>russia lost 4 planes in a single day

Is the Russian Air Force finally starting to show up in greater force out of desperation, or are the Gepard and MANPADS just that damn good?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't at least one fired down by ruskies themselves again, and one fell down on its own without external help?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There were 2. One su-25 we've seen on a video and one su-34 of which there's a crash site photo. Both in Crimea. But that was a couple days ago. Yesterday they lost 3 su-24 and 1 su-25. Probably trying to stop the offensive on lyman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      descended back to earth on their own power

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's called
        >Controlled flight into terrain

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those losses though. Its like someone wiped out the entire french or german armies equipment. It does not really matter what happens next. Russia is over.You have to remember the stuff they lost is their best stuff

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The worst thing IMO is that their industrial capacity is beyond turbo fucked even before all the sanctions and shipping restrictions. Making Armata tanks when everything was relatively fine and dandy proved too much with there only being a little over a dozen or so (combat capability pending), nevermind something much more complex like aircraft. Those losses aren’t just bad in the short term but are literally irreplaceable. I think thats the main reason why the Russian air force has been so absent for much of the war, since they have absolutely no qualms whatsoever of sending everyone else blindly charging like its WW1, and lord only knows how shit of a state many of those 30-40 year old frames are if tanks can’t even get basic maintenance on a large scale done.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It boggles my mind how they regressed so fast. Industrialization was the one legacy that the Soviet Union left them and it's disappeared to the point where they can't even build 30 year old Soviet designs in any quantity.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Quite the tragedy actually. They could've acted like norway (Government Pension Fund of Norway) and created a rather prosperous nation for all its people. Instead they chose to become a broken down gas station.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Simple, all of that relied on one central authority (the Soviets) to function. You ever wonder why for centuries the aftermath of Rome went the way it did? It was because all of Roman society and the millions of miles it encompassed was a part of one central authority within Rome that was just gone, and everyone within the territory of the empire were essentially left to fend for themselves and pick up the pieces. Imagine today if DC and all the central authorities throughout the states within the US just blipped from existence for no discernable reason one day, it would almost certainly devolve into immediate chaos as everything shuts down and scarcities skyrocket overnight because there’s no system moving things around orderly and nobody to man them. In Russias case much of the raw materials came from regions like Central Asia that were basically strip mined and heavily polluted en masse for it, and its all made much worse from how ludicrously far behind they were in computer technology. Russia itself doesn’t really have much of actual value besides its gas, all of the things it needed for actual industry largely came from the rest of the USSR, both materials and especially people. Russia always depended heavily on everyone around it to reach the heights it did, and what you see today is what they are like when truly left for themselves. Its a kleptocracy to the core and has been for centuries.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I strongly disagree with your analogy, because the US is nowhere near that hyper-centralized. If the feds disappeared one day it'd still lead to huge panic and an economic collapse, but at least some of the state governments would be able to take over running things.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The US relies on fleets of trucks and rails to move food and other highly important things around anon, its why the recent rail strike had people freaking the fuck out. Centralization isn’t just pencil pushing clowns being wannabe dictators.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          to some extent it was sort of a continuation of the trends already present in the soviet union before the collapse. The later stages of the soviet economy relied heavily on oil and natural resources to pay for their army and an economy reliant on selling resources tends to be bad for the industrial sector for many reasons(look up dutch disease) and these trends have only continued under putin. quite understandably too because controlling a few key resources is a very good deal for an authoritarian state because the people you absolutely need to keep happy are easily bought off from your massive profits instead of these profits being much more spread out in the larger economy in when its more diverse.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aside from what the others said, the USSR was heavily reliant on the other union countries for resources and manpower, turning these into money and value. When it was only russia the money just wasn't there to keep shit running and everyone with any special skill went abroad for work. That's how best korea got its nukes incidentally, soviet expat nuclear scientists.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dutch disease, that's it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            From the oil and gas?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yep, simply put there's no incentive to invest in infrastructure or any industry that isn't related to pumping out gas and oil. the elite is too busy with prestige projects or purchasing luxury abroad, while the common people eat shit.
              all the oil extracting arab morons have the same problem. some of the most prestigous building projects are being built while most places don't have running water or electricity.
              burj khalifa doesn't have a sewage system, there are special trucks that have to remove all the shit from that tower constantly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They’re quite literally in a post apocalyptic Mad Max meets Frozen hellscape. Their armed forces are a cargo cult that storms out from the Siberian wasteland armed with the smoke belching rusted hulks left to them by
          their ancestors from the ‘before time.’

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what happens when your economy shrinks 5x

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I unironically think we should STEAL the Armata plans and help Ukraine build many of them.

