....thats weight. Liquid, muscle, or fat all will result in weight gain. He didn't say "the pounds hea gaining from bulking" he said the weight. Cause he has a gigantic fat fuck face now.
>if russia exhausts literally every single reserve and leave themselves completely defenseless, and ration all their ammo and maximize their efficiency, they'll last a whole 2 years!
this isn't a good thing anon
That could mean bloody anything, from going to war economy, to staying the way it is now, to conquering Ukraine, to conquering Donbass to only keeping Crimea to enduring a siege of Sevastopol
From the article: >'Russia had been accumulating weapons and equipment over the long years of the Cold War,' military intelligence chief Elegijus Paulavicius said and added: 'We estimate that (its) resources would last for another two years of a war of the same intensity as today.' >two years >same intensity as today
It's not even war economy kek
>self-proclaimed second military in the world >can PROLONG war for two more years >not even thinking about winning about country with 11 times smaller budget
What a thing to be proud of.
>we saw some random rocks using google earth around here so those dots are rocks too >what do you mean some of those rocks clearly have legs on the left pic, shut up, this blogsport has coordinates! hiohol propaganda!
lmao that cope
Hundreds of your boys are dying every day Ivan lmao. Nobody is gonna be left for you to have hateful anal sex with in a public bathroom anymore! And then there’ll be no hobos for you to beat up to prove to yourself you’re not a gay!
>Plowing in winter >Dozens of huge fucking stones in the middle of a wheat field which you don't even remove. >Geolocated location is 8.5 miles away from Bakhmut right next to the critical M03 Highway >Region has been under shellfire for weeks and is littered with UXO
Get the fuck out of here with that weak bullshit.
you realize that 50 men all clumped together, sprinting forward on an open field literally IS a human wave, right anon?
you are welcome to give any other definition that you choose, so we may kek and point at you.
Time is on Russia's side dumbass, they're winning, it's just a question of whether it's 2 or 5 years depending on how Ukrainians perform and how Western support continues.
What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does, the 10 Abrams the US will deliver 2 years from now or the few thousand conscripts that get 5 weeks of training in the UK before they're sent to the front? No one, not even the Russians, will care about Russia's disastrous performance if they win the war and things aren't looking good for Ukraine.
>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
Thyey can no lonegre supply logistically the last leg to their front line with fuel, food or munitions because of vehicle losses. Russia can no longer conduct manoeuvre offensive warfare die to losses and they are in the Ukraine a flat place where the side that can conduct manoeuvre offensive warfare wins. I could go on but Russia passed point of no return in military science a few weeks ago. Russia has lost the war and every day that passes is just loosing harder in the final equipment, death, wounded, missing and economic, diplomatic and economic toll
>>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
Pic is the 136 Russian motorised. They just got wiped out.
>Pic is the 136 Russian motorised. They just got wiped out.
>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
Pic is the 136 Russian motorised. They just got wiped out.
>In that video they are begging for ammunition and claiming that wagner is now consuming all of it and that should they die that is the reason why.
personnel ‒ about 160540 (+740) persons were liquidated,
>Time is on Russia's side dumbass
Its not in any sense. Every day that passes Ukraine gets more lethal more modern and better equipment. Every day that passes Russians ground forces equipment becomes more obsolete and ridiculous. Every day that passes Russia becomes more of a diplomatic and economic laughing stock. Time is not on Russias side at att, already we see Russia fragmenting politically with Wagner of all things jousting at teh Russian Army. Time is not on the Russians side. Russia has lost this war and every single day that becomes more obvious the losses become greater and they collapse of the Russian ground forces comes closer. Any sane leader would be retreating. Even in the insane love letter to attrition Russians shills write daily, Russia is loosing, its daily losses of equipment mean Russia can no longer supply food, fuel and munitions to its front line. Russia has lost,
I don't think russias neighbors want a collapsing russia. Maybe a weak and controllable one, but but serious inner conflicts open a whole other can of worms which has the habit of spilling over borders and attracting fuckheads like isis. I would even go so far that it'd be entirely possible that a Christian isis equivalent gets born out of something like this.
And now realize they may get their hands on nukes.
In this case, clearly the least bad option is to remove all russians from russia. Permanently.
Soviet union fell apart and nobody got nuked. I doubt the world would end if Russia also somehow fell apart.
I think you would see an invasion from NATO of unprecedented size and speed. They're not going to let the largest nuclear arsenal in the world fall in to the hands of a bunch of 80 iq drunks who would trade a missile for krokodil or vodka or worse end up in the hands of China. I think NATO is hoping Putin gets overthrown and everything else remains relatively stable because a balkanizing Russia would be an absolute nightmare to reign in.
I guess that depends on what sort of shape America thinks Russia's arsenal is really in. I wonder if China would even want it? Seems like a lot of headaches for some potentially borked hardware that realistically they don't even want to ever use even if it did work
The actual source is the chief of Lithuanian Military Intelligence, as quoted by The Daily Mail:
>Russia has enough weaponry to keep the Ukraine war going for another two years - even without support from another nation, Lithuania's military intelligence service said today.
>'Russia had been accumulating weapons and equipment over the long years of the Cold War,' military intelligence chief Elegijus Paulavicius said and added: 'We estimate that (its) resources would last for another two years of a war of the same intensity as today.'
>enough weaponry for two more years
so they'll have to use progressively older and less sophisticated weapons as time goes on? sounds like Russia is heading into a death spiral
Sure, by year 3 it'll resort to sending old men in respirators, women, and toddlers to the frontline armed with sticks and stones, but they'll keep the war going and prolong the suffering of the Ukranian people for a little bit longer.
And then China will move in and just take over whatever's left of the failed Russian state.
Sorry anon, after watching pic related anime I would rather like they don't, instead catch them and send them to countries with lower natality rates (again pic related) remember this is a cultural thing, most of the offspring of eastern Europe migrants living in western culture countries are just as much normies as the next guy.
Next "specialist" opinion will be that they have enough for 2 decades, tired of this bs headlines that started with two days money and ammo and end up like this
I'm sure that if I google Miriam Kuepper and look up her other articles I'll find loads of well written military-related articles and totally not articles about the Queen's corgis and womb cancer.
source - a neurodivergent journalist on the Daily Mail
Other titles from the Mail: >Putin's bloodlust takes horrendous toll on his own forces with bitter Battle for Bakhmut raging >Putin won't live long enough to see the end of the Ukraine war, Russian state TV pundit fears >Putin: How Russian president's physical and mental state has deteriorated during year of war >New mutiny sees Putin's cannon fodder troops refuse to go to the frontline
So why are you not sharing with us those other articles, OP?
Why does the glavset always remove the source of the articles they post? The Daily Mail is a gossip tabloid mostly read by mouthbreathers, they literally make shit up.
And if you read the article you know they cited a Lithuanian source. Don't pretend you're doing anything better. The source isn't the Daily Mail, the source is the Lithuanian.
The actual source is the chief of Lithuanian Military Intelligence, as quoted by The Daily Mail:
>Russia has enough weaponry to keep the Ukraine war going for another two years - even without support from another nation, Lithuania's military intelligence service said today.
>'Russia had been accumulating weapons and equipment over the long years of the Cold War,' military intelligence chief Elegijus Paulavicius said and added: 'We estimate that (its) resources would last for another two years of a war of the same intensity as today.'
What the article fails to mention is that alot of that reserve weaponry is post WW2 era shit. They've already begun refurbishing and deploying T-62's because they have nothing else left.
Soviets played it whenever shit was seriously going down, death of their leaders, chernobyl etc. So if they turned on their TV or radio expecting the usual programs and swan lake was on, they knew something big happened
>It's the real life equivalent of a 4chan raid.
