>Russian deaths in Afghanistan over 9 years: 26000 (+18000 Afghani allies)
>Russian deaths in Ukraine over 15 months: 35000-43000
Fucking how?
>Russian deaths in Afghanistan over 9 years: 26000 (+18000 Afghani allies)
>Russian deaths in Afghanistan over 9 years: 26000 (+18000 Afghani allies)
>Russian deaths in Ukraine over 15 months: 35000-43000
Fucking how?
-43000
Under conservative estimates.
And without counting the ones who die when a veteran of the SMO returns to Russia and gets into a fight or two trying to rape somebody's wife.
Does US intelligence count merc and LDNR loses? I can easily believe 150k dead if you count those.
Do you know how I know that the losses are much greater? These numbers suggest that Russians have competent doctors.
Oryx and the US estimate put Russia at losing 10,000+ vehicles.
So even if you count mechanized units dying alone, it definitely is higher than 40,000. Infantry has been the most battered element this war, their deaths definitely add up.
Oryx is a CIA press release center, so that media outlets can cite oryx as their source since they can't cite the CIA.
Medicatie nu.
>losing 10,000+ vehicles.
To use that information we would need to know what percentage were just abandoned/broken down vehicles dragged away by a ukie farmer, what percentage were just a mobility kill without casualties and abandoned etc.
Not that I think Russian vehicles have very good crew survivability rates, but if the discussion is about trying to get accurate casualty rates then you'd need to take those into consideration.
Google says 15000
>Google
You mean Yandex, right?
If Yandex is Encyclopaedia Britannica, Wikipedia and my The Soviet-Afghan War book, then sure. Moron
>Russian deaths in Afghanistan over 9 years
You used the soviet propaganda numbers and the first wikipedia source you could find, not your own book, clearly lying lmao.
The more accurate 26k death figure is also on that wikipedia page. Retard. Liar.
you think hiding casualties is a new russian tradition or smth?
>conservative
unrealistically minimalistic rather, pentagon takes absolutely minimum they can confirm at least somehow, it's a valid approach for not directly involved 3rd party, but frankly speaking it just means that they are willingly wrong
Try that times 10, pidorashka. And google doesn't say that.
I could think of a few obvious reasons
The intensity of the war isn't even comparable. It's actually surprising that Russia only lost 35-45k and I think that can say a lot about how much medical care in the military has improved.
>medical care in the military has improved.
H-h-how bad was it in the 80s?
There’s a reason no one ever talks about Russian medical care
>There’s a reason no one ever talks about Russian medical care
That's where you're wrong bucko
I call BS that Russia had lost more men than Ukraine. Not a god damn chance.
> no my heckin impoverished attackerino HAS to have massively improbably at best ratios!
Me like you. Here banan. Continue good work. Russia strong. West fake.
why?
Ukraine's advantages are
>defensive
>better equipment
>western training (potentially over valuing life)
Russia's are
>larger population pool
everything indicates that Russia should have far more causalities
>defender's advantage
vs
>meat waves of conscripts
and you assume Ukraine has lost more? Come now.
if we want to pretend it's big-brained to have convicts get blown up and then move in with your elite forces after the oppo depltes most of their ammo, that's at least semi-defensible. But it still means the Russia KDA is going to look shitty af.
2 more weeks Ivan
wow life really starting to imitate the memes huh
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THESE ARE SOMEONE'S COPERS. SOMEONE'S SHILLS
Prigozhin literally owns the glavset.
Are you calling Commisar Prigozhin a liar?
2.5 times more according to US documents.
You can seethe all you want but it's the truth
Russia has been attacking into Ukrainian defenses for the most part. This generally results in more casualties for the attacker. Especially in instances where the defender can use entrenchments and strongpoints. The rest of Russia's campaign has mostly involved them getting constantly ambushed. Only two major Ukrainian offensives have occurred One was a complete rout (Kharkiv) and the other (Kherson) resulted in the Russians running away after about a month. Neither was a long grinding campaign where Russia had a defensive advantage and was able to attrite Ukraine for a long period at a favorable rate. Other factors that help reduce casualties:
1. The decrepit state of Russian medical care. Reporting from soldiers that they lack proper casualty evacuation, sending injured soldiers back to duty, leaving their injured soldiers behind to die, widespread medical issues like Hep and HIV, etc..
