active service, weld random shit on top and bring inferior replacements to do what they were doing before
                I do. Bonus points for posting photos or videos of said random shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MT-LB is
          was

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mt-lb is abundant in numbers for the Ukrainians.....

          And EOS is refining stabilised rws autocannons for their mt-lbs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MT-LB is abundant in numbers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >MT-LB is abundant in numbers
            *was* abundant in numbers. FOr the alst few months it's started running low.

            >MT-LB is abundant in numbers
            Anon, I...

            ruskis have over 2000 of them left, granted I made the mistake of thinking they can make more, only to learn the factory is/was in Ukraine only after posting.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >over 2000 of them left
              That really isn't all that many for what's at this point a glorified utility vehicle

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >2000
              it's kinda crazy that Russia has fewer of their shitty APC than they had tanks at the start of the war

              that's like the US having fewer M113s than they have Abrams today

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia has fewer of their shitty APC
                it is more of a tracked, lightly armored truck than a proper APC & was originally intended to be an artillery tractor, then ruskis found it to be a good platform to build ambulances, command posts, SPGs etc. on, as for why Russia has so few of them, they were made in Ukraine, Russia probably lost a lot of them over the years to, well, being hardware used by Russian military & the remaining ones were probably thought to be enough for the specific roles they were being used for before 2022, and then they got the bright idea to invade Ukraine without proper APCs that can traverse Ukraine during raspubreastsa so the MT-LB got forced into APC role.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm familiar
                that's why I said "M113", which is the closest US analogue

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and then they got the bright idea to invade Ukraine without proper APCs that can traverse Ukraine during raspubreastsa so the MT-LB got forced into APC role.
                That's not really the issue. BMP's are only a couple metric tons heavier than MT-LB's, so they really should be fine(ish) for mud. And the Soviets produced BMP's at a scale where they could reasonably be expected to be able to outfit virtually all their front-line mech infantry with them.

                The issue is how badly the in storage BMP fleet has deteriorated, and how many have been lost in the current war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so they really should be fine(ish) for mud
                Mud? The Ukrainian countryside is not ''mud''
                It's one of the richest black soils in the world.
                Add just a gypsy's tear worth of water and it turns impassable during the ''5th'' season (shitflood)
                Remember that 40km deadlock of every single vehicle the Russians committed to Kiev in the beginning days? They didn't fear mines, they KNEW with native certainty how soviet mech performs in the thawing black soil.
                Soil is not just soil. The ground is different in differing geographic locations. Ukrainian mud is the worst mud in the world. It moonlights as a bottomless swamp between spring and summer.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well shit, looking at Oryx's numbers, is perfectly possible Ukraine now has more MT-LBs than russia

              frick, im checking the BTR losses too, the golf car and bike assaults make sense now, russia has lost a huge chunk of their transport fleet, like they legitimately might run out of transports before they run out of tanks or artillery

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia had to use MT-LBs in Avdiivka to make up for their lack of BMPs. I'm wondering how far they're willing to go. Maybe we'll see more BTR-50s?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sattelite osint says there are not many btr-50 to go around anymore. but they still have around 1k of MT-LBu behemoths lying around

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny because by most estimates they weren't supposed to have any T-54s or BTR-50s left

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if they are completely out of MT-LB, shouldn't they at least have pickup trucks to mount these on?
                Why make a field cannon that's worse than WW1 and WW2 museum pieces?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MT-LB is abundant in numbers
          *was* abundant in numbers. FOr the alst few months it's started running low.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >MT-LB is abundant in numbers
          Anon, I...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        unironically this, MT-LB is abundant in numbers, it has low ground pressure meaning it can go just about anywhere & it has both volume and load capacity to serve as a platform to a lot of different things, plus it's pretty much the Komsomolets T-20's successor as an artillery tractor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you actually believe ukrainian statistics then i have a bridge to sell to you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Should we trust the russian ones then?*~~

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >three mobik crewed 2A28s poking out of each side
      >firing full broadsides at Abrams

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A7V at home

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they still have like 1000 BTR-50s unusued

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      track converted UAZ and Lada

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Loaf van

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >73-mm 2A28 “Grom”
    "The OG-15V HE-Frag round weighs 4.57 kilograms (10 lb 1 oz), it uses an OG-9 shell with a 0.73 kg (1 lb 10 oz) TNT bursting charge."
    so, HE is comparable to a mortar round, cool.
    "The HEAT warhead can penetrate 280–350 millimetres (11–14 in) of steel armor—more than enough to penetrate the frontal armor of NATO main battle tanks (MBT)s of the 1970s, such as the US M60A1, the British Chieftain or the German Leopard 1.[6] The modernised PG-9 shell is able to penetrate up to 400 millimetres (16 in) of steel armor."
    translation: even an M72 is better at killing armored vehicles, so this is useless as an anti-armor weapon.
    "On the ranges, the PG-9 proved capable of hitting a 2-metre (6.6 ft) high target at a range of 765 metres (837 yd), while its maximum direct fire range is 1,300 metres (1,400 yd), reduced to 400 metres (440 yd) at night, due to the limitations of the night vision system. Under battlefield conditions, it has a maximum effective range of 500 metres (550 yd).[7]