Hard to see 4chan as swan lake, swan lake is rather nice really. 4chan is more the chrischan of boards but more thirdworld and vatmorony
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I remember once we had a thread on breaking point in military science years ago anyone remember it? It turned out that the point at which units rout was the same more of less for small units and entire organisations due to atrophy of experience
Why does the glavset always remove the source of the articles they post? The Daily Mail is a gossip tabloid mostly read by mouthbreathers, they literally make shit up.
no you fools. it means at least 2 years left worth of saved up munitions before having a need or want to call on china to send its dozens of millions of leftover 152mm shells as the pla switches to the 155's. that is with zero further russian production. with millions of russian rounds made per year, i'm genuinely amused nato thinks its somehow going to attrite russia industrially as they're realizing they picked a fight they cant win while massively punching upward above their weight. even more amused by the jannies copebanning any non narrative posts. all the ukroid projection here of slapping their own losses and predicaments as 'russian losses', its simply regurgitating their own lies so much that they genuinely believe it.
The CHINESE will help us in just 2 YEARS!!! desperate, delusional, coping. Not only are you conceding Russia is incapable of doing anything besides throw all its surplus and production away in a fight against a minor power for two years with no victory but also this plan for eventual victory relies on the good will of CHINA. A country that does nothing but fuck over its allies for minor conveniences and really wants that land back in the east.
Honestly the CPIUSA will never be a hilariously cringeworthy as the time their guy cosplaying as Super Secret Service tried to punctuate a speaker's statement by dramatically putting on sunglasses, forgot he was already wearing sunglasses, and then had to figure out what to do with the second pair he just pulled out.
They are just traitors. There are actually treason laws on the books in the USA. Why are these people walking around? They are not protected Russian diplomats and they are the paid agents of a foreign power who targets the USA with nuclear weapons. These people are walking around free congratulating themselves while prosecutors waste time on some retard who had a bag of weed?
§2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
Nah this is blatant and not debatable treason. Back in the cold war you might have got away withy this shit in the back room of some student ghetto but this assholes literally made a point of showing themselves to billions inside and outside the USA taking a giant shit on their own nation and demonstrating loyalty to Russian and China both of which target the USA with nuclear weapons and are publicly known to. Russian diplomats are protected but these fucks are not. Can't someone prosecute them privately?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I agree that it is, but I'm saying that certain people in the government hold back on it because they actively want this to take place here. A few years back they were all more or less shilling the idea of "teaming up" with Russia or China. Look at some popular games and other media from the 2010s, I can name at least one major title that was shilling the idea of allying with Russia and 2 others about doing the same with China. All of these under the Obama admin too, curiously enough. There was generally a fuckload of talk about how "look, Russia has changed and are like us now! Only dumb old boomers would oppose friendship with Russia!", the talks for China were more openly saying "you're a racist for not accepting the Chinese dictatorship and autocracy is cool when China does it because they're just different now ok? Don't ask us how!"
It all stinks, they've been putting this together for a while now. They're all traitors to our nation, all the way up to the top.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/UIyZNxI.png
§2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
You'd actually have to declare war on Russia for it to be treason dumbass
American lefties fail to rid their mind of the idea of American exceptiobalism. It just turns from >America da best so everyone against her is bad!
To >America da worst so everyone against her must be good!
American extremists on the left and right are equally cancerous but not as cancerous as their EU or UK equivalent as Russia spent more time grooming those.
>first army in the world can prolong a war for 20+ years on the other side of the world before giving up and still manage to be on top as a Power >second best army in the world can drag max 3 years close to its borders before collapsing
Commiebros...
>October 2024: Last T-34 is destroyed in Bakhmut >January 2025: A vatnik uses Russia's last Mosin to commit suicide in Bakhmut >March 2025: The last MPL-50 hits the ground after a failed banzai charge in the final battle for Bakhmut
But Bakhmut will fall two weeks after that
>russia will not invade ukraine >ukrainians will welcome us >you can't stop the VDV >3 days >2 weeks >2500 T-14s >bakhmut will fall
I'm sensing a pattern here.
>"da comrade, if we exhaust every single plane, tank, rifle and bullet of the second largest military in the world, we can keep up fighting poorest country in europe for 2 more years!"
da comrade, da we have 2 more years of ammo left in storage and I'm totally not lying to you like last time i 100% didn't sell it off or left it rot away to rust da comrade.
200,000 dead lol no comrade 17k, da comrade, you well also get a cut of the money meant for the widows,. da comrade, wagnar well take the fall da vary good. da long live mother russia....
>we can send unsupported armor and infantry piecemeal at over 50% attrition rates for another two years
The Chinese and Norks are gifting them shittons, and this is still their performance level. They cannot sustain the high tech production of precision weapons above a boutique level. They're done and playing for time for some economic shenanigans to unfold. It won't help.
the moment Russia starts tapping into their male population in Moscow and Peter the way they have in the provinces, they're risking significant political instability that they've tried to avoid
They have tapped some in those areas but the losses are ludicrously favorable for them, like 30 churkas dead for every muscovite lost. I think they keep the city kids in the rear considering orcs chimp the fuck out whenever Ukraine does anything far beyond the front like blowing up that hotel full of mobiks a while back.
>send hordes of retarded nonwhites to die for you >if they take land you get the land, if they don't they all die and you're not flooded with them anymore >barely recruit your own people and put them into non-combat units when you do >only mourn the loss of your own people, content to let the nonwhites die for you
This is based and I'm not going to pretend it isn't. If they were fighting some other country I'd be cheering them on in cleansing their country of impurities in a constructive way. I'll still commend them on it though, clever long term strategy. We kinda do similar by pushing blacks and mexicans into heavier combat roles while leaving more white men in command and non-combatant positions.
It's just "RAMIREZ, DO EVERYTHING!" but instead of a Mexican private it's a Chechen mobik.
>Soviet military repelled and counter-invaded Nazi Germany in 3 years at the expense of 100k tanks and 100k aircraft lost, plus millions of soldiers and astronomical quantities of ammo and other equipment (a good portion of it donated by the US, true) >modern Russia would tap out after 3 years of fighting a glorified border skirmish
Jesus Christ...
>Soviet military repelled and counter-invaded Nazi Germany in 3 years at the expense of 100k tanks and 100k aircraft lost, plus millions of soldiers and astronomical quantities of ammo and other equipment (a good portion of it donated by the US, true)
They didn't. "A good portion of it donated by the US" is the only reason why they didn't lose.
In fairness, it's they reason they didn't lose IMMEDIATELY. Once they finished converting every enterprise that wasn't basic civilian necessities to war production, Germany was simply outmatched at scale.
>Soviet military repelled and counter-invaded Nazi Germany in 3 years at the expense of 100k tanks and 100k aircraft lost, plus millions of soldiers and astronomical quantities of ammo and other equipment (a good portion of it donated by the US, true) >modern Russia would tap out after 3 years of fighting a glorified border skirmish
Jesus Christ...
Modern Russia, unless facing an existential threat, will never be able to reproduce their Soviet wartime production. There simply isn't enough slave labour that they would have received from the republics or will to support the Putin presidency at home.
>In fairness, it's they reason they didn't lose IMMEDIATELY.
It's the opposite. If anything, you can probably praise the Soviets for stopping Operation Barbarossa at the gates of Moscow (kek) almost all on their own. It's all the later war developments that were the result of Western Allies messing with Germany. Operation Bagration wouldn't have happened without the hundreds of thousands of Studebacker trucks and millions of tons of fuel, including high-quality aviation fuel, as well as everything else donated.
Without lend-lease, the USSR would have had similiar performance that Russia has today. With it, they managed a semi-competent form of mobile, mechanized warfare.
At this point I'm treating these as the "Ukraine gibs" equivalent of how the MIC does things. The sky is always falling if it means the money flows easier.
Actually responding to the claim, you may have enough weapons on paper but that says nothing of their quality. Just because you have half a billion nuggets and a few thousand outdated as hell tanks laying around (and nearly all of it poorly maintained) doesn't mean they'll be effective. You have to increase the amount of weapons to compensate for how outdated they are and still be able to possibly fight a better equipped foe. There's a point where quantity also just flat isn't enough. This article would have to assume the Russians are willing to throw away as many men and as much equipment as needed no matter how bad a state it is in after "winning" which tbh isn't really that hard to believe.
Two years??!! That is no good, we need to bleed them for around 10 just like the Soviets in Afghanistan to finally get rid of them, so they stop being a threat to Europe.
We are going to have to sell them weapons so they can keep sending their young men to die in vain and destroying their economy for a couple more years until they finally collapse.