2. Widescale reporting on the Russian lack of proper training and frontline equipment. The Golden Hour + Platinum minute means the difference between life and death. Ukraine has better medical equipment and training for troops.
3. Ukraine has nearby hospitals and proper casualty evacuation. They have specialized donated medical facilities and supplies from the west for traumatic injuries. Russia is sanctioned and lacks the foreign exchange to prioritize medicines.
4. Ukraine is getting help from western hospitals for the gravely injured and those needing long term care.
5. OSINT data shows a 3-to-1 loss ratio of vehicles which translates well into casualties and deaths.
6. Video evidences shows much higher Russian losses.
7. Statements from Russian sources about high casualties versus Ukraine. Statements from Ukraine about high Russian casualties.
8. Ukraine has been donated high quality equipment (tents, stoves, generators, coats, boots, etc..) to avoid non-combat casualties. Russian is sending guys out in stolen sneakers.
Keep Coping.
Good effortpost, thanks anon
>(Kherson) resulted in the Russians running away after about a month. Neither was a long grinding campaign where Russia had a defensive advantage and was able to attrite Ukraine
To be fair Kherson was like that. Not sure if you remeber but Ukies tried to capture Snihurivka for at least month and in the end they only got it when most of Russians already retreated.
I also remember the constant back and forth around Kyselivka.
Kherson campaign wasn't as bad as shitshow around Bakhmut but it deffinitely was attirting.
Idiots like are unironcially the reason why the Russians are fucking losing. You are shown by countless OPs showing Russian soldiers being killed by the hundreds daily through a combination of incompetence, malicious neglect, and Ukrainian battlefield skill and yet somehow manage to continue living in the willful fucking denial of it.
As far as I'm concerned, you might as well be living on a different fucking planet with your inability to perceive reality.
This is something I was actually thinking some time ago, if these guys actually started checking all the points we have presented here, watched guys like Peru instead of UH LE GAYMER!!!LEL!!! and used it as a sensible base for military reform they would have probably managed to at least take over most of Ukraine by now, instead they chauvinistically keep being contrarianists and attempting to deny reality despite how much it's hurting them.
I would say we should stop telling them in the remote case they were willing to do some introspection, but then I remembered if one of them even suggested that they will call him gay or degenerate so I guess we are good.
On another note, damn Reze perfectly portrays vatniks current fate so well.
What is the source of that image?
Chainsaw Man
A nice crop of (You)'s for minimal effort. I can respect that.
>acting like a retard and being laughed at is respectable
Ah 4chan, how low you’ve sunk
I unironically like this. Vintage Apple gear gives me 2000s nostalgia. You know back when I was a teenager and not miles in debt.
How could it not?
Of course it's bullshit. Everyone with half a brain knows it's bullshit. This thread is full of MKULTRA victims just repeating shit they heard on CNN. These retards would have you believe that Russia is sending wave after wave of human meat into fortified defensive positions, desperately trying and gain ground, but it's not the case at all.
The SMO has been extremely slow and methodical in its advance. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that the Russians have made widespread use of feeler/probe drones to sniff out entrenched positions and then used air superiority and artillery to blow the hell out of it before sending in any actual men. We've all heard the "They said they'd take Kiev in a month" meme, but it's a retard talking point; Russia has stated that's not the point of what they're trying to do, and what they've actually been doing in practice for the past year confirms that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>"They said they'd take Kiev in a month" meme, but it's a retard talking point; Russia has stated that's not the point of what they're trying to do
Imagine being these tv personalities. Knowing that if Russia loses you'll be some of the first to be at the end of a rope
>Knowing that if Russia loses you'll be some of the first to be at the end of a rope
IF Russia loses they can just retreat to their own borders and everything will be find for them.
