>Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut

How come more than half was deocuppied then?

Deflection? I'm talking about how you helped me realize that Ukraine is no match for military superpowers like the US as I had previously believed, or they wouldn't be taking so long to kick out the enemy out of their occupied territories. Indeed, only some third-rate post-Soviet shithole would allow a shitty post-Soviet army to occupy their rightful territory for months on end. The Ukrainian military must be very corrupt and poorly equipped.
Was there something else I was supposed to realize?

No need to justify anything to someone like you.

Posted by someone who has never actually dated a woman

Pity, that's the closest you would have gotten to someone wearing a dress.

>ukraine is still occupied nonetheless :^)

so is

https://i.imgur.com/jDy9leA.gif

>more Russian soldiers have died trying to take this one town than American soldiers have died in all post Vietnam conflicts, accidents, and terrorist attacks combined.

>pro russia talking points but i totally don't care about russia
what's one more lie under your belt after all

>ukraine remains occupied
We have found the new cope line. The very neutral, non-Russia loving 4chanmoron will repeat it to soothe the asshurt of backing a shitty horse he thought was le white savior supapowah.
Say the cope, vatnik.

why does the FACT that ukraine is occupied causes so much anguish in you woman?

>Russia can’t even hold its own land
Tell Vyodomyr that this might not be the best hill to die on

From
>"Ruzzia stronk! Will solo all of ze west!"
To
>"We haven't lost all of the ground we claimed would be russia forever! Trust Z plan!"
Shit skins will use mental gymnastics to justify anything.
>i love this cope
More projection.

That's a pretty nasty hit.

Yeah, it's one of the rare Russian thermal drone hits and he's false flagging.

i know they're retarded but russia doesn't have to break through, they only have to stick around, it's ukraine that's got to win to retake its territories

>war of attrition isn't a viable strategy.
How so? You think NATO will start shipping men to Ukraine as well?

Ukraine declared general mobilization at the start of the war. They've had more available manpower for most of the war and the Russians have been losing more men than them. So Russia is on track to run of men first and endlessly conscripting waves of hundreds of thousands of men to die isn't politically viable in the long term. Consider wars like Vietnam and Korea, the defenders took massive casualties and America enjoyed a massive KD ratio and functional unlimited supplies and resources and they still had to throw in the towel.

>spam empty phrase
>get called out and made fun of
>spam U mad XD to any reply while spamming the same empty phrase
But nothing will stop the FACT that in meantime ukraine remains occupied right comrade retard? Nobody can take that away from you.

I'm sure it is, Russians are animals but they know now that the occupation is just temporary and that probably makes it easier to live with while its here

>can't even take more than 17% of the first

The area they conquered is bigger than many European countries already.

>we never needed 17% of our territory, and it should be more anyways
we're winning sisters

>make statement about ukraine
>deflects to huuurrr but russia le suck
it's weird indeed how you can't discuss ukraine without deflecting to russia
almost as if acknowledging being occupied isn't winning at all and you have to PrepHoleope by reminding yourself russia is shit and also losing

>deflects to "russia has underachieved massively" as a counter to the simplest and most undeniable fact that ukraine is occupied
you are a coping retard

you're a pathetic excuse of a human

Ukraine was demilitarized?

>lmao bro your owning that other kind of gay (but not my particular brand of delusional gayry even though they’re identical)
Upvote!

don't throw stones in a glass house, this anon is just mocking you because your narrative at the beginning of the war was so thorougly uprooted that you're still struggling to cope with the fact that you still have to find a way to stay positive about russia somehow after all that has transpired.

indeed, and how pleasantly surprised i was that russia's massive underperformance swung the war in ukraine's favor. you, being a russian cumguzzler however, likely had a rather rude awakening, that's what i keep referring to, that's what all of this is.

i know you are, but what am i?

ukraine is occupied

>we totally weren't gloating about ukraine falling in 48 hours before things went down, we're actually dissapointed you didn't completely rip russia a new one harder.
it doesn't work the other way around retard, russia is not the underdog, they're supposed to be a superpower remember? expectations were and are on russia, not ukraine. that's a F A C T 🙂

>ukraine is losing haha, you haven't COMPLETELY beaten the shit out of them yet, they still have a few unbruised LOL get REKT
russia is the agressor, it was their job to take the whole country, they failed, therefore, ukraine has already won by surviving, the question now is how much harder they can win.
nobody cares about your retarded definition of victory, you use it because you'd have nothing left to keep you sane if you didn't, you'd have absolutely nothing to excuse in your mind the abhorrent failure of russia in this war. your little brain would shatter and you'd fucking have a nice day. for that reason, i excuse your retardation, i get that it's hard to change your mind about things you've believed your entire life.