I think the real question should not be if Russia has the ammo to remain in the war, as they spent mostly old stuff from the cold war, it should be "do they have enough manpower?" Instead
I own a bunch of guns and ammo that I can and will use on you if you dare try to take what's mine, force me into the pod, and/or make me eat the bugs.
China is the shining example for the "you will own nothing and you will be happy" crowd. The only problem they have with it is is it's Xi and the CCP controlling it, not them.
moron the CCP ARE exactly like the freemasons. China is a cesspit of degeneracy and maoists were trained by communist garden gnomes.
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I own a bunch of guns and ammo that I can and will use on you if you dare try to take what's mine, force me into the pod, and/or make me eat the bugs.
China is the shining example for the "you will own nothing and you will be happy" crowd. The only problem they have with it is is it's Xi and the CCP controlling it, not them.
Yes.
The Freemasons will break you. MKUltra did not fail. Prepare your anus.
>two year stalemate >two more fucking years of each side's shills shitting up the catalogue
Okay, what will end this shit by next month? Do we just give Ukraine nukes and let them pull a Belka on their border to stop the invasion? Can we get the sides to agree to flip a coin (best 3 out of 5) and whoever wins has won the war? Can they just agree to disagree and go the fuck home?
Please, I cannot fucking take 2 more goddamn years of this shit. If I never hear about Russia or Ukraine again for the rest of my life it'll be too damn long.
Funny because that is exactly how communism works, in cum-unist china, NK and in Russia and other commie shitholes. You will only obey and you will own nothing. The only difference is that you will be really miserable and unhappy.
>CCP will be the last stand against the Freemasons
moron the Chinks would collapse faster than the WTC after getting blown up by mossad if globalism were to cease.
moron commies fight by subversion. They know they need technology and money from engaging with globalism. That said chinese elite tries to play left hand path by themselves.
>two years
The Soviet Union kept a lot of old 'outdated' machinery around. The plan was for the reserves and conscripts to turn on a tank from the 50s as it was better to have one tank than none at all.
When the article write 'two years,' that is what it means. Russia's mothballed weapons.
However, they aren't meant to be used as offensive weapons. Soviet war doctrine called for elite divisions to break through and attack strategic points while the reserves and conscripts, armed with T-34s mopped up the rear.
Doesn't mean shit. If i wanted to gain more public support aka get more money, this is exactly what i would write. It's also warfare 101 to try and make the enemy believe you're afraid of them. Nothing is weaker than a confident enemy, as this war has proven time and time again
NATO does not need to waste money on lies like moscow. The truth is it is the greatest military power on earth and its weapons and soliders are the best on the planet
Good luck with that little zigger. You print that out and use it as a magic rifle plate when you get thrown into the mud pushing a blackpowder cannon on a lada riva to save moscow.
>Good luck with that little zigger. You print that out and use it as a magic rifle plate when you get thrown into the mud pushing a blackpowder cannon on a lada riva to save moscow.
>assessment of the armed forces of Ukraine
Russia's lost a lot, but posting an infographic from one of the parties fighting the war is just embarrassing.
Russia is already fucked for a generation the insane military looses are the end of it being any sort of conventional power for good but teh slow moving vice of the economic sanctions...that's probably the end of Russia as a nation.
anon, it's not 20,000 losses, it's in the ballpark of 60,000 killed and 130~,000 wounded and that's a generously low ratio of killed to wounded for how Russia has been fighting this war.
There are 16,000+ individually confirmed public obituaries and memorial posts. With the lengths Russia has gone to to conceal casualties you're insane if you think the upper bound is anywhere close to 16K
>it's in the ballpark of 60,000 killed and 130~,000 wounded
lol nice fanfic >With the lengths Russia has gone to to conceal casualties
That's Ukraine though
You'd think if Ukraine was losing numbers much greater than Russian numbers the Russians would have taken Bakhmut already, and wouldnt have had to withdraw from Kherson and Kharkiv.
How do you cockroaches reconcile these contradictions?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I believe at this point Ukraine has lost like 3-4X their population according to Russian sources. Its all projection and part of their firehose of falsehood approach to muddy the waters around the Ukraine War. As long as Russia doesn't look like its obviously losing they can work with the uncertainty to spin their narrative.
100,000+ killed with addition of prisoners and DNR/LDR. Wagner had 50,000+ and now left with 10,000 after 40,000+ casualties including prob 20,000 dead
It's incredible that after everything people are still falling for Russian propaganda and even making up some of their own. The Russian economy is not doing nearly as well as they let on. Everything that comes out is a lie or fabrication designed to project an image of strength. Because in truth they have no strength. They have been creeping along on the legacy of the USSR without even understanding what made the USSR work. It wasn't secret police and the military. It was having actual higher ideals and a real sense of cooperation. As brutal as the Soviets were at least they stood for something and had to maintain some sense of order and justice to keep everyone in line. Modern Russia is a hollowed out police state run by a delusional boomer pretending to be a James Bond villain.
>without even understanding what made the USSR work. It wasn't secret police and the military. It was having actual higher ideals and a real sense of cooperation.
hahahaha >what made the USSR work
communist countries were all corrupt shitholes that didn't give a fuck about communism
>NPC dialogue
It's not about what you think, it's about how you think.
Your post proves if you were born in Roosia you would be happily fertilizing Ukraine's soil right now, retard.
[...] >Daily reminder your liberal leftist LGBTQIAP+ friends actually stand for Putin
You might have a point if you were talking about the Soviet Union but even under Obama the leftists were more guilty of appeasing Putin because they thought the Cold War was over than they were straight up collaborating with him. His hard stance against the gays and the Russian state being the originator of most anti-gay, and so forth propaganda directly puts him at odds with liberals.
More to the point about Ukraine. Russian posters seem not to understand that respecting the desire of people to have their own nation is fundamental to maintaining international order without falling back into the same pre-WW2 mindset that everyone can just arbitrarily declare was in conquest of more territory. The end of the Cold War was supposed to be a normalization of using diplomacy and economics to settle disputes.
The last time America gained any territory was in 1947 and that was only a few shitty islands. Despite having the worlds strongest military for more than half a century we haven't abused that to take land but we could have. The USA always acts in good faith and despite trying to lead by example we have never been able to convince the barbarians to do the same.
>You might have a point if you were talking about the Soviet Union
I'm talking about both the soviets and modern day Putin's Russia. >but even under Obama the leftists were more guilty of appeasing Putin because they thought the Cold War was over than they were straight up collaborating with him. His hard stance against the gays and the Russian state being the originator of most anti-gay, and so forth propaganda directly puts him at odds with liberals.
Putin is gay himself. He had a boyfriend during his early KGB years and even got demoted for it. His bf, a violonist, became director of St Petersbourg opera thanks to Putin's interference. He was simply against gay propaganda. A propaganda he knew about because it originated from the russian KGB in the 50's and 60's. Matter of a fact there are tons of russian fags and despite the occasional beating they're not really threaten. You can be a chud in Russia it's perfectly okay there are legal surgical operations and even official sex changes written in the law. They're more "progressives" than many western countries. >The last time America gained any territory was in 1947 and that was only a few shitty islands. Despite having the worlds strongest military for more than half a century we haven't abused that to take land but we could have. The USA always acts in good faith and despite trying to lead by example we have never been able to convince the barbarians to do the same.
Please anon, the US colonization strategy used trade, military intervention, and economic control. The US played the same big game of RISK Europe played after WW1. Just because there was no invasion and flag raising doesn't mean there was no american will to control the destiny of other nations.
>Daily reminder your liberal leftist LGBTQIAP+ friends actually stand for Putin
You might have a point if you were talking about the Soviet Union but even under Obama the leftists were more guilty of appeasing Putin because they thought the Cold War was over than they were straight up collaborating with him. His hard stance against the gays and the Russian state being the originator of most anti-gay, and so forth propaganda directly puts him at odds with liberals.
More to the point about Ukraine. Russian posters seem not to understand that respecting the desire of people to have their own nation is fundamental to maintaining international order without falling back into the same pre-WW2 mindset that everyone can just arbitrarily declare was in conquest of more territory. The end of the Cold War was supposed to be a normalization of using diplomacy and economics to settle disputes.
