I don't fucking know, they should've done that at least a week ago after the bridge blew up, but today Prigozin or whatever made another video bitching to russian MoD that if Wagner is taken out of the conflict or something then the entire front line will collapse
Yah, some commanders have confirmed they were given orders to reposition outside of the city. Supposedly the amount of Ukrainian defenders has dropped to around 3,000-5,000 from the original 20,000 around the city.
Because they aren’t really trying to take it, they are using it to bleed Ukraine. Have you seen how many hohols have been killed defending that shithole?
>thinks real life is a video game and that throwing your soldiers and future of your shrinking economy is in any advantagious because of muh xp
The city is not even encircled, you can’t bleed an enemy out if you can’t even close the city off from reinforcements, at that point it’s the pigs bleeding the bear dry instead of the other way arounf
these names are gonna make it a bit better at least >MUSICIANS WILL TAKE STINKY IN 2 MORE WEEKS >THE ORCHESTRA HAS PLAYED WELL IN SEMENIVKA*~~)) >KADYROV'S MEN ARE WORKING IN THE FEDORA DIRECTION >THE BACKWARDSING FEDORA DIRECTION YES
Its always so ridiculous that they say that Bakhmut is the last line of defense in the East. Like there isn't dozens of towns just as big as Bakhmut around there.
If Russia doesn't take Bakhmut by the end of 5the week its over, they will never be able to take it. Mud season is starting NOW, and makes offensive actions are basically impossible until the ground turns from mud back into earth.
I think the next major event in the war is going to be Ukraine's spring offensive. Of course, we don't know when that is happening, what area they plan to attack, and what role Bakhmut plays into it all (stalling and slaughtering Russians, I suppose).
Either way, whether Bakhmut falls or not within the coming weeks probably doesn't matter much, because it has mostly served it's purpose. The offensive will be the next big thing.
If that's the case they may actually just hold onto Bakhmut still. If the plan was always to hold it till the offensive starts then what's two more months after seven?
>If that's the case they may actually just hold onto Bakhmut still.
That seems to be what they're doing. I think they planned to abandon Bakhmut months ago, but because they've been able to hold on to it for much longer than predicted, I think they might actually try to hold on to it as this point, because they're getting so close to the spring offensive.
I'm still 50/50 no that though. I wouldn't be surprised if let Russia have it at this point. We'll see.
My impression is that they're leaving the city but engaging the Russian flanks outside of the city.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
they would have to
russian lines are only like 300 yards away from either road out
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately for Wagner Group, Russia MoD isn't exactly lining up to supply it with lots of ammo. They hate each other.
and Prigozhin are shitsposting at each other
i'd pay good money to see these fags in the ring.
Girkin probably (and correctly) sees Prigozhin as a fucking moron whose "brilliance" is to do what everyone else does: throw lots of men at a problem.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Girkin probably (and correctly) sees Prigozhin as a fucking moron
sure, but can he outpunch him in an enclosed space? that's the question.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Girkin's a trained soldier. Prigozhin is a fucking ex-convict.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wasn't Girkin's entire thing mobilizing to send more men at the problem? Russians really have no sense of self awareness.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've seen conflicting reports. I've read some stuff that supports the idea that they're preparing to pull out, like blowing up bridges and pulling certain equipment out of Bakhmut, while on the other hand, they also seem to be reinforcing with "elite" troops, so it's hard to tell.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the reinforcements are for holding the exit route
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What if Wagner retreats, lol?
>The leader of the Wagner Group has demanded that the Russian military send his mercenary troops ammunition immediately. Yevgeny Prigozhin, founder and leader, who is on the frontline in the fight for Bakhmut, issued the demand under a veiled ultimatum. He warned that if his troops did not receive any more ammunition, they would retreat and the entire Russian frontline would collapse.
I think that guy's going to have an accident sooner or later. Putin can only tolerate criticism of his war for so long.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what if a peon insults and betrays his lord and destroys the military gains
Then the musicians will become the sledgehammered
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wagner's leader is high on himself. He might very well not be half as smart as he thinks he is.
He's trying to blackmail the Kremlin.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He’s a retard, but MSM propaganda calling him a "warlord" is just too fantastical and silly. The guy is just a Putin pal and a part of the regime’s security apparatus. Maybe there’s glowies in the background presenting him to the MSM like this to boost the guy’s ego by putting out fake reality that he’s some kind of independent power and cause a split with Putin?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I smell some kind of trap. Ukrainians are sneaky fuckers. I think they're intentionally bombarding us with conflicting reports.
It's telling Wagner's leader is bitching about a potential collapse in Russian lines.
Yeah, that's the problem with trying to analyze anything at all. While Russia is easy to predict, Ukraine is keeping their cards close to their chest, which has worked out well for them in the past.
We know something is going to happen, based on the predicted spring offensive, so it's hard to tell if and/or why they're pulling out of Bakhmut, and what role it has played in their overall strategy.
I mean, the obvious assumption which I think most of us can agree on, is that they've used Bakhmut to grind down and kill as many Russians as possible, while taking comparatively few losses. The question is whether or not they're pulling out now because they can't hold on to Bakhmut anymore, or because it has served its purpose. Then there's the third, but less likely option, that they intend to hold on to it, because the spring offensive is so close that it's become viable. If they attack elsewhere in force, Russian forces will be diverted, and Bakhmut will no longer be threatened.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>comparatively few losses
lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
50k dead mobiks wish they could share your laughter.
yes retard, entrenched defenders a lot take less losses than those who send meat waves for 2 months.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why is the narrative changing to 50K today? Why not 80K like yesterday? 80K sounds like it would increase morale more.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, that's the only reason they held onto Bakhmut, you shitposting gay.
Sure, sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, that's the only reason they held onto Bakhmut, you shitposting gay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
50k dead mobiks wish they could share your laughter.
yes retard, entrenched defenders a lot take less losses than those who send meat waves for 2 months.
lmao >only the bad guys die, just like in my favorite hollywood movies
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>brings up marvel 10 times per thread
fuck off with your capeshit you absolute manchild
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Give him a break. They can’t do anything but project when they’re upset.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only the bad guys die, just like in my favorite hollywood movies
So even you believe the Russians are the bad guys, huh?
Fuck off, you underage shitposter.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have a guess what the Ukrainians might be up to.
They're going to force the Russians to use way too much ammo at the same time they strike Russian ammo supplies AND production. The Russians run out of ammo in the area, and are forced to flee.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If the Russians run out of bullets prematurely, they're fucked.
HIT their fucking Logistics and win the battle already. Force a retreat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
According to a Polish war correspondent the bridge leading out of Bakhmut was blown by a Russian artillery shell detonating mines planted underneath it. He was doomposting a few days ago, but his latest reports suggest no retreat is taking place and that the Ukrainians have stabilised the situation on the flanks and they will hold the city as long as it's feasible
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>According to a Polish war correspondent the bridge leading out of Bakhmut was blown by a Russian artillery shell detonating mines planted underneath it.
Yeah. The one the Ukrainians blew up was in the center of the city and it wasn't a road bridge, but a railway bridge, based on what I read. Admittedly, I didn't look too closely into it, so feel free to correct me.
Mud season doesn't matter for Russia's new tactics (pinoneered by Wagner) of predominantly relying on light infantry inflitration and human wave assaults.
Incidentally, these tactics are uniquely suited to take advantage of Russia's main advantage (manpower) and ideally suited for slow, grinding advance into the densely settle area beyond Bakhmut.
Unless Russia runs out of manpower, food and WW-2 era artillery, they will continue to slowly advance forward.
Mud season does not turn the ground into a marsh, especially not on roads (unless you happen to be in Sibir or some parts of Poland and Finland, where it does exactly that). Light infantry can continue to advance normally unless the front stalls and the continue movement over the same ground turns entire fields into giant mud traps.
>Unless Russia runs out of manpower, food and WW-2 era artillery, they will continue to slowly advance forward.
Russia is fighting a country being armed by an alliance that spent 70 years refining the extermination of Asiatic Bolshevik hordes into a literal science. They're not advancing anywhere except into mass graves.
Not to mention the Ukrainians KNOW the Russian playbook better than the Russians do.
Helps one of their leaders (Oleksandr) was born and trained IN Russia, lol. That's the problem with "brother wars". Your opponent knows your moves as well as you do.
We laugh that Bakhmut is still holding, but you have to take a moment and marvel at the cost. The Russians have definitely got the worst end of the stick, but the Ukrainians have taken huge casualties, too. This has been the bloodiest battle since God knows when. Maybe WWII?
How likely is that the ukies dug tunnels to enter and exit the city as they please and make it pretty much impossible for the vatniks to be 100% safe from ambushes coming out of a random bM2its of rubble?
The entire town is built on top of a salt mine complex with miles and miles of criss-crossing tunnels.
It's a clusterfuck, and a perfect opportunity to do some ambush attacks or tunnel rat shit. They probably have an underground exit route even if russians cut all the roads.
