>They likely never invested in the intelligence for that because Ukraine was supposed to roll over and die in the span of three days.
No they did the problem was the agents just stole all the money.
Big reason there was a huge FSB purge and half the intial invasion plans imploded was they thought the FSB had laid all the ground work they reported on but it was all lies and they actually pocketed the money.
Airplane deliveries full of western tech were broadcasted to the world early on.
I wonder if the Ruskies could have done it and get away with it. >muh red line >you crossed it now you get kalibrd
Golly gee Ivan, surely nobody would ever accuse Russia of firing the missile at the NATO plane delivering equipment to Russia's current enemy. Just fire a missile, what could go wrong?
Every day I stray closer to agreeing with the posters who say your kind need to be eradicated
It cracks me up when vatniks (when talking among themselves) are calling for targeting this or that as if Russia isn't already targeting everything it could possibly ever hit.
I don't know, it does seem to me there's a strategic decision to use precision missiles to target civilians rather than military targets. I don't know if it's Putin, but I'm betting it is, since most military leaders know you can't bomb a country into submission. But someone higher up thinks it'll be easier to bomb civilians into submission than it is to bomb Ukrainian tanks and win militarily.
It's a "decision" forced by the reality that they don't have the ability to locate and strike military targets deep in Ukraine. Powerplants don't move.
Yeah, but couldn't they invest in intelligence gathering instead? Recon drones and such?
We have no idea what Russian intelligence capabilities are on that front. The materiel Russia wants to target is likely constantly on the move and rapidly dispersed, that means there aren't many great targets, they're hard to find, and hard to kill with inaccurate Soviet missiles and Iranian drones.
It only takes one shipment and few dead americans to create a huge scandal.
Ruskies proved they had the capability when they wasted missiles on foreign volunteers near the polish borders.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dead Americans are the last thing Russia wants. We worry about escalation, but Russia also has fears too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>We worry about escalation
And it seems to be without end in sight. It almost feels like the West is sending just enough to keep the Ukies alive until the next package.
Yes. They clearly underestimated Ukraine's ability to resist and the West's willingness to supply weapons. Their initial plan did somewhat account for this with a rapid invasion that would knock Ukraine's legitimate government out of the eastern parts of the country, but that did not succeed.
It's funny when you look at Russia's recent military history.
The west largely sat by during the Chechen wars, seeing it as Russia's problem. Ergo Russia learns the west is okay with indiscriminate civilian bombing.
In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict siding with ethnic minorities that hated Georgia, de-facto taking that territory. Georgia wanted to join NATO, and the west largely backed them, but within a week France negotiated a ceasefire in the name of peace and stability. Also in this war the report got back that Russia needed to modernize, shift away from a soviet command infrastructure and conscript army. Here Russia learned invading a country keeps them out of NATO, and that the west will give you what you want in the name of stability and peace.
In 2014 when Russia annexed Ukraine they learned the west will leave Ukraine out to dry rather than risk war with Russia, and they'll let them keep annexed territory.
The problem however is Putin like all dictators thinks that if he keeps getting away with this shit, it's because he's a based genius and he poops gold, and that if he keeps escalating broke democracies will keep letting him get away with it.
>The west largely sat by during the Chechen wars,
Bushes, Condie, neocons... along with Saudis and Qatar and UAE... all helped the Chechen islamofascists murder, just like Kosovo. Catch up.
>In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict
No, your neocon buddies pumped up their Georgian stooge, and South Ossetia separated, just like in east Ukraine.
Separation good in Kosovo, with islamofascist murderers, but not good in S Ossetia if McCain says no, and he wanted bombing of course.
>In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict
No, your neocon buddies pumped up their Georgian stooge, and South Ossetia separated, just like in east Ukraine.
Separation good in Kosovo, with islamofascist murderers, but not good in S Ossetia if McCain says no, and he wanted bombing of course.
>In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict
No, your neocon buddies pumped up their Georgian stooge, and South Ossetia separated, just like in east Ukraine.
Separation good in Kosovo, with islamofascist murderers, but not good in S Ossetia if McCain says no, and he wanted bombing of course.
>The problem however is Putin like all dictators thinks that if he keeps getting away with this shit, it's because he's a based genius and he poops gold, and that if he keeps escalating broke democracies will keep letting him get away with it.
The problem is the western ruling class are brain-dead manchildren who didn't learn from fricking WWII that appeasement never works. Literally a fricking repeat of Hitler, only this time Czechoslovakia managed to fight back 1v1 despite the West's backstabbing. If Putin succeeded in taking Ukraine, he would have invaded Baltics within a year, triggering WWIII much like the invasion of Poland triggered WWII. The west owns Ukraine unlimited dicksucking till the end of time for preventing WWIII.