    Maximum effective indirect range of the OG-15V HE-Frag round against formation targets is 4,400 metres (4,800 yd). Its effective direct fire range against small point targets is around 1,000 metres (1,100 yd)."
    even worse, the HEAT can't hit the broad side of a barn from a distance where the crew would be safe from anything but small arms fire, and the HE can't hit a machine gun position from a safe distance (1000 meters is well within effective range of a PKM)

    it may be marginally superior to the 2B9M on paper (greater maximum range & bigger warhead), but I suspect a 2B9M crew would have much greater life-expectancy in combat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SPG-9 HEAT warhead can penetrate up to 300mm of RHA, and a King Tiger's max front armor is only 185mm. So yeah.

      >suddenly reminded that M72 LAW can kill anything fielded by anyone during WWII
      brb, I need to rob a bank so I can buy a trainload of M72s from Nammo, build a time machine & deliver the weapons to Finnish Army in 1944.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        also, anyone know a good source for buying serviceable PKMs in bulk?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope we can reform or rehabilitate the russians. We might need their orkiness to deal with ayys.
    Where else will we find morons willing to fight with Black person rigged shit they built with an alibaba stick welder?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Where else will we find morons willing to fight with Black person rigged shit they built with an alibaba stick welder?
      The rest of the third world is full of them.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    insallah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wanna see what happens when that turret gets zapped.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will finally tremble at the sight of our finest engineering

    SLAVA RUSSIYA

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    VVVVVVVVVVVVGH

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >73-mm 2A28 “Grom” gun
    Of all the things they could have used...

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >less range than an actual medium mortar
    >less accuracy too
    >more likely to draw the attention of drones faster given towed set-up

    What
    the ~3 million Nork shells given earlier this year running thin so soon?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tell you what though, hide this thing in one of those cellars with the small ground level windows when you're defending from raid groups, and you'd scare the frick out of enemy infantry trying to clear towns.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    73mm "Smekalka-1"

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that the 2A28 Grom is one of the worst guns ever made gives this an additional twist, I love it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Has anyone bothered with a fully automated rws stabilised kit for it?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia is running out of time, money and artillery

    [...]

    >Russian Losses of Weapons May 26th

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That chicken legged house
      Did they take out Baba Yaga?

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, it’s certainly better than that 2A28 mounted onto a Flintstones car.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother making a shitty contraption when they have a perfect, portable and reliable RF like the SPG-9?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *RR

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was probably slapped together by conscripts in the field from a wrecked BMP and a wrecked mortar, if this is factory made I'll actually die laughing

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am playing the Warno campaign and I love how the East Germans field towed AT guns and it is considered hilariously outdated in a game set in the 80's.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those same guns have been used in Ukraine, though chiefly as improv artillery. Have an actually decent Mad Max tank destroyer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Love these guys.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >day 869 of 3 day special operation
    >2nd strongest military in the world with inexhaustible amount of armor and the most advanced ships, submarines, tanks, infantry, robots and airplanes.
    >the aforementioned military has begun taking off guns from bmp1 and putting them on towed carriages since russia has resorted to using and losing most of their AFV's that were produced before M16 was mass adopted
    >the zigger vatniks are still convinced russia is about to win.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >According to comparative data published in the book "БMП-1 (1964-2000): Бoeвaя мaшинa пeхoты" by Sergey Malyshev, a basic BMP-1 only has a 35% chance of eliminating an ATGM team with two shots from its cannon at a range of 500 meters. This drops to a measly 10% at a range of 1,000 meters. For comparison, a 30mm autocannon (the 2A72 in this case) has a 100% chance of eliminating an ATGM team with sixteen shots at 500 meters, 50% chance at 2,500 meters, and 40% chance at a range of 4,000 meters. In this comparison, both vehicles are stationary. Against ground targets, the main downside of the 73mm HEAT rounds fired from the "Grom" is that they have an extremely limited fragmentation effect and the explosive charge is not powerful enough to ensure the elimination of soft-skinned targets in the open unless it detonates close to the target.
    >The casing of the PG-9 grenade is made from aluminium and weighs only 0.9 kg. A light aluminium casing is exceptionally poor at fragmentation compared to the typical steel casings of tank-fired HEAT shells, and indeed, thin aluminium casings are used in offensive hand grenades like the RGN grenade for this reason. The poor fragmentation effect makes the PG-9 highly anemic against dispersed infantry on open ground, but the 0.322 kg explosive charge can still cause significant damage to light fortifications as it is equivalent to a 0.515 kg TNT charge. In practice, the actual blasting effect should be stronger than the explosive weight alone suggests, because according to studies such as "The analysis of the equivalent bare charge of aluminum cased charge exploding in confined space", the reactivity of aluminium casings on TNT charges increases the total energy of the explosion by 18-26%. The combustion of aluminium particles among the other detonation products acts as a fuel additive, increasing the heat of the explosion and thus enhancing the blast loading.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The OG-9G warhead of the grenade has a 0.73 kg filler of A-IX-1. The explosiveness of A-IX-1 is 1.58 times higher than TNT. This is quite good, but it is still slightly lower than pure hexogen due to the presence of a wax phlegmatizer to stabilize the explosive compound. In terms of explosive effect, the OG-9G warhead is equivalent to 1.15 kg of TNT. This is almost twice that of tank-fired 75mm and 76mm HE shells.

