Yeah. The first half of it was something of a scandal, people couldn’t believe RAF pilots would betray the UK like that. Turned out we were giving them crumbs so that we could steal their entire sandwich.
>How will this affect the Liberation War of Ukraine?
I'm more curious as to how this will affect the Victory Day parade this year.
I genuinely can't wait to see what they'll scrape together for that, or if it'll be canceled because of bad weather or whatever
>I'm more curious as to how this will affect the Victory Day parade this year.
The two or three Russians have managed to build will be there for the parade. Anyone who asks why these tanks are there when Russian soldiers have to use tanks built during the late 40s and early 50s on the battlefield will develop a fatal case of failing out of the nearest window syndrome.
> The terminator was its sister vehicle part of their new standardization of their armored forces
What?
The RuAF never knew what to do with the Terminator. They basically stuck the 10 they recieved in the 90th TD and told them "here you go, do something with them"
Idiot, Terminator is just a T-72 chassis with a completely unarmored tinfoil turret housing dual 40 MOA accuracy 30mm pencil barrel autocannons. It was never a part of anything, it was a result of yet another corruption scheme within the Russian military-industrial complex. A classic case of a solution looking for a problem, it has nothing it could possibly bring to the battlefield that already existing systems can't do.
> The terminator was its sister vehicle part of their new standardization of their armored forces
What?
The RuAF never knew what to do with the Terminator. They basically stuck the 10 they recieved in the 90th TD and told them "here you go, do something with them"
I think he confused it with the T-15
The terminator is such a hilarious scam that i honestly think you could get more use out of a modernised Shilka
If you need to quickly suppress infantry, Shilka is vastly better because of its ROF and accuracy and also the fact that it exists in the thousands unlike the Terminator which there are 10 of. If you need to destroy fortifications, just use a fucking tank or artillery. Terminator is completely worthless and inferior, it's insane how shit it is.
If you want to, for some fucking reason, design this kind of "fire support vehicle" (which is a terrible idea inherently but whatever), you need to take a T-90 tank, complete with the turret, uparmor it even more, place double Kontakt-5 ERA brick layer on top of its entire surface, and either replace the tank gun with an even bigger, lower velocity cannon (preferably a 203mm caliber) or a ZU-23-4 mount.
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>If you need to quickly suppress infantry, Shilka is vastly better because of its ROF and accuracy
Exactly
And let's not forget the AA role, in times of drone warfare it's more useful than ever.
Would you slap some kornets on it, you could also support infantry against lighter fortifications/armor.
Speaking of the terminator though, the scam is damn blatant it's funny, it was sold to the higher-ups as a vehicle for city warfare, build with Chechnya experience and then they proceed to cheaply and randomly slap shit on it without a second thought of how would it work in that situation. >It has TWO automatic grenade launchers >BOTH can only shoot ahead of the vehicle though
Anon, people unironically post shit they would have been laughed off the board for 2 years ago
Don't tell me you believe everyone posting about the "feint", "tank is a tank" etc is trolling
You must be joking comrade, do you know how many cigarettes we can buy with that aluminum sheet? We use this nice plywood panel I looted, you get it painted. Will look the same on Ukie drone footage, even if colonel is sober enough to look he won't know difference. Now take your pants off...
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Good, good, i hope the wood will hold the toilets when we destroy the hohol pigmen!
lmao, it has a 80 year old engine that can not be upgraded, there are 8 of them, the design team got arrested for corruption, the developer company went bankrupt, no back up sights, probably still uses Catherine 2nd gen IR, composite armor not comparable to Challenger 2 which is 3 times older than it, opted for a French autoloader without a fraction of know-how that French have, A.C. makes the tank unusably loud, no proven hard-kill systems etc etc etc etc
Nope, French style is a conveyor in the bustle with shells facing the direction of the cannon. Soviet style is a carrousel donwn in the hull with arms that lift the shells. T-64 / T-80 have the shells vertical and T-72 / T-90 have shells facing the centrer of the carrousel. The T90 has a bustle, but it is used for extra storage, not the main storage (ie the one that can feed into the cannln directly)
A hybrid is more likely. There's no real reason to stick a bustle on an unmanned turret if it wasn't storing propellant for the autoloader or something.
Just from pictures alone the two engines are hardly alike, aside from being diesels and having the X arrangement of pistons.
Additionally the Sla.16 was a very promising and effective engine, just never got into service before the war ended.
Piston angles are completely different, hell they don't even have the same number of pistons.
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Adding pistons is a non issue.
2 months ago
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It has LESS.
2 months ago
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Fewer
2 months ago
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Subtracting pistons is a non issue as well. How else do you think Americans made their 90° V6s?
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Adding or subtracting pistons from engine designs that don't have primary or secondary balance is hell to deal with. Unlike Russia in WW2, the US actually had an incredibly robust automotive sector and the aviation engine sector. To dismiss the amount of work that went into making good engines is insane and to ignore the hasty piston deletion from V8s in order to make the shitty V6s from the Arab Oil Embargo shows your ignorance. Knowing that the Russians effectively are working with a double V design and not crossed boxers means they probably fucked up harder if they used the SLA 16 to work off of.