        Imagine the humiliation Russians would feel, lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can recover as a Chinese vassal. I'm starting to think they got played by Xi, fed a line of shit and allowed to destroy themselves do the PRC could gain control of Central Asia and Russia itself. It was never a smart long term play for the Russians to hitch their wagon to the Chinese horse.

      Now they're looking at losing everything, pulling their beat to shit armor out of storage to be sent directly to Chinese workshops to get Chinese upgrades to make them feasible. Russia's going to end up having to transfer whatever technology they have on hand to the Chinese at this rate... And all the fucking idiots had to do was just take some oil wealth, use it to develop their own fucking country and not invade their neighbors. If they did that, they'd have ended up a great power naturally by the bounty of their God damn natural resources and (neglected) industry that they could have revitalized. But Vlad had to have small man syndrome and try to show the world that his height didn't matter.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were losing similar numbers in march before they had to scale down. I guess monkey is demanding results.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    throwing away jets and pilots like used condoms

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Used condoms would have more experience than some Russian pilots. They aren't known for getting a lot of training. They also aren't trained on large scale coordinated offenses. Just running in pairs. Hence why Russia could never into SEAD.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The ELITE pilots get to train 80-90 hours in pairs according to a report by RUSI earlier in March, so run of the mill guys get probably less. One of the earliest pilots downed was an overweight guy who would have been fired in any decent military.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we had a better breakdown on the troop losses (capture/kill/desertion/wounded). I'm willing to bet the real number's probably ~70-80% of that, but that's still horrendous given Russia sent in what, like 195k initially and the Republics only had 45k?

    How much of that is DPR/LPR? How many reinforcements have both sides had? Did the 60k reinforcements ever get there?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The longer this war goes on, the more I've come to see the Ru losses listed on minusrus as being increasingly ballpark-accurate, if not an undercount.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >believing ukrainian sources

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      russian sources.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Russian Air Force finally starting to show up in greater force out of desperation
    Good, every plane Putin loses is gone for good, irreplaceable

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Good, every plane Putin loses is gone for good, irreplaceable
      Anon, its not just the planes that are irreplaceable for Russia.

      Sleep comfy at night with the knowledge that every day that passes in this "special military operation" is the strongest that Russia will ever again be for the remainder of our lives.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >believing hohol propagnada

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so how many sorties a day does Putin fly average?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so how many sorties a day does Putin fly average?
        None comrade.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >laughing at more Russian dogshit from glavset cocksuckers

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe hohol propaganda, Izium is still under Russian control and there's no Kherson offensive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile the Great Leader is planning his feint out of Moscow into the Ural bunkers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't know russia admitted the loss

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gepards wouldn't be that amazing in a modern conflict between first world countries but since the Russians lack SEAD/DEAD capabilities they fly low and slow which ironically enough puts them in range of AAA like the Gepard and ZU-23.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They lost an SU-30 to a fucking ZU-23. The biggest shitbox of all AA guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > 2022nd year of our lord
      > downing a modern jet fighter/bomb with a manual AA cannon
      Hilarious, if true. They should just hand out fliegerfausts to everyone at this rate of Russian pilot retardation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even then the idea of Russia invading both coasts from their frozen wasteland was out of place, now it's vatnik fantasy territory.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/OUJkt90.jpg

          > 2022nd year of our lord
          > downing a modern jet fighter/bomb with a manual AA cannon
          Hilarious, if true. They should just hand out fliegerfausts to everyone at this rate of Russian pilot retardation.

          man i always loved those scenarios of america being invaded by commies or some other seemingly superior force. be it bf2, modern warfare, world in conflict or red dawn, shit was absolute kino. now it's even more laughably inplausible and games and movies will turn to the same old (sand)morons, chinks and deep state spooks as the bad guys...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even in World in Conflict the Russians barely made it out of Seattle

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They can have systems on them for aiming.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At the start of this war they were claiming that Ukraine was just the start. Poland, Baltics, Moldavia etc would've been next. I guess they could not even take North Korea. Zombie empire.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, if Ukraine had fallen like planned that might theoretically have been possible.
      Russia has tradition of using ukrainians as massed infantry, so if ukraine had fallen then russia could have send millions of forcibly conscripted ukies as a flood of flesh against the next target on the line.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so if ukraine had fallen then russia could have send millions of forcibly conscripted ukies as a flood of flesh against the next target on the line.
        Theoretically they coul, but why would the ukrainians legitimately fight for russia? For what reason? would the insurgency be worth it? Is russia going to hold millions of people hostage? I'm not even sure the donbabweans would be willing to fight.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but why would the ukrainians legitimately fight for russia
          That's the thing. Russia originally made a bet that ukrainians were "misled russians" and would do as told. That's a part of "ukraine had fallen as planned".
          Of course that was proven bullshit during the first week of the war, but if Russia had actually been right then there could have been serious trouble for the next country russia decides invade.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought they just pretended to think this way. Did russian officials really think ukrainians were just misled? How can you be this disillusioned

