Russian Equipment in Ukraine

Were did all the "Ratnik" class equipment go?

>most troops don't have helmets/boots/body armour
>not a single ak-12 in sight, all vatniks are dying/being captured with ak100 series and ak74 series rifles
>artillery/mechanized equipment so old my grandfather probably used it when he was serving in the soviet block

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally sold to airsoft larpers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Corruption anon, corruption. Money was siphoned, gear sold on the black market (or Ebay/Kalinka), corners cut, paperwork falsified, maskirovkas created to fool the public, etc etc, and this is the result. Most of it existed only in small numbers and on paper, and what did exist in quantity was sold off under the table, some of it ironically to /nvg/, /gq/, and various airsoft larpers via Kalinka, Ebay, Soviet-Power, Varusteleka, and so on.

      Yep.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its like a repeat of the cola wars culminating with pepsi buying a chunk of the baltic fleet with soda.
      >We're disarming the Soviets faster than the United States government.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No money because of massive, institutionalized corruption. I'd be surprised if even 50% of the funding for projects was actually spent towards them.
      >most troops don't have helmets/boots/body armour
      Disappeared from inventory by soldiers and sold on Ebay and other online stores
      >not a single ak-12 in sight, all vatniks are dying/being captured with ak100 series and ak74 series rifles
      I've seen plenty of captured AK-12s, though I also don't consider it a substantial improvement over the AK-74M and AK-100 series.
      As for the latter rifles showing up in large numbers, they probably don't have enough money for total replacement considering how they cut almost all of the improvements and new features of the prototype AK-12.
      >artillery/mechanized equipment so old my grandfather probably used it when he was serving in the soviet block
      No money or (entirely domestic) industrial capability to produce them quickly and at stable rates. Even before the war, the amount of modern gun and rocket artillery, for example, was not enough to reach total replacement levels of Soviet vintage hardware.
      As for their "cutting edge" stuff, it's pretty obvious how things like the Su-57 and T-14 Armata are going.

      Besides theft and corruption, I imagine that they also cut into domestic orders to fulfill foreign orders of their equipment.

      This
      I'm going to get a full set of vatnik larp gear once this war ends and captured shit floods the market

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Yukari

    >what happened to AN-94
    >what happened to T-80 Black Eagle
    >what happened to Armata
    >What happened to SU-57
    >what happened to SU-47
    Third world dictatorships are known for buying a handful of meme shit they know they can't afford for the sake of looking like a powerful, advanced country.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >most troops don't have helmets/boots/body armour
    >>not a single ak-12 in sight, all vatniks are dying/being captured with ak100 series and ak74 series rifles

    I saw a pile of new gear (vests, armor, helmets etc.) and lots of brand new shiny AK12-s abandoned by ork troops at one river, few months ago.
    I have a video somewhere, but might take me a moment to find it, I saved so many...

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A few AK12s have been spotted but they are pretty shitty from all accounts, not to mention since they don't mount optics or any accessories on them, the picatinny rails are a pointless improvement.
    That's why I don't understand with Russia, all that pointless modern shit that is shilled for years and in the end only a handful of units have been actually built and fielded.
    Furthermore, the AK74M is just fine, making a "new" weapon to replace seems retarded when you've already got millions of those. Just add a two picatinny rail mount on the side mount, attach an optic and a IR laser to it, give NVGs to troops and be done with it. What was the point of looking a replacement for it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >A few AK12s have been spotted but they are pretty shitty from all accounts, not to mention since they don't mount optics or any accessories on them

      The stuff I saw by said river had russian optics on it, and the rufies ware shiny, looked like straight from factory.
      Cant find the video now, fuck me.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        russian optics are generally abysmal

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          russians straight up using eotechs and aimpoints instead of their own stuff. i am curious about the zenitco dots but they are pricey and didn't have enough time before the war to actually buy any

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          russians straight up using eotechs and aimpoints instead of their own stuff. i am curious about the zenitco dots but they are pricey and didn't have enough time before the war to actually buy any

          id take chinkshit over slavshit optics any day

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That ain't much of an accomplishment nowadays. Holosun has optics that are UNIRONICALLY combat-proven, duty-ready optics. Having used Russian optics I would go as far as to say I'd use shit like dirt cheap chinese optics (like a 403r, Romeo4 or MSR) over Russian optics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Correction, they had their optics mounted *backwards*

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I had a russian red dot long ago. It was simple but robust and cool, had V or . mark, 2x magnification, built like a brick. I liked it.

          I regret selling it.