Well the problem was like with Hitler, the west assumed that Putin was a rational actor. That while he's certainly a bad guy and no friend of democracy, he ultimately preferred peace and stability to war and chaos, ergo appeasing him as beneficial towards preserving stability, which is the number one important thing to western capitalists. The problem is that Putin is in fact not a rational actor, because he was given everything he wanted and decided to invade Ukraine anyway, and when the west realized he couldn't be bargained with, they've gone all in on opposing him.
I think it's a lesson that's been forgotten cause you've had a lot of 'reasonable autocracies' in the current era. Like China and Saudi Arabia. Bad for democracy, but they prefer stability to chaos, and the prefer to do business than instigate conflicts because they both benefit from the status quo.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone whose paid attention to Putin. He believes in a zero-sum game. That by definition if Russia fails it is to the wests benefit, and if the west suffers it is to Russia's benefit. It's why he's paying a bunch of internet trolls to post conservative memes.
>west assumed
Germs and frogs are pro-russian wienersuckers, the rest didn't care. Not like he's gonna invade Spain or Belgium, so why bother with these slavs. And even if we include Warsaw pact countries. they had no opportunity to do anything.
The US broadcast the formation of a materiel command in Ukraine, and the Russians would rather not kill US personnel in volume, which striking those nodes would do. It's an escalation mechanism if required. For now, they just kill eqpt operators and field command as it happens.
>kill US personnel in volume
Thats exactly the point. It sends a strong "dont fricking do that" message but Ruskies fricked up by underestimating the cascading support.
Even if the missiles missed and killed no one sends a message.
No, putin wont nuke. Because putin knows that nukes = nukes. Simple as.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He could if hes about to lose it all. Why not launch a frick you nuke at the end?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ukraine isn't worth committing suicide over.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because the world isn't a game where salty players tank the entire match. And more importantly no one in the Russian military has the slightest interest in starting a nuclear war when the fall of Russia could mean a fiefdom or even more pay for military officials.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The question is with all the shakeups in the Russian military as Putin does purges to maintain control is if the guys in the military would get a say in the matter.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, putin is not purging to remain in control, he is purging his yes men that were incompetent.
The issue is he has been in power for so long competency may not exist in any real sense anymore. Even shitty leaders can have a good NCO corps, but the russians are not fighting like they have good NCO's getting bad orders, they are fighting as if they have butterbars making all the decisions.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Shouldn't he purge the FSB then? They were the ones apparently thinking Thunder Run -> Kiev + Operation Danube 2.0 = Genius.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It had buy in from every agency top to bottom.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It had buy in from every agency top to bottom.
He literally browbeat the entire Security Council live on television just to get them to fall in line. Seems like some of them were forced to sign on.
Yeah but are the people following him willing to die for monke? The grunts that get misted yes, but the people in charge with him? I think they'd rather kill.him and coup at that point
The japanese ofen die their hair, at least the teenagers do. Blonde is a popular color. Japanese highschoolers with blonde hair are often called Gyaru's, think valley-girls.
Well to start with, that assumes they can.
Assuming they can, I recall there being several threats from western nations pertaining to Russia hitting the supply convoys.
1. Russia doesnt have the survellience or intelligence to reliably know where the shipments are. Glosnass is shit.
2. Russia doesnt have long ranged precision weapons to consistently suppress said shipments. Glossnass is shit.
Russia began this war under the bizarre assumption that the west would let them use their GPS satellites.
>Did
stopped reading there, be more concise verbose homosexual
What a fricking terrible first post. You should feel ashamed if yourself.
how in the frick are Russians supposed to target a moving truck?
Yes.
Lead. Blowing up roads and bridges.
They likely never invested in the intelligence for that because Ukraine was supposed to roll over and die in the span of three days.
>They likely never invested in the intelligence for that because Ukraine was supposed to roll over and die in the span of three days.
No they did the problem was the agents just stole all the money.
Big reason there was a huge FSB purge and half the intial invasion plans imploded was they thought the FSB had laid all the ground work they reported on but it was all lies and they actually pocketed the money.
Airplane deliveries full of western tech were broadcasted to the world early on.
I wonder if the Ruskies could have done it and get away with it.
>muh red line
>you crossed it now you get kalibrd
they couldnt have done it because their planes would have been detected 1km into euro/american airspace and they wouldnt have gotten away with it
missiles
Yes the famously accurate Russian missiles. Not to mention, dead Americans acting in an official capacity are not something Russia wants right now.
Golly gee Ivan, surely nobody would ever accuse Russia of firing the missile at the NATO plane delivering equipment to Russia's current enemy. Just fire a missile, what could go wrong?