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If there is one thing russians are good at, it is denying the reality. This goes all the way to the top.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at the state of Japan after ww2 to now. Japan has an excuse of being powerful before the war at least but then look at South Korea which had a blasted war torn Ghana tier economy at the height of the Soviet Unions power. Hell Vietnam is unfucking itself pretty well, theres just something about Russia man

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well they had an example of donbabwe and crimea after all, so it wasn't entirely baseless.
              And to be honest it could actually work, as most of the people are apathic anyway, they would need just to clear few turbo nationalists and everyone else would just roll with it. Only problem here is that it was russia who tried to do it. It just doesn't matter at this point how much ukie likes or dislikes ukraine, because russia is an obviously worse alternative, only brainrotted, delusioned, malfunctioned retards would consider taking russia over ukraine, that's just how much infamous piece of a shithole russia was. I think ukies unironically would just roll over without much of a resistance if it was at least something like a poland instead of russia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True that. If it was Poland who tried to conquer Ukraine, we would just surrender en masse(especially western ukrainians) and people would be happy(aside from small number of nationalists).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Weren't there separatist units from Donetsk refusing to be deployed next door in Luhansk, or vice versa? How would that have worked?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's much easier to press men from a subjugated nation into service. Resistance is piecemeal and more easily suppressed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Look at afganistan. The US tried to build an army out of the occupied population, and all they did is drag their feet and dissappear before the bullets started flying.

            You'd really only get useful troops out of true believers, everyone else that you force into a uniform is a best a liability or at worst actively sabotaging efforts

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I guess they could not even take North Korea.
      russia v north korea 20221 would have been a great game very even balance, best korea still has raw number in obsolete artillery and malnourished men in carboard tanks and Russian troops still don't care and just want to stay alive because their BTG logistics officer sold all their gas masks on ebay. Could go either way

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Russian Air Force finally starting to show up in greater force out of desperation,
    In desperation to stop Ukraine advance they were told to go and "fight in the mud", fight for real instead of pretending. Do actual air strikes instead of loft FFAR fires from safe distance. Tactics change. Of course it's more dangerous and you see immediate spike in losses.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia's going to be a husk after this. Apart from muh nooks they have nothing. Compare China vs Russia over the last 30 years and it's really remarkable how badly they fucked up.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any information on Ukranian losses? Or are we not allowed to ask?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can figure that out from oryx. Are you stupid or something?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weird how it never seems to get posted here if it's so readily available. What are the neo/k/ons hiding?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oryx has been busy to the point of committing neck rope what with how much Russian equipment has been ABANDOOONED in the last week or so.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think Ukrainian losses are being exaggerated upwards or downwards? I've heard vatmorons claim both.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia tanks losses Oryx
            Tanks (1122)
            ukraine tanks losses Oryx
            Tanks 263
            so 263/1122
            x 100/1 = 23.44% of Russian losses
            So:
            12,622 men
            514 tanks
            1076 APCs
            303 artillery pieces

            I'm probably being unfair to Ukraine there, it is probably slightly lower because for ,most of the action they have defenders advantage and let's face it Russia has displayed gross incompetence up north and on many other occasions. This is about by the way the numbers that Ukraine have said it has lost, so Ukraine is very honest. Russia on the other hand is a compulsive liar on drugs when it comes to anything from boats being sunk to digging radioactive holes, to feints etc etc and the classic 'we have no plans to invade'

            Samefag as calculated. The Ukrainians have been honest from the outset about both their own losses and teh Russian losses and we can see that in effect by the obsolete equipment Russia has been forced to move up as replacements. Russia has at present about 1000 somewhat functional modern tanks left to defend the entire nation. Ukraine has about the same or more probably a few hundred more. That's right. Ukraine has more running tanks than Russia. You read it here first.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just did post it but the fact is you have just proved /chig/ is retarded and can't into basic math, can't into basic intelligence but also that Ukraine has been honest about its losses. Russia has made no meaningful dent on Ukraine's military capacity at all, especially given the new equipment deliveries and the influx of domestic volunteers and combat veteran foreign volunteers. Russia is struggling for recruits. Why don't you go fight and die for putin? After all your presence on the internets just makes Russia look even crappier than it is, which is pretty crappy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia tanks losses Oryx
        Tanks (1122)
        ukraine tanks losses Oryx
        Tanks 263
        so 263/1122
        x 100/1 = 23.44% of Russian losses
        So:
        12,622 men
        514 tanks
        1076 APCs
        303 artillery pieces