1)different exhaust layout
2)different number of cylinders
2)different cylinder arrangement
3)different cylinder angle
4) very different dimensions
5)air cooled vs water cooled
6)different inlet layout
7)different output reductors
8)different fuel and oil circulation systems
The only similarity is that they are both X engines.
Maybe you shouldn't trust FagPig
>IGOR! We need of news motor. >Blyat, let me sleep. I is still of drunk. >No Igor, they are going to found out all the moeny is missing, we need a new engine now. >Lets us of do quick historical research. German tank tiger is of best, we use this engine. >Of lucky! We stole engine after the war and made it into an oil pump. Xaxa this will of work perfect. >Igor, this tiger looks funny and engine failed because it was of awful and breaking. >Cyka, just fix it as we go! American engineers call of this "parallel development." Is good, nothing of can go wrong.
*engine never gets fixed* >IGOR! The tank is still broken but shoigu wants of tank for SMO! What do we do?! >BEEEP. The number you are trying to reach does not exist. Please hang up and try again. BEEEEP
>opted for a French autoloader without a fraction of know-how that French have,
The autoloader is also slower to shoot than a western tank with no autoloader
More and more I look into this tank stuff, the more and more I agree with non-French NATO standard of 4 crewmen in tanks. Like, wouldn't you want another pair of hands in this situation?
It just makes sense. Autoloading systems put too much unnecessary risk to the crew and add a complex mechano-electric system that doesn't achieve a higher rate of fire as a human loader.
Yeah, to a western state, to Russia, 1 man less to conscript, train, feed and field makes much more sense when you are going for literal zerg-rush tactics.
the tipping point for western MBTs to get automated are oversized next-gen 130mm rounds
at which point, the round is too long and heavy to be handled under armor and you dont really have a choice
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Separating the powder and the round?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Loading 2-piece ammo by hand is pretty slow, you wouldnt save any time over an autoloader
2 months ago
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I guess, idk, we'll let the experts decide I guess, not that anyone asked us anything...
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auto-loader has always been faster though, it still a retarded concept vs just getting a trained man in there.
While I agree Autoloading isn't far ahead than manual loading, the objective of full autoloading is to be able to armor the ammo area without having to give wide breathing room for the meatbag inside.
Sure, an enemy shell getting that far will likely ruin the rank but if the tank can be brought back and its piece repurposed it would already be a win.
No nation that has invested in autoloaders has added any additional surface area to the tank for armor or are in direct conflict with their doctrine to upsuze the tank to account for said armor. Russians do not have the capability to construct larger hulls and engines to account for the turrent swelling in size to account for both the autoloader and heavy armor to defend it, the frogs just flatout disagree with the concept. any penetrating shot in autoloader equipped turrents equal death for any crew located even near the mechanism as seen time and time again for the current Russian and Ukrainian T-tanks
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Autoloader are stronger to begin with and need less armor since it can be more compact. Crew can be killed by shockwave a mechanism would survive more easily.
Wether or not it is cost-efficient is another topic in the same vein as "are tank obsolete since ATGM exist?".
And Russian being failures on so many levels they couldn't make a good autoloader is irrelevant, the next generation of US tank is working to remove the crew entirely.
Few nation invest in autoloader because it is harder to design in the first place, it's like stealth or VTOL jet.
A shame we will likely never see the Leclerc tank in a war. Maybe if some Gulf states go to war.
Until loader gets tired, injured or killed. It's pure cope.
It's amaizing how you nafo-ktards cope. >Soviets use autoloader
But muh manual loading is faster! Autoloders EXPLODE!
*starts using autoloader after 40 years
>Soviets use smoothbore and rockets
BUT MUH RIFLING IS MORE PRECISE!!!!
*starts using smoothbore after 40 years
>T14 is developed with remote turret
AHAHAHA IF ITS GONNA JAM - WHO GONNA FIX IT???? MMMMHHH?
*develops ~~*Abrams*~~-X with remote turret
>The 100mm DT-10 used in the T-55 couldn't penetrate the hull armor of an M48 or Centurion until a APFSDS round was introduced in 1967.
Gee, I wonder why the Soviets were the first to adopt a smoothbore gun. >The 105mm L7 could penetrate the hull armor of any Soviet tank up to and including early T-72 variants.
Gee, I wonder why they didn't switch to a smoothbore gun sooner.
Also: >T-62 entered service in 1961. >The Rheinmetall 120mm was being tested in 1976
1976-1961 != 40
>The 105mm L7 could penetrate the hull armor of any Soviet tank up to and including early T-72 variants
Sort-of
APDS rounds in use in the 60s when the T-72 came out couldn't frontal penetrate its hull
Frontal armor of the T-72 couldn't be penned until they got M735 APFSDS in the 70s and the T-72A only barely
Israeli M111 and then US M774 was the real game changer in allowing them to frontally pen most T-72s, but that was in 1980
It makes perfect sense. A total repetition of the AK-12. Russian military industry is so corrupt that despite all of the Western tech they use and 30 years of supposed technological development, they are unable to beat Soviet technology in quality or quantity. Putin's Russia isn't a "bear", however weak or small. It is a parasite inhabiting the still-warm body of a recently deceased bear.