Not even a vatmoron sympathizer, but wasn't that the same cope at Soledar? Sure it was costly for the assaulting Russians, but they did eventually throw enough meat to take it, salt mine neo-vietcong tunnels or no.
What has capturing Soledar done for them? It's cost thousands or tens of thousands, only to get them closer to capturing Bakhmut. What will capturing Bakhmut get them?
That isn't really my argument, frankly I think even IF, and that remains a big IF at this point, Russia captures Bakhmut that there isn't really a readily apparent follow up they can make from there, particularly with mud season about to hit full force.
That still doesn't change the fact that I think the supposed strategic significance of the salt mines is being overstated. Bakhmut isn't like Mariupol where the remaining Ukrainian defenders have an obviously heavily defensible area they can fall back to, hold up in, and conduct operations out of for months on end.
My take on it is that Russian top brass are bungling it in order to get as many Wagner troops killed. That's the only reason i can think off other than complete incompetence
My theory is that Putin realized it was a mistake and to survive he needs to get all the warhawks killed and make it so painful that his withdrawal later would be seen as heroic and a relief. Because warhawks will blame him for starting and losing the war while others will just carry on
It’s how psychopaths think, I was one when younger
>My take on it is that Russian top brass are bungling it in order to get as many Wagner troops killed.
That sounds like Chiang Kai Shek's warlord armies.
Everyone keeps talking about Bakhmut, but no one ever talks about the Russians already being on the outskirts of New York. Seems like a much bigger story to me.
That front around Donetsk rarely get's talked about but it is ridiculous. There's been intense fighting there for a year now and the front lines pretty much haven't changed
Assuming the Russians are actually sending those to the front, it's going to be fun to see which tank will get destroyed first. A western tank or an Armata. Based on the extreme rarity of the latter and the fact that Russia is probably going to keep them in the back to avoid a propaganda loss, my bet would be on a western tank getting destroyed first, simply because they'll actually see combat.
That tank is an elaborate prank, it literally doesn't work and is full of components the Ruskies can't get anymore due to sanctions.
They can't see the... fucking 3 they built to fight the Ukrainian's because >They don't work >CIA glow bros will be tracking them every inch of their journey recording in high definition to get obliterated by artillery or knowing these retards driven over a clearly visible mine
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Russian pranks on their own army
The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Monke's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from popadanets literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Special Military Operation truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Putin's existencial catchphrase "I'm gonna regrooop!," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Surkov's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Z tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Assuming it even works
The Armata is too valuable, losing it would be a massive morale hit and the enemy would get it's hands on classified tech
Same reason the Ukrainian Abrams won't have DU and a few other features
>why does the gun look "off" >shouldn't there be jacketing around the barrel or something
It doesnt have a bore evacuator. It doesnt need one, because the crew is sitting up front, isolated from the turret compartment. It means that the T-14 can throw its turret and then drive away.
"They might deploy better tanks in an effective manner somewhere along the line", however incredulous a possibility that is, is infinitely more valuable than "they drove the only three they had onto anti-tank mines and it turns out they're made of wishful thinking and aluminum, lmao". Once the T-14 is *provably* demonstrated to be the paper tiger we all reasonably expect it to be, that's a big loss of both morale and useful uncertainty.
and this ofc assumes they can get them to move under their own power and whatnot, so, yknow...eh
IF the T-14 is ever used i see two scenarios >Russias loses, goes full volksturm and uses everything to defend Moscow >Russia somehow survives this war and tests it out in some minor third-world intervention
>Stalingrad was won by the DEFENDING side.
Was it really? The Germans (as attackers) pushed the Russians out of most of the city. After that they were surrounded and then they became the defenders, and were eventually crushed.
>Like clockwork
What is of wrong with John of Montana Oblast postings? I am Fred from Miami oblast, and I too am of supporting Ukraine pigs but am of concerning about glorious Russian victories within next two weeks.
They just had today a thread where they celebrated an missile strike on a apartment and nearly killed some 5 and 8 year old ukrainians girls. Not to mention the strike this week who killed an entire family with her 8 month old girl. Those people are just brown subhumans, not even 20 percent white lmao
>Will import by 2030
America has been importing them since it's founding >religion=race
The average Russian muslim is whiter than the average christian border hopper in America
Also based trad NATO love Islam >Fights a war to protect kebabs >Accepts Turkey as a member >Accepts Bosnia >Creates Kosovo
No probs with hating pol and pol takes, but the whole "pol has been infiltrated for years by thirdies and browns" bit is pretty much a full on pol take itself, lessens the chances that home grown extremists are taken seriously as a domestic threat also. I'm well aware that pol is psyopped to fuck by various countries and political groups but don't think the white kids in North America and Europe aren't soaking it all up...
Why don't you kill some enemies in minecraft if you're so aggrieved about being white that you're seething all day every day about dumb conspiracy theories?
Yeah, it's probably /uhg/ tards trying to fit in
Funny how much nuPrepHole is obssesed with race
People used to hate 4chan for it's retarded ideology, these fags hate it for ''not being white enough'' or whatever
Possibly feds as well >TFW assigned to shill for the US government on PrepHole >TFW briefing says this is a neonazi website >TFW you spam stupid racist shit about NATO being the fourth reich or whatever
The official pro-Ukraine narrative is >Democratic Ukraine is fighting colonial expansion by fascist homophobe putler >Nazis are either made up by Russia or ADL approved good guys
Only here you get this ''based Ukronazis will exterminate every brown communist'' BS
>based Ukronazis will exterminate every brown communist
No one likes the brownies, but if I ever saw anyone wishing Ukraine to genocide every brown communist in the world... Like seriously if you wish to start the shitskin genocide, why stop at commies?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No one likes the brownies
No one gave much of a shit about them before the war tourists came along
PrepHole did not like stormfags, stormfags cared more about blacks and garden gnomes
Probably the Cyber Brigade guidelines say you can't make fun of these two so they stick to browns
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a difference between making fun of and genocide threats. Yeah, I agree, sometimes the jokes about chinkoids are rather cruel, but that's just the reflection of chinks' behaviour.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The dislike for brownies comes from them simping for russians(whom are just snow nignogs), and spamming (see the lancetspammer)
>russians that raped a baby and some eldery women at bucha now they have standards and wont fuck a young fat woman.
What ever you say Prajeet
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Post some evidence of the competence of the Russian military. Come on gay, gimmie some Armatas, some spetznaz, some musclebound VDV elites. Show me the army that could take Berlin in two days.
I don't know if you fag tourists understand this, but PrepHole is not as interested in your culture war as we are in guns, warfare, and such related content.
When one side of a war is literal subsaharan moron-tier, we are going to make fun of them. Even moreso when their advocates have been spamming their supposed wunderwaffen for years. In a few years they'll become content for "ukraine war aesthetics" threads or the like.
because the people who aren't retarded know the truth
a certain kind of freedom loving morons helped the ziggers defeat the whites in ww2
both are enemies to EUROPE
No matter how hard vatniks try to spin anything, they will never recover from the 3 days claim. Every time it takes them months to capture a small town its only makes this worse. Truly amazing.
russia throwing all their eggs in bakhmut might be the battle of tsushima 2.0. people are only so willing to throw their children into a meat grinder for diminishing returns
We have no reliable sources from there. All we get is the claims of random soldiers and Prigozhin's propagandists.
If we cobble these together with official statements from Ukraine, it might seem that: >a general (orderly) retreat has begun >at the same time, units composed entirely of volunteers are being sent in to hold on as long as they think they can >among these volunteer units are the famous "cyborgs" of Donestk airport who earlier participated in fighting around Piski >Ukrainian soldiers are holding on at both flanks, focusing on preventing an encirclement >Girkin and Prigozhin are shitsposting at each other
>uh yeah actually retreating is super good here for me and also you are definitely also retreating because we won and youre running out ammo 10 months ago while we retreat
I’m wasting my time posting analysis here, but what can I say? I’m addicted.
The RuAF lost militarily last year with the failure of the Kiev Encirclement operation. Due to lack of supplies / readiness they stalled out before completing the encirclement. Emergency delivery of NATO anti-tank weapons (plus Ukrainian weapons) caused horrendous casualties and loss of equipment. RuAF likely rebelled or was close to rebelling so the government had no choice but to call them back. Total defeat. And they NEVER recovered, they remained defeated to this day.
What’s been happening since last year is that they shifted the burden of infantry fighting to the separatists, probably as a deal to bring them in officially into the Russian Federation. The separatist territories were emptied out of men in a giant mobilization. They were just as bad as their former Ukrainian countrymen in training, command, etc, but NOT in weapons and supplies. RuAF, though defeated, could still operate artillery batteries which they did — attack targets, doing counter-battery, and provide organic fire support for separatists. Ukrainian guns would only attack targets, NOT do counter-battery, and, critically, not offer any organic fire support. Ukrainian troops got very weak, insufficient small tube mortars for fire support. This ultimately resulted in continual loss of territory by Ukraine. If the RuAF’s guns were better and hit things there may not be Zelensky government by now.