        I'm probably being unfair to Ukraine there, it is probably slightly lower because for ,most of the action they have defenders advantage and let's face it Russia has displayed gross incompetence up north and on many other occasions. This is about by the way the numbers that Ukraine have said it has lost, so Ukraine is very honest. Russia on the other hand is a compulsive liar on drugs when it comes to anything from boats being sunk to digging radioactive holes, to feints etc etc and the classic 'we have no plans to invade'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC Russia and Ukraine are basically equal in terms of losses, except Ukraine has western supplies of training and arms and Russia's stockpile is so low they're asking Iran and the Norks for assistance and sending in the felons.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IIRC Russia and Ukraine are basically equal in terms of losse
        Completely wrong. Ukraines losses are less than 1.4 of Russian losses. There is nothing strange in that at all. They are the defender and the attacker has not played well. Are you very new to military tactics and strategy and this board? Why not lurk mor.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Completely wrong. Ukraines losses are less than 1/4 of Russian losses.

          Russia tanks losses Oryx
          Tanks (1122)
          ukraine tanks losses Oryx
          Tanks 263
          so 263/1122
          x 100/1 = 23.44% of Russian losses
          So:
          12,622 men
          514 tanks
          1076 APCs
          303 artillery pieces

          I'm probably being unfair to Ukraine there, it is probably slightly lower because for ,most of the action they have defenders advantage and let's face it Russia has displayed gross incompetence up north and on many other occasions. This is about by the way the numbers that Ukraine have said it has lost, so Ukraine is very honest. Russia on the other hand is a compulsive liar on drugs when it comes to anything from boats being sunk to digging radioactive holes, to feints etc etc and the classic 'we have no plans to invade'

          >23.44% of Russian losses
          Welcome to PrepHole. A place 40 IQ points ahead of /chug/ and with a massive degree of weapons and tactics autism. We also hate vatniks because they lie *all the fucking time*. This makes us reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Orxy has them. Ukrainian losses are typically about half of Russian losses, though they have a lot less stuff even though they capture mountains of abandooned Russian junk and get Western stuff as well. However during/in the aftermath of Kharkiv it was more like a 5-1 loss ratio.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Or are we not allowed to ask?
      I think you know the answer to that. PrepHole is a pro-Ukrainian board and any suggestion that Ukraine might have suffered any losses will be met with screeching.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Orks don't like flying they rather be on their feet OP. That's why the flyboyz die so often.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any proofs?
    to be clear:
    >globohomo infographic is NOT proof
    >globohomo twatterpost is NOT proof
    >western propaganda is NOT proof

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
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      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >western

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      Anonymous
  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    53,000 troops lost has to approximate a good 1/3-1/2 of their actual combat forces. Even in Russia, most of the ass is adipose tissue. Ouuuuuuuuch. Russia literally couldn't conventionally defend itself against invasion by Turkey, at this point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      53k with 1:3 kia:wia
      200k+ casualties
      Before war Russia had about 400k contract soldiers
      Of course not every wounded is irreversible and not every casualty came from pre war contract soldiers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        280,000 not 400,000

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          280k ground forces, but they have also deployed VDV, naval infantry and started to press soldiers from missile forces etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "loss" doesn't necessarily mean "death"

        Capture, wound, and desertion would also potentially be counted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No the 53.850 is killed anon POWS etc is in addition see

          Russian ground forces pre invasion were about 280,000. They are down about 210,000 all causes. Remember combat deaths do not include wounded desertions, pows, irradiated, fratricide (shot by own troops or Chechens on purpose), friendly fire (shot by own troops or Chechens by accident), accidents (crate fell on head, rotor detached from helicopter) etc etc. I could discuss my reports from teh Russian medical system but hey I don't want to depress any Russian readers. its ogre grim. So Russians have about 80,000 contract p[professional ground forces left and the best are dead, however many of these will actually and obviously be logistics, administrative etc etc (tail as opposed to teeth). Russia is absolutely fucked. And we know they are playing recruitments adverts on tannoys in teh Russian regions and going to extraordinary lengths to try and recruit even from prisons, confirming this. This morning on PrepHole we were watching wager group try and recruit from a prison for example. Russia is a military husk. The Ukranians do say that they have out of their supposed million billion reserve tanks actually a couple fo thousand that may clean up( we have seen some of these odd balls in the field already) the Russians just don't seem to be doing a great job, the culture of lying about filled quotas etc has never gone away. Tanks with no engines are being used by Russia for static defense rather than got running properly. It may well be Russia just does not have the people to get them running or the facilities and parts, the Russia defense industry is a black hole of corruption and fraud and has been for decades.
          >OK then gay how long until Russia is actually reduced to pointy sticks
          Realistically? About 12 months until they are actually using pointy sticks but I doubt they will last that long. They may last until spring 23 or get overtaken by a domestic revolution or coup because being Russian this winter is going to really really really suck.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No the 53.850 is killed anon POWS etc is in addition see