The retarded troll/shill is actually correct - technically. They absolutely will deploy the 5 or so operational T-14's that exist sometime this year - along with T-44, T-54 obr 1944, T-55AM and the fucking IS-3's from monuments. All within a single tank division. Their last one to ever exist.
I always liked how slavs keep pretending that are superior to spoiled rotten west yet they can't stop talking how X is Y of west or how Z is better than west product. Shit like calling Warsaw Paris of north makes giggle.
What are the odds of it actually being nothing but a Potemkin-style plastic/pot metal mockup (just like T95 project, which is what it is, with some Western sensors slapped on), that was never supposed to or was ordered to end up on the frontline, and yet it does through one of these unimaginably monumental fuckups Russians make every day, only for it to instantly toss its turret after taking 1 burst of DShK fire to the front """""""armor""""""" plate, on live Ukrainian TV?
haha! yes! classic russian wit at display! but comrade Smithov, I hear the compartment was made exclusively for a 80 year old X engine, it can not fit anything else!
Then cut up the hull with angle grinder until new engine fits god dammit! Then rebuilt the hull around new engine using available materials, it's that simple dummy.
It has an armored hull and it can move, but that's it. Mobility and effectiveness of it's armor have not been proven. We already know the puccian active protection systems don't work properly, it doesn't have practically any system redundancy, the engine is highly unreliable and likely cannot produce the rated horsepower for a reasonable time. Oh an naturally the thermals suck.
What will happen is once the Ukies figure out where on the front these wunderwaffen vaporware are deployed they will single them out for destruction with whatever the best AT weapons they can get to the area for the propaganda win if nothing else. Bonus if they end up getting destroyed by Ukrainian T64's or captured T72's for extra irony.
>Ukies figure out where on the front these wunderwaffen vaporware are deployed they will single them out
One of the benefits of Ukraine fighting a defensive war that relies on western support - they will pull out all the fucking stops to deliver top tier propaganda wins, will stop at nothing when it comes to embarrassing Russia on the world stage. If just one single Armata is fielded in Ukraine it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be either destroyed or captured.
I still remember the shrieking shitfest on Russian Z-channels when the first T-90M was captured and driven away to Kiev, intact. Imagine the absolute salt mine when a T-14 is captured. This is guaranteed to happen if it's not atomized with a Stugna-P first, because it will fucking destroy its Panther engine as it tries to evade fire.
By the way, Strelkov said today that Russia has lost the war for sure. Not "probably lost" as was his line for the last couple of months. Lost, period.
There have been a bunch of destroyed Leopard 2A4s in Syria already. It's nothing new. No tank is invincible and claiming that would be stupid, doesn't make it a bad tank though.
>>All while being cheaper than the Abrams
Is that why it's barely being produced and is filled with plethora of issues that even show off in the official videos?
Reminder that the T-15 Armata disappeared, and the T-14 Armata was meant to be three tanks in the latest parade, but only two showed up.
That ended those Ukkies in the first tank on tank battle of the war.
I always liked how slavs keep pretending that are superior to spoiled rotten west yet they can't stop talking how X is Y of west or how Z is better than west product. Shit like calling Warsaw Paris of north makes giggle.
Prague is definitely seconded only by Paris in beauty.
>20 years ahead technologically of any NATO tank
almost all of its features were dug up from some cold war prototype >Worlds first unmanned turret
see above: the US had a prototype that did the same thing in the 80s >Powerful 152mm cannon
still only has a 125mm gun, 152mm gun is only intended but never seen >Fastest top speed of it's competitors (90 km/h)
never actually seen going that fast
but such speed is of mostly trivial benefit anyways as tanks can only travel at a pace set by logistical support >Light
55 sans upgrade packages
but like the T-72 and T-62, light weight comes at a price >All while being cheaper than the Abrams
only 20 are claimed to have been built and only about half that has ever been seen in one place a time
> Almost all its features were taken from cold war prototypes
The engine came from a prototype version of the King Tiger.I think we should always lead with this,makes it look even worse.
Russia would be better off buying some Honda/Toyota diesels and multibanking it.
>Russia would be better off buying some Honda/Toyota diesels and multibanking it. >strap 9 toyota GDs together to get the 1500hp desired >V36 toyota multibank
The Chrysler Multibank was a reliable engine for the Sherman. Having a multibank'd Japanese engine monstrosity would probably have more service life in it than the entire Russian MBT engine fleet.
I respect game but the mark of a true shitposter is getting (You)'s without resorting to wojak images like that. I can easily get a dozen or more replies without even using an image.
A bunch of reddit gays here just have to respond to every transparent bait. And somehow their smug responses are even more cringe than the post they respond to. That is the consequence of accepting NAFO to your board.
