> Russian has guided munition

> Russian has guided munition
> They've been fighting for 8 months and still using unguided bombs hence can't achieve air superiority.
What's wrong with the Russians? Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They need western technology for it. Russia always heavily relied on technological imports.

    China maybe can supply them this time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >China maybe can supply them this time.
      they wouldve by now if they could

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They could but don't want to

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe it'll happen in a decade when Russian political power is a fully hollowed out Chinese proxy, if that happens. But right now, Russia failed too hard, too fast, too big, for China to ever throw in like that. Until there is a new regime that China can enforce a new, more beneficial and subserviant relationship with, they're blacklisted.
          China is nervous but hopeful. They're alone in their quest for multipolar geopolitics, but they also don't have to think about sharing the top of their mountain anymore.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if it was in their interest
        FTFY. China can’t risk losing the US market

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?
    all of their seekers use western tech

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They need western technology for it. Russia always heavily relied on technological imports.

      China maybe can supply them this time.

      They ran out and can't make more due to sanctions

      Why? The chinks have been making simple domestically produced electronics and microprocessors since at least the 90s. We're talking 1980s technology which China makes themselves, not modern Western tech made in Taiwan or South Korea.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are sourcing Chinese components via shell companies, doing various bits of sanctions busting, but it's not enough. The big Chinese suppliers seems to be complying with sanctions, or at least not trading directly with the Russians.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Why? The chinks have been making simple domestically produced electronics and microprocessors since at least the 90s. We're talking 1980s technology
        Electronics industry is dead.
        late soviet - watch asianometry vid(USSR chose to not bother with research and "copy US homework", but could not keep up in 1980s).
        90s - complex products are decades behind and nobody needs them, some primitive components are still produced, but companies quickly die off too and nobody cares.
        present - domestic manufacturing is completely dead, no facilities, no professionals.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because all the smart Russians found a way to get out of Russia.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably they just dont care. Probably they spend more in vodka than in importing microcontrollers and sensors from china for new ammo.

    Even Iranians are more serious about technology.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anybody would be running low on high-end munitions after 8 months of high intensity conflict, sorry "special military operation". Although in Russia's case it's not clear that they even had a lot to begin with.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      America dumped more guided ordinance during the invasion stage of OIF than Russia has in Syria and Ukraine combined.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their guided missiles use foreign components

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?
    No. Even more fucked up than that tough.
    >They didn't purchase any from China, or shit even France.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They ran out and can't make more due to sanctions

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They used most of them in first month.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PGMs are expensive. Russia is poor. Nigeria with nukes.

    You always have to remember that the Soviet Union collapsed not because its military was weak, but that its economy was. Russia is an oligarchic mono-economy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      JDAM and Paveway are cheap.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        a JDAM kit costs around $25-80k depending on what version it is. The newest ones are integrating a jamming-resistant GPS. The Strategic Anti-jam Beam-forming Receiver (SABR) GPS receiver.

        Foreign sales are even more expensive than what the US pays. Likely in the $40-50k range.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >40-50k
          Thats cheap for a PGM.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it is, but it's also expensive compared to unguided munitions which can be a couple of hundred bucks to a few grand.

            Russia can drop 10x as much unguided munitions and hit less than 1% of their targets, but they don't have to rely on imported components, so it's a net win.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Paveway
        The latest Paveway the GBU-72, a 5,000lbs bunker buster, in 2022 they bought 125 for $36M, a cool $288k each, but that's partially cause it's brand new.

        GBU-27 costs around $50k

        The expensive part isn't the bomb, it's the guidance. So even smaller precision guided bombs tend to be pretty expensive.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All these fancy things are for export only. Russia can not afford them.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What's wrong with the Russians? Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?
    Russia doesn't have the economy or large enough industrial base to build up and maintain a 21st century military

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >use the enemy's resources to build your own weapons
    BASED

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Lol, retard. Importing cheap raw materials so you don't have to extract them yourself isn't the same as importing components you don't have the ability to make

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What's wrong with the Russians? Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?

    Sure, John American. Laser swords, optics, non-rotten bandages, ungapped anuses and multiple guided munitions per army, just like in your Hollywood movies. Such things simply do not exist in real world!

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Their relationship with the west is much more lucrative and sustainable than an unstable shithole ruled by a psychotic dictator like Russia.
    Uhhh multipolarbros? This was supposed to be the Eurasian century...

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're been using guided munitions plenty, it's just not feasible to do it for every strike.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They expected a short mission that wouldn't take more than few days/weeks at most. Thats what everyone expected as well. Not a going stalemate for nearly a year now.

    So they didn't build up enough smart munitions. For one, if they did try to build up inventory, everyone would know their intentions right away. So they used their old inventories.

    But the sanctions meant they were cut off from the hightech chips necessary to mass produce smart missiles

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Couldn't they mass-produce guided munition?
    Russia can't even manufacture a car with airbags or seatbelt fasteners without importing stuff from the West. What gave you the impression they could pump out PGMs?

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. They build small series of iterative versions, meaning that they never get a large amount of anything (while spending assloads of money)

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian has guided munition
    had

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