The last time America gained any territory was in 1947 and that was only a few shitty islands. Despite having the worlds strongest military for more than half a century we haven't abused that to take land but we could have. The USA always acts in good faith and despite trying to lead by example we have never been able to convince the barbarians to do the same.
If Russia had been an ally worth having. If they had demonstrated any ability to have a functioning, open economy free of corruption, they probably could have convinced Ukraine to peacefully vote to rejoin them. But the Russian tendency to abuse and take advantage of others made the Ukrainians prefer fighting to the death over getting put back under the boot.
If a fair and open election in Ukraine had voluntarily wanted to rejoin Russia the rest of the world wouldn't have cared and life could have gone on as usual. But like everything touched by slavic hands and minds the Russians had to fuck things up and try to do it by force.
So now they ruin not only the Ukrainians but their own country with reckless military adventurism. Undone once again by wanting to take the easy way out instead of working hard and improving themselves. They are becoming even more of a pariah state and once the last traces of Soviet equipment have been exhausted they will cease to be relevant on the world stage.
The more I look at that map the more fucky it gets. Some of it makes sense... then you shit like Japan taking a sliver of land on the mainland but not the entirety of Sakhalin or Kazakhstan taking a massive portion of the country. Belarus being allowed to take even a sliver of it is ridiculous. Mongolia taking that much would also be ridiculous. There's also no balkanization. Even just as a "who is managing this part" map rather than annexation it's beyond strange.
Russia is absolutely fucked and the longer this goes on the worse it gets, but I sincerely doubt that map is close to accurate.
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They make outdated crap that barely has reach outside their own borders. The only places you see "Made in Russia" on products is gun stores (which is slowly but surely vanishing), milsurp shops (usually online), and mom & pop Russian stores that mostly sell food. To replace foreign products you'd have to go back to forcing people to work the jobs you need them as the Soviet Union did, the problem there is you need many of those same people to be handed an AK and tossed at Ukraine. The one thing they produce that really had a wide reach is oil and gas products. >Ukraine is throwing everyone they can
Well, no shit. It's almost like they were invaded by a larger neighbor who is supposedly the #2 military power on the planet or something. We know they've got bad casualties, thing is you've got worse because your military is run by retards who clearly think just throwing bodies at a problem until they "win" is a good trick. Russia will be reduced to designs from the 60s at best by the end of this simply due to wasting so much on what they call "probing attacks" but everyone else recognizes as "human waves".
You have three options, pick one. Everything else is bullshit. >Ukraine has been fighting an absolutely stellar defensive war >Russia has actually been pathetically weak and had no business being in the #2 slot or even the top 10 >both at the same time
>your media doesn't talk about how bad the situation there is right now.
I had no idea how bad it is. Where can I find out more of what the mainstream media is hiding from us?
>Ukraine is known for declaring dead people as missing to not have to pay their families anything.
srsly very demoralizing stuff. We can be happy to have Vladimir Vladimirovich so things like that we'll never happens in puccian military.
>What am I looking at?
Proof you’re a cretinous imbecile: Russia’s manufacturing is a small part of its GDP. Biggest is fossil fuels and second biggest is BANKING (no surprise given the massive number of garden gnomes in Israel that have Russian origin). Now go seethe, cope, dilate etc.
>smacking the shit out of Ukraine >gains can be measures in single digit miles from past front lines per 3-6 month period, pushed from several collapsed fronts including right outside Ukraine's capitol
Pick one and only one.
the US could have gone on indefinitely, their presence in the MENA basically didn't affect their ability to intervene elsewhere at all, nor did it deplete stocks (it merely gave an excuse to modernize them.)
And what then? >Uh, guys, we literally only have our rusty, unmaintained nuclear shit from the 80s left that may or may not launch and/or hit something we aim it at. So, uh, let's forget the whole thing ever happened?
That's probably because all that cheap surplus ammo we were buying wasn't supposed to be surplus. But Ivan needed a new house, car, passport, and now identity and those cost some serious rubles. Nobody was gonna notice that he sold a little off the top every year right?
Its not goingt o be two years OP.......Its nice to see Russia is now trying to be optimistic about how long they can last now that they have lost and there is no chance of winning but I'm afraid that's an ultra cautious NATO estimate, a 'worst case' Russia is not going to last that long at all, not even one year. Pic related.
>two years
>for a country such as russia
Lmao.
so are they purposefully posting older photos of putin so you don't see the weight he put on?
its not weight, its inflammation due to steroids
....thats weight. Liquid, muscle, or fat all will result in weight gain. He didn't say "the pounds hea gaining from bulking" he said the weight. Cause he has a gigantic fat fuck face now.
>so you don't see the weight he put on?
>not "the weight he's putin on"
SINGULAR JOB
I pay mexicans to do that for me, anon.
Fuckers were sleeping again.
>if russia exhausts literally every single reserve and leave themselves completely defenseless, and ration all their ammo and maximize their efficiency, they'll last a whole 2 years!
this isn't a good thing anon
Do not fret, true korea will help
ror
Ravioli ravioli give me the munitioni
>russia exhausts literally every single reserve and leave themselves completely defenseless
Please stop. My penis can only get so hard.
Just two more years Zisters!
That could mean bloody anything, from going to war economy, to staying the way it is now, to conquering Ukraine, to conquering Donbass to only keeping Crimea to enduring a siege of Sevastopol
The thread should have ended here but nuPrepHole doesn’t reward the reasonable.
From the article:
>'Russia had been accumulating weapons and equipment over the long years of the Cold War,' military intelligence chief Elegijus Paulavicius said and added: 'We estimate that (its) resources would last for another two years of a war of the same intensity as today.'
>two years
>same intensity as today
It's not even war economy kek
>self-proclaimed second military in the world
>can PROLONG war for two more years
>not even thinking about winning about country with 11 times smaller budget
What a thing to be proud of.
There is a difference between keeping a war going and winning it.
Fake.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1634954899808215041.html
holhol propaganda.
>we saw some random rocks using google earth around here so those dots are rocks too
>what do you mean some of those rocks clearly have legs on the left pic, shut up, this blogsport has coordinates! hiohol propaganda!
lmao that cope
Huh? What a retarded post. I get you're coping but you can do better.
>Joined March 2022
yeah
Hundreds of your boys are dying every day Ivan lmao. Nobody is gonna be left for you to have hateful anal sex with in a public bathroom anymore! And then there’ll be no hobos for you to beat up to prove to yourself you’re not a gay!
>Plowing in winter
>Dozens of huge fucking stones in the middle of a wheat field which you don't even remove.
>Geolocated location is 8.5 miles away from Bakhmut right next to the critical M03 Highway
>Region has been under shellfire for weeks and is littered with UXO
Get the fuck out of here with that weak bullshit.
>Plowing in winter
What else am I supposed to do when snowed in with the wife?
netflix and chill.
>war with over 100,000 dead on each side
>picture with 50 corpses
it's just like World War I!! muh hooooooman woooves. Aaah I'm gonna woooooove
>100,000 dead
>each side
you realize that 50 men all clumped together, sprinting forward on an open field literally IS a human wave, right anon?
you are welcome to give any other definition that you choose, so we may kek and point at you.
A human wave attack has to come from the Humàn region of France, otherwise it's just a sparkling mass suicide.
Time is on Russia's side dumbass, they're winning, it's just a question of whether it's 2 or 5 years depending on how Ukrainians perform and how Western support continues.
yes please stay in ukraine for 2 more years until everything falls apart, everyone is happy
What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does, the 10 Abrams the US will deliver 2 years from now or the few thousand conscripts that get 5 weeks of training in the UK before they're sent to the front? No one, not even the Russians, will care about Russia's disastrous performance if they win the war and things aren't looking good for Ukraine.