Still need to see a T14 actually driving its stated top speed in reverse to believe it actually can drive in reverse for more than a few feet.
I spent hours looking and only found two videos of the T14 reversing; the first one it tries to reverse onto a trailer and breaks down, the second one it reverses at a snails pace because it couldn't make a turn during the rehearsal for some parade.
Pathetic.
first unmanned turret >aliexpress autoloader that is slower than manual reloading >it will inevitably jam >russmorons will struggle to access it >even if they manage to access it solving the problem may be impossible on the field or at least result in an arm being lost >while all of this is happening an abrahams is shooting a round every five seconds with all the top notch aiming stuffs against it's weakest parts >will eventually blow up and the turret will collision into a satellite triggering the kessler effect
By being an additional armoured vehicle, if it makes it to the front. As history has shown, there are no such thing as invincible weapons, why would it be an exception?
Most likely it will break down before it can fight in the War of Ukranian Aggression.
i cant wait for all 3 of them to get mogged by challengers
Personally rolling for ww3 and forced conscription.
Will be glorious watching people seethe a nd cope at gunpoint.
Challenger 2 has armor that is basically warp tech to puccians, and they are slapping additional ERA on it
3? Did they finish another one?
I'm waiting for them to get taken out by Bradleys because the ERA they depend on has probably been sold.
Kek, is this a true story?
Yeah. The first half of it was something of a scandal, people couldn’t believe RAF pilots would betray the UK like that. Turned out we were giving them crumbs so that we could steal their entire sandwich.
madlads
The UK basically did this to Germany in WW2 (every single German spy in Britain was actually a British spy on MI6's payroll) so it sounds about right
Will they only field horses for the epic parade?
>make a brief appearance shooting at a forest
>look this wonderful tank served in Ukraine and is back for parade!
Won't
>Russia to deploy their state of the art T-14 Armata MBTs
source: myass
How many?
In the hundreds at least, possibly thousands
Oh, I though this was serious thread, but if its like this then russia still needs to deploy t-44, t-34, t-28 and t-24 before it can unlock t-14
Trips of truth, everyone knows older = soul and therefore better
Wow, millions? Really? That's impressive. I support Puccia nao!
>In the hundreds at least, possibly thousands
so all 10 of them then, got it.
>In the hundreds at least, possibly thousands
>How will this affect the Liberation War of Ukraine?
I'm more curious as to how this will affect the Victory Day parade this year.
I genuinely can't wait to see what they'll scrape together for that, or if it'll be canceled because of bad weather or whatever
>I'm more curious as to how this will affect the Victory Day parade this year.
The two or three Russians have managed to build will be there for the parade. Anyone who asks why these tanks are there when Russian soldiers have to use tanks built during the late 40s and early 50s on the battlefield will develop a fatal case of failing out of the nearest window syndrome.
I'm eagerly looking forward to it producing a successful track record once it hits Ukraine in the upcoming war.
>gets -ACKED like the Terminator wunderwaffe
Isnt that just a fancy gun on the same old chassis. NAFOtards hype this thing up more than vatniks.
Yeah, same as the Armata. The terminator was its sister vehicle part of their new standardization of their armored forces
> The terminator was its sister vehicle part of their new standardization of their armored forces
What?
The RuAF never knew what to do with the Terminator. They basically stuck the 10 they recieved in the 90th TD and told them "here you go, do something with them"
Idiot, Terminator is just a T-72 chassis with a completely unarmored tinfoil turret housing dual 40 MOA accuracy 30mm pencil barrel autocannons. It was never a part of anything, it was a result of yet another corruption scheme within the Russian military-industrial complex. A classic case of a solution looking for a problem, it has nothing it could possibly bring to the battlefield that already existing systems can't do.
I think he confused it with the T-15
The terminator is such a hilarious scam that i honestly think you could get more use out of a modernised Shilka
>T-15
Still chuckle it is larger than even the Namer yet has lower troop capacity.
If you need to quickly suppress infantry, Shilka is vastly better because of its ROF and accuracy and also the fact that it exists in the thousands unlike the Terminator which there are 10 of. If you need to destroy fortifications, just use a fucking tank or artillery. Terminator is completely worthless and inferior, it's insane how shit it is.
If you want to, for some fucking reason, design this kind of "fire support vehicle" (which is a terrible idea inherently but whatever), you need to take a T-90 tank, complete with the turret, uparmor it even more, place double Kontakt-5 ERA brick layer on top of its entire surface, and either replace the tank gun with an even bigger, lower velocity cannon (preferably a 203mm caliber) or a ZU-23-4 mount.
>If you need to quickly suppress infantry, Shilka is vastly better because of its ROF and accuracy
Exactly
And let's not forget the AA role, in times of drone warfare it's more useful than ever.
Would you slap some kornets on it, you could also support infantry against lighter fortifications/armor.
Speaking of the terminator though, the scam is damn blatant it's funny, it was sold to the higher-ups as a vehicle for city warfare, build with Chechnya experience and then they proceed to cheaply and randomly slap shit on it without a second thought of how would it work in that situation.
