>38,450 (+150) military personnel
that's twice what we lost in Nam in 78
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/XXEvvgs.jpg
Or Bees
Basically Russia has lost half its tanks, half its ground force personnel, 1/5th of its air force and 1/5th of its artillery (if you count vast worthless reserves that go bang). In reality Russia has lost ALL of its 1200 tanks modernised since 2000, ALL of their professional contract forces that were in the 120,000 sent in the initial invasion. They now euthanise the severely burned and injured in military hospitals due to disruption in the medical supply chain. The suicide rate amongst doctors and nurses in military hospitals has doubled. Grim Grim Grim stuff. Congratulations Vlad you completely fricked up Russia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
If you were feeling that the Ukrainians are understating Russian losses by about 20% you would be nearer reality
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
Is that because it is not a war but just a special military operation?
2 years ago
Anonymous
None of this matters though due to nooks. >Captcha: NJGGR
I really wish they'd separate it by losses by branch of military as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The vast majority are concentrated in the ground forces where are approaching 50% kia/mia/wia and by wia I mean properly maimed for life missing limb/tarded/melty monster
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know, but saying they've lost 85% of initial invasion forces then following it up by saying 18% of their total military personnel creates a distorted image when the Russian Ground Forces is only about 31% of their total military personnel.
Even if Ukraine was to surrender (which it won't, considering how much support they are getting) Russia would still need more tanks, the IED these people would make in an insurgency would probably be the most advanced ever seen. This isn't the kind of war that ends with a surrender.
It’s dumb projecting the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan onto Ukraine. Zelensky’s regime has recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping.
I remember that
Early on in the war the NLAW was their favourite arm to greet russians with, but an impressively wide variety of other arms were used as well
>It’s dumb projecting the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan onto Ukraine. Zelensky’s regime has recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping.
>still no source
You GOTTA come up with better bait than this if you wanna avoid looking like a complete fricking tool, vatBlack person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is the part where you cry “NOOO not that source, these proofs are not proving anything” like a good little shill who will earn their Elgin AFB monkeypox service badge
2 years ago
Anonymous
Where is the actual video, you absolute dipshit? Anyone can post a non-descriptive screencap and slap on a caption with whatever they want.
Even shilling from a script can’t hide how much of a dumb frick you are personally lol
NY Times even mentioned questionable “street recruiting” practices in Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/world/middleeast/ukraine-soldiers-recruitment-draft.html
This is a fricking war of national survival against total extermination. Everyone who can fight should be fighting anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So we have come full circle with hohol coping
>Ukraine will have an insurgency even if Russia wins
Then why do they have to drive around abducting people and forcing them to fight now? >they don’t! You made that up! VATNIK VATNIK VATNIK!!!1!!!!one!!!1
proofs provided >well that’s what they should be doing anyway
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine will have an insurgency even if Russia wins
Which is what's happening in Kherson
Even shilling from a script can’t hide how much of a dumb frick you are personally lol
NY Times even mentioned questionable “street recruiting” practices in Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/world/middleeast/ukraine-soldiers-recruitment-draft.html
https://i.imgur.com/3zMm8IY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oe2ktkr.jpg
This is the part where you cry “NOOO not that source, these proofs are not proving anything” like a good little shill who will earn their Elgin AFB monkeypox service badge
I mean you're right but for the completely wrong reasons. There's nothing unusual about a draft of male citizens when your country is being invaded, literally every fricking nation in the world would and has done it.
That said insurgencies in Afghanistan had very favorable terrain, were fighting an enemy that was literally on the other side of the world, and were religious fundamentalist extremists.
Ukraine has terrible flat terrain for a defense, is on Russia's doorstep, and the regions Russia is trying to hold have a sizable Russian population already in them. Insurgency in the eastern regions is kind of a dumb meme. Ukraine will probably only win this conventionally, which they very well might.
what are the current odds for Ukraine?
they seem to have an unlimited supply of shit and Russia kinda seems like its running out of shit.
Like, 100,000 conscripts won't help much if all your armor is dead...right?
>recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping >proofs: oh heres a single news article saying Ukraine is handing out conscription notices
kek. Next time read your own links before posting them moron.
He's only counting the ones people send in photos or videos of. IIRC people were estimating he was counting about 40% of actual losses.
Minusrus says the Russians have lost 1738 tanks so far, which is far above what the Russians originally committed to the invasion last February. The fact that they're sending T-64's to the front lines now pretty much proves they've run out of modern tanks in their reserve rustpiles.