The only situation in which the ICC might actually trial someone noteworthy it will be if Russia bursts into Civil War or peacefully Balkanizes and the resulting governments decide to prosecute/deport the individuals they could catch.
Here's the truth: The US administration is just using this as a way to launder money and make Raytheon and Boeing another trillion dollars. The Kiev regime is completely subservient to this end, and doesn't actually give a shit about its people, its country, or winning the war. They're going to keep sending men to the front until the amount of death and desertion reaches a critical mass, and then they're going to cash out. There's already talks of handing over the eastern part of the country to Poland (Lviv is half Polish anyway, from what I understand) and then they'll sell out to the EU, make some kind of big rebuild/economic "restructuring deal" which turns the country into a debt slave of the IMF.
Meanwhile, the US ruling class will have made a ton of money, added a portion of Ukrainian territory to NATO, and created a useful puppet regime that lords over a no-man's-land full of hostile neo-Nazis right on Russia's doorstep. Zelensky can keep drumming up anti-Russian sentiment in the EU (separating Europe from Russia's natural resource exports and making them even more dependent on the US). The Donbass will be annexed by Russia, just like Crimea was, and this will be used as a convenient pretext by the Kiev regime to engage in terrorism against Russia, with just enough degree of separation from NATO to avoid nuclear war.
>Kiev regime
>Terrorism
So much cope it reads like a PSA review post.
And Putin was so dumb and impotent to allow this, eh?
>There's already talks of handing over the eastern part of the country to Poland
I'm personally looking forward to see Abrams guarding the Sino-Polish border
Here's the truth: you're a lying cocksucker.
>eastern part of the country
Can you absolute vatmoron retards not even read a map anymore?
a nation of radioactive chads with they/them army sponsors
One was a relatively low level insurgency against an irregular militia. The other was a near peer conflict against a conventional force.
You know Vietnam was insurgency? yeah
What does that have to do with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
I remember back in the 2010s I thought that there's never be another war between two conventional armies ever again. I mean before this the last one was maybe the Iran-Iraq War and even that wasn't between major powers. The last war comparable to this war is probably the Korean War.
Keep in mind those US estimates are from 3 months ago. The pentagon also said Russia has lost 20k KiA in 2023 alone. So conservatively you could add another 5k to 10k. Its highly probably over 50k Russians have died in Ukraine.
>20k KiA in 2023 alone
Jesus fucking Christ
Just imagine what chinas Kia/MIA numbers will look like given how they seem to actively disregard human life
How can Taiwan repel a Chinese invasion?
By turning itself into a turtle and having the fucking United States as an ally, if China is stupid enough to actually attack them they’ll probably be stupid enough to attack the US too
A. Turning itself into a super fortress
B. Having US as an ally that will at least assist them, causing China to either kill themselves by stopping trade and an hero'ing the world economy
C. By China (hopefully) being smart and using Taiwan as a chess piece in it's dealings with the west, pretending to edge towards war to extract concessions from western leaders like they did with some elements of the EU in Macron
>By China (hopefully) being smart
Not with Pooh bear in charge screaming about assassinating countries leaders and shit
We have to see, unlike Russia China seems to actually partake in the chest beating diplomacy, as evident in the "final warning" phenomenon
Easily.
China has literally never conducted SEAD, and they learned the theory from Russia, who has also never conducted SEAD. Same for major naval operations. Taiwanese air defense and air assets are going to remain in perfect condition.
Taiwan has loads of artillery and harsh terrain, with exactly two possible landing sites. Without air superiority they're going to massacre any attempt.
That's about it, Taiwan can hold solo for years.
by killing them
>china numbers
Those books will be so cooked, the ashes will be burnt.
I meant non-Chinese figures, no ones stupid enough to look at Chinese figure and take them at face value...well anyone with a brain
>so cooked
[decisive Tang strategic victory intensifies]
With all we've seen that actually sounds low to me.