            Russian ground forces pre invasion were about 280,000. They are down about 210,000 all causes. Remember combat deaths do not include wounded desertions, pows, irradiated, fratricide (shot by own troops or Chechens on purpose), friendly fire (shot by own troops or Chechens by accident), accidents (crate fell on head, rotor detached from helicopter) etc etc. I could discuss my reports from teh Russian medical system but hey I don't want to depress any Russian readers. its ogre grim. So Russians have about 80,000 contract p[professional ground forces left and the best are dead, however many of these will actually and obviously be logistics, administrative etc etc (tail as opposed to teeth). Russia is absolutely fucked. And we know they are playing recruitments adverts on tannoys in teh Russian regions and going to extraordinary lengths to try and recruit even from prisons, confirming this. This morning on PrepHole we were watching wager group try and recruit from a prison for example. Russia is a military husk. The Ukranians do say that they have out of their supposed million billion reserve tanks actually a couple fo thousand that may clean up( we have seen some of these odd balls in the field already) the Russians just don't seem to be doing a great job, the culture of lying about filled quotas etc has never gone away. Tanks with no engines are being used by Russia for static defense rather than got running properly. It may well be Russia just does not have the people to get them running or the facilities and parts, the Russia defense industry is a black hole of corruption and fraud and has been for decades.
            >OK then gay how long until Russia is actually reduced to pointy sticks
            Realistically? About 12 months until they are actually using pointy sticks but I doubt they will last that long. They may last until spring 23 or get overtaken by a domestic revolution or coup because being Russian this winter is going to really really really suck.

            Is talking out of his ass cause he's claiming deaths outnumber wounded/captured/deserted combined. Which is fucking nonsense crazy town. No military conflict works like that unless one side gets fucking WMD'd or is manned by unflinching robots, which fuck no the Russians aren't.

            Don't believe everything you read on PrepHole and apply some basic fucking critical thinking. I could buy that Russians have lost 70k men, but that motherfucker's full of shit if he's saying they've lost 70k AND the 53k is deaths.

            Fuck you for believing him and for wasting my time pointing him out to me.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They have lost 216,400+
              Do keep up

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russian ground forces pre invasion were about 280,000. They are down about 210,000 all causes. Remember combat deaths do not include wounded desertions, pows, irradiated, fratricide (shot by own troops or Chechens on purpose), friendly fire (shot by own troops or Chechens by accident), accidents (crate fell on head, rotor detached from helicopter) etc etc. I could discuss my reports from teh Russian medical system but hey I don't want to depress any Russian readers. its ogre grim. So Russians have about 80,000 contract p[professional ground forces left and the best are dead, however many of these will actually and obviously be logistics, administrative etc etc (tail as opposed to teeth). Russia is absolutely fucked. And we know they are playing recruitments adverts on tannoys in teh Russian regions and going to extraordinary lengths to try and recruit even from prisons, confirming this. This morning on PrepHole we were watching wager group try and recruit from a prison for example. Russia is a military husk. The Ukranians do say that they have out of their supposed million billion reserve tanks actually a couple fo thousand that may clean up( we have seen some of these odd balls in the field already) the Russians just don't seem to be doing a great job, the culture of lying about filled quotas etc has never gone away. Tanks with no engines are being used by Russia for static defense rather than got running properly. It may well be Russia just does not have the people to get them running or the facilities and parts, the Russia defense industry is a black hole of corruption and fraud and has been for decades.
              >OK then gay how long until Russia is actually reduced to pointy sticks
              Realistically? About 12 months until they are actually using pointy sticks but I doubt they will last that long. They may last until spring 23 or get overtaken by a domestic revolution or coup because being Russian this winter is going to really really really suck.

              >. They are down about 210,000 all causes.

              Can u read?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, your reading comprehension reps...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They have lost 216,400+
                Do keep up

                [...]
                >. They are down about 210,000 all causes.