>Oryx has kind of given up btw >He's far, far behind the real number
See
https://i.imgur.com/np67R4t.jpg
>Toyota with mashine gun, still relevant.
Lada granta with machine gun when?
This step seems obvious.
REAL FIGURES
Details: Total combat losses of the Russian forces between 24 February and 18 July 2022 comprise approximately:
38,450 (+150) military personnel
1,687 (+3) tanks
3,886 (+7) armoured combat vehicles
849 (+3) artillery systems
248 (+0) multiple rocket launchers
113 (+3) pieces of air defence equipment
220 (+0) planes
188 (+0) helicopters
690 (+2) operational-tactical UAVs
166 (+0) cruise missiles
15 (+0) ships/boats
2,753 (+7) pieces of automotive equipment and fuel tanks
70 (+2) pieces of special equipment
And that does not clue:
Radiation poisoning
Friendly fire
Suicide
Fratricide
Desertion
Accidents
Missing
Prisoner of war
And remember we are talking about Russians here literally the world leaders in self irradiation, suicide, fratricide, accidents and friendly fire.
kek, Ukraine getting BTFO by tanks that are twice as old as their "Country". The only thing older than those tanks might be Ukraine's latest batch of draftees
Yes, and this original Ukrainian nation, countless centuries ago, allied with Egypt in the great kangs war, being the first to deploy laser weapons. This is why Ukraine should be paid royalties on any laser diodes manufactured today.
do you dispute that Kievian Rus was a thing before the Dutchy of Muscovy?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kievan rus is a term coined in 19th century, Kiev was an extension of the Rus state which started in Novgorod after Novgorodians captured Kiev from some brown slavs
2 years ago
Anonymous
>which started in Novgorod after Novgorodians
Ie, not in Moscow.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So...Ukrainians are the real Russians? Idk, mite b based. Ukrainian revanchists sweeping across the central plains in steel chariots...
Russia: We sent the first man to space
USA: We sent the first man to the moon
Ukraine: We wuz kangs countless centuries ago we swear
2 years ago
Anonymous
USSR was Ukraine and Russia moron lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek, modern day ukraine's only claim to dignity is being part of Russia a few decades ago
2 years ago
Anonymous
Be real here, that's all Russia can claim too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dignity >Russia
Russia has always been a failure. To the average citizen from the Czar to the Reds to the current Mafia state, poverty has been the order of the day. Ukraine sees what direction all the real dignity is and that is why it is desperate to escape to Europe. Ukraine is worse than Russia because of Russia, same with every country in it's rapidly dwindling sphere of influence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the soviet union send the first man into space, russia just likes to take credit for it
2 years ago
Anonymous
The head of the soviet space program, Korolev, was ukrainian. What the frick are you talking about?
Russian tanks have long since stopped being formed into armor spearheads. They now sit in the back like pussies and wait for artillery to clear the way, lest they get an NLAW to the ass from behind any bush.
i think its telling that russia is buying hundreds of drones from iran instead of buying ground vehicles like tanks or apcs. it's clear that the future of war now revolves around drones. tanks are old and busted, literally.
Now that Russia is starting to use T-62s the only people who can help Russia with tanks is the DPRK since they are the only nation capable of making replacement parts. The only compatible parts Iran has come from North Korea or are made in joint ventures with them.
We are holding to the mutual agreement Trump made with the North to ignore each other so it is unlikely Russia can get parts that way without paying a price in goods and pride they are unwilling to make.
russia have more tanks and disposable crew than the NATO has ATGM and artillery shell. plus they repair some anyways
russia's cause is just, victory will be theirs
>"The period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end. Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev? That the Russians will forever be a divided people?"
Posted a day or so after invasion, retracted shamefully shortly thereafter, archived for posterity and to BTFO disingenuous homosexuals like you
>seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev?
That one in particular has got to sting, hm?
to think images like this was russian government sponsored propaganda all along
Russian shills were taking over fricking bigfoot forums back in the 2000s in an effort to radicalize boomer conspiracy theorists. Their propaganda goes deep, anon.
I don't think you've noticed, but all soviet and russian tanks store ammo inside the hull and usually blow up catastrophically after a penetrating hit. Also ukrs had access to those tanks for quite some time.
I'm sure many of their good tanks are still up, and they've got a near endless supply of T-80s before they start dragging out the older T-72s. The T-62s are just for their Ukrainian militias.
I predict Russia will have manpower problems before they have serious material problems.
Buddy, you realize they STARTED with T-80s, right? They even kept it going after they didn't reach their three day deadline and still kept it going for like a month after that.