This was US and its NATO allies in the Afghan war
Over 20 years too. Impressive Russia has almost reached that number in just over a year.
80% of that "killed" number is Afghan security forces
Russia was only able to control 30% of Afghanistan and then they fucked off
Russia has yet to take a town roughly 12 meters from the pre-conflict borders
Mariinka and Avdiivka are the chads of garrison staying power. Too bad Pisky was lost. Having all three would be really coold.
Counter insurgencies yield low casualties for the non-insurgents. Compare how many Americans died in Vietnam which was a mix of conventional and insurgent warfare versus how many died across the entire GWOT which was purely an insurgency
>Fucking how?
gee i wonder if the fact that they are being supplied by nato has something to do with it
>Fucking how?
Back then it was White Men vs. sand people
Now it's White vs. White
Tard doesn’t know even the basics of the Soviet army during the Afghan war and tard doesn’t know the basics of current Russian ethnographics and tard thinks slavs are white. Where to start
you dumb niger your numbers not correct - for every 5 killed russians only 1 body gets recovered, KIA over 100000 with wounded probably ~250000+ lol listen to Pregozhin - wagner CEO - they usually get at least 500 dead vatnik pidors around Bakhmut daily
Ukraine is not even russian vietnam - its their ww1, both revolutions and second ww2 combined
it'll take them 50 years just to recover what they had in 90s
honestly this entire conflict is a pretty grim spectre of things to come
I think a lot of people think war over the years has become less deadly because of things like drones and missiles - but in fact war is becoming even longer and deadlier. More general fatalities, relative fatalities, etc are all very high for both RU and UA, even taking into account their positions as attackers/defenders
The estimated death toll of WW2 is around 80-90 million with a world population of 2.3 billion. if another large scale conflict were to break out today, it would last twice as long and result in about 6% of the world population dying (480 million deaths)
how fucking terrifying
This is a third world shit hole masquerading as a first world shit hole against a country equipped by everyone who matters in the west, it doesn’t make for a good signifier of anything except that countries who value human life in the negatives will bleed manpower against technologically superior countries that actually put care and work into their men
Ukraine is throwing its entire able-bodied male population into the fight while the West simultaneously keeps them equipped and starving Russia’s industry.
Your Russians dead in Ukraine is accurate for just this year alone. Including last year, it's more than likely about 120K.
>Russian deaths in Ukraine over 15 months: 35000-43000
You're undercounting that by 300% buddy.
deaths in Ukraine over 15 months: 35000-43000
That's a massive undercount or the bare minimum Russian deaths so far
The west is obviously trying to undercount it so everyone doesn’t jump and scream that they’re trying to over estimate Russian deaths and are blood thirsty blah blah
I honestly think the Ukrainian claims of nearly 200,000 Russian dead are an underestimation if anything. We probably passed the 200k mark months ago.
They're only counting Russians that they kill in battle in their estimates. If you're wounded and evacuated back to Russia only to die of your injuries days or weeks later, you're not counted. If you freeze to death or drown after your trench gets flooded, you're not counted. If you desert and get executed by Kadyrovites, you're not counted.
Honestly, I don't think even the Russian leadership has any clue as to how many have died because I don't think they care enough to bother keeping track.
200’000 dead in total from various causes rather than just actual war deaths seems possible, if you count suicides and “accidental” deaths in Russia
the 200k number includes dnr and lnr
Traitors dead are still good
its not 200k dead, its 200k casualties anon. Still a huge amount, and from what I can tell especially donbabwe and luganda have been bled dry
Conventional war grinds lives like it consumes ammo. Guerrilla and asymmetrical warfare usually less so, due to is lower overall intensity.
That was the other point I was thinking, aside from 4chantards most westerners and even many thirdies are increasingly horrified of how callous the russians are using their own people. In the case of the whities it's about basic human rights, in the brownies and yellowies case (aside from pajeets and chinks) its about russians still being so dumb as to believe their own government bullshit.