>This ultimately resulted in continual loss of territory by Ukraine.
What the hell are you talking about? While Russia has made some tiny gains in the east, they've lost most of their initial gains, aside from the southern corridor spanning from the Russian separatist areas to Crimea, and I assume this is the area that the spring offensive is going to target, because it's going to be very difficult for Russia to reinforce it.
Russia's strategy at this point relies almost solely on artillery and human waves, and neither is sustainable. They're already forced to conserve their artillery due to expending most of their reserves, and with their lack of progress and equipment shortages, their human waves are likely to run out, as fewer people are going to be willing to throw themselves into the meatgrinder. The only thing that could temporarily boost Russia's abilities to fight in Ukraine is actually declaring war, which would lift most restrictions and provide them with far more manpower. But even that isn't going to be enough at this point.
Russian artillery is vulnerable to Logistical disruption. The system breaks down when it is hammered.
He’s a retard, but MSM propaganda calling him a "warlord" is just too fantastical and silly. The guy is just a Putin pal and a part of the regime’s security apparatus. Maybe there’s glowies in the background presenting him to the MSM like this to boost the guy’s ego by putting out fake reality that he’s some kind of independent power and cause a split with Putin?
He has his own mercenary army. He IS an independent power. I think his ambition is to be top dog one day.
>What’s been happening since last year is that they shifted the burden of infantry fighting to the separatists, probably as a deal to bring them in officially into the Russian Federation.
Not exactly. The modern russian infantry doctrine appears to be strongly eugenic - garbage people (ukie rebels, prisoners, thirdworld people from churkastans) go in first, while pure blooded slavs are directing things and running complex weapon systems. The US armed forces has adopted a similar doctrine with its focus on recruiting mentally ill sexual deviants, insane women and BIPOC. However, the US armed forces have gone one step further than the russians - they have applied this doctrine at all levels including the officer corps.
Wagner Group's frustrations are boiling over. They probably weren't expecting the Ukrainians to fight this fiercely even attacked from multiple directions.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to buy time for the western armor to arrive. If they can keep the Russians focused on Bakhmut it will make counter attacking in the north or south again much easier. It will also force the Russians to either abandon the assault on Bakhmut to try and stop a counterattack or face losing even more territory. Last time they chose to keep assaulting Bakhmut even though they were losing hundreds of square kilometers a day during the previous counterattack the Ukrainians did.
Mariupol was a Pyrrhic victory for Russia which knocked the wind out of the Russian Southern front (especially among the Separatists and Chechens), forcing the Russians to focus on the Eastern front. For fuck's sake, they even leveled the city and rendered it a worthless prize.
What?
Their offensive was incredibly successful. They recaptured Kherson, expelled the Russians from Kharkiv, and recaptured huge areas of land east of Kharkiv. Obviously they stopped at some point, considering the plan wasn't to retake all of Ukraine with the limited forces available, so I don't understand what you're talking about. Furthermore, they relied heavily on the western trained troops around Kharkiv, which is why they had so much success.
As for Mariupol, it served its purpose. They stalled Russians for months and inflicted disproportionate casualties on the enemy. Breaking the encirclement wasn't an option, and the reason the defenders had to give up was because they couldn't get supplies.
Russia will likely take Bakmut this month.
I think Ukraine will target it for a counteroffensive relatively soon though, as it would make a nice propaganda victory.
We may finally be approaching that point unironically. It isn't guaranteed, but this is definitely the closest Bakhmut has come to falling yet. That's not concern trolling, that's just being realistic. Either way it's more than served its strategic purpose even if it were to fully collapse today.
The Twitterfags raking Syrskyi over the coals don't get it.
Prigozhin's ego is tied up in Wagner's success. Retreating does not gain you any advantage over his men, they will constantly and relentlessly attack for so long as he can find replacements. They will never stop and they can never be convinced to retreat. Retreating whenever they put you in a less than idea position means you will continuously, inexorably, unendingly give up territory, because Ukraine lacks the firepower advantage needed to defeat Wagner (ie to defeat Wagner you must wipe out one of its units and occupy their position before more can be brought up). The best that can be done is to defend every position they attack to the death because this at least slows their advance to such a crawl that longer-term strategic trends can change the situation overall.
>i-it's not like we want bakhmut anyway, we're just grinding down d-defenders while losing 7 of our guys for each one of theirs
rusmoron cope reaches omega levels lmaaao
Whiter than you
Whiter than the invasion horde
So yes, still dont get why 4chan is now celebrating blonde girls with blue/green eyes getting killed in europe by "saviours of the white race and anti satanist globohomo soldiers" like pic related.
What's with you illiterate morons not being able to simply spell "Ukrainian"? Always "Ukranian" or "ukranien". It's not that hard.
Also, we know you're lying about the ukrainian women you've met being coal burners, that would require you to leave your basement and not spam boards with low quality rage bait.
My dude every single day we get clips of entire rusky columns shred to pieces and cockroaches running from husk to husk trying to avoid the Hispanicy drones that come after to finish them off. Do you really think you clip is anything to brag about?
This but unironically. Ukraine has around 5000 casualties since the start of the war, of which about 300 are KIA and 28 MIA. They are merely exaggerating the casualties to receive better equipment. Ukraine often takes russian bodies and stick them in ukrainian uniforms for RUAF and Wagner to find. Sometimes they put them into NATO uniforms or use bodies that look similar to Zelensky as a goof. I can't reveal my sources, as it would reveal me but it's reliable since it's a third party, boots on ground observation.
If I was in charge of organizing things for Russia I'd stop trying to go on the offensive if/when Bakhmut falls. I'd focus on digging in what artillery and armor I have left, and on amassing and preparing as much of the air force as I can in preparation for the anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive. Then when it occurs use the air force to blunt the offensive as much as physically possible, ideally stopping it before another major gesture of good will has to occur.
The objective would just be to focus on making things as messy as possible, holding onto what is currently held, and hopefully freeze the conflict. Ideally the West gets bored and stops funding the Ukrainians so heavily, and Russia has time to lick it's wounds, beg for gibs from the Chinese, Iranians, and North Koreans, and hopefully actually try to learn a few lessons before Monke inevitably tries the entire thing again in a few years.
Is it a great plan? Not really, but frankly I think it's a hell of a lot better than anything General Armageddon, General Winter, General Confusion, or General Inept have come up with.
I still don't understand why they haven't ruined the Dnepr bridges yet. Is the plan to keep them for their own use eventually? If they get close, the Ukrainians will just blow them up anyway, so what's the point of leaving them?
>honestly at this point im wondering if literally any of us in this thread could do a better job than russian generals.
Maybe not. Their communications are so shit and compromised the only way the senior officers can figure out what's going on is to go up to drone country and die.
what ive heard is most left, still a couple thousand there that dont/cant leave. some of the retards want the russians there even though they've been wrecking the city
>wanting Russia to destroy your home, steal everything you own, and rape your family
Take a moment to admire the restraint shown towards these traitorous fucks. I doubt I'd have the willpower to resist shooting them in the fucking spine and leaving them to be helped by their "big brothers" destroying the entire town.
what ive heard is most left, still a couple thousand there that dont/cant leave. some of the retards want the russians there even though they've been wrecking the city
That mainly applies to some old boomer soviet era civilians. The smart thing to do would be to leave them to their fate and prepare a better defensive position outside the city where the risk of encirclement is significantly lower.
That said even if there were say 5,000 troops holding position inside/around the city they can still make things difficult for Russia for some time. I don't think they could hold out for nearly as long as Mariupol did, but on the other hand I think Ukraine both is in a much better position to launch a counter attack that could potentially break the (as yet) potential encirclement, and that the potential defenders could likely make things difficult enough for the mud season to really get going.
You're the best seether in PrepHole because it's so easy to recognize your garbage english and same pics you post all the time.
Always get a good laugh.
>City of Bakhmut surrounded >Could take it when ever we want >Garrisoned only by old people and children >Prigozhin begs Ukraine to withdraw troops from the city >Days later Bakhmut still in Ukraine hands >Wagner in lack of men and ammunition >Prigozhin screaming betrayal by Russian MoD
What are the tactical advantages of expending wave after wave of men attacking a small town in the donbas?
Oh, when Prygozhyn was supposedly in Bakhmut begging Ukraine to withdraw troops from the city he was actually in village of Paraskoviivka ( 48°39'23.01"N, 37°59'48.26"E ), which the Russia announced was captured on February 20
Maybe poisoning Kadyrov was a warning to other military commanders in ukraine. He stopped fighting and went home. And he got whacked.
So it's a message: "Don't even think of coming home until the job is done. Results are expected, and if you come home without them, you will die here just as likely as in ukraine."
That's why Prigozhin is pleading ukies to stop fighting. He knows he's running out of men and ammo, and that he can't withdraw without taking the city or he too will get whacked.
They probably won't take it. There is info from yesterday that Ukrainians are bringing trucks full of gravel to the area and building aditional roads to bahmut.