I don't know why NATO people are celebrating this? Ukraine is never going to become a safe space for gays and trannies.
At this point Ukraine and Russia speak eye to eye, like brothers do. But in 5 years time or so, Ukraine and Russia will remember they're brothers again, and then Russia will have access to all the NATO goodies you're sending over.
Get fricking real Vatnik. Ukrainians will never forgive Russia for this war. You maybe had a chance if you were actually able to capture Kyiv in 3 days like Putin planned but after 5 months and tens of thousands at the very least dead Ukrainians will never forgive Russia. Probably every single Ukrainian knows a family member or friend who was killed or maimed by a Russian missile, bullet or bomb. Regardless of who wins this war the hate will run deep and never truly fade.
This war will be Ukraine's founding mythos. From the horror of this war Ukrainians will abandon the narrative of Russian brotherhood in favour of a distinct Ukrainian history, language and culture. Any idea of a united Russky Mir is dead. Killed by a seventy year old manlet in the Kremlin whose dementia made him dream that he was the restorer of the Soviet Union.
Yes, just how Japan hates us for firebombing all their citizens and nuking them twice.
Founding mythos. Jesus fricking christ the fan fiction fantasies.
What is hard to understand about the fact that America occupied Japan and was able to compel them to accept the American version of how the war started, progressed and finished?
I didn't think that was difficult to understand, myself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean exactly how Russia is going to occupy Ukraine?
Good thing you are coming around to it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, Russia's going to lose. You don't even sound convinced yourself of your position to be honest senpai.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Russia will occupy Ukraine any day now says increasingly nervous Vatnik on his 170th day, 3 day operation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
doubt.jpg
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jesus, I legitimately can't tell if there are any differences between those last two pictures.
2 years ago
Anonymous
in between those pictures is the total collapse of the UAF and 6 gorillion dead hohols
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope vatnik. Ukraine is taking back those territories despite your denials.
You fricking moron. How fricking stupid do you have to be to think that the circumstances between Japan and America in the Pacific conflict could be contrasted with the present war in Ukraine?
You ruined your own fricking argument by brining up WW2 Japan in the first place anyhow. Why don't you think for a second and look at how Korea and China, two nations that actually experienced invasion much like Ukraine is now view the nips.
Japan and Germany were actually liberated from a criminal regime and got the benefit of freedom of speech and the American way of life. If Russians took over Ukraine it would be nothing like that. There would be guerilla forever.
Ehh in Japan and Germans case both got uplifted and invested in heavily by America that objectively turned them into economic power houses. So the bigger relations they are allies is all the help and aid given afterwards to let them stand on their feet instead of just suffering under the boot.
Burgers attempted that in Iraq Africa and Afghanistan but the locals were kind of too useless to actually accomplish anything compared to Japan and Germany with the same amount of aid.
>will remember they're brothers again
Oh yeah, surely they won't hold any grudges against Russia. Just like none of the old soviet satellites did. This war, rape and abuse will actually bring Ukraine closer to Russia and not make them want to have closer ties to countries that have not invaded it. Lmao. Russia is a barren shithole with a dictator running the show. The people are dumb serfs who are kept in check by propaganda and border wars. Anyone with a brain is fleeing to west :3
>we will wait until they run out of men then they will surrender
france took 5 million casualties in ww1 with a very similar population to modern ukraine, and that cost millions of german lives to accomplish
vatniks can't even mobilize their reserves because the oligarchs think it will start a civil war lol
the only hope for puccia is to pull off a miracle on the vistula level breakthrough at this point
Russia's tank factory isn't able to make any more. Russia relies entirely on the west for high tech components like FCS, night vision, computers etc. It can't make it's own and Chinese copies can't compensate. Also, Russia uses exclusively Western machine tools, with service contracts with Western companies. It can't service it's machine tools now, so they're steadily breaking down and they are not able to replace them, either with domestic versions or Chinese.
They can just make more dumbass
It's Russia, after all
Holy shit /k/ is moronic
>Chinese copies >Digging out T-62s
China never produced or used the T-62, North Korea is the only nation besides the USSR that ever produced it and the only place you can get new components.
>Russia relies entirely on the west for high tech components like FCS, night vision, computers etc.
You don't need those for older models
Again you're an idiot, same with the rest of this board
Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time, then it turned out they still had the production capacity to make more
>Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time, then it turned out they still had the production capacity to make more
No, I don't remember this. I've heard people say they will run out of missiles or shells but haven't seen anything to suggest they're actually producing more than they use.