It’s really funny how the entire world is just kind of in awe at how fucking retarded Russia is acting
Despite the 'muh death of empires' thing Afghanistan is full of weak fighters who only are really capable of slow grinding guerilla tactics and not actual open warfare, and their "victories" were mainly due to the fact that Afghanistan's geography is the perfect defensive land aside from Switzerland and Jungles. In Ukraine you have a mostly component modern fighting force that will go into conventional warfare AND irregular warfare while Russia is at its absolute weakest militarily.
Afghanistan has only really been the graveyard of the Soviet Empire, all the others lasted many more years and eventually collapsed from unrelated reasons (Alexander from failing to room a successor, Britain from the World Wars, America from having worse interethnic relations than the Balkans, etc.).
Retard
The Greeks lasted until they got pushed out by steppe peoples and then had an Indo-Greek kingdom for a while (outlasted the ptolmies by like 30 years).
Russia is facing a conventional military opponent in addition to an entire country up at arms against them in Ukraine.
Hahahaha!! It was 100.000in December!
Keep in mind that historically the USSR has both undersold AND oversold their casualties.
E.g. a lot of Russians who died fighting against the USSR were recorded as "Germans killed him in a prison camp".
Completely different battles and not even the same country, that was the Soviet Union. Not reading the other replies, You need to have a nice day
LoL add Wagner and other paramilitary like kyadrov private army and dombass lnr/dpr you probably have well over 100k kia for the Russian side
including civilians russia has a k/d ratio of roughly one
This was US and its NATO allies in the Afghan war
Link the source.
source is obviously Wikipedia
Actual bot posting
>2.5k killed
That's pretty low, especially compare to russo-Ukrainian war.
He cut out the top kek
>Afghan security forces: 66,000–69,095 killed[62][63]
>Northern Alliance: 200 killed[64][65][66][67][68]
>Coalition: Dead: 3,579
Wow ivanovitch, great work. You’re even more retarded than the ANA, which 24 months ago I would have said was the most embarrassingly incompetent military on the planet
Nooo!! afghans who fought for the US doesn't count!! But every convict that Russia sent to Ukraine must count.
Very organic filename. The IRA has fallen on hard times eh?
Were those Afghans US citizens?
Are Russian convicts actually Ukranians? Because that's the only way that comparison works...
you believe this yourself, that's why you cropped that pic the way you did 🙂
Afghans are Afghans. Russians are Russians.
Simple as.
That includes 20 years of occupation, this was the invasion. Russia is still invading Ukraine, we can compare the occupation figures after they manage to capture Kiev and topple the government.
>1115:1 KDR
Yikes, that's terrible, unlike the mighty Puccia, which is currently at 1:2.5 in Ukraine
>fighting a real military (not insurgents) on the offensive while not being adequately prepared
>omg we're suffering casualties?????
Russian doctrine has always been fucking retarded.
>thrust tank/afv column forward
>no intel
>no reconnaissance
>no infantry support
>fuck your screen, Ruri
>any infantry support is riding on the tank and gets chopped down by machine guns almost instantly
>blunder into an ambush
>vehicles get picked off by atm and atgms
>3-4 soldiers killed at a time
>shitty comms, logistics and precision cas ao zero help for the poor fucks who dismounted
>mass artillery strike the position hours or even days later
>repeat
Add a zero and its closer to the reality. 200,000 - 300,000 is a more realistic estimate.
Keep in mind those are Soviet deaths in Afghanistan which had a much bigger population.
This was back when Chechen men were actual soldiers and not tiktok keyboard warriors.
>Fucking how?
An Army equipped with tanks, heavy artillery and strategic air defenses having greater Russian killing potential than goat herders armed with AKs and some donated stingers really shouldn't be that surprising. And that's before they got actual high tech shit like HIMATS.
They have no meatshields to hide behind anymore.
the Ukrainians have been expecting the ruskis invading em for a while, prolly already been doing wartime drills for the past 10 years