      Like the PG-9, the OG-9 grenade uses the same PG-15P propellant charge. The grenade body has a perforated tube section in lieu of a rocket motor. When the PG-15P charge is detonated, the perforated tube of the grenade fills with expanding gasses which results in a reduction in chamber pressure. Due to the low muzzle velocity and the lack of a rocket motor, the OG-15V has a very pronounced arcing ballistic trajectory, similar to a mortar bomb.
      >The cast steel casing of the warhead weighs 2.83 kilograms. The walls of the warhead cavity can be seen in the photo below. Photo by RaiderBox. With a TNT equivalence of 1.15 kg, the mass of the filler is 40% of the mass of the steel casing. The mass of the explosive charge is quite large for a grenade of its caliber, but the thickness of the steel casing is considerably less than a tank-fired HE shell of a similar caliber. For comparison, the steel casing of the M309 HE shell weighs 5.35 kg. Due to the use of cast steel rather than forged steel, made possible by the low velocity of the grenade, and the relatively thin casing walls, the fragmentation effect is likely to be excellent.

      In summary, a worse Pak-36.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >, a 30mm autocannon (the 2A72 in this case) has a 100% chance of eliminating an ATGM team with sixteen shots at 500 meters
      Someone post the BMPT barrel whip webm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BOI-OI-OI-OI-OING

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          COMMENCE THE JIGGLIN'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a basic BMP-1 only has a 35% chance of eliminating an ATGM team with two shots from its cannon at a range of 500 meters. This drops to a measly 10% at a range of 1,000 meters
      And this is when the Grom is mounted on the BMP, i wonder what it is now
      Imagine having to be 500m off your enemy to hit anything, it legit makes the TOS look like long range arty

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Quite L I T E R A L L Y

    One for the history books.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't we just have a smegkalkma thread ..? Spread them out a bit, then they'll be more fun. Otherwise you'll kill them like the /k/aturday threads got sukudo'd..

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    somehow donbabwe in 2015 had better towed fire support gun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like a french or south african vehicle

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can this be used as a mountain gun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on how much elevation/depression the gun carriage is capable of.
      I'm guessing they didn't have that in mind when they Black personrigged this thing together.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to the BMP?

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At this point I doubt they could even beat an african shithole.
    Benin would kick Russia's ass.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The soldiers at the front identified a need for this weapon and created it from the materials at hand. Do you think American soldiers would show this kind of initiative? If they had it do they have the skills to make it? If they made it they would be disciplined to mandatory globohomosexual training by their nonbinary kommisar.
    Much has been said about the lack of an NCO corps in the Russian military during this SMO, but truly this shows that every Russian soldier is their own NCO and US NCOs are just glorified globohomosexual enforcers. They will march into Warsaw by Orthodox Christmas.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DA cumrag, great smegmalka will see HATO pigdog in ruin*~~*~~*~~

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus, Arab militias mounting these guns on Hiluxes have more practical applications than this towed relic. Why, just fricking why? Are they seriously out of mtlb already?

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did they run out of SPG 9 or someshit?
    seriously

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>US military made an improvised hedgerow cutter by installing a bunch of scrap metal on the front of their tanks.
    >1st military in the world my ass

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what is the equipment status for russia if they have to come up with this frankenstein shit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I refuse to believe that this thing is born out of actual lack of equipment, as Russia should have shittonnes of SPG-9s in its stockpiles and those would shit over this sad-sack attempt to create a field gun. So realistically, it’s probably more about their logistics and equipment allocation being utter irrdeemable garbage than about them actually running out of SPG-9s or equivalent systems.

      However, if I’m wrong and they actually need to do stuff like this because that’s all they can get, then I’m speechless.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine a towed 25mm/30mm chaingun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    legit thought it was a colorized ww2 pic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WW2 artillery would have a gun shield.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is a low-pressure gun already not known for its accuracy.

    Honestly, a re-furbed ZiS-3 might have been better. Oh well. You use the tools you have, not the ones you want.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not a bad idea.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You making the comments about the SPG-9 must be trolling, the grom has half the effective range and a quarter more rounds per minute... When on a wheeled chassis it is more suited to close range support than an SPG. Whether it is factory made or not is moot.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >potentially allows it to be used indoors

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just do what ISIS does and hook it up to an SUV? Armor doesn't matter because the BMP-1 has dogshit armor anyway and I've never seen the Russians ever use the grom when driving in the BMP-1.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is actually a high IQ move, Russia and their monkey-tier weaponry is just preparing themselves to fight after they've been nuked into the Stone Age, it won't hurt them if they're already there.

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