>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
Thyey can no lonegre supply logistically the last leg to their front line with fuel, food or munitions because of vehicle losses. Russia can no longer conduct manoeuvre offensive warfare die to losses and they are in the Ukraine a flat place where the side that can conduct manoeuvre offensive warfare wins. I could go on but Russia passed point of no return in military science a few weeks ago. Russia has lost the war and every day that passes is just loosing harder in the final equipment, death, wounded, missing and economic, diplomatic and economic toll
>>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
>Pic is the 136 Russian motorised. They just got wiped out.
>In that video they are begging for ammunition and claiming that wagner is now consuming all of it and that should they die that is the reason why.
personnel ‒ about 160540 (+740) persons were liquidated,
tanks ‒ 3484 (+10),
APV ‒ 6789 (+15),
artillery systems – 2519 (+16),
MLRS – 495 (+2),
Anti-aircraft warfare systems ‒ 260 (+1) oд,
aircraft – 304 (+0),
helicopters – 289 (+0),
UAV operational-tactical level – 2120 (+11),
cruise missiles ‒ 907 (+0),
warships / boats ‒ 18 (+0),
vehicles and fuel tanks – 5367 (+13),
special equipment ‒ 256 (+5).
>What makes you think Russia will collapse before Ukraine does
Pic is the 136 Russian motorised. They just got wiped out.
In that video they are begging for ammunition and claiming that wagner is now consuming all of it and that should they die that is the reason why.
>Time is on Russia's side dumbass
Its not in any sense. Every day that passes Ukraine gets more lethal more modern and better equipment. Every day that passes Russians ground forces equipment becomes more obsolete and ridiculous. Every day that passes Russia becomes more of a diplomatic and economic laughing stock. Time is not on Russias side at att, already we see Russia fragmenting politically with Wagner of all things jousting at teh Russian Army. Time is not on the Russians side. Russia has lost this war and every single day that becomes more obvious the losses become greater and they collapse of the Russian ground forces comes closer. Any sane leader would be retreating. Even in the insane love letter to attrition Russians shills write daily, Russia is loosing, its daily losses of equipment mean Russia can no longer supply food, fuel and munitions to its front line. Russia has lost,
So what happens after that, who's going to help them?
Help? No, after russia is spend, its neighbors will divide the whole russia between themselves.
I don't think russias neighbors want a collapsing russia. Maybe a weak and controllable one, but but serious inner conflicts open a whole other can of worms which has the habit of spilling over borders and attracting fuckheads like isis. I would even go so far that it'd be entirely possible that a Christian isis equivalent gets born out of something like this.
And now realize they may get their hands on nukes.
considering how many muslims there are in Russia, there may even be an actual ISIS too
>Christian isis
Kino
In this case, clearly the least bad option is to remove all russians from russia. Permanently.
Soviet union fell apart and nobody got nuked. I doubt the world would end if Russia also somehow fell apart.
I think you would see an invasion from NATO of unprecedented size and speed. They're not going to let the largest nuclear arsenal in the world fall in to the hands of a bunch of 80 iq drunks who would trade a missile for krokodil or vodka or worse end up in the hands of China. I think NATO is hoping Putin gets overthrown and everything else remains relatively stable because a balkanizing Russia would be an absolute nightmare to reign in.
I guess that depends on what sort of shape America thinks Russia's arsenal is really in. I wonder if China would even want it? Seems like a lot of headaches for some potentially borked hardware that realistically they don't even want to ever use even if it did work
>They're not going to let the largest nuclear arsenal in the world fall in to the hands of a bunch of 80 iq drunks
They already did that in 1991.
>So what happens after that
Gravity and an open window will take care of the particulars.
>So what happens after that
Swan Lake starts playing, anon
They start trading land to China in exchange for weapons.
They’ll trade with North Korea, China or some sand shithole like Iran. This war won’t be over for a while.
feudal style civil war kino
>So what happens after that
More shrinky-dinky
Like spending your family's life savings on a hug from a hooker
Link to the article?
The actual source is the chief of Lithuanian Military Intelligence, as quoted by The Daily Mail:
>Russia has enough weaponry to keep the Ukraine war going for another two years - even without support from another nation, Lithuania's military intelligence service said today.
>'Russia had been accumulating weapons and equipment over the long years of the Cold War,' military intelligence chief Elegijus Paulavicius said and added: 'We estimate that (its) resources would last for another two years of a war of the same intensity as today.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11841115/Russia-weaponry-Ukraine-war-going-TWO-YEARS.html
Only two years? The Taliban lasted 20 fucking kek
>Putin could've captured Kyiv in 3 days if he wanted to
>enough weaponry for two more years
so they'll have to use progressively older and less sophisticated weapons as time goes on? sounds like Russia is heading into a death spiral
When did they start classifying 17 yr old conscripts as "weaponry"?
>two more years of vatmorons dying
based timeline
the end of conventional munitions makes the use of bio/chemical weapons more likely.
That's nuking if tried
i bet zelensky will soon use chlorine he controls enough crazy groups
Sure, by year 3 it'll resort to sending old men in respirators, women, and toddlers to the frontline armed with sticks and stones, but they'll keep the war going and prolong the suffering of the Ukranian people for a little bit longer.
And then China will move in and just take over whatever's left of the failed Russian state.
I want the Russians to start sending heavily pregnant women into combat so I can hawk these t-shirts to Ukies.
Sorry anon, after watching pic related anime I would rather like they don't, instead catch them and send them to countries with lower natality rates (again pic related) remember this is a cultural thing, most of the offspring of eastern Europe migrants living in western culture countries are just as much normies as the next guy.
Next "specialist" opinion will be that they have enough for 2 decades, tired of this bs headlines that started with two days money and ammo and end up like this
I'm sure that if I google Miriam Kuepper and look up her other articles I'll find loads of well written military-related articles and totally not articles about the Queen's corgis and womb cancer.
source - a neurodivergent journalist on the Daily Mail
Other titles from the Mail:
>Putin's bloodlust takes horrendous toll on his own forces with bitter Battle for Bakhmut raging
>Putin won't live long enough to see the end of the Ukraine war, Russian state TV pundit fears
>Putin: How Russian president's physical and mental state has deteriorated during year of war
>New mutiny sees Putin's cannon fodder troops refuse to go to the frontline
So why are you not sharing with us those other articles, OP?
>two more years
>half a million dead vatniks with another million disabled for life
>economy completely ruined
>all Soviet weapons stock used up
Then what?
SECRET. RUSSIAN. ARMY.
>Then what?
That's when the gloves come off!
We're in the ???????? -> PROFIT territory right now.
Total unimpeded globalism.
Then the secret army of 1000 armatas
then you wake up
>2 more years
Russia won't survive a defeat at Bakhmut. Crush them there already.
Why does the glavset always remove the source of the articles they post? The Daily Mail is a gossip tabloid mostly read by mouthbreathers, they literally make shit up.
And if you read the article you know they cited a Lithuanian source. Don't pretend you're doing anything better. The source isn't the Daily Mail, the source is the Lithuanian.
Everybody says something different about russian capabilities all the the time.
Is the Lithuanian some random schizophrenic they met on the street they gave 5quid to, because this is the daily mail we're talking about.
see
does they have infinity zigers to human-waves?
What the article fails to mention is that alot of that reserve weaponry is post WW2 era shit. They've already begun refurbishing and deploying T-62's because they have nothing else left.
So this is literally telling us that there is less than two years left to USSR collapse 2.0?
Might as well get your celebration playlist ready, I’ll start with my favorite
What's celebratory about Swan Lake? It's a tragedy.
Soviets played it whenever shit was seriously going down, death of their leaders, chernobyl etc. So if they turned on their TV or radio expecting the usual programs and swan lake was on, they knew something big happened
It's the real life equivalent of a 4chan raid.
>It's the real life equivalent of a 4chan raid.
Hard to see 4chan as swan lake, swan lake is rather nice really. 4chan is more the chrischan of boards but more thirdworld and vatmorony
I remember once we had a thread on breaking point in military science years ago anyone remember it? It turned out that the point at which units rout was the same more of less for small units and entire organisations due to atrophy of experience
Wind of Change
no you fools. it means at least 2 years left worth of saved up munitions before having a need or want to call on china to send its dozens of millions of leftover 152mm shells as the pla switches to the 155's. that is with zero further russian production. with millions of russian rounds made per year, i'm genuinely amused nato thinks its somehow going to attrite russia industrially as they're realizing they picked a fight they cant win while massively punching upward above their weight. even more amused by the jannies copebanning any non narrative posts. all the ukroid projection here of slapping their own losses and predicaments as 'russian losses', its simply regurgitating their own lies so much that they genuinely believe it.