>It has TWO automatic grenade launchers
>BOTH can only shoot ahead of the vehicle though
>armored columns get fucked because no infantry support in chechnya
>develop armored vehicle to fill roll of infantry support
thats absolutely wrong. The armata was the unified chassis for an SPG, the Tank, the IFV and I think some kind of AFV similar to the BMPT.
The idea was to lower costs and logistics by having some kind of armored chassis version of the F35. It's the same concept. Really.
The thing is that they never produced the numbers needed to lower the costs unlike the f35A which costs peanuts thorugh sheer economies of scale.
Long story short, the money dried up.
is ukrainian
>this blatant shitpost will receive 20 smugly upset replies because PrepHole doesn't have a reddit infestation problem
Reddit is cool
To be fair it's hard to tell what is a shitpost and what's not these days when even official channels whip out sims3 shitposts
>To be fair it's hard to tell what is a shitpost and what's not these days
If you're a simple fucker then yeah sure you're right
Anon, people unironically post shit they would have been laughed off the board for 2 years ago
Don't tell me you believe everyone posting about the "feint", "tank is a tank" etc is trolling
>How will this affect the Liberation War of Ukraine?
I expect core parts of it made from wood and i don't think it has any effect on anything.
*yawns
>Slava Ukr-AAAAAAACK
Chinks described the tank as "non-functional" when rejecting its adoption lmao
Wasn’t it worse, they trashed it when they were mentioning their new designs, implying that even on paper the tank wasn’t worth copying
I just know that they said tank is not functional, do I wouldn't be surprised if it's even that bad.
We bolt on aluminum to cover the engine when we are done fiting in the K2, another 80 year old engine, da?
You must be joking comrade, do you know how many cigarettes we can buy with that aluminum sheet? We use this nice plywood panel I looted, you get it painted. Will look the same on Ukie drone footage, even if colonel is sober enough to look he won't know difference. Now take your pants off...
Good, good, i hope the wood will hold the toilets when we destroy the hohol pigmen!
GAS GAS GAS!
>amateur racer attempts the gutter run technique 2022 colorized
lmao, it has a 80 year old engine that can not be upgraded, there are 8 of them, the design team got arrested for corruption, the developer company went bankrupt, no back up sights, probably still uses Catherine 2nd gen IR, composite armor not comparable to Challenger 2 which is 3 times older than it, opted for a French autoloader without a fraction of know-how that French have, A.C. makes the tank unusably loud, no proven hard-kill systems etc etc etc etc
cool bait tho
Not a French autoloader, they have a T-64/T-80 style carrousel one. But yeah.
I thought they went with the French style?
Nope. Armata is a complete joke. It's turret can get fucked by 20mm.
Yeah, Bradley crew are trained to take out their optics, vatniks don't have back up optics lmao
Nope, French style is a conveyor in the bustle with shells facing the direction of the cannon. Soviet style is a carrousel donwn in the hull with arms that lift the shells. T-64 / T-80 have the shells vertical and T-72 / T-90 have shells facing the centrer of the carrousel. The T90 has a bustle, but it is used for extra storage, not the main storage (ie the one that can feed into the cannln directly)
A hybrid is more likely. There's no real reason to stick a bustle on an unmanned turret if it wasn't storing propellant for the autoloader or something.
The Pig lied to us all...
But that guy would probably enjoy being spit-roasted...
>lmao, it has a 80 year old engine
The T-14 has an entirely new engine. It doesn't work well--thstsbjne reason they can only keep a couple running.
80 year old engine.
Just from pictures alone the two engines are hardly alike, aside from being diesels and having the X arrangement of pistons.
Additionally the Sla.16 was a very promising and effective engine, just never got into service before the war ended.
Piston angles are completely different, hell they don't even have the same number of pistons.
Adding pistons is a non issue.
It has LESS.
Fewer
Subtracting pistons is a non issue as well. How else do you think Americans made their 90° V6s?
Adding or subtracting pistons from engine designs that don't have primary or secondary balance is hell to deal with. Unlike Russia in WW2, the US actually had an incredibly robust automotive sector and the aviation engine sector. To dismiss the amount of work that went into making good engines is insane and to ignore the hasty piston deletion from V8s in order to make the shitty V6s from the Arab Oil Embargo shows your ignorance. Knowing that the Russians effectively are working with a double V design and not crossed boxers means they probably fucked up harder if they used the SLA 16 to work off of.
1)different exhaust layout
2)different number of cylinders
2)different cylinder arrangement
3)different cylinder angle
4) very different dimensions
5)air cooled vs water cooled
6)different inlet layout
7)different output reductors
8)different fuel and oil circulation systems
The only similarity is that they are both X engines.
Maybe you shouldn't trust FagPig
cool, get back to us when there are more than 10 of them thx
Russia's best.
you mean an entirely new compromised and russia-fied (aka, made poorly and stripped down with cut corners) copy of an 80 year old engine?
>IGOR! We need of news motor.
>Blyat, let me sleep. I is still of drunk.
>No Igor, they are going to found out all the moeny is missing, we need a new engine now.