                Can u read?

                I took that as they are down (to) about 210,000 (from) all causes.

                Since
                1. They say the Russians have about 80k contract professional forces left and that's hardly all they've got.
                B. Also 280k-210k=70k<80k
                III. Also Russia hasn't lost over 200k fucking soldiers you fucking lunatics.

                Stop believing bullshit. They wouldn't even have a front line if that were true. Ukraine would be rolling to the border in all directions. With as doomstacked as Kherson is, Ukraine would have an overwhelming force advantage everywhere else.

                STOP BELIEVING RANDOM BULLSHIT ON PrepHole.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also Russia hasn't lost over 200k fucking soldiers you fucking lunatics.
                No, they didn't, as out of 150k wia and even with russian shitty field medicine there wouldn't be more than 50k unrecoverable, though as we know from many and many more reports russians often use wia evac as a way to get out of combat theatre and sign a refusal to come back, as without mobilization inact they couldn't even be forced if they not already deployed, so those loses still can be counted majorly.

                >They wouldn't even have a front line if that were true. Ukraine would be rolling to the border in all directions.
                Nah, numbers actually somewhat add up. Iirc there was something about regrouping and injecting ~30k additional forces into battle somewhere in late spring - early summer, and they also been constantly recruting "volunteers" to cover initial loses, plus they had and still have sizeable number of donbabwe forces, which were mobilized in several waves already during this war, there were talks that they would need to get women for the next wave, I heard something about ~50k total I think? Not sure about that one honestly, looks like no one is actually sure about them at this point. And they also been redeploying their mercs from all around the world plus intensely hiring new ones through lies and riches. We already could tell a month ago that they don't have enough people for offensives anymore, and as situation showed up to be after "Kharkiv regrouping" russians at the moment have exactly enough men to build first line of defence, but they alredy have severe lack for second-third, which means frontline collapses after the single breakthrough. Not great, not terrible. But believable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Iirc there was something about regrouping and injecting ~30k additional forces into battle somewhere in late spring - early summer
                It was 60k in addition to the 195k they invaded with and the 45k DPR/LPR started with for a grand total of fucking 300k. Russia hasn't announced another major reinforcement since the 60k and DPR/LPR conscription would have only replaced a few thousands at most. They've been scraping the bottom of the barrel.
                >And they also been redeploying their mercs from all around the world
                Wagner's like 8k and they were the bulk of the deployed mercs. Russia's also failed to accrue many foreign volunteers. And Wagner's been fucking shredded, btw. They took severe losses in this war.

                If Russia had lost over 200k. They would be operating at about 100k forces. That is less than fucking half what they fucking started with and most of it would be trapped in Kherson. Ukraine would be walking all fucking over them.

                It isn't fucking believable. It's fucking fantasy. Ukraine's winning handily, but don't spout this sort of insane bullshit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If Russia had lost over 200k.
                As I said, russia didn't lost 200k, they lost at worst 100k in total with unrecoverable losses. And they possibly getting tens of thousands of refusniks, but still far from 200k.
                >Russia hasn't announced another major reinforcement
                They been ejecting reinforcements constantly all this times, little by little but still with with significant numbers accumulated. Plus they actually also did the major reinforcement, 3rd Army Corps formed recently, about ~10k personell (from 15k originally planed) so you wrong here.
                >Wagner's like 8k and they were the bulk of the deployed mercs.
                Reports on recruting just from prisons say numbers go well into thousands, and that's not even their main recruting method. As it gets funded directly from monke's pocket you can't expect them to run out of money any time soon, only question here is do they expand as fast as they die.
                >Ukraine would be walking all fucking over them.
                And how much do you think Ukraine has? Last time they announced they had 700k over all of paramilitary structure, aiming for 1kk total. Even if 2/3 of it are any kind of heavy infantry, and we know they are not, bulk of ukie forces consists out of TDF, which are super light-light infantry depending on exact unit, meaning they aren't appropriate for offensive operations. But even if we assume they were, that would mean Ukraine has 450k-600k actually battle ready forces, from which they have to allocate for internal security, guard for all of possible frontline including Belorus and Moldova, and plus reserves for all of them at any given time. So even if we assume that all of that takes only half of them, and it for sure takes even more, that would mean ukies at absolute best fairy tale scenario have 200k-300k ready for active frontline action, which is 2x of russian numbers at best and just a parity at the worst. It is nowhere enough to come crushing down on all fronts and yet we still see significant results coming out of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As I said, russia didn't lost 200k
                Then fuck off. That was what I was bitching about.
                >they lost at worst 100k in total with unrecoverable losses.
                At worst? They've lost at best 82k unrecoverable losses. I think you're being optimistic for their chances now. And you've shifted the goalposts by a mile now that I've called you out on nonsense.