Every day I stray closer to agreeing with the posters who say your kind need to be eradicated
air superiority like a normal world power
They probably lack the intelligence gathering capabilities to accurately locate Ukranian deposits
>They probably lack the intelligence
Russian intelligence looks so bad and random at times, that I firmly believe that they are searching for targets using OpenStreetMap.
You make it seem it was even possible for them
>protip they're not
It cracks me up when vatniks (when talking among themselves) are calling for targeting this or that as if Russia isn't already targeting everything it could possibly ever hit.
I don't know, it does seem to me there's a strategic decision to use precision missiles to target civilians rather than military targets. I don't know if it's Putin, but I'm betting it is, since most military leaders know you can't bomb a country into submission. But someone higher up thinks it'll be easier to bomb civilians into submission than it is to bomb Ukrainian tanks and win militarily.
It's a "decision" forced by the reality that they don't have the ability to locate and strike military targets deep in Ukraine. Powerplants don't move.
They have glowies. Even serbs managed to spy on NATO movements in Italy.
We have no idea what Russian intelligence capabilities are on that front. The materiel Russia wants to target is likely constantly on the move and rapidly dispersed, that means there aren't many great targets, they're hard to find, and hard to kill with inaccurate Soviet missiles and Iranian drones.
Still, a bomb that goes off in an apartment building only bolsters morale on the other side. And those missiles are expensive.
It only takes one shipment and few dead americans to create a huge scandal.
Ruskies proved they had the capability when they wasted missiles on foreign volunteers near the polish borders.
Dead Americans are the last thing Russia wants. We worry about escalation, but Russia also has fears too.
>We worry about escalation
And it seems to be without end in sight. It almost feels like the West is sending just enough to keep the Ukies alive until the next package.
Americans don't drive the trucks into Ukraine.
Yeah, but couldn't they invest in intelligence gathering instead? Recon drones and such?
They certainly had the capability
Yes. They clearly underestimated Ukraine's ability to resist and the West's willingness to supply weapons. Their initial plan did somewhat account for this with a rapid invasion that would knock Ukraine's legitimate government out of the eastern parts of the country, but that did not succeed.
It's funny when you look at Russia's recent military history.
The west largely sat by during the Chechen wars, seeing it as Russia's problem. Ergo Russia learns the west is okay with indiscriminate civilian bombing.
In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict siding with ethnic minorities that hated Georgia, de-facto taking that territory. Georgia wanted to join NATO, and the west largely backed them, but within a week France negotiated a ceasefire in the name of peace and stability. Also in this war the report got back that Russia needed to modernize, shift away from a soviet command infrastructure and conscript army. Here Russia learned invading a country keeps them out of NATO, and that the west will give you what you want in the name of stability and peace.
In 2014 when Russia annexed Ukraine they learned the west will leave Ukraine out to dry rather than risk war with Russia, and they'll let them keep annexed territory.
The problem however is Putin like all dictators thinks that if he keeps getting away with this shit, it's because he's a based genius and he poops gold, and that if he keeps escalating broke democracies will keep letting him get away with it.
>The west largely sat by during the Chechen wars,
Bushes, Condie, neocons... along with Saudis and Qatar and UAE... all helped the Chechen islamofascists murder, just like Kosovo. Catch up.
post hand
Naughty serb in need of corrective bombings.
>In the Russo-Georgia war, Russia instigated a border conflict
No, your neocon buddies pumped up their Georgian stooge, and South Ossetia separated, just like in east Ukraine.
Separation good in Kosovo, with islamofascist murderers, but not good in S Ossetia if McCain says no, and he wanted bombing of course.
>neocon
>islamofascist
Chug some cum, radovan.
>The problem however is Putin like all dictators thinks that if he keeps getting away with this shit, it's because he's a based genius and he poops gold, and that if he keeps escalating broke democracies will keep letting him get away with it.
The problem is the western ruling class are brain-dead manchildren who didn't learn from fricking WWII that appeasement never works. Literally a fricking repeat of Hitler, only this time Czechoslovakia managed to fight back 1v1 despite the West's backstabbing. If Putin succeeded in taking Ukraine, he would have invaded Baltics within a year, triggering WWIII much like the invasion of Poland triggered WWII. The west owns Ukraine unlimited dicksucking till the end of time for preventing WWIII.
meds
Why the frick would russia stop at ukraine? They were already prepping the baltics. Not that poster, but its clear what his plan was.
Well the problem was like with Hitler, the west assumed that Putin was a rational actor. That while he's certainly a bad guy and no friend of democracy, he ultimately preferred peace and stability to war and chaos, ergo appeasing him as beneficial towards preserving stability, which is the number one important thing to western capitalists. The problem is that Putin is in fact not a rational actor, because he was given everything he wanted and decided to invade Ukraine anyway, and when the west realized he couldn't be bargained with, they've gone all in on opposing him.