>https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375
/uhg/ bros what happened to the heckin wholesome race war...
The defensive operation and further strengthening of Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut will continue.
This decision was made at a meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
So I guess they still think that it's worth holding on to it for at least little while longer. It is a good meatgrinder for mobiks, if nothing else.
>So I guess they still think that it's worth holding on to it for at least little while longer. It is a good meatgrinder for mobiks, if nothing else.
It's sucking up a HUGE amount of Russian focus, manpower etc. Yes it's costing Ukraine significantly in terms of some resources, but note how Ukraine has been very careful in what they deploy. It's not all their vehicles, it's troops, artillery (at a safe distance) etc.
Ukraine right now is trying very, very hard to muster enough for a serious mechanized counter thrust somewhere, maybe in the south. So they really don't want to be expending what they need for that holding the line. Having everything concentrated in this one rando little city actually works quite well for them. Trench warfare and static defenses are bloody affairs and eat lots of ammo, but can be made relatively light in terms of attritioning of tanks/IFVs/APCs assuming one side doesn't actually want to push forward, just hold. Also relatively light on fuel for the defending side. If fighting was everywhere across the entire line Ukraine might be forced to spend their counter thrust stuff on fire fighting.
Of course, if Russia quit now Ukraine would have a big thing to trumpet so they get something either way. Russia has once again trapped itself in a retarded situation.
No Soledar
No Zaporizhia
No Luhansk
No Donetsk
No Crimea
No expansion past 2014 borders >look guyses we did not lose ALL our territory so this means we won
Oleksandr Marchenko also told the BBC the remaining 4,000 civilians are living in shelters without access to gas, electricity or water.
Mr Marchenko said "not a single building" had remained untouched and that the city is "almost destroyed".
Shit's fucked, yo. And there is still like 4k civvies in there. Probably old people, or people who can not be moved, or just too stubborn to move. Some people just want to die at home.
Oh, if Russians take the city they are utterly fucked. They will be forced into a couple of propaganda pictures, shake hands with russian "liberators" and thank them for "saving them".
And then pretty much the whole population will be raped, killed and/or forcibly moved to siberia or something. Russian convicts have bled so much there that there will undoubtedly be retribution acts against civvies. Torture chambers and such. it will be Bucha all over again.
I bet hohols hold bakhmut just to waste more Wagmorons and thier ammo, so that when they go on a offensive they will face mostly useless mobiks and fewer competent combatants from Wagner
Fucking how?
Waggies ran out of warm bodies.
I don't fucking know, they should've done that at least a week ago after the bridge blew up, but today Prigozin or whatever made another video bitching to russian MoD that if Wagner is taken out of the conflict or something then the entire front line will collapse
I mean that's just him playing up his role as always. I doubt that's actually true
VDV, russian regulars and mobniks are trying to spam the throat. Fagners ran out of meat and are relegated to side duties
Some units refused to follow the Withdrawal Order and they are making a last stand in bakhmut.
It says nothing about refusing to withdraw though.
Was there even withdrawal orders? I heard a lot of the more "elite" forces were replaced with TDF.
Magyar confirmed that they recieved the order yesterday.
You dont have enough with your mobik rape fantasies you filthy vatnik?
Yah, some commanders have confirmed they were given orders to reposition outside of the city. Supposedly the amount of Ukrainian defenders has dropped to around 3,000-5,000 from the original 20,000 around the city.
Russians want to take the city, but they need to drive off the Ukrainians from the ENTIRE vicinity to do that. The Ukrainians know this.
It’s part of the confusion being sowed by UA
Do they retreat? Do they attack? Is the UA too depleted to do a spring offensive? Which forces are here and which ones have returned?
All I know is using mobiks to invade another country is recipe for failure
>All I know is using mobiks to invade another country is recipe for failure
What if we used more mobiks?
2 more days.
Inb4 the curry posters come to shit this up, they come like flies to shit with the cat
>Ukraine still hasn't defended bakhmit
3.9 hours
What's in 3.9 hours?
That's when the two weeks end, and the next two weeks begin
Russia actually took Bakhmut 2 weeks ago do Ur research
Kek, I remember that thread.
Why did you screencap this?
Come on, they've only been at it for eight months, these things take time, so many layers of gloves to remove.
LOS STRANGERAS
May we see the glove shipments?
wait but the vatniks screamed on telegram that it's over, how come?
By I personally saw about 198 threads with Prigogine in the middle of Bakhmut.
They've been trying to take this stupid fucking town for 7 months now, why the fuck can't they take this single. fucking. town.
Because they aren’t really trying to take it, they are using it to bleed Ukraine. Have you seen how many hohols have been killed defending that shithole?
>Have you seen how many hohols have been killed defending that shithole?
No?
Yeah, their name starts with a W, and ends with agner.
>w-we haven't even really been trying to take it! Please just leave already and let us have it!
cool cope tovarish.
No, Ukraine hides its deaths. And the transexual mods ban people for posting the true number.
This has never worked as a long term strategy in the recorded history of warfare
>thinks real life is a video game and that throwing your soldiers and future of your shrinking economy is in any advantagious because of muh xp
The city is not even encircled, you can’t bleed an enemy out if you can’t even close the city off from reinforcements, at that point it’s the pigs bleeding the bear dry instead of the other way arounf
I was reliably informed that they captured the city two days ago.
My dad is Bahkmut and he said no it wasn't
back from my three day ban from posting this exact image and text
Welcome back fren
At least its smooth sailing after Bakhmut, righ-oh....
Just 2 more weeks 😉
I CANNOT WAIT for the battle of Stinky
these names are gonna make it a bit better at least
>MUSICIANS WILL TAKE STINKY IN 2 MORE WEEKS
>THE ORCHESTRA HAS PLAYED WELL IN SEMENIVKA*~~))
>KADYROV'S MEN ARE WORKING IN THE FEDORA DIRECTION
>THE BACKWARDSING FEDORA DIRECTION YES
Its always so ridiculous that they say that Bakhmut is the last line of defense in the East. Like there isn't dozens of towns just as big as Bakhmut around there.
If Russia doesn't take Bakhmut by the end of 5the week its over, they will never be able to take it. Mud season is starting NOW, and makes offensive actions are basically impossible until the ground turns from mud back into earth.
I think the next major event in the war is going to be Ukraine's spring offensive. Of course, we don't know when that is happening, what area they plan to attack, and what role Bakhmut plays into it all (stalling and slaughtering Russians, I suppose).
Either way, whether Bakhmut falls or not within the coming weeks probably doesn't matter much, because it has mostly served it's purpose. The offensive will be the next big thing.
I hope they'll go for Mariupol to split in two the Russian occupied territories
That's what I assume they'll do, primarily for strategic reasons, but recapturing Mariupol would also be a major propaganda victory.
If that's the case they may actually just hold onto Bakhmut still. If the plan was always to hold it till the offensive starts then what's two more months after seven?
>If that's the case they may actually just hold onto Bakhmut still.
That seems to be what they're doing. I think they planned to abandon Bakhmut months ago, but because they've been able to hold on to it for much longer than predicted, I think they might actually try to hold on to it as this point, because they're getting so close to the spring offensive.
I'm still 50/50 no that though. I wouldn't be surprised if let Russia have it at this point. We'll see.
are they not literally pulling out right now?
My impression is that they're leaving the city but engaging the Russian flanks outside of the city.
they would have to
russian lines are only like 300 yards away from either road out
Unfortunately for Wagner Group, Russia MoD isn't exactly lining up to supply it with lots of ammo. They hate each other.
Girkin probably (and correctly) sees Prigozhin as a fucking moron whose "brilliance" is to do what everyone else does: throw lots of men at a problem.
>Girkin probably (and correctly) sees Prigozhin as a fucking moron
sure, but can he outpunch him in an enclosed space? that's the question.
Girkin's a trained soldier. Prigozhin is a fucking ex-convict.
Wasn't Girkin's entire thing mobilizing to send more men at the problem? Russians really have no sense of self awareness.
I've seen conflicting reports. I've read some stuff that supports the idea that they're preparing to pull out, like blowing up bridges and pulling certain equipment out of Bakhmut, while on the other hand, they also seem to be reinforcing with "elite" troops, so it's hard to tell.
the reinforcements are for holding the exit route
What if Wagner retreats, lol?
>The leader of the Wagner Group has demanded that the Russian military send his mercenary troops ammunition immediately. Yevgeny Prigozhin, founder and leader, who is on the frontline in the fight for Bakhmut, issued the demand under a veiled ultimatum. He warned that if his troops did not receive any more ammunition, they would retreat and the entire Russian frontline would collapse.
very cool source and definitely not cope
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1742654/Wagner-Group-Vladimir-Putin-Russia-Ukraine-frontline-Bakhmut-Prigozhin-latest
prigo said it himself, what is with this cope?
I think that guy's going to have an accident sooner or later. Putin can only tolerate criticism of his war for so long.