                Also 2x parity would be enough to break the lines. Cause you can turn it the sort of 8:1 spearhead that broke Izyum by taking away from 6/7 places in the lines to concentrate on points for the 7th. Any significant parity dominance can be leveraged like that as long as your remaining troops can defend at 1:1.

                And at Sievierodonetsk Ukraine was defending against a 1:5 advantage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not sure about that one honestly, looks like no one is actually sure about them at this point.
                I highly doubt DPR/LPR impressed will be used for anything other than meat shields, local defense and maybe logi grunts if they have sense. They're completely demoralized to the point of fleeing at the hint of the UA being near if they're on their own, they've clearly shown an inability to hold against an offensive, and having them counted as your troops is a liability at this point that makes you think you can hold more than you actually can.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then they would be able to mobilize and have the advantage of defending on home soil, I doubt anyone could do it, maybe the full NATO, but it wouldn't be easy, invasion is an entirely different beast

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >then they would be able to mobilize and have the advantage of defending on home soil
        Russia will have foreign troops invading and annexing clay (or taking it back in the case of teh Baltics, Poland, Finland Ukraine, China, Mongolia etc) but not until after the civil war has started there and they will just be helping protect assets that have a geopolitical concern such as nuclear plants and weapons, energy infrastructure etc. initially in partnership with a supported faction

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't mobilization just fuck the factories they need to replace all the kit they've lost? They're getting pretty deep into Cold War shit and sanctions aren't going away.

        Human wave tactics aren't going to be pretty.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can imagine people working the factories might be exempt to be honest anon.
          But yes Russian mobilisation would fuck Russia for 50 year or more.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wouldn't mobilization just fuck the factories they need to replace all the kit they've lost?
          they're already fucked, russia is fucked, but they'll mobilize anyway because criminal enterprises and dictatorships rarely pack it in when they should.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian ground forces pre invasion were about 280,000. They are down about 210,000 all causes. Remember combat deaths do not include wounded desertions, pows, irradiated, fratricide (shot by own troops or Chechens on purpose), friendly fire (shot by own troops or Chechens by accident), accidents (crate fell on head, rotor detached from helicopter) etc etc. I could discuss my reports from teh Russian medical system but hey I don't want to depress any Russian readers. its ogre grim. So Russians have about 80,000 contract p[professional ground forces left and the best are dead, however many of these will actually and obviously be logistics, administrative etc etc (tail as opposed to teeth). Russia is absolutely fucked. And we know they are playing recruitments adverts on tannoys in teh Russian regions and going to extraordinary lengths to try and recruit even from prisons, confirming this. This morning on PrepHole we were watching wager group try and recruit from a prison for example. Russia is a military husk. The Ukranians do say that they have out of their supposed million billion reserve tanks actually a couple fo thousand that may clean up( we have seen some of these odd balls in the field already) the Russians just don't seem to be doing a great job, the culture of lying about filled quotas etc has never gone away. Tanks with no engines are being used by Russia for static defense rather than got running properly. It may well be Russia just does not have the people to get them running or the facilities and parts, the Russia defense industry is a black hole of corruption and fraud and has been for decades.
      >OK then gay how long until Russia is actually reduced to pointy sticks
      Realistically? About 12 months until they are actually using pointy sticks but I doubt they will last that long. They may last until spring 23 or get overtaken by a domestic revolution or coup because being Russian this winter is going to really really really suck.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's so insane.
        Imagine shilling for that dump unironically

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Consider this. This winter a lot of the 5000+ sanctions on Russias economy actually come into effect. That may surprise you but EU and US sanctions are carefully constructed and 50% of the sanctions passed only have an application date that hits in November. There is going to be mass unemployment and serious hardship in Russia as Russia cannot borrow (who the fuck would lend more to putin) and Russia runs out of cash this winter. Ordinary Russians will suffer a great deal. Many will loose their jobs and homes and face great poverty. I would imagine evictions will be delayed until spring which is why you may see a revolution occur then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >thinking about those countless times lefty friends defended putin ND praised him
            >mfw

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's hope not, i want them to freeze to death (there are no innocent russoids).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Many nations have laws against eviction in winter, its a European courtesy thing and at one point existed in Russia, I assume it still does. perhaps the nearest vatnik propaganda shill could actually be useful for one and let us know if winter evictions are legal in Russia or not? A quick glace at the yet to be purged Russian central bank dashboards (I like information) tells me that teh Russian mortgage loan system has collapsed by 21%. I would deduct this is also reflected in housing price falls and in a rise in negative equity, mortgage defaults etc Very nasty situation for the ordinary Russia. About 1929 scale.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >laws
                >in russia
                >where they have actual slum lords
                Even if they pass laws people are going to suffer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                only if they had some kind of state security apparatus or secret police they could use to crack down on crime..