In March 2022, at the peak of Russian occupation, they controlled roughly 160,000 square km of Ukie territory, including what they already had from 2014, by November the Ukies had retaken 70,000 square km of territory. If western arms make absolutely no difference to their offensive capability, Ukraine would still de-occupy their entire de jure territory by the end of 2024. Sabre rattling about how Ukraine is occupied is irrelevant when it’s been proven on the field that complete liberation of 2014 held territory is a realistic goal, especially considering that it was a pipe dream before the start of the three day special military operation

>Russia has spent a year stuck on the tutorial level

"lost"
lmao i remember them losing a larger percentage than that vatmoron, what happened since then?

>yes my house got bombed, my land got taken, but i'm glad it was the supposedly second army in the world
nobody thinks like that, that is cope and deflection

i dont care about russia becoming a pariah i care about ukraine being occupied
now tell me again how that doesn't matter because russia underachieved and retreated a lot

Invade one to the poorest European nations and get fucking stopped just a few Kilometers in.

You are a joke of a nation and your corpse will be picked clean by China. No one is scared of you anymore and you now have the economic leverage of Nigeria and just like them most of the world doesn't care.

>he's so completely broken he even responds with the same phrase
again, very implessive, we're all bowing down to mighty russia for failing to occupy more than 18% of the country, good on you for telling us based retard.

man you're so empathetic bro, i bet you care a lot about ukraine, you seem to love them so much that you constantly worry for them and their occupied regions, and yet, at the same time you also gloat about it, as if you're happy?

>russia isn't going to tolerate
they'll have to, because they're not strong enough to prevent it

>doing fine
lmao, they're stuck in a meatgrinder with no way to win

they traded kherson and kharkiv for soledar, that's called losing.

>theyre doing just fine now.

You are so far behind the civilized world that fucking AFRICA is passing you by.

>America didn't tolerate Cuba
This isn't the 60's fuck face missiles don't need to be parked right on the boarder any more they are intercontinental.

If this was the trigger for the war then why not invade the nordic countries? They are closer to Banan man and are joining right now.

Your argument is basically
>WAAAAA let us rape our little brother
>no fair you pick his side let me rape him
>Why you want to defend yourself from rape by joining club
>you are now threat!

You have shown the world you are a mob run joke of a country that rightly most of the world hates you.

>Russia isn't going to tolerate
Whatever the west wants it gets. Russia will take it like a good boy and Russia will say 'thank you' afterwards.

i'm not much of a fanboy though, before this war i didn't care about ukraine and right now i mostly care about them to the extent of their warkino and their decimation of russia. i hope the best for them because they don't seem like subhumans and i like cheering for the underdog. why would you be so autistically mad about that, you git?

Stop (you)ing yourself in public line this you degenerate retard

>t subhuman gay
You’re not even human. Stop posting your delusions online and have a nice day.

So was afghanistan, who won?

yes and nobody denies this...
...
...
now what?

Everyone has accepted it, but Russia is still losing.

You don't have an argument

But you're not trying to have a conversation. You're not making any arguments in relation to what you're saying and you're dismissing any attempts to engage with it
Simply saying "Russia is occupying part of Ukraine" is not a conversation starter

a conversation can only be had if we first acknowledge the same reality. you refuse by way of deflection because you don't want a conversation, you want cheerleading fanboys to yell what you want to hear and get into a shouting contest with the mythical villainous vatnig shill

great, now that we inhabit the same reality we can have a conversation.
that's hardly an enviable position you'd have to admit, ukraine faces many challenges and is still fighting from a position of weakness.
how do you think ukraine can improve the current situation?
they've been launching long range missiles or drones at russian's ammo depot shaping the field in a way reminiscent of the first counteroffensive. you reckon we're in for a rerun?