If Russia is winning so handily, why has it been struggling to gain any ground at all?
Why are you replying to sponsored wojak spam?
>as they're realizing they picked a fight they cant win while massively punching upward above their weight
The CHINESE will help us in just 2 YEARS!!! desperate, delusional, coping. Not only are you conceding Russia is incapable of doing anything besides throw all its surplus and production away in a fight against a minor power for two years with no victory but also this plan for eventual victory relies on the good will of CHINA. A country that does nothing but fuck over its allies for minor conveniences and really wants that land back in the east.
> with millions of russian rounds made per year
Lol they’re using up their 40-year-old Soviet inheritance because they’re so great at production!
?
yas qveen
Tsar tank, Tsar Tank, Tsar tank, Tsar Tank!
Secret Russian Army when
2 more weeks and 5000 Armata's will storm across the border to encircle KEEEEEEV
Okay, what exactly is Russia going to USE to keep this up for 2 years? Obsolete weapons?
They're modernising T-62s so yes.
Wonder how long until T-55's
All these retards supporting from their keyboards, they're going to strap them with IEDs and send them to the front lines.
Yes
This is your Russian propogandist, say something nice about zer.
Nice images of parade hardware that will never see combat I guess.
So true!
Y'know that the horse cock song guy went to this thing
Honestly the CPIUSA will never be a hilariously cringeworthy as the time their guy cosplaying as Super Secret Service tried to punctuate a speaker's statement by dramatically putting on sunglasses, forgot he was already wearing sunglasses, and then had to figure out what to do with the second pair he just pulled out.
They are just traitors. There are actually treason laws on the books in the USA. Why are these people walking around? They are not protected Russian diplomats and they are the paid agents of a foreign power who targets the USA with nuclear weapons. These people are walking around free congratulating themselves while prosecutors waste time on some retard who had a bag of weed?
§2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
>Why are these people walking around?
Because the politicians wish it, and if we enforced treason laws they'd also be on the gallows next to them.
Nah this is blatant and not debatable treason. Back in the cold war you might have got away withy this shit in the back room of some student ghetto but this assholes literally made a point of showing themselves to billions inside and outside the USA taking a giant shit on their own nation and demonstrating loyalty to Russian and China both of which target the USA with nuclear weapons and are publicly known to. Russian diplomats are protected but these fucks are not. Can't someone prosecute them privately?
I agree that it is, but I'm saying that certain people in the government hold back on it because they actively want this to take place here. A few years back they were all more or less shilling the idea of "teaming up" with Russia or China. Look at some popular games and other media from the 2010s, I can name at least one major title that was shilling the idea of allying with Russia and 2 others about doing the same with China. All of these under the Obama admin too, curiously enough. There was generally a fuckload of talk about how "look, Russia has changed and are like us now! Only dumb old boomers would oppose friendship with Russia!", the talks for China were more openly saying "you're a racist for not accepting the Chinese dictatorship and autocracy is cool when China does it because they're just different now ok? Don't ask us how!"
It all stinks, they've been putting this together for a while now. They're all traitors to our nation, all the way up to the top.
You'd actually have to declare war on Russia for it to be treason dumbass
Can someone give me a quick run down on these people's ideology. I don't get it.
I share the interest in silicone horsecocks, but I don't get it either.
American lefties fail to rid their mind of the idea of American exceptiobalism. It just turns from
>America da best so everyone against her is bad!
To
>America da worst so everyone against her must be good!
American extremists on the left and right are equally cancerous but not as cancerous as their EU or UK equivalent as Russia spent more time grooming those.
>first army in the world can prolong a war for 20+ years on the other side of the world before giving up and still manage to be on top as a Power
>second best army in the world can drag max 3 years close to its borders before collapsing
Commiebros...
It says they can keep going it doesn't say they can win.
Know the difference, it could save your life.
Only two years? That's quite pathetic. America has enough military might to last centuries.
If I eat one every month I can make a single roll of PEZ last a year
No mortal can resist the temptation
>October 2024: Last T-34 is destroyed in Bakhmut
>January 2025: A vatnik uses Russia's last Mosin to commit suicide in Bakhmut
>March 2025: The last MPL-50 hits the ground after a failed banzai charge in the final battle for Bakhmut
But Bakhmut will fall two weeks after that
>russia will not invade ukraine
>ukrainians will welcome us
>you can't stop the VDV
>3 days
>2 weeks
>2500 T-14s
>bakhmut will fall
I'm sensing a pattern here.
Does that include those not demilitarized T-34s they got from Laos? I want videos of T-34s getting fucking mogged.
Wow pathetic
>"da comrade, if we exhaust every single plane, tank, rifle and bullet of the second largest military in the world, we can keep up fighting poorest country in europe for 2 more years!"
this does not speak well of the russian military
>people still believe this is a war between Ukraine and Russia, and not Russia and broken western politics
>Believing 4chan's bullshit.
da comrade, da we have 2 more years of ammo left in storage and I'm totally not lying to you like last time i 100% didn't sell it off or left it rot away to rust da comrade.
200,000 dead lol no comrade 17k, da comrade, you well also get a cut of the money meant for the widows,. da comrade, wagnar well take the fall da vary good. da long live mother russia....
2 more weeks you stupid bitch
realistically how many slavs will die in those two years?
>we can send unsupported armor and infantry piecemeal at over 50% attrition rates for another two years
The Chinese and Norks are gifting them shittons, and this is still their performance level. They cannot sustain the high tech production of precision weapons above a boutique level. They're done and playing for time for some economic shenanigans to unfold. It won't help.
you are a worthless retard
They're gonna run out of people long before they run out of weapons at this rate.
65million males vs 20 million in ukraine
from that eligible could be half or less. so 30 vs 10?
the moment Russia starts tapping into their male population in Moscow and Peter the way they have in the provinces, they're risking significant political instability that they've tried to avoid
They have tapped some in those areas but the losses are ludicrously favorable for them, like 30 churkas dead for every muscovite lost. I think they keep the city kids in the rear considering orcs chimp the fuck out whenever Ukraine does anything far beyond the front like blowing up that hotel full of mobiks a while back.
>send hordes of retarded nonwhites to die for you
>if they take land you get the land, if they don't they all die and you're not flooded with them anymore
>barely recruit your own people and put them into non-combat units when you do
>only mourn the loss of your own people, content to let the nonwhites die for you
This is based and I'm not going to pretend it isn't. If they were fighting some other country I'd be cheering them on in cleansing their country of impurities in a constructive way. I'll still commend them on it though, clever long term strategy. We kinda do similar by pushing blacks and mexicans into heavier combat roles while leaving more white men in command and non-combatant positions.
It's just "RAMIREZ, DO EVERYTHING!" but instead of a Mexican private it's a Chechen mobik.
The ones falling on the floor are veh-deh-veh
Then why have they been dripfeeding forces into the region?
Yeah, I bet they still have lots of shovels in storage
So you're telling me all NATO has to do is keep feeding Ukraine gear for 2 years to drag this shit out and then anyone can just waltz into Russia?
>Soviet military repelled and counter-invaded Nazi Germany in 3 years at the expense of 100k tanks and 100k aircraft lost, plus millions of soldiers and astronomical quantities of ammo and other equipment (a good portion of it donated by the US, true)
>modern Russia would tap out after 3 years of fighting a glorified border skirmish
Jesus Christ...
>Soviet military repelled and counter-invaded Nazi Germany in 3 years at the expense of 100k tanks and 100k aircraft lost, plus millions of soldiers and astronomical quantities of ammo and other equipment (a good portion of it donated by the US, true)
They didn't. "A good portion of it donated by the US" is the only reason why they didn't lose.
In fairness, it's they reason they didn't lose IMMEDIATELY. Once they finished converting every enterprise that wasn't basic civilian necessities to war production, Germany was simply outmatched at scale.