>Lets us of do quick historical research. German tank tiger is of best, we use this engine.
>Of lucky! We stole engine after the war and made it into an oil pump. Xaxa this will of work perfect.
>Igor, this tiger looks funny and engine failed because it was of awful and breaking.
>Cyka, just fix it as we go! American engineers call of this "parallel development." Is good, nothing of can go wrong.
*engine never gets fixed*
>IGOR! The tank is still broken but shoigu wants of tank for SMO! What do we do?!
>BEEEP. The number you are trying to reach does not exist. Please hang up and try again. BEEEEP
What's worse is the engine wasn't even capable of the required performance at all, at any point in history.
>opted for a French autoloader without a fraction of know-how that French have,
The autoloader is also slower to shoot than a western tank with no autoloader
More and more I look into this tank stuff, the more and more I agree with non-French NATO standard of 4 crewmen in tanks. Like, wouldn't you want another pair of hands in this situation?
It just makes sense. Autoloading systems put too much unnecessary risk to the crew and add a complex mechano-electric system that doesn't achieve a higher rate of fire as a human loader.
Yeah, to a western state, to Russia, 1 man less to conscript, train, feed and field makes much more sense when you are going for literal zerg-rush tactics.
While I agree with you, it's more of an engineering hurdle to be solved than something inevitable.
the tipping point for western MBTs to get automated are oversized next-gen 130mm rounds
at which point, the round is too long and heavy to be handled under armor and you dont really have a choice
Separating the powder and the round?
Loading 2-piece ammo by hand is pretty slow, you wouldnt save any time over an autoloader
I guess, idk, we'll let the experts decide I guess, not that anyone asked us anything...
auto-loader has always been faster though, it still a retarded concept vs just getting a trained man in there.
While I agree Autoloading isn't far ahead than manual loading, the objective of full autoloading is to be able to armor the ammo area without having to give wide breathing room for the meatbag inside.
Sure, an enemy shell getting that far will likely ruin the rank but if the tank can be brought back and its piece repurposed it would already be a win.
posting the other for completeness
No nation that has invested in autoloaders has added any additional surface area to the tank for armor or are in direct conflict with their doctrine to upsuze the tank to account for said armor. Russians do not have the capability to construct larger hulls and engines to account for the turrent swelling in size to account for both the autoloader and heavy armor to defend it, the frogs just flatout disagree with the concept. any penetrating shot in autoloader equipped turrents equal death for any crew located even near the mechanism as seen time and time again for the current Russian and Ukrainian T-tanks
Autoloader are stronger to begin with and need less armor since it can be more compact. Crew can be killed by shockwave a mechanism would survive more easily.
Wether or not it is cost-efficient is another topic in the same vein as "are tank obsolete since ATGM exist?".
And Russian being failures on so many levels they couldn't make a good autoloader is irrelevant, the next generation of US tank is working to remove the crew entirely.
Few nation invest in autoloader because it is harder to design in the first place, it's like stealth or VTOL jet.
A shame we will likely never see the Leclerc tank in a war. Maybe if some Gulf states go to war.
I love both of these, and want you to come work for Chrysler immediately.
Yeah that's why Abrams x, kf 51, K2,type 10 and embt have autloaders. You stupid retarded NPC amerimutt
Until loader gets tired, injured or killed. It's pure cope.
It's amaizing how you nafo-ktards cope.
>Soviets use autoloader
But muh manual loading is faster! Autoloders EXPLODE!
*starts using autoloader after 40 years
>Soviets use smoothbore and rockets
BUT MUH RIFLING IS MORE PRECISE!!!!
*starts using smoothbore after 40 years
>T14 is developed with remote turret
AHAHAHA IF ITS GONNA JAM - WHO GONNA FIX IT???? MMMMHHH?
*develops ~~*Abrams*~~-X with remote turret
pathetic
>nafo
what is a nafo? pls explain, no emotional all caps necessary
>The 100mm DT-10 used in the T-55 couldn't penetrate the hull armor of an M48 or Centurion until a APFSDS round was introduced in 1967.
Gee, I wonder why the Soviets were the first to adopt a smoothbore gun.
>The 105mm L7 could penetrate the hull armor of any Soviet tank up to and including early T-72 variants.
Gee, I wonder why they didn't switch to a smoothbore gun sooner.
Also:
>T-62 entered service in 1961.
>The Rheinmetall 120mm was being tested in 1976
1976-1961 != 40
>The 105mm L7 could penetrate the hull armor of any Soviet tank up to and including early T-72 variants
Sort-of
APDS rounds in use in the 60s when the T-72 came out couldn't frontal penetrate its hull
Frontal armor of the T-72 couldn't be penned until they got M735 APFSDS in the 70s and the T-72A only barely
Israeli M111 and then US M774 was the real game changer in allowing them to frontally pen most T-72s, but that was in 1980
Don't sign your posts.
abraham tank redeem
The ones that Russia can get working can be heard from miles away, the engine screams for a violent death
Someone Javelin it out of its misery already pls
Makes me think of those Aztec death whistles
It’s a tactical auditory attack. You don’t get it anon. If western pigs are deaf from the screeching they can’t fight
I recognize that scream
>RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NORMIES GET OUT
Engine doubles as smoke screen.