>what if a peon insults and betrays his lord and destroys the military gains
Then the musicians will become the sledgehammered
Wagner's leader is high on himself. He might very well not be half as smart as he thinks he is.
He's trying to blackmail the Kremlin.
He’s a retard, but MSM propaganda calling him a "warlord" is just too fantastical and silly. The guy is just a Putin pal and a part of the regime’s security apparatus. Maybe there’s glowies in the background presenting him to the MSM like this to boost the guy’s ego by putting out fake reality that he’s some kind of independent power and cause a split with Putin?
I smell some kind of trap. Ukrainians are sneaky fuckers. I think they're intentionally bombarding us with conflicting reports.
It's telling Wagner's leader is bitching about a potential collapse in Russian lines.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1742654/Wagner-Group-Vladimir-Putin-Russia-Ukraine-frontline-Bakhmut-Prigozhin-latest
Yeah, that's the problem with trying to analyze anything at all. While Russia is easy to predict, Ukraine is keeping their cards close to their chest, which has worked out well for them in the past.
We know something is going to happen, based on the predicted spring offensive, so it's hard to tell if and/or why they're pulling out of Bakhmut, and what role it has played in their overall strategy.
I mean, the obvious assumption which I think most of us can agree on, is that they've used Bakhmut to grind down and kill as many Russians as possible, while taking comparatively few losses. The question is whether or not they're pulling out now because they can't hold on to Bakhmut anymore, or because it has served its purpose. Then there's the third, but less likely option, that they intend to hold on to it, because the spring offensive is so close that it's become viable. If they attack elsewhere in force, Russian forces will be diverted, and Bakhmut will no longer be threatened.
>comparatively few losses
lol
50k dead mobiks wish they could share your laughter.
yes retard, entrenched defenders a lot take less losses than those who send meat waves for 2 months.
Why is the narrative changing to 50K today? Why not 80K like yesterday? 80K sounds like it would increase morale more.
Sure, sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Yes, that's the only reason they held onto Bakhmut, you shitposting gay.
lmao
>only the bad guys die, just like in my favorite hollywood movies
>brings up marvel 10 times per thread
fuck off with your capeshit you absolute manchild
Give him a break. They can’t do anything but project when they’re upset.
>only the bad guys die, just like in my favorite hollywood movies
So even you believe the Russians are the bad guys, huh?
Fuck off, you underage shitposter.
I have a guess what the Ukrainians might be up to.
They're going to force the Russians to use way too much ammo at the same time they strike Russian ammo supplies AND production. The Russians run out of ammo in the area, and are forced to flee.
If the Russians run out of bullets prematurely, they're fucked.
HIT their fucking Logistics and win the battle already. Force a retreat.
According to a Polish war correspondent the bridge leading out of Bakhmut was blown by a Russian artillery shell detonating mines planted underneath it. He was doomposting a few days ago, but his latest reports suggest no retreat is taking place and that the Ukrainians have stabilised the situation on the flanks and they will hold the city as long as it's feasible
>According to a Polish war correspondent the bridge leading out of Bakhmut was blown by a Russian artillery shell detonating mines planted underneath it.
Yeah. The one the Ukrainians blew up was in the center of the city and it wasn't a road bridge, but a railway bridge, based on what I read. Admittedly, I didn't look too closely into it, so feel free to correct me.
Mud season doesn't matter for Russia's new tactics (pinoneered by Wagner) of predominantly relying on light infantry inflitration and human wave assaults.
Incidentally, these tactics are uniquely suited to take advantage of Russia's main advantage (manpower) and ideally suited for slow, grinding advance into the densely settle area beyond Bakhmut.
Unless Russia runs out of manpower, food and WW-2 era artillery, they will continue to slowly advance forward.
>Unless Russia runs out of manpower, food and WW-2 era artillery, they will continue to slowly advance forward.
Two more meals
This person has never walked in a muddy field, or likely anywhere outside cities.
Mud season does not turn the ground into a marsh, especially not on roads (unless you happen to be in Sibir or some parts of Poland and Finland, where it does exactly that). Light infantry can continue to advance normally unless the front stalls and the continue movement over the same ground turns entire fields into giant mud traps.
>Unless Russia runs out of manpower, food and WW-2 era artillery, they will continue to slowly advance forward.
Russia is fighting a country being armed by an alliance that spent 70 years refining the extermination of Asiatic Bolshevik hordes into a literal science. They're not advancing anywhere except into mass graves.
Not to mention the Ukrainians KNOW the Russian playbook better than the Russians do.
Helps one of their leaders (Oleksandr) was born and trained IN Russia, lol. That's the problem with "brother wars". Your opponent knows your moves as well as you do.
> Russia's main advantage (manpower)
Literally the other way around. Ukraine has more men in the trenches while Russia has more of everything else
PrepHole promised Bakhmut would fall anyday
What happens here?
you don't wanna know...
>Just pull back the cocking
>wait'll
>M16
>mag apparently sized for .50 BMG
Intensely based.
It's literal translation would be "Walls". Idk probably some village with <1000 residents
why is it stinky though?
also checked.
two in the pisky one in the stinky as they say
runoff from Nyu Iyork pools there
Look to the south of Bakhmut, and you'll find New York.
There's a division stationed there, and two more in neighboring Pinky.
That's where they keep the russian POWs.
Imagine the smell.
Uh oh!
>Stinky no toilet
UH OH
Imagine the place of your death being Stinky
biolabs
Imagine if stinky was the front. "Battle of Stinky"
smash melee locals
It’s probably pronounced stinkih
The "stin" part is pronounced like the end of Justin
has the war changed, or is the only difference that tales such as this are now much more easier committed to digital memory?
Russians were always like this, raping whatever they could. Enemies, civilians, allies, their own people and their own soldiers... it never mattered.
We laugh that Bakhmut is still holding, but you have to take a moment and marvel at the cost. The Russians have definitely got the worst end of the stick, but the Ukrainians have taken huge casualties, too. This has been the bloodiest battle since God knows when. Maybe WWII?
why would ukranians take huge casualties? 100-300 a day dead and wounded ukranians around bakhmut is nothing when the kill rate is 7:1
40,000 wagner casualties alone around there, most are prisoners of course, but bakhmut is definitely tying them up
lmao those are russian papers, those are dead wagnerites hahahaa
>Russian gore posted 24/7
>God forbid you post dead piggers!
lol, such hypocrisy.
>clip art of brown Indian
clever
arnt all indians brown?
How likely is that the ukies dug tunnels to enter and exit the city as they please and make it pretty much impossible for the vatniks to be 100% safe from ambushes coming out of a random bM2its of rubble?
The entire town is built on top of a salt mine complex with miles and miles of criss-crossing tunnels.
It's a clusterfuck, and a perfect opportunity to do some ambush attacks or tunnel rat shit. They probably have an underground exit route even if russians cut all the roads.
Not even a vatmoron sympathizer, but wasn't that the same cope at Soledar? Sure it was costly for the assaulting Russians, but they did eventually throw enough meat to take it, salt mine neo-vietcong tunnels or no.
What has capturing Soledar done for them? It's cost thousands or tens of thousands, only to get them closer to capturing Bakhmut. What will capturing Bakhmut get them?
>when you lose to Russians you win
Yes indeed
That isn't really my argument, frankly I think even IF, and that remains a big IF at this point, Russia captures Bakhmut that there isn't really a readily apparent follow up they can make from there, particularly with mud season about to hit full force.
That still doesn't change the fact that I think the supposed strategic significance of the salt mines is being overstated. Bakhmut isn't like Mariupol where the remaining Ukrainian defenders have an obviously heavily defensible area they can fall back to, hold up in, and conduct operations out of for months on end.
My take on it is that Russian top brass are bungling it in order to get as many Wagner troops killed. That's the only reason i can think off other than complete incompetence
>That's the only reason i can think off other than complete incompetence
Occam's razor
>other than incompetence
We’re a year into this clown show mate why would you doubt them now.
My theory is that Putin realized it was a mistake and to survive he needs to get all the warhawks killed and make it so painful that his withdrawal later would be seen as heroic and a relief. Because warhawks will blame him for starting and losing the war while others will just carry on
It’s how psychopaths think, I was one when younger
Imagine Putin and the West United in one mission - to kill as many Russians as possible and end the war
Putin may be a psychopath by training but he’s not deluded anymore in thinking he can reach Kiev
>My take on it is that Russian top brass are bungling it in order to get as many Wagner troops killed.
That sounds like Chiang Kai Shek's warlord armies.
Everyone keeps talking about Bakhmut, but no one ever talks about the Russians already being on the outskirts of New York. Seems like a much bigger story to me.
big if true
Does burgertown still hold?
RAMIREZ YOU FUCKING Hispanic PIECE OF SHIT GET ON THAT FUCKING GATLING GUN ROGHT NOW BEFORE I WHOOP YO ASS BOI SHEEEEIT
That front around Donetsk rarely get's talked about but it is ridiculous. There's been intense fighting there for a year now and the front lines pretty much haven't changed
Nine years.