Modern Russia, unless facing an existential threat, will never be able to reproduce their Soviet wartime production. There simply isn't enough slave labour that they would have received from the republics or will to support the Putin presidency at home.
Ukraine was the industrial heart of the USSR which fed off areas Russia no longer controls.
>In fairness, it's they reason they didn't lose IMMEDIATELY.
It's the opposite. If anything, you can probably praise the Soviets for stopping Operation Barbarossa at the gates of Moscow (kek) almost all on their own. It's all the later war developments that were the result of Western Allies messing with Germany. Operation Bagration wouldn't have happened without the hundreds of thousands of Studebacker trucks and millions of tons of fuel, including high-quality aviation fuel, as well as everything else donated.
Without lend-lease, the USSR would have had similiar performance that Russia has today. With it, they managed a semi-competent form of mobile, mechanized warfare.
aaaand here come the land-lease card. good choice. dumb, but good
>aaaand here comes the 17.5 million tons of strategic materials, food aid, machine tools, locomotives, trucks, tanks, and combat aircraft card.
ftfy
I wish people still used patterns to differentiate categories on a map. I'm colour blind and most people use red/green.
>2 years pass
>the last male Russian is slain defending the gates of Moscow from the Ukrainian Hordes
At this point I'm treating these as the "Ukraine gibs" equivalent of how the MIC does things. The sky is always falling if it means the money flows easier.
Actually responding to the claim, you may have enough weapons on paper but that says nothing of their quality. Just because you have half a billion nuggets and a few thousand outdated as hell tanks laying around (and nearly all of it poorly maintained) doesn't mean they'll be effective. You have to increase the amount of weapons to compensate for how outdated they are and still be able to possibly fight a better equipped foe. There's a point where quantity also just flat isn't enough. This article would have to assume the Russians are willing to throw away as many men and as much equipment as needed no matter how bad a state it is in after "winning" which tbh isn't really that hard to believe.
Two years??!! That is no good, we need to bleed them for around 10 just like the Soviets in Afghanistan to finally get rid of them, so they stop being a threat to Europe.
We are going to have to sell them weapons so they can keep sending their young men to die in vain and destroying their economy for a couple more years until they finally collapse.
A lot more rusroaches already died in the lst year than they ever have in Afghanistan
I think the real question should not be if Russia has the ammo to remain in the war, as they spent mostly old stuff from the cold war, it should be "do they have enough manpower?" Instead
I own a bunch of guns and ammo that I can and will use on you if you dare try to take what's mine, force me into the pod, and/or make me eat the bugs.
China is the shining example for the "you will own nothing and you will be happy" crowd. The only problem they have with it is is it's Xi and the CCP controlling it, not them.
The Freemasons will break you. MKUltra did not fail. Prepare your anus.
moron the CCP ARE exactly like the freemasons. China is a cesspit of degeneracy and maoists were trained by communist garden gnomes.
Yes.
Post your nose.
On paper probably, have they accounted for all the corruption?
Doubt it. Part of pretending to be big and strong is not telling everyone it's just synthol.
>two year stalemate
>two more fucking years of each side's shills shitting up the catalogue
Okay, what will end this shit by next month? Do we just give Ukraine nukes and let them pull a Belka on their border to stop the invasion? Can we get the sides to agree to flip a coin (best 3 out of 5) and whoever wins has won the war? Can they just agree to disagree and go the fuck home?
Please, I cannot fucking take 2 more goddamn years of this shit. If I never hear about Russia or Ukraine again for the rest of my life it'll be too damn long.
Funny because that is exactly how communism works, in cum-unist china, NK and in Russia and other commie shitholes. You will only obey and you will own nothing. The only difference is that you will be really miserable and unhappy.
>freemasons
Lol, my great-grandfather was one. They don't do jack shit other than pretend they're important.
Defending Holy Russia, by destroying every church and monastery you see.
what happens after 2 years?
>CCP will be the last stand against the Freemasons
moron the Chinks would collapse faster than the WTC after getting blown up by mossad if globalism were to cease.
moron commies fight by subversion. They know they need technology and money from engaging with globalism. That said chinese elite tries to play left hand path by themselves.
>two years
The Soviet Union kept a lot of old 'outdated' machinery around. The plan was for the reserves and conscripts to turn on a tank from the 50s as it was better to have one tank than none at all.
When the article write 'two years,' that is what it means. Russia's mothballed weapons.
However, they aren't meant to be used as offensive weapons. Soviet war doctrine called for elite divisions to break through and attack strategic points while the reserves and conscripts, armed with T-34s mopped up the rear.
Whoever believes this shit?
nato
because this info was published by nato
Doesn't mean shit. If i wanted to gain more public support aka get more money, this is exactly what i would write. It's also warfare 101 to try and make the enemy believe you're afraid of them. Nothing is weaker than a confident enemy, as this war has proven time and time again
NATO does not need to waste money on lies like moscow. The truth is it is the greatest military power on earth and its weapons and soliders are the best on the planet
Good luck with that little zigger. You print that out and use it as a magic rifle plate when you get thrown into the mud pushing a blackpowder cannon on a lada riva to save moscow.
>Good luck with that little zigger. You print that out and use it as a magic rifle plate when you get thrown into the mud pushing a blackpowder cannon on a lada riva to save moscow.
>assessment of the armed forces of Ukraine
Russia's lost a lot, but posting an infographic from one of the parties fighting the war is just embarrassing.
Just two years to neuter the Russian state for a generation you say? I like the sound of that.
Russia is already fucked for a generation the insane military looses are the end of it being any sort of conventional power for good but teh slow moving vice of the economic sanctions...that's probably the end of Russia as a nation.
No it isn't, 20k losses isn't generation ending and the economy is doing great now that they're close to China. These reddit predictions are pathetic
anon, it's not 20,000 losses, it's in the ballpark of 60,000 killed and 130~,000 wounded and that's a generously low ratio of killed to wounded for how Russia has been fighting this war.
There are 16,000+ individually confirmed public obituaries and memorial posts. With the lengths Russia has gone to to conceal casualties you're insane if you think the upper bound is anywhere close to 16K
>it's in the ballpark of 60,000 killed and 130~,000 wounded
lol nice fanfic
>With the lengths Russia has gone to to conceal casualties
That's Ukraine though
You'd think if Ukraine was losing numbers much greater than Russian numbers the Russians would have taken Bakhmut already, and wouldnt have had to withdraw from Kherson and Kharkiv.
How do you cockroaches reconcile these contradictions?
I believe at this point Ukraine has lost like 3-4X their population according to Russian sources. Its all projection and part of their firehose of falsehood approach to muddy the waters around the Ukraine War. As long as Russia doesn't look like its obviously losing they can work with the uncertainty to spin their narrative.
>Communists only capable of saying NO U
100,000+ killed with addition of prisoners and DNR/LDR. Wagner had 50,000+ and now left with 10,000 after 40,000+ casualties including prob 20,000 dead
It's incredible that after everything people are still falling for Russian propaganda and even making up some of their own. The Russian economy is not doing nearly as well as they let on. Everything that comes out is a lie or fabrication designed to project an image of strength. Because in truth they have no strength. They have been creeping along on the legacy of the USSR without even understanding what made the USSR work. It wasn't secret police and the military. It was having actual higher ideals and a real sense of cooperation. As brutal as the Soviets were at least they stood for something and had to maintain some sense of order and justice to keep everyone in line. Modern Russia is a hollowed out police state run by a delusional boomer pretending to be a James Bond villain.
>without even understanding what made the USSR work. It wasn't secret police and the military. It was having actual higher ideals and a real sense of cooperation.
hahahaha
>what made the USSR work
communist countries were all corrupt shitholes that didn't give a fuck about communism
Damn if only the Communists saved us from not owning anything
inshallah my brother the black hATO devils will be eradicated
NPC dialogue, didn't read
>NPC dialogue
It's not about what you think, it's about how you think.
Your post proves if you were born in Roosia you would be happily fertilizing Ukraine's soil right now, retard.
>You might have a point if you were talking about the Soviet Union
I'm talking about both the soviets and modern day Putin's Russia.