Didn’t they say they deployed it 3 different times now?
This. I clearly remember that they deployed a couple way back. Even that the soldiers didn't want to accept it because it was bad in some way.
It won't, because the mobiks refuse to drive them.
But at least it's better than a T-34.
It makes perfect sense. A total repetition of the AK-12. Russian military industry is so corrupt that despite all of the Western tech they use and 30 years of supposed technological development, they are unable to beat Soviet technology in quality or quantity. Putin's Russia isn't a "bear", however weak or small. It is a parasite inhabiting the still-warm body of a recently deceased bear.
The retarded troll/shill is actually correct - technically. They absolutely will deploy the 5 or so operational T-14's that exist sometime this year - along with T-44, T-54 obr 1944, T-55AM and the fucking IS-3's from monuments. All within a single tank division. Their last one to ever exist.
>Da Vinci's tank w/ a cope cage
top kek
Russia *is* the Third Rome
- Z
I always liked how slavs keep pretending that are superior to spoiled rotten west yet they can't stop talking how X is Y of west or how Z is better than west product. Shit like calling Warsaw Paris of north makes giggle.
Much like the HBO show, there will never be a third season of Rome.
once the war is over if the khohols manage to recover the moskva and display it as a museum piece I'm gonna shid and fard and camed
What are the odds of it actually being nothing but a Potemkin-style plastic/pot metal mockup (just like T95 project, which is what it is, with some Western sensors slapped on), that was never supposed to or was ordered to end up on the frontline, and yet it does through one of these unimaginably monumental fuckups Russians make every day, only for it to instantly toss its turret after taking 1 burst of DShK fire to the front """""""armor""""""" plate, on live Ukrainian TV?
Well, if parade vehicles can't get the engine to run for a mile...
They'll just jury-rig it to use an engine from one of the abandoned T-54's. Classic russian wit at play, a HATO shill wouldn't understand.
haha! yes! classic russian wit at display! but comrade Smithov, I hear the compartment was made exclusively for a 80 year old X engine, it can not fit anything else!
That is why I am top and you are the bottom comrade. Get that angle-grinder ready...
Unfortunately the compartment can't even fit any other engine aside from the one the entire tank was built around.
Then cut up the hull with angle grinder until new engine fits god dammit! Then rebuilt the hull around new engine using available materials, it's that simple dummy.
It has an armored hull and it can move, but that's it. Mobility and effectiveness of it's armor have not been proven. We already know the puccian active protection systems don't work properly, it doesn't have practically any system redundancy, the engine is highly unreliable and likely cannot produce the rated horsepower for a reasonable time. Oh an naturally the thermals suck.
What will happen is once the Ukies figure out where on the front these wunderwaffen vaporware are deployed they will single them out for destruction with whatever the best AT weapons they can get to the area for the propaganda win if nothing else. Bonus if they end up getting destroyed by Ukrainian T64's or captured T72's for extra irony.
>whatever the best AT weapons they can get
Looking at T-90M, a TOW should do just fine.
>Ukies figure out where on the front these wunderwaffen vaporware are deployed they will single them out
One of the benefits of Ukraine fighting a defensive war that relies on western support - they will pull out all the fucking stops to deliver top tier propaganda wins, will stop at nothing when it comes to embarrassing Russia on the world stage. If just one single Armata is fielded in Ukraine it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be either destroyed or captured.
Any day now keep me posted
>20 years ahead of nato chud shit
>breaks down in a parade
lol
I still remember the shrieking shitfest on Russian Z-channels when the first T-90M was captured and driven away to Kiev, intact. Imagine the absolute salt mine when a T-14 is captured. This is guaranteed to happen if it's not atomized with a Stugna-P first, because it will fucking destroy its Panther engine as it tries to evade fire.
By the way, Strelkov said today that Russia has lost the war for sure. Not "probably lost" as was his line for the last couple of months. Lost, period.
its happening
It just got circumsized, nothing wrong with the tank
What?
Im actually looking forward to euros having the stfu about their shitty leopard tanks too
There have been a bunch of destroyed Leopard 2A4s in Syria already. It's nothing new. No tank is invincible and claiming that would be stupid, doesn't make it a bad tank though.
>No tank is invincible and claiming that would be stupid, doesn't make it a bad tank though
German cope.
>unintelligible picture
WTF, i hate liberty now!
>Turkish 2A4
have a nice day
The newest version still has the same issues just slightly imported at the risk of doubling the weight. Sorry but I believe in Abrams supremacy.
I unironically really want to see the armata in Ukraine. The turret toss olympics have gotten stale. A new competitor would be great.
>>All while being cheaper than the Abrams
Is that why it's barely being produced and is filled with plethora of issues that even show off in the official videos?
Reminder that the T-15 Armata disappeared, and the T-14 Armata was meant to be three tanks in the latest parade, but only two showed up.
