I honestly wonder why nobody has invented some small radar controlled turret with a large gauge shotgun. That would end 90% of all drone and loitering munitions problems for good.
Shit, even putting a dude with a Mossman on every second vehicle would do the trick for starters
>the russian brilliance is in its simplicity.
it tackles problems without overcomplicating things.
when russian engineers weld cages, I take notes. >Cope
Cope cages are just a placebo, no problems were tackled.
Because it would shoot at passing bird and every soldier/civillian in it's radius.
If you limit it to a certein height people will just fly low to attack, if you don't everything gets shot.
You could program it to only respond to objects travelling at a certain speed. I doubt your average civvie is going to be travelling at the same speed as a missile. Now this would probably have issues with any low-flying aircraft it detects, but I figure since it's basically a really big shotgun, it shouldn't really be capable of penetrating the fuselage, at least nothing major. Would just waste shells, which means the system could in theory be spoofed with a bunch of fast objects to exhaust it's ammo before the killing strike is actually delivered. Still, the act of getting spoofed like that would be an early warning system in itself, buying time for the crew to get the tank out of missile range.
Of course, none of this is possible for the Russian army because they're stuck 60 years in the past technologically, but we could probably do it ourselves. Yeah, drone jammers and the like are more efficient, but I want this too. Wouldn't hurt.
Because you’d just need radiation guided missiles to home onto them. Imagine not ever needing to see the tank and can just “pit bull” radiation guided missiles at them
Because it would shoot at passing bird and every soldier/civillian in it's radius.
If you limit it to a certein height people will just fly low to attack, if you don't everything gets shot.
>what is a hackRF with proper SDR that only permits the turret to care about data streams with a high likelihood of being a hostile drone and correlates that with radar signatures with a high likelihood of being a drone
Basically the answer is because it requires a networked multi-sensor IFF-enabled battlespace that even the US hasn't rolled out for realisies yet and that the russians have no hope of achieving in the current situation
even a hedgehog can see
Cope cages are a shit idea in any environment, but tankers, especially conscripts, love to reduce their chance of survival any way they can. >oooooh, no, I have no awareness, despite my 360 camera view and multiple infantry escorts, better drive with my head out so I can be sniped first in case of an ambush >oooh, Joey said our tanks are a deatht-trap, better strap bundles of garbadge on the front of the tank to make it slower, less maneuverable and make it guzzle more gas, surely that will protect me from an 88mm to the rear
This is the problem with smekalka when dealing with complicated issues.
Slat armour has to have specific dimensions of the design, they aren't just stand off armour. The space between the slats are important and play role in how they defeat certain threats.
I don't think the concept is terrible, but only in very specific situations like urban combat, and it will need a fuckload more refinement to make it safe for the tankers.
Hard to believe that it only took a year for cope cages to go from being a joke to being considered an essential innovation of warfare. By 2030, any armoured vehicle without a cage would be looked at like they were a Mark 1 or A7V roaming the battlefield.
The tourists have become really quite about cage armor.
Russian and Ukranian soldiers are revolutionizing warfare and Russia has been adapting to problems caused by Western technology for over a year now.
There have been way less SMOOKER incidents in the last months because Russia got better at hiding their stashes and decentralizing storage.
I'm curious where we will stand at the end of this and I hope that our militaries are taking notes.
Slat armor has existed since WWII. However, everybody except Russia understood that they were just cheap modifications to defeat basic bitch AT weapons like RPGs and HEAT shells, not full size ATGMs.
Actually they were designed to defeat solid shot from 14mm, 37mm, and 57mm rounds. They also only really showed up on light and medium tanks of German design since they were so small and had already reached their weight limit by 1942 that they couldn’t do anything else to armor them. That spaced armor was incidentally effective against HEAT was more a happy accident. Even today spaced armor is more about defeating solid shot by bleeding force via deflection than dealing with HEAT.
first semyorka
now anti-drone umbrellas...
this is another sputnik
I honestly wonder why nobody has invented some small radar controlled turret with a large gauge shotgun. That would end 90% of all drone and loitering munitions problems for good.
Shit, even putting a dude with a Mossman on every second vehicle would do the trick for starters
the russian brilliance is in its simplicity.
it tackles problems without overcomplicating things.
when russian engineers weld cages, I take notes.
>the russian brilliance is in its simplicity.
it tackles problems without overcomplicating things.
when russian engineers weld cages, I take notes.
>Cope
Cope cages are just a placebo, no problems were tackled.
you haven't understood the proper mechanics of the system
Because it would shoot at passing bird and every soldier/civillian in it's radius.