pro tip the zh is a transliteration for a french j sound
should be easier to remember zaporijya
my biggest doubt for the past several months has been wether ukraine can launch a successful attack at this point, russians have had a year to dug in, luckily for us they've been immolating themselves kinda like they did in summer, but by all looks ukraine has been taking heavy casualties as well, it's impossible to say now whether that'll hamper future operations.
i'm also worried about the command that seems to fall back to their soviet way to easily.
the situation is not easy one bit, and i don't like the idea of having to rely on russians being retards

so you think the halt to the offensive was the mud alone?
i think so for the most part, but there's a chance ukraine hit a roadblock

definetly, i'm not saying it's the only reason, i'm just saying that ukraine so far has generally been pretty nervous about attacking unless the conditions are just right, and if there is going to be a counteroffensive they will wait until truly stable wheather arrives. hell they refused to bumrush kherson even after it was clear that the russians were gonna evacuate, mostly fearing losing disproportionate losses in rearguard actions and rushing through possible boobytraps. honestly for the exact same reason i don't see wagner and the russian regulars rushing through bahkmut even as ukraine is evacuating it's troops from there.
i'm mostly curious to see how the well the new armoured vehicles they're getting will be arranged. if they do a shit job at that they could waste a lot of potential.

realistically it probably will one way or another. it depends though, i can see how some countries might just continue support on their own under the radar, keep in mind they don't really HAVE to inform the public with all the precise details. kinda like how the war in afghanistan just kinda kept going and we all forgot about it dispite it still being funded. different countries will probably have different cutoff points where they might feel sending aid is no longer worth it, america probably having the highest cutoff point because they already support a larger MIC and stand to lose less by doing so.

I doubt defensive aid would ever get cut off, but if the internet gets flooded with videos of challengers and leopards doing a lemming rush through a minefield then there probably won't be a second batch. If they make western tanks look good, on the other hand, the next batch will be big.

>i highly doubt western support will continue at this level
That's not how it works. Most of the stuff that's been pledged hasn't materialized yet. Western aid will continue to roll into Ukraine for quite some time even if for some reason all western nations collectively decide that they'll not provide any further aid.

I feel sorry for you guys, I really do. It must be really hard to live in a world of opinion and not facts.
Then again, you could also be a really bored (you) farmer whose just here to harvest his crops.
That's the trouble with 4chanacks. They have their heads so far up their arses that everything they say comes with an echo that lasts a good minute or so.

>says discuss war objectively
>just wants to suck Russian dick because he thinks it will help his third world shithole overcome western imperialism such his low iq and effeminate tendencies
Quickest way to help yourself is commit suicide.

he isn't close you retard, nobody here denies that ukraine is partially occupied, we just don't see how this is supposed to be a mindnumbing revalation in the way it was for you. this war is in context between to countries, you can't pretend that ukraine being partially occupied happens in isolation from russia failing to do more. please wipe the cum off your face and reboot yourself you massive homo.

>w-well you won't o-openly deny-
i literally just told you that ukraine is occupied, please enlighten me how that was a deflection, are you braindamaged or something?
>from which a conversation can be had
that one is being had right now, it's about how pathetic that fundamental fact is considering the context. that's the conversation you're gonna be forced to have because that's the only one that's worth having lmao.

>i'm not deflecting because i only accept a narrow part of reality, whereas you care about the wider reality surrounding it
oh boy i sure am coping and deflecting right now.

So by your logic Russia is winning until they control 0.0% of the Ukrainian territory? Using captured territory as a measure of success makes no sense

there's no need to attach all that cope at the end of that statement (i'll overlook the projections), ukraine is occupied, you don't have to make excuses

there are no excuses, ukraine is partially occupied and it's pretty sad you keep hanging onto this for moral support, like a little therapy pillow, no amount of projecting your own issues onto others will change that.

Here’s an objective fact for you, Russia has lost half the territory it has taken since the start of the war

hey man what are you deflecting for you little PrepHoleoper? can't you just accept the simple fact that russia has lost half of it's occupied territory? it's okay if you can't we just can't have a conversation with you constantly deflecting and not accepting the facts.

right because nuance is difficult for a subhumanoid like yourself.
fact: you're a gay
context: you didn't choose to be because you were probably dropped on your head as a child
see how the context is important? if i only knew the fundamental fact i'd just call you a gay and bully you, but the fact that you didn't choose this life of retardation causes me to feel pity for you. you're a creature of circumstance, so i will feel bad for you instead.
now you try, try to come up with a fundamental fact and then contextualize it, i know you can do it, i believe in you!

>haha stupid red pests
>glorious third reich still holds some of russia
>it doesn’t matter that we couldn’t hold onto Stalingrad or take moscow
>the Soviet Union is still partly occupied
>that means we’re winning!

western europe, i ain't hiding

>So Russia is on track to run of men first

This board is the most entertaining place on the Internet by far

Drone infantry.

30+ years off, but with Russias rate of advance that isn't a problem.

>ukraine's occupation
He actually fucking said it.