Barely being produced? It's categorically not being produced.
WW2 drip
Let's see the T-14s reverse speed
That ended those Ukkies in the first tank on tank battle of the war.
Prague is definitely seconded only by Paris in beauty.
I personally prefer Prague. Its more white too. Paris is just NYC with better architecture for their kebab shops.
I'm kinda biased towards France, since Prague being a beautiful city doesn't bring with it the amount of importance Paris has on the human race.
Reverse speed not needed, comrade. Tank only going forward because tank made of winning. As comrade Putin orders, da!
>20 years ahead technologically of any NATO tank
almost all of its features were dug up from some cold war prototype
>Worlds first unmanned turret
see above: the US had a prototype that did the same thing in the 80s
>Powerful 152mm cannon
still only has a 125mm gun, 152mm gun is only intended but never seen
>Fastest top speed of it's competitors (90 km/h)
never actually seen going that fast
but such speed is of mostly trivial benefit anyways as tanks can only travel at a pace set by logistical support
>Light
55 sans upgrade packages
but like the T-72 and T-62, light weight comes at a price
>All while being cheaper than the Abrams
only 20 are claimed to have been built and only about half that has ever been seen in one place a time
> Almost all its features were taken from cold war prototypes
The engine came from a prototype version of the King Tiger.I think we should always lead with this,makes it look even worse.
Russia would be better off buying some Honda/Toyota diesels and multibanking it.
>Russia would be better off buying some Honda/Toyota diesels and multibanking it.
>strap 9 toyota GDs together to get the 1500hp desired
>V36 toyota multibank
The Chrysler Multibank was a reliable engine for the Sherman. Having a multibank'd Japanese engine monstrosity would probably have more service life in it than the entire Russian MBT engine fleet.
>Liberation War of Ukraine?
FREEZE STAND STILL AND BEND DOWN I'M GONNA LIBERATE YOU FROM YOUR MORTAL COIL
>boutique production garage queens
May as well throw them on the line, it's not like they're any more useful than jank old museum pieces
Oh, Olga. You and your trannies!
>War
10 years in gulag, cumrad.
I respect game but the mark of a true shitposter is getting (You)'s without resorting to wojak images like that. I can easily get a dozen or more replies without even using an image.
If someone’s using a Wojak meme at this point, then they’re very likely to not be baiting.
Yeah but it nearly always gets (You)'s because it is attention grabbing. True masters of the art get (You)'s without posting any image.
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You know they would deploy this if it still existed.
To be fair I'd deploy that every day on my way to work if I could
It's going to be so fucking funny when they get raped by PT-91 and L2A4.
first unmanned turret
I know the whole post is bait but this one isn't even remotely true. The first unmanned turret appeared in 1918.
the T-14 is a gigantic piece of shit and everyone knows it
>the T-14 is a gigantic piece of shit and everyone knows it
How many pictures of chuds do you have saved on your PC, freak?
found some of your fagner buddies
Which is it, is it an ok tank or is a game changing tank?
Make up your mind
It's the 5th time they're deploying it this year.
How the fuck is PrepHole so dumb
STOP
FEEDING
THE
FUCKING
TROLL
its probably a fucking Australian or Canadian with a shit eating grin
Fuck. Is there any b8 PrepHole will NOT gobble up?
A bunch of reddit gays here just have to respond to every transparent bait. And somehow their smug responses are even more cringe than the post they respond to. That is the consequence of accepting NAFO to your board.
>Liberation War
This is not the approved nomenclature
Still need to see a T14 actually driving its stated top speed in reverse to believe it actually can drive in reverse for more than a few feet.
I spent hours looking and only found two videos of the T14 reversing; the first one it tries to reverse onto a trailer and breaks down, the second one it reverses at a snails pace because it couldn't make a turn during the rehearsal for some parade.
Pathetic.
All four of them?
Man ruskies are such goofballs, why don't they deploy it already
They’ve been about to deploy the t14 for 5e past year.
You mean 8?
This is bait and it will still get over 20 (you)s
they will break down and the ukrainians will tow them away and sell them as scrap metal to their local gyspy
Why the sonichu medallion?
first unmanned turret
>aliexpress autoloader that is slower than manual reloading
>it will inevitably jam
>russmorons will struggle to access it
>even if they manage to access it solving the problem may be impossible on the field or at least result in an arm being lost
>while all of this is happening an abrahams is shooting a round every five seconds with all the top notch aiming stuffs against it's weakest parts
>will eventually blow up and the turret will collision into a satellite triggering the kessler effect
By being an additional armoured vehicle, if it makes it to the front. As history has shown, there are no such thing as invincible weapons, why would it be an exception?
This is from the Tranch, not Ukraine. It would be way funnier if it was real though.
didn't they deploy it like 6 months ago?
This gay is posting pictures of his boyfriend again.
Reminder that no western countries ever have shemale, chud, or futa in their top 10 and russia always does
Imagine hating trannies and not remembering the tranch. This is elementary knowledge anon, for shame.