If you limit it to a certein height people will just fly low to attack, if you don't everything gets shot.
You could program it to only respond to objects travelling at a certain speed. I doubt your average civvie is going to be travelling at the same speed as a missile. Now this would probably have issues with any low-flying aircraft it detects, but I figure since it's basically a really big shotgun, it shouldn't really be capable of penetrating the fuselage, at least nothing major. Would just waste shells, which means the system could in theory be spoofed with a bunch of fast objects to exhaust it's ammo before the killing strike is actually delivered. Still, the act of getting spoofed like that would be an early warning system in itself, buying time for the crew to get the tank out of missile range.
Of course, none of this is possible for the Russian army because they're stuck 60 years in the past technologically, but we could probably do it ourselves. Yeah, drone jammers and the like are more efficient, but I want this too. Wouldn't hurt.
Because you’d just need radiation guided missiles to home onto them. Imagine not ever needing to see the tank and can just “pit bull” radiation guided missiles at them
>what is a hackRF with proper SDR that only permits the turret to care about data streams with a high likelihood of being a hostile drone and correlates that with radar signatures with a high likelihood of being a drone
Basically the answer is because it requires a networked multi-sensor IFF-enabled battlespace that even the US hasn't rolled out for realisies yet and that the russians have no hope of achieving in the current situation
even a hedgehog can see
2 drones coming in from opposite directions at the same time make this obsolete from the start
Cope cages are actually a good idea for urban warfare as they sto RPGs coming from above, dunno about all the seethe and the 404s
>Cope cages cope
Cope cages are not slat armour.
Cope cages are a shit idea in any environment, but tankers, especially conscripts, love to reduce their chance of survival any way they can.
>oooooh, no, I have no awareness, despite my 360 camera view and multiple infantry escorts, better drive with my head out so I can be sniped first in case of an ambush
>oooh, Joey said our tanks are a deatht-trap, better strap bundles of garbadge on the front of the tank to make it slower, less maneuverable and make it guzzle more gas, surely that will protect me from an 88mm to the rear
This is the problem with smekalka when dealing with complicated issues.
Slat armour has to have specific dimensions of the design, they aren't just stand off armour. The space between the slats are important and play role in how they defeat certain threats.
glownaggers gonna glownig
the russian brilliance is in its simplicity.
it tackles problems without overcomplicating things.
when russian engineers weld cages, I take notes.
I'm going to be honest. You aren't even wrong
I don't think the concept is terrible, but only in very specific situations like urban combat, and it will need a fuckload more refinement to make it safe for the tankers.
Hard to believe that it only took a year for cope cages to go from being a joke to being considered an essential innovation of warfare. By 2030, any armoured vehicle without a cage would be looked at like they were a Mark 1 or A7V roaming the battlefield.
bait too obvious
This prevents people from dropping cinder blocks and bricks on their head from a 10 story building.
The tourists have become really quite about cage armor.
Russian and Ukranian soldiers are revolutionizing warfare and Russia has been adapting to problems caused by Western technology for over a year now.
There have been way less SMOOKER incidents in the last months because Russia got better at hiding their stashes and decentralizing storage.
I'm curious where we will stand at the end of this and I hope that our militaries are taking notes.
Can't take notes. All the notepads were given to Ukraine and Israel and are currently in Mexico.
The cope cage was initially made to stop javelins, and it was useless at that role
Its somewhat useful at stopping drone bombings, but it has a ton of downsides
>makes exiting the tank more difficult during an emergency
>reduces visibility
>makes the tank itself more visible to the enemy
Its an ok solution NOW, but is a technological dead end once these drones start dropping tandem warheads or 120mm mortar rounds
Its arguably already borderline obsolete with the introduction of FPV drones
That being saod the merkava has a slight advantage thanks to the rear hatch, meaning exiting the tank is less complicated even with this shit on top
Slat armor has existed since WWII. However, everybody except Russia understood that they were just cheap modifications to defeat basic bitch AT weapons like RPGs and HEAT shells, not full size ATGMs.
Actually they were designed to defeat solid shot from 14mm, 37mm, and 57mm rounds. They also only really showed up on light and medium tanks of German design since they were so small and had already reached their weight limit by 1942 that they couldn’t do anything else to armor them. That spaced armor was incidentally effective against HEAT was more a happy accident. Even today spaced armor is more about defeating solid shot by bleeding force via deflection than dealing with HEAT.
They should grow some grapevines on them for shade and yummy grapes.