>for a year now
Don't forget about the 7-8 years before the invasion.
RAMIREZ DEFEND BURGERTOWN
Why don't they use their T-14 Armatas?
honest question.
Because they don't exist outside a few prototypes
And thoose are apparently shit
Assuming the Russians are actually sending those to the front, it's going to be fun to see which tank will get destroyed first. A western tank or an Armata. Based on the extreme rarity of the latter and the fact that Russia is probably going to keep them in the back to avoid a propaganda loss, my bet would be on a western tank getting destroyed first, simply because they'll actually see combat.
the photo of the one armata half complete sitting in a factory for 3 years is funny.
their chink turbos disintegrated and they shat their valve trains out the tail pipe
I'm completely floored that people actually buy turbos on AliExpress AND install them on their cars
That tank is an elaborate prank, it literally doesn't work and is full of components the Ruskies can't get anymore due to sanctions.
They can't see the... fucking 3 they built to fight the Ukrainian's because
>They don't work
>CIA glow bros will be tracking them every inch of their journey recording in high definition to get obliterated by artillery or knowing these retards driven over a clearly visible mine
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Russian pranks on their own army
The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Monke's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from popadanets literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Special Military Operation truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Putin's existencial catchphrase "I'm gonna regrooop!," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Surkov's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Z tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
What has a longer term damaging effect, them not openly using them, or them using them and something going wrong with even one of them.
T-34s SOON COMRADE! RETROFITTED!
They’ll just pull a Rhodesia and tow these half handful of tanks around to look like they are doing something.
Assuming it even works
The Armata is too valuable, losing it would be a massive morale hit and the enemy would get it's hands on classified tech
Same reason the Ukrainian Abrams won't have DU and a few other features
I want Ukraine to capture an Armata just so they can make a superior version of it.
why does the gun look "off"
shouldn't there be jacketing around the barrel or something
>why does the gun look "off"
>shouldn't there be jacketing around the barrel or something
It doesnt have a bore evacuator. It doesnt need one, because the crew is sitting up front, isolated from the turret compartment. It means that the T-14 can throw its turret and then drive away.
"They might deploy better tanks in an effective manner somewhere along the line", however incredulous a possibility that is, is infinitely more valuable than "they drove the only three they had onto anti-tank mines and it turns out they're made of wishful thinking and aluminum, lmao". Once the T-14 is *provably* demonstrated to be the paper tiger we all reasonably expect it to be, that's a big loss of both morale and useful uncertainty.
and this ofc assumes they can get them to move under their own power and whatnot, so, yknow...eh
IF the T-14 is ever used i see two scenarios
>Russias loses, goes full volksturm and uses everything to defend Moscow
>Russia somehow survives this war and tests it out in some minor third-world intervention
I’m not pro russian, but we don’t need Bakhmut. The only purpose of Bakhmut is to grind down the hohols. It’s Stalingrad all over again.
Funny guy.
don't look up soviet casualties at stalingrad. rather, don't look up russian/soviet casualties in any of the battles, just don't.
Ukrainans are Soviet, too (and many are Russian..)
not anymore, evidently.
....wasn't Stalingrad ultimately won by the defending army??
I swear this is like the 5th Stalingrad of this war
Stalingrad was won by the DEFENDING side.
>Stalingrad was won by the DEFENDING side.
Was it really? The Germans (as attackers) pushed the Russians out of most of the city. After that they were surrounded and then they became the defenders, and were eventually crushed.
>I'm not pro-russian but ... [insert most deranged cope here]
Like clockwork
>Like clockwork
What is of wrong with John of Montana Oblast postings? I am Fred from Miami oblast, and I too am of supporting Ukraine pigs but am of concerning about glorious Russian victories within next two weeks.
>today the combat medic of the 93rd brigade "Kholodny Yar" died in Bakhmut
Guys... I wanted to save her
why is 4chan against white people now?
God I hope she has a girlcock
They just had today a thread where they celebrated an missile strike on a apartment and nearly killed some 5 and 8 year old ukrainians girls. Not to mention the strike this week who killed an entire family with her 8 month old girl. Those people are just brown subhumans, not even 20 percent white lmao
>Russia is... le brown
>t. 56%er (Counting hispanics and dying white boomers)
>most of people being still christian while the most popular baby name in russia is mohammad
Muslims are less creative and just name kids after the prophet
Orthodox Christians have a lot of saints to choose from
he is talking about lefty4chan celebrating ukrainians dying anon. 95% of /chug/tards are not even russian.
ok lets call them "le mongol" then dipshit.
le churka
meanwhile in moscow
>Will import by 2030
America has been importing them since it's founding
>religion=race
The average Russian muslim is whiter than the average christian border hopper in America
Also based trad NATO love Islam
>Fights a war to protect kebabs
>Accepts Turkey as a member
>Accepts Bosnia
>Creates Kosovo
>the average Russian Muslim
nato-russia/globlehomo-euraisa=all the same thing
>why is 4chan against white people now?
Most aren't, 4chan got a massive influx of Vatmorons and Poos that do nothing but spam Vatmoron propaganda.
Kind of like how PrepHole has a fuck ton of Glowmorons/Leftypol spaming shit here.
No probs with hating pol and pol takes, but the whole "pol has been infiltrated for years by thirdies and browns" bit is pretty much a full on pol take itself, lessens the chances that home grown extremists are taken seriously as a domestic threat also. I'm well aware that pol is psyopped to fuck by various countries and political groups but don't think the white kids in North America and Europe aren't soaking it all up...
I saw a 4chan meetup in the wild once, it was no lie 100% arabs/indians. Never been able to take them seriously after that.
Why don't you kill some enemies in minecraft if you're so aggrieved about being white that you're seething all day every day about dumb conspiracy theories?
Yeah, it's probably /uhg/ tards trying to fit in
Funny how much nuPrepHole is obssesed with race
People used to hate 4chan for it's retarded ideology, these fags hate it for ''not being white enough'' or whatever
>/uhg/
>nu/k/
you have to go back
Possibly feds as well
>TFW assigned to shill for the US government on PrepHole
>TFW briefing says this is a neonazi website
>TFW you spam stupid racist shit about NATO being the fourth reich or whatever
The official pro-Ukraine narrative is
>Democratic Ukraine is fighting colonial expansion by fascist homophobe putler
>Nazis are either made up by Russia or ADL approved good guys
Only here you get this ''based Ukronazis will exterminate every brown communist'' BS
>based Ukronazis will exterminate every brown communist
No one likes the brownies, but if I ever saw anyone wishing Ukraine to genocide every brown communist in the world... Like seriously if you wish to start the shitskin genocide, why stop at commies?
>No one likes the brownies
No one gave much of a shit about them before the war tourists came along
PrepHole did not like stormfags, stormfags cared more about blacks and garden gnomes
Probably the Cyber Brigade guidelines say you can't make fun of these two so they stick to browns
There's a difference between making fun of and genocide threats. Yeah, I agree, sometimes the jokes about chinkoids are rather cruel, but that's just the reflection of chinks' behaviour.
The dislike for brownies comes from them simping for russians(whom are just snow nignogs), and spamming (see the lancetspammer)
Was this the girl who was looking for that dude's head in the video from the beginning of the war? Shame either way.
ugly af
>t.
kek I'm sorry but she was
>fat
>ugly
>had moron haircut
nothing of value is lost. no russian would even rape her, the only solution was death
>russians that raped a baby and some eldery women at bucha now they have standards and wont fuck a young fat woman.
What ever you say Prajeet
No I guess not, they're more interested in raping toddlers and each other.
Post some evidence of the competence of the Russian military. Come on gay, gimmie some Armatas, some spetznaz, some musclebound VDV elites. Show me the army that could take Berlin in two days.
I don't know if you fag tourists understand this, but PrepHole is not as interested in your culture war as we are in guns, warfare, and such related content.
When one side of a war is literal subsaharan moron-tier, we are going to make fun of them. Even moreso when their advocates have been spamming their supposed wunderwaffen for years. In a few years they'll become content for "ukraine war aesthetics" threads or the like.
>Four out of six posts deleted as of writing
Do you know where the haircut was stolen by morons from anon?
>no russian would even rape her
>her
gee i wonder why
because the people who aren't retarded know the truth
a certain kind of freedom loving morons helped the ziggers defeat the whites in ww2
both are enemies to EUROPE
No matter how hard vatniks try to spin anything, they will never recover from the 3 days claim. Every time it takes them months to capture a small town its only makes this worse. Truly amazing.
russia throwing all their eggs in bakhmut might be the battle of tsushima 2.0. people are only so willing to throw their children into a meat grinder for diminishing returns
Didn't the ukies start the retreat already? HOW.
We have no reliable sources from there. All we get is the claims of random soldiers and Prigozhin's propagandists.