>but even under Obama the leftists were more guilty of appeasing Putin because they thought the Cold War was over than they were straight up collaborating with him. His hard stance against the gays and the Russian state being the originator of most anti-gay, and so forth propaganda directly puts him at odds with liberals.
Putin is gay himself. He had a boyfriend during his early KGB years and even got demoted for it. His bf, a violonist, became director of St Petersbourg opera thanks to Putin's interference. He was simply against gay propaganda. A propaganda he knew about because it originated from the russian KGB in the 50's and 60's. Matter of a fact there are tons of russian fags and despite the occasional beating they're not really threaten. You can be a chud in Russia it's perfectly okay there are legal surgical operations and even official sex changes written in the law. They're more "progressives" than many western countries.
>The last time America gained any territory was in 1947 and that was only a few shitty islands. Despite having the worlds strongest military for more than half a century we haven't abused that to take land but we could have. The USA always acts in good faith and despite trying to lead by example we have never been able to convince the barbarians to do the same.
Please anon, the US colonization strategy used trade, military intervention, and economic control. The US played the same big game of RISK Europe played after WW1. Just because there was no invasion and flag raising doesn't mean there was no american will to control the destiny of other nations.
I called it NPC dialogue because it was the same list of buzzwords that all the rest of you guys rearrange ad infinitum like a chat bot
>Daily reminder your liberal leftist LGBTQIAP+ friends actually stand for Putin
You might have a point if you were talking about the Soviet Union but even under Obama the leftists were more guilty of appeasing Putin because they thought the Cold War was over than they were straight up collaborating with him. His hard stance against the gays and the Russian state being the originator of most anti-gay, and so forth propaganda directly puts him at odds with liberals.
More to the point about Ukraine. Russian posters seem not to understand that respecting the desire of people to have their own nation is fundamental to maintaining international order without falling back into the same pre-WW2 mindset that everyone can just arbitrarily declare was in conquest of more territory. The end of the Cold War was supposed to be a normalization of using diplomacy and economics to settle disputes.
The last time America gained any territory was in 1947 and that was only a few shitty islands. Despite having the worlds strongest military for more than half a century we haven't abused that to take land but we could have. The USA always acts in good faith and despite trying to lead by example we have never been able to convince the barbarians to do the same.
If Russia had been an ally worth having. If they had demonstrated any ability to have a functioning, open economy free of corruption, they probably could have convinced Ukraine to peacefully vote to rejoin them. But the Russian tendency to abuse and take advantage of others made the Ukrainians prefer fighting to the death over getting put back under the boot.
If a fair and open election in Ukraine had voluntarily wanted to rejoin Russia the rest of the world wouldn't have cared and life could have gone on as usual. But like everything touched by slavic hands and minds the Russians had to fuck things up and try to do it by force.
So now they ruin not only the Ukrainians but their own country with reckless military adventurism. Undone once again by wanting to take the easy way out instead of working hard and improving themselves. They are becoming even more of a pariah state and once the last traces of Soviet equipment have been exhausted they will cease to be relevant on the world stage.
Muscovy*
Russia does not exist
total GDP of NATO nations - $32 trillion
Russia's GDP - $1.8 trillion
Economic collapse of Russia is approaching. One brave Russian soul can end all this madness.
The more I look at that map the more fucky it gets. Some of it makes sense... then you shit like Japan taking a sliver of land on the mainland but not the entirety of Sakhalin or Kazakhstan taking a massive portion of the country. Belarus being allowed to take even a sliver of it is ridiculous. Mongolia taking that much would also be ridiculous. There's also no balkanization. Even just as a "who is managing this part" map rather than annexation it's beyond strange.
Russia is absolutely fucked and the longer this goes on the worse it gets, but I sincerely doubt that map is close to accurate.
They make outdated crap that barely has reach outside their own borders. The only places you see "Made in Russia" on products is gun stores (which is slowly but surely vanishing), milsurp shops (usually online), and mom & pop Russian stores that mostly sell food. To replace foreign products you'd have to go back to forcing people to work the jobs you need them as the Soviet Union did, the problem there is you need many of those same people to be handed an AK and tossed at Ukraine. The one thing they produce that really had a wide reach is oil and gas products.
>Ukraine is throwing everyone they can
Well, no shit. It's almost like they were invaded by a larger neighbor who is supposedly the #2 military power on the planet or something. We know they've got bad casualties, thing is you've got worse because your military is run by retards who clearly think just throwing bodies at a problem until they "win" is a good trick. Russia will be reduced to designs from the 60s at best by the end of this simply due to wasting so much on what they call "probing attacks" but everyone else recognizes as "human waves".
You have three options, pick one. Everything else is bullshit.
>Ukraine has been fighting an absolutely stellar defensive war
>Russia has actually been pathetically weak and had no business being in the #2 slot or even the top 10
>both at the same time
>giving china more clay
nope. Give japan some of that, get mongolia sea access and put the US part further to the west and it's perfect.
>The Russian economy is fine because they actually have industry
kek
>and Ukraine is known for declaring dead people as missing to not have to pay their families anything.
holy projection
>your media doesn't talk about how bad the situation there is right now.
I had no idea how bad it is. Where can I find out more of what the mainstream media is hiding from us?
>Ukraine is known for declaring dead people as missing to not have to pay their families anything.
srsly very demoralizing stuff. We can be happy to have Vladimir Vladimirovich so things like that we'll never happens in puccian military.
>Holy Mother Russia
They lost in the 17th century and got destroyed by some Muscovites.
As always, the loudest supporters of Russia are the ones least familiar with it.
>But not having cheap gas has destroyed German industry.
Was that before or after Europeans froze to death during the winter?
>this is a holy war!
>Russia will save the whites!
>y-yes Russia IS white
The head of Russia's central bank lamented last year that her nation couldn't even make nails themselves.
>What am I looking at?
Proof you’re a cretinous imbecile: Russia’s manufacturing is a small part of its GDP. Biggest is fossil fuels and second biggest is BANKING (no surprise given the massive number of garden gnomes in Israel that have Russian origin). Now go seethe, cope, dilate etc.
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not to mention the military difference. Russia loses this war. the only question is how involved NATO gets.
>German industry
Can I take a look at Russian industry?
>smacking the shit out of Ukraine
>gains can be measures in single digit miles from past front lines per 3-6 month period, pushed from several collapsed fronts including right outside Ukraine's capitol
Pick one and only one.
> Miriam Kuepper
Literally a Trainee Reporter at The Daily Mail. That's your Appeal to Authority.
Read the god damn article. They cite a Lithuanian guy. Christ why can't PrepHole do due diligence on the shit they moan about?
>"A Lithuanian guy"
>two years
lmao
america spent 20 years losing in the middle east before they fucked off and they could've easily gone for another 20 if they wanted to
the US could have gone on indefinitely, their presence in the MENA basically didn't affect their ability to intervene elsewhere at all, nor did it deplete stocks (it merely gave an excuse to modernize them.)
TWO MORE YEARS
And what then?
>Uh, guys, we literally only have our rusty, unmaintained nuclear shit from the 80s left that may or may not launch and/or hit something we aim it at. So, uh, let's forget the whole thing ever happened?
>Assuming their self reported numbers are accurate.
Into the trash it goes
>what do we want?
TOTAL RUSSIAN DEATH!
>when do we want it?
TWO MORE YEARS!
Just 'cause the prostitute im strangling is still moving dont mean she's winning the fight
>Enough ammo for 3 years in Ukraine
>When they were expecting this was enough to take on all of NATO
That's probably because all that cheap surplus ammo we were buying wasn't supposed to be surplus. But Ivan needed a new house, car, passport, and now identity and those cost some serious rubles. Nobody was gonna notice that he sold a little off the top every year right?
Doesn't that mean that we're already one third there?
I don't see any reason why this war wouldn't continue for another few years...
Its not goingt o be two years OP.......Its nice to see Russia is now trying to be optimistic about how long they can last now that they have lost and there is no chance of winning but I'm afraid that's an ultra cautious NATO estimate, a 'worst case' Russia is not going to last that long at all, not even one year. Pic related.