I think it's a lesson that's been forgotten cause you've had a lot of 'reasonable autocracies' in the current era. Like China and Saudi Arabia. Bad for democracy, but they prefer stability to chaos, and the prefer to do business than instigate conflicts because they both benefit from the status quo.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone whose paid attention to Putin. He believes in a zero-sum game. That by definition if Russia fails it is to the wests benefit, and if the west suffers it is to Russia's benefit. It's why he's paying a bunch of internet trolls to post conservative memes.
>west assumed
Germs and frogs are pro-russian wienersuckers, the rest didn't care. Not like he's gonna invade Spain or Belgium, so why bother with these slavs. And even if we include Warsaw pact countries. they had no opportunity to do anything.
Well the reason to care is when Putin doesn't stop. You know, like what happened with Hitler.
The US broadcast the formation of a materiel command in Ukraine, and the Russians would rather not kill US personnel in volume, which striking those nodes would do. It's an escalation mechanism if required. For now, they just kill eqpt operators and field command as it happens.
>kill US personnel in volume
Thats exactly the point. It sends a strong "dont fricking do that" message but Ruskies fricked up by underestimating the cascading support.
Even if the missiles missed and killed no one sends a message.
>Implying America wouldn't send a much bigger "You know you fricked up, right?" message back if Russians targeted US personnel
How much worse could it be than what Ukraine is currently getting?
It can't get much worse for Ukraine but it can absolutely get much worse for Russia.
They might get nuked if Putin chimps out further
No, putin wont nuke. Because putin knows that nukes = nukes. Simple as.
He could if hes about to lose it all. Why not launch a frick you nuke at the end?
Ukraine isn't worth committing suicide over.
Because the world isn't a game where salty players tank the entire match. And more importantly no one in the Russian military has the slightest interest in starting a nuclear war when the fall of Russia could mean a fiefdom or even more pay for military officials.
The question is with all the shakeups in the Russian military as Putin does purges to maintain control is if the guys in the military would get a say in the matter.
No, putin is not purging to remain in control, he is purging his yes men that were incompetent.
The issue is he has been in power for so long competency may not exist in any real sense anymore. Even shitty leaders can have a good NCO corps, but the russians are not fighting like they have good NCO's getting bad orders, they are fighting as if they have butterbars making all the decisions.
Shouldn't he purge the FSB then? They were the ones apparently thinking Thunder Run -> Kiev + Operation Danube 2.0 = Genius.
It had buy in from every agency top to bottom.
>It had buy in from every agency top to bottom.
He literally browbeat the entire Security Council live on television just to get them to fall in line. Seems like some of them were forced to sign on.
>How much worse could it be than what Ukraine is currently getting?
You know that airspace that russia has been struggling with keeping it contested?
Yeah, the US could solve that problem for them.
ATACMS.
>kill US personnel
What's the worst that could happen?
They tried to. Turns out Russia is just getting incompetent.
GAMOOOOOOOOOOOO
They would if they could.
>Russians
>Precision strikes
>on moving targets
LMAO.
They have a hard fricking time hitting buildings anon. What the frick is wrong with you?
What make you think they didn't try? They bombed all the depot they could and it wasn't enough.
but they did. i vividly remember all the railyard strikes that were posted here that destroyed millions of tons of HATO equipment.
>it was real in my mind
If Ukraine press on and retakes Crimea its literally over for Putin. I'd be bitter enough to press the button.
Yeah but are the people following him willing to die for monke? The grunts that get misted yes, but the people in charge with him? I think they'd rather kill.him and coup at that point
>If Ukraine press on and retakes Crimea its literally over for Putin.
No. He will still have a nation.
Shame these russkie b***hes all are HIV ridden
Those are Jap b***hes from Ijiranaide, Nagatoro-san.
>Those are Jap b***hes
Blonde japs?
The japanese ofen die their hair, at least the teenagers do. Blonde is a popular color. Japanese highschoolers with blonde hair are often called Gyaru's, think valley-girls.
there's a subculture of japanese girls/young women who bleach their hair and get spray tans to look western
CUTE
they couldn't so they didn't.
Russia has worse ISR and battle management ability than we did in the 1990s
They couldn't even if they wanted to
Well to start with, that assumes they can.
Assuming they can, I recall there being several threats from western nations pertaining to Russia hitting the supply convoys.
1. Russia doesnt have the survellience or intelligence to reliably know where the shipments are. Glosnass is shit.
2. Russia doesnt have long ranged precision weapons to consistently suppress said shipments. Glossnass is shit.
Russia began this war under the bizarre assumption that the west would let them use their GPS satellites.
sexo sexo sexo with the right one.
Love her attitude and facial expressions in the show.
I prefer the one on the right
first off: Russia can't reach that far and can't aim for shit
two: that would be a declaration of war.