If we cobble these together with official statements from Ukraine, it might seem that:
>a general (orderly) retreat has begun
>at the same time, units composed entirely of volunteers are being sent in to hold on as long as they think they can
>among these volunteer units are the famous "cyborgs" of Donestk airport who earlier participated in fighting around Piski
>Ukrainian soldiers are holding on at both flanks, focusing on preventing an encirclement
>Girkin and Prigozhin are shitsposting at each other
and Prigozhin are shitsposting at each other
i'd pay good money to see these fags in the ring.
>PrepHole doesn't realize that this was posted by a vatnik to make fun of PrepHoleoping mechanism
>they are taking it at face value
Absolute state
>noooooo this is just like when ironman defeated thanos noooo!
And yet Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut.
>uh yeah actually retreating is super good here for me and also you are definitely also retreating because we won and youre running out ammo 10 months ago while we retreat
I’m wasting my time posting analysis here, but what can I say? I’m addicted.
The RuAF lost militarily last year with the failure of the Kiev Encirclement operation. Due to lack of supplies / readiness they stalled out before completing the encirclement. Emergency delivery of NATO anti-tank weapons (plus Ukrainian weapons) caused horrendous casualties and loss of equipment. RuAF likely rebelled or was close to rebelling so the government had no choice but to call them back. Total defeat. And they NEVER recovered, they remained defeated to this day.
What’s been happening since last year is that they shifted the burden of infantry fighting to the separatists, probably as a deal to bring them in officially into the Russian Federation. The separatist territories were emptied out of men in a giant mobilization. They were just as bad as their former Ukrainian countrymen in training, command, etc, but NOT in weapons and supplies. RuAF, though defeated, could still operate artillery batteries which they did — attack targets, doing counter-battery, and provide organic fire support for separatists. Ukrainian guns would only attack targets, NOT do counter-battery, and, critically, not offer any organic fire support. Ukrainian troops got very weak, insufficient small tube mortars for fire support. This ultimately resulted in continual loss of territory by Ukraine. If the RuAF’s guns were better and hit things there may not be Zelensky government by now.
>This ultimately resulted in continual loss of territory by Ukraine.
What the hell are you talking about? While Russia has made some tiny gains in the east, they've lost most of their initial gains, aside from the southern corridor spanning from the Russian separatist areas to Crimea, and I assume this is the area that the spring offensive is going to target, because it's going to be very difficult for Russia to reinforce it.
Russia's strategy at this point relies almost solely on artillery and human waves, and neither is sustainable. They're already forced to conserve their artillery due to expending most of their reserves, and with their lack of progress and equipment shortages, their human waves are likely to run out, as fewer people are going to be willing to throw themselves into the meatgrinder. The only thing that could temporarily boost Russia's abilities to fight in Ukraine is actually declaring war, which would lift most restrictions and provide them with far more manpower. But even that isn't going to be enough at this point.
Russian artillery is vulnerable to Logistical disruption. The system breaks down when it is hammered.
He has his own mercenary army. He IS an independent power. I think his ambition is to be top dog one day.
>What’s been happening since last year is that they shifted the burden of infantry fighting to the separatists, probably as a deal to bring them in officially into the Russian Federation.
Not exactly. The modern russian infantry doctrine appears to be strongly eugenic - garbage people (ukie rebels, prisoners, thirdworld people from churkastans) go in first, while pure blooded slavs are directing things and running complex weapon systems. The US armed forces has adopted a similar doctrine with its focus on recruiting mentally ill sexual deviants, insane women and BIPOC. However, the US armed forces have gone one step further than the russians - they have applied this doctrine at all levels including the officer corps.
There's still way too much disinformation on all sides.
The best move for Ukraine is to wipe out Russian's ammo supplies in the area, forcing the enemy to run when they expend too much firepower.
It's just that easy you guys!
No ammo = no more combat. Destroy the Russian supplies with HIMARS, and the Russians will simply run out of bullets & shells in that area.
Hot damn, why didn't anyone think of this before?
Could a person survive being hit by one of these rounds??
Sure. If you get hit in the arm or leg and then tourniquet off the stump.
America still hasn't taken Vietnam
Neither did China
We got a McDonald's in Ho Chi Minh City. Only hamburger meat you're exporting is young adults to Bakhmut.
America never tried to take Vietnam, no parts of Vietnam were ever even considered for annexation into the United States
Is that why Wagner's leader is bitching about ammo shortages?
Grow up, you obnoxious little gay.
Depends how effective the shells actually are, fortified urban areas reduce the damage a lot because there's so many obstacles to catch the shrapnel.
While posting pictures of the dozens of guys they lose a day supposedly because of ammo shortages? Nice cope.
Wagner Group's frustrations are boiling over. They probably weren't expecting the Ukrainians to fight this fiercely even attacked from multiple directions.
I think Ukraine has decided to fight Russia for every fucking inch now, lol. A true fighting retreat at slow-as-fuck speed.
I'm calling it.
The Ukrainians are fucking up to something. They've faced this kind of potential encirclement before via Severodonetsk.
But this time they seem to be redeploying their forces outside the city. I smell some kind of trap.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to buy time for the western armor to arrive. If they can keep the Russians focused on Bakhmut it will make counter attacking in the north or south again much easier. It will also force the Russians to either abandon the assault on Bakhmut to try and stop a counterattack or face losing even more territory. Last time they chose to keep assaulting Bakhmut even though they were losing hundreds of square kilometers a day during the previous counterattack the Ukrainians did.
Russians frequently fixate on a single city in frustration due to their political desire for victories.
It looks like the Ukrainians have decided to really make the Russians work for Bakhmut, even when pulling out of the city proper.
Mariupol was a Pyrrhic victory for Russia which knocked the wind out of the Russian Southern front (especially among the Separatists and Chechens), forcing the Russians to focus on the Eastern front. For fuck's sake, they even leveled the city and rendered it a worthless prize.
Post-script: it also took way too long at 2 months. Mariupol bought the Ukrainians a lot of time to prepare.
What?
Their offensive was incredibly successful. They recaptured Kherson, expelled the Russians from Kharkiv, and recaptured huge areas of land east of Kharkiv. Obviously they stopped at some point, considering the plan wasn't to retake all of Ukraine with the limited forces available, so I don't understand what you're talking about. Furthermore, they relied heavily on the western trained troops around Kharkiv, which is why they had so much success.
As for Mariupol, it served its purpose. They stalled Russians for months and inflicted disproportionate casualties on the enemy. Breaking the encirclement wasn't an option, and the reason the defenders had to give up was because they couldn't get supplies.
Which showed that the Russians could be locked into a prolonged killzone if political considerations overrode common sense.
Huh, he disappeared. Why is that?
Russia will likely take Bakmut this month.
I think Ukraine will target it for a counteroffensive relatively soon though, as it would make a nice propaganda victory.
>He says the same thing, after 8 months of wasteless and useless meat waves
See you next month
Write it down. I genuinely believe the town will be taken, even if only temporarily.
>one more month
We may finally be approaching that point unironically. It isn't guaranteed, but this is definitely the closest Bakhmut has come to falling yet. That's not concern trolling, that's just being realistic. Either way it's more than served its strategic purpose even if it were to fully collapse today.
Exactly as we were saying all along comrades
Two more weeks*~~ then HATO will crumble and noone will laugh again at mighty russia
you just wait .... just keep waiting
The Twitterfags raking Syrskyi over the coals don't get it.
Prigozhin's ego is tied up in Wagner's success. Retreating does not gain you any advantage over his men, they will constantly and relentlessly attack for so long as he can find replacements. They will never stop and they can never be convinced to retreat. Retreating whenever they put you in a less than idea position means you will continuously, inexorably, unendingly give up territory, because Ukraine lacks the firepower advantage needed to defeat Wagner (ie to defeat Wagner you must wipe out one of its units and occupy their position before more can be brought up). The best that can be done is to defend every position they attack to the death because this at least slows their advance to such a crawl that longer-term strategic trends can change the situation overall.
You literally sound like Hitler and I don’t mean that in an ironic way.
Bullshit aside, holding Bakhmut might not be something to brag about
>i-it's not like we want bakhmut anyway, we're just grinding down d-defenders while losing 7 of our guys for each one of theirs
rusmoron cope reaches omega levels lmaaao
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1632442584902651904
BTR4 still removing vatmorons in Bakhmut, love this thing
>detached single family homes
Sovl
If we are defeated in one more battle with the Russians, they shall be utterly ruined
>detached single family homes
>Sovl
Imagine being this retarded.
You now remember Polina Gagarina and the song "Кyкyшкa".
If I see that fucking khohol cat one more time...
you know that the more you post that shit, the more it will be humilating for you when Russia is pushed back all the way to the old borders.. right?
Pushed back? As if NAFO could even begin to understand the overwhelming might of the Russian military
Whiter than you
Whiter than the invasion horde
So yes, still dont get why 4chan is now celebrating blonde girls with blue/green eyes getting killed in europe by "saviours of the white race and anti satanist globohomo soldiers" like pic related.
checked
and duh it's because they're pajeets and communists
Fog of war right now is a bitch
still don't know what is going on at bakhmut
waiting for a footage of ukrainian flag left in some bumhole to prove that bakhmut is standing as they did with soledar kek
What's with you illiterate morons not being able to simply spell "Ukrainian"? Always "Ukranian" or "ukranien". It's not that hard.