I can remember seeing about 0 claims they would run out of bullets. Notice you haven't event tried to answer the point about missiles or artillery shells so yeah I think you might just be a /misc/ tourist with learning disabilities.
Russia hasn't produced a new tank for over 20 years, they lost a year of production because they had to send a lend lease machine made in 1942 back to Ohio to be fixed in the 1990s.
The one time they tried to make prototypes in the last 3 decades it caught fire in a victory day parade. By their own numbers they have managed to make one T-14 for every year the USSR has been gone.
>Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time,
If you are referring to some of the posts I made I suggest your recollection is lacking (you should have a test for early onset dementia) What was said was that the rus would run out of what was allocated for the war, which they did and were forced to dip into their reserves to continue.
GUYS I JUST READ ON REDDIT THAT RUSSIA IS RUNNING OUT OF [insert thing] HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THEY HOLD OUT???? GHOST OF KIEV BLESS THIS POST!!! I PRAY TO SAINT JAVLIN EVERY NIGHT BEFORE BED!!!
>700 years of vatniks shitting up europe comes to an end with demographic collapse
would have preferred to let the germans finish the job 80 years ago but I'll take it
yes, but there's one problem. While ethnic russian population is collapsing, muslim minorities have positive TRF. There'll be a russian caliphate before a french one.
I mean they probably have an enormous stockpile of spare rounds. The T-62 was never as widely exported as the T-55 and T-72. The question is: In what condition are those rounds? That's a real concern. In 2003 the US Army assessed some of its old 105mm stockpiles for use in the M1128 MGS and found that a good chunk were beyond usability.
Russia still has significant stock of stuff it considers "obsolete".
Remember how they claimed they no longer had T-62s or BMP-1s and suddenly they showed up in Ukraine? Tochka?
>beyond usability
i don't think there's a word for that in russian military jargon
I mean they probably have an enormous stockpile of spare rounds. The T-62 was never as widely exported as the T-55 and T-72. The question is: In what condition are those rounds? That's a real concern. In 2003 the US Army assessed some of its old 105mm stockpiles for use in the M1128 MGS and found that a good chunk were beyond usability.
I have doubts regarding the safety status of ammunition subjected to 15-20 years more 'deep storage' than the reserves Russia is currently using.
1 and 3 are true, they just had a moronic number of tanks in storage since Soviet Union was doing little else than stockpiling weapons through their entire existence
Russia having to dip into their Cold War stock after five months in Ukraine kinda fricks Putin's "In a day, I could be in Warsaw, Riga, Kyiv, etc." speech that he gave a few years ago.
So what if Russia's gas delivery cuts by 80% aren't caused by deliberate action, but due to their equipment breaking down and them being unable to replace and/or maintain it?
last time the wells froze up it took 20 years to get their production back to 80s volumes. All work done by western companies and maintained by western companies. They will remember the 90s as happy times compred to 2020s lul.
>last time the wells froze up it took 20 years to get their production back to 80s volumes
Thirty years, and that was oil, not gas - until December of 2021.
The thing that never ceases to amaze me were the shortages on ANYTHING in the USSR. In the 1920s and 30s the Communists clearly demonstrated that they weren't above simply confiscating food and shooting those whom they thought would be working against government orders and quotas, and that worked somewhat. Why didn't they keep at it when people had to wait literally hours in breadlines?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because it doesn't work? You can only steal until there's nothing left to steal. You can only execute "saboteurs" until there's no one left to do the work. Pure emotion does not change reality, no matter how much schizos (religious or commie) would like it so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can only execute "saboteurs"
Then relocate some frickers from frick knows where to the place where you expected your food to be grown, and don't even attempt to clean up the blood.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As Russia is so kindly demonstrating to us: you can lead a (few ten thousand) fools from the most backwater oblast of Russia to a place, but you can't make them think. Whip the mule all you like, it's still not going to win a race.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not suggesting to whip the mule. I'm suggesting to kill it, get a new one, and leave the rotting carcass as a warning. If that doesn't work, go to 10.
2 years ago
Anonymous
While I'm a great fan of the old "use violence, if that doesn't work use more violence" adage, it just doesn't work when the problems are technical or scientific in nature. Reality doesn't care how much blood you sacrifice to it, it won't budge unless you do it right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't see the problem here: >agriculture is neither technical nor scientific >so you can just kill your moronic peasants if they don't work >if they can't work because agriculture is industrialized and requires stuff like fuel or spare parts, then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
If the people in charge of those are unable (as opposed to unwilling) to access fuel or tech, then they'll go hungry because they can't do otherwise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is the fricking Soviet Union we're talking about. If they had one thing it's oil (Siberia) and tech (Ukraine). Apparently the USSR really had gone soft at some point and just stopped showing the consequences of workers not working - no wonder they lost the Cold War.