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only if they had some kind of state security apparatus or secret police they could use to crack down on crime..
                The criminal hierarchial pyramid has the same top layer as the state in Russia. I'll give you an example, It was the biggest cocaine haul in Russian history. Putin’s close associate, Viktor Cherkesov, oversaw the investigation. And then the cocaine disappeared, seemingly without a trace. A convicted Israeli smuggler suggested that the drug bust ended up as one of Putin’s early sources of wealth. Or this bust which goes straight beside Putin
                Patricia Bullrich, Argentina’s security minister, said that the gang had sought to use the Russian diplomatic courier service to fly the cocaine to Europe. But when Argentinian police released images of a Russian aircraft used in the sting operation and bearing the number of security council chief, Nikolai Patrushev’s, plane, the Kremlin denied any of its fleet had been involved. MOSCOW. Feb 28 (Interfax) - Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov has referred a question about the plane that airlifted Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev to Bangkok and was allegedly involved in the so-called "cocaine case" to the airline.

                "I do not have this information; you should probably ask the airline," Peskov said on Wednesday.

                The Ilyushin Il-76 took Patrushev to Thailand on Tuesday. Several media outlets said that the same plane might be involved in the so-called "cocaine case" involving the suspected shipment of drugs from Argentina to Russia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                jesus fucking christ.
                imagine all the kgb-glowmoron shit that will have been uncovered once monke and his croneys eat a bunch of bullets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It may sound odd to foreigners (not burgers) but russian state security job is to CREATE crime, not solve it. Their main strategy is to create all possible dissent groups before they occure naturaly, and then curate them from inside to their own benefit. Russians have a joke that goes somewhat like "Among the group of 10 revolutionaries there is 11 infiltrated okhranka members".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that the Russian Air Force has been neutered a bit has been a blessing for the Russian ground troops. As I recall ~20% of Russian fatalities in the Chechen War was friendly fire from the Russian Air Force.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, that doesn’t happen anymore now that they have Garmin GPS services!

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the Kherson Pocket, if they're actually trying an attempt to withdraw in good order, the RAF has to show up. The people there don't have the ammo on their side of the river to play the "FUCK YOU ARTILLERY" game as they pull back, and the Artillery of the other side of the river 1) doesn't have the range and 2) is not safe from Ukrainian Counterbattery fire or their ammo being destroyed either; so someone has to come in and cover them.

    It's not going to be good because the Ukrainians know this, have pummeled local SAM network to make it safer for their planes and have probably brought up more AA in general to swat some flies, SAM SHORAD and MANPADs are all probably all ready brought up near their lines.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They use consumer grade handheld GPS to navigate, what do you think?

    Obviously not the best the air force..... They have the kind of air force that only really works on countries that have no real air defense or air force themselves.

    Ukraine has access to all kinds of manpads, you'd not get this type of scenario in Africa or the middle east. Everywhere in Ukraine there is potential to get shot down by some rando Ukie with manpads.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia

    You're a big man, but you're in bad shape.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    losses have really accelerated since they began their counter-offensive.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe they just made it up

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are Ukraine's losses?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how big is the area liberated?

    talking heads are talking about anything from 3k to 9k square Kms.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Around Kharkiv oblast and Kherson combined it's like 8.5k

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that one slidemoron baiting (you)s

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Gepard is a meme, Stingers are the real deal. Russians have literally no counter against it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as I understand it all they can dump is spam flares like they did back in fucking Afghanistan and hope to god not to get shot at.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Gepard is a meme, Stingers are the real deal. Russians have literally no counter against it.
      Nothing wrong with two 35mm Autocannons on an armored chassis, after all no rule says they need to always point those cannons up. All Russian's get to enjoy it's cannons equally.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I heard somewhere that ukies used gepards as an ifv, just shooting at ground targets. And that's why vatniks were screeching something about mass leopards assaults, they just seen something on leopard chassis busting their arses.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How will Russia recover its losses after this war?
    That's a significant amount and I doubt they can afford to ramp up production if they can't even complete their T14 Nomata

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By fracturing and having most of their territory taken over by China

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wholesome

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How will Russia recover its losses after this war?
      That's the neat part, etc, etc.

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