Also, we know you're lying about the ukrainian women you've met being coal burners, that would require you to leave your basement and not spam boards with low quality rage bait.
holy fuck jannies are working overtime to clean out the pajeets tonight lmao
> look at this pile of boddies
> shows 1 guy
My dude every single day we get clips of entire rusky columns shred to pieces and cockroaches running from husk to husk trying to avoid the Hispanicy drones that come after to finish them off. Do you really think you clip is anything to brag about?
This but unironically. Ukraine has around 5000 casualties since the start of the war, of which about 300 are KIA and 28 MIA. They are merely exaggerating the casualties to receive better equipment. Ukraine often takes russian bodies and stick them in ukrainian uniforms for RUAF and Wagner to find. Sometimes they put them into NATO uniforms or use bodies that look similar to Zelensky as a goof. I can't reveal my sources, as it would reveal me but it's reliable since it's a third party, boots on ground observation.
>waaaaaaaaah i have reap what i sow waaaaaaaah
honestly at this point im wondering if literally any of us in this thread could do a better job than russian generals.
If I was in charge of organizing things for Russia I'd stop trying to go on the offensive if/when Bakhmut falls. I'd focus on digging in what artillery and armor I have left, and on amassing and preparing as much of the air force as I can in preparation for the anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive. Then when it occurs use the air force to blunt the offensive as much as physically possible, ideally stopping it before another major gesture of good will has to occur.
The objective would just be to focus on making things as messy as possible, holding onto what is currently held, and hopefully freeze the conflict. Ideally the West gets bored and stops funding the Ukrainians so heavily, and Russia has time to lick it's wounds, beg for gibs from the Chinese, Iranians, and North Koreans, and hopefully actually try to learn a few lessons before Monke inevitably tries the entire thing again in a few years.
Is it a great plan? Not really, but frankly I think it's a hell of a lot better than anything General Armageddon, General Winter, General Confusion, or General Inept have come up with.
I still don't understand why they haven't ruined the Dnepr bridges yet. Is the plan to keep them for their own use eventually? If they get close, the Ukrainians will just blow them up anyway, so what's the point of leaving them?
Which bridges have they blown in and around Bakhmut now? They just demoed two within the past week didn't they?
>honestly at this point im wondering if literally any of us in this thread could do a better job than russian generals.
Maybe not. Their communications are so shit and compromised the only way the senior officers can figure out what's going on is to go up to drone country and die.
What about the people who live in Bakhmut? Is the city a ghost town now or are they all getting tortured and blown up by Russians?
The people left are waiting for the Russians and refuse to evacuate.
>wanting Russia to destroy your home, steal everything you own, and rape your family
Take a moment to admire the restraint shown towards these traitorous fucks. I doubt I'd have the willpower to resist shooting them in the fucking spine and leaving them to be helped by their "big brothers" destroying the entire town.
what ive heard is most left, still a couple thousand there that dont/cant leave. some of the retards want the russians there even though they've been wrecking the city
That mainly applies to some old boomer soviet era civilians. The smart thing to do would be to leave them to their fate and prepare a better defensive position outside the city where the risk of encirclement is significantly lower.
That said even if there were say 5,000 troops holding position inside/around the city they can still make things difficult for Russia for some time. I don't think they could hold out for nearly as long as Mariupol did, but on the other hand I think Ukraine both is in a much better position to launch a counter attack that could potentially break the (as yet) potential encirclement, and that the potential defenders could likely make things difficult enough for the mud season to really get going.
don't want that craphut anyway
Say, why do you have this video saved on your computer?
What video was that
posted ?I hate being too late
Just porn, one girl being fucked by a black guy outside and she is clearly enjoying it.
keep moving the goal post. pretty soon it'll be
>>omg i can't believe russia hasn't taken kyiv yet.. they're surrounded!!
How soon are we talking, anon? Is it somewhere between one and three Standard Measurements of Time?
>he doesn't know
what are tactical advatanges of expending your entire adult male population holding on to a small town in the donbas?
You're the best seether in PrepHole because it's so easy to recognize your garbage english and same pics you post all the time.
Always get a good laugh.
All 20 mil of them? Damn
>City of Bakhmut surrounded
>Could take it when ever we want
>Garrisoned only by old people and children
>Prigozhin begs Ukraine to withdraw troops from the city
>Days later Bakhmut still in Ukraine hands
>Wagner in lack of men and ammunition
>Prigozhin screaming betrayal by Russian MoD
What are the tactical advantages of expending wave after wave of men attacking a small town in the donbas?
Oh, when Prygozhyn was supposedly in Bakhmut begging Ukraine to withdraw troops from the city he was actually in village of Paraskoviivka ( 48°39'23.01"N, 37°59'48.26"E ), which the Russia announced was captured on February 20
Maybe poisoning Kadyrov was a warning to other military commanders in ukraine. He stopped fighting and went home. And he got whacked.
So it's a message: "Don't even think of coming home until the job is done. Results are expected, and if you come home without them, you will die here just as likely as in ukraine."
That's why Prigozhin is pleading ukies to stop fighting. He knows he's running out of men and ammo, and that he can't withdraw without taking the city or he too will get whacked.
They probably won't take it. There is info from yesterday that Ukrainians are bringing trucks full of gravel to the area and building aditional roads to bahmut.
>https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375
/uhg/ bros what happened to the heckin wholesome race war...
For a long time now I've seen every race of man on both sides of this besides polynesian russians and eskimo ukrainians
https://kyivindependent.com/national/ukrainian-soldiers-in-bakhmut-our-troops-are-not-being-protected
So is the Kiyv Independent a reliable source or isn't it?
That such obvious satire could be taken seriously speaks volumes about the decline this board has experienced.
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1632717764669370368
The defensive operation and further strengthening of Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut will continue.
This decision was made at a meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
So I guess they still think that it's worth holding on to it for at least little while longer. It is a good meatgrinder for mobiks, if nothing else.
no bakhmut?
>So I guess they still think that it's worth holding on to it for at least little while longer. It is a good meatgrinder for mobiks, if nothing else.
It's sucking up a HUGE amount of Russian focus, manpower etc. Yes it's costing Ukraine significantly in terms of some resources, but note how Ukraine has been very careful in what they deploy. It's not all their vehicles, it's troops, artillery (at a safe distance) etc.
Ukraine right now is trying very, very hard to muster enough for a serious mechanized counter thrust somewhere, maybe in the south. So they really don't want to be expending what they need for that holding the line. Having everything concentrated in this one rando little city actually works quite well for them. Trench warfare and static defenses are bloody affairs and eat lots of ammo, but can be made relatively light in terms of attritioning of tanks/IFVs/APCs assuming one side doesn't actually want to push forward, just hold. Also relatively light on fuel for the defending side. If fighting was everywhere across the entire line Ukraine might be forced to spend their counter thrust stuff on fire fighting.
Of course, if Russia quit now Ukraine would have a big thing to trumpet so they get something either way. Russia has once again trapped itself in a retarded situation.
No Lyman
No Kherson
No Kharkiv
No Kyiv
And no Bakhmut
No Soledar
No Zaporizhia
No Luhansk
No Donetsk
No Crimea
No expansion past 2014 borders
>look guyses we did not lose ALL our territory so this means we won
The war isn't over yet, and you're already foaming at the mouth with impotence.
so how spooky is Bakhmut ?
esp given that hardly anyone lives there now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay-behind
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64846666
Oleksandr Marchenko also told the BBC the remaining 4,000 civilians are living in shelters without access to gas, electricity or water.
Mr Marchenko said "not a single building" had remained untouched and that the city is "almost destroyed".
Shit's fucked, yo. And there is still like 4k civvies in there. Probably old people, or people who can not be moved, or just too stubborn to move. Some people just want to die at home.
dam that sucks, its briddy much rip for them unless they escape under the cover of darkness
Oh, if Russians take the city they are utterly fucked. They will be forced into a couple of propaganda pictures, shake hands with russian "liberators" and thank them for "saving them".
And then pretty much the whole population will be raped, killed and/or forcibly moved to siberia or something. Russian convicts have bled so much there that there will undoubtedly be retribution acts against civvies. Torture chambers and such. it will be Bucha all over again.
VGH THE BEATIFVL BLONDE TRADWIVES OF VKRAINE...
WE MVST PROTECT THEM...
>give ukrowhore a moron baby
>watch her cumskin friends go to war and die
>leave the country
god i love africans so much it's unreal
god bless the EU
>chud thread still up
>vatnik cock-slurper screeching about trannies again
chud janny is that you?
>uh uh uh it's a conspiracy uh uh uh
Do your parents a favor and play in traffic.
I bet hohols hold bakhmut just to waste more Wagmorons and thier ammo, so that when they go on a offensive they will face mostly useless mobiks and fewer competent combatants from Wagner
Sad