          I mean its not rocket science, russians can sometimes build good stuff.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I regret that my stupid ass gave away 1P87 from that AK-12.It was just a rds, but anyway. I'd never put it on my AR-15, but that's good trophy from this war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically what

      No money because of massive, institutionalized corruption. I'd be surprised if even 50% of the funding for projects was actually spent towards them.
      >most troops don't have helmets/boots/body armour
      Disappeared from inventory by soldiers and sold on Ebay and other online stores
      >not a single ak-12 in sight, all vatniks are dying/being captured with ak100 series and ak74 series rifles
      I've seen plenty of captured AK-12s, though I also don't consider it a substantial improvement over the AK-74M and AK-100 series.
      As for the latter rifles showing up in large numbers, they probably don't have enough money for total replacement considering how they cut almost all of the improvements and new features of the prototype AK-12.
      >artillery/mechanized equipment so old my grandfather probably used it when he was serving in the soviet block
      No money or (entirely domestic) industrial capability to produce them quickly and at stable rates. Even before the war, the amount of modern gun and rocket artillery, for example, was not enough to reach total replacement levels of Soviet vintage hardware.
      As for their "cutting edge" stuff, it's pretty obvious how things like the Su-57 and T-14 Armata are going.

      Besides theft and corruption, I imagine that they also cut into domestic orders to fulfill foreign orders of their equipment.

      This
      I'm going to get a full set of vatnik larp gear once this war ends and captured shit floods the market

      said, the AK-12's modern features were all cut in favor of shitty airsoft-tier rails and furniture. Why did any of it occur? Because of absolutely bonkers levels of Africa-tier corruption inherent in everything Russian. Attaching shit to a stock AK-74 would've been far cheaper, but of course that doesn't present an opportunity for truly massive amounts of graft and procurement fraud, does it? The great irony is that the AK-12 turned into what you described as cheaper: An AK-74 with rails and shit added to it. But of course they charged wunderwaffe-tier prices because, of course, insane corruption at all levels.

      What would be the point of fielding a rifle like that if you can't afford to put an optic on every troops rifle or a suppressor to make the adjustable gas useful? Russia is not exactly an advanced or rich nation.

      Because it was never really intended to have optics or even be a competent rifle, like most mass-produced Russian military gear it was just an opportunity for massive procurement fraud. And that's it. That's all there really is to it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Yukari

        can you imagine being an Oxide - like slavaboo and paying boatloads of money to smuggle in an AK-12 or similar parts kit only to realize what a gigantic piece of shit it is

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/bBvl3FD.jpg

          >not a single ak-12 in sight
          Half of them probably disintegrated in the first month.

          Literally airsoft-tier. Given Russian "manufacturing" capabilities lately, I wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't been farmed out to Chinese subcontractors. This also explains the fairly realistic looking AK-12 airsoft furniture conversion kits you see trickling out of the Asian market; they're probably at least partially made up of parts diverted from the actual production line.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This also explains the fairly realistic looking AK-12 airsoft furniture conversion kits you see trickling out of the Asian market; they're probably at least partially made up of parts diverted from the actual production line.
            hardly. small-volume hong kong airsoft manufacturers like HAO are absolutely meticulous, they only need a few photos. They were churning out knockoff GBRS rails the same month they were unveiled.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Irony is, these are probably higher quality and materially tougher than the real thing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                quite possible. Most airshit is junk, but there are some really good ones, very decent quality if you're willing to pay good money for it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Airsoft tier would be an improvement given how autustic those guys in taiwan and japan can get

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i was going to buy one from one of the kit sites but man, dodged that bullet. never knew how shit they were. thought they'd be at least as good as a 74 with zenitco equipment on iti was going to sacrifice one of my uncoverted saigas to make a 12 or a 15.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rape tripfags and then kill them

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What would be the point of fielding a rifle like that if you can't afford to put an optic on every troops rifle or a suppressor to make the adjustable gas useful? Russia is not exactly an advanced or rich nation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      adjustable gas is still useful on non-suppressed rifles, but yes, not quite as much so as on a suppressed one.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was a video with a bunch of gear and AK-12s lying on the ground, literally abandoned by Russian soldiers sometime in February-March.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >insert picture of Shugoi showing off his wood collection to Putin

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not a single ak-12 in sight
    Half of them probably disintegrated in the first month.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, kleptocrats didn't expect a real war so they considered military contracts as the way to get rich. AK-12 is a very prominent example of those corruption schemes
    1. create a product with a western help
    2. get a military contract with a note to correct some shortcomings
    3. under the guise of an original product, slip something as cheap as possible

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Were did all the "Ratnik" class equipment go?
    Ebay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you ever do your accuracy test?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that selector switch damn near falling off the gun

      Someone was paid to design that. Jesus Christ it looks like it can go even further too

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta keep the best stuff close to home in case of emergency.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what the fuck happened to that mag

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The flat part allows you to lie the gun flat while prone. The magazine also has witness holes to easily see how much ammo is loaded. Those who have used the AK-12 call it the best feature. Ironic since it's by far the easiest feature to transfer to an AK-74. It's just a magazine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no but why is it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          strengthening to make up for witness holes

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vdv in hostomel and some elite tank units pushing on kyiv had all the nice toys... and then ofc just lost most of them

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stuck in an elevator in Kyiv

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why use all the good gear on this limited operation? They are holding back for humanitarian reasons

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen some ratnik equipment. Besides other things, junky messy not so little box had "I'm dead" button. I assume, this was made for other troops to claim their teammate died. Also we've captured six Russians and one of them was a platoon commander with AK-12. It's interesting gun but even Russians say that AK-RMO is way better in terms of materials and shit.

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