2 years ago
Anonymous
carrot or the stick but they only had sticks in the first place.certainly not a sign of a working system.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
Now you're just being disingenuous. Agriculture is 100% technical in nature. If you want an example of non-technical agriculture, refer to the CHAZ community garden (amusingly also done by commies).
>if they can't work because agriculture is industrialized and requires stuff like fuel or spare parts, then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
That is a bit closer to the actual root of the problem: communism fails at market efficiency because it tries to regulate everything top-down. It's not just micro-management, it's micro-management by idiots who are more interested in making sure no (other) idiots threaten their position.
2 years ago
Anonymous
commie morons like this help me remember why every commie revolution ends with millions starving
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they just weren't radical ENOUGH >if they had killed more people brutally and publicly it would've worked
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, if commies would 100% exterminate themselves it would definitely solve all the problems associated with it
>Commies are proto-Chaos worshippers
2 years ago
Anonymous
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
Okay, so you're just moronic. You would have fit in well in S*viet R*ssia. Their Powers That Be were full of drooling mouthbreathers such as yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually, no, agriculture can be neither technical nor scientific, but in that case it resembles more than what the Chinese did before the Open Door policy, which was just large-scale gardening. Very labor-intensive, but if all you have are moronic peasants who want to die anyway ... well, the yields are pretty good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yields are terrible, you mean. You then need 99 peasants to produce enough food for 100 people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're exaggerating, but yes, as I said it's a labor-intensive process. But it also requires the least amount of land and resources since each plant is given individual care.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still wont work. you need correct seeds, correct fertilizers, correct irrigation system. Modern agriculture is 100% technical. sure you can grow crops the old way, but you can only sustain a pre industrial population with that method. That means closet to 80% of your population dies
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even pre-industrial agriculture was incredibly advanced. Shit like crop rotation and such took centuries (or millennia) to figure out for a reason. It's not an easy endeavor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you want agriculture woth no technical skills whatsoever you could go all the way back to the nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, living in an area for a season or two and then moving on for a while so that the land can regenerate.
Of course that requires a deeply intimate knowledge of the landscape and ecosystem that your tribe is a part of, accumulated over thousands of generations of experience and tradition - but at least you don't have to know how to drive a tractor!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
If the people in charge of those are unable (as opposed to unwilling) to access fuel or tech, then they'll go hungry because they can't do otherwise.
might i introduce you to this tremendous homosexual?
He basically thought that genes are a degenerate western bourgeoisie invention and gulag'd hundreds of other scientists who dared critique his pet Lysenkoism theory.
In the end a solid chunk of responsibility for massive famines in the USSR and China can be awarded to him
2 years ago
Anonymous
He does look a little bit like Rasputin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That Rasputin-Lysenko-Dugin phenotype. A returning curse throughout the ages.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He does look a little bit like Rasputin.
That Rasputin-Lysenko-Dugin phenotype. A returning curse throughout the ages.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope that there is an afterlife so Fritz Haber can beat you up for eternity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
oh really... so that's why commies always create famines
2 years ago
Anonymous
the wall was the biggest confession that this system will not survive.
Not very high they have food its just too fricking expensive to by going by some of the Russians living in Rostov. He was saying all the shelves are pretty full but no one is really buying anything due to the prices. They have a bigger shortage of electronics and car parts but everything else is plentiful just fricking expensive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He also mentioned Food quailty also went to shit for example 73-80 milkfat butter has been replaced with 40-56% abomination butter mixed with some awful filler but for the same price.
He additionally mentions importing electronics is awful because no one accepts rubles official value so they are basically paying an extra 50-100% and have to wait several weeks for shipments
Vladivostok is encircled!
Putin has Ebola and stage 6 cancer and is moments away from death!
Slowly losing land for months is merely part of the counter attack!
US estimates had them at like 45-50k russian dead, which is a shit ton for so little gained. The US lost 2448 in Afghanistan and 4491 in Iraq. And that was with 20+ years of war, russia is 5 months in and is having a disastrous causality rate.
here's a quote from Strelkov from 1.5 months ago btw >Therefore, by leaning on these fortifications they are counting on stopping and exhausting us. The Donetsk infantry is 70% gone, at least the professionals
https://wartranslated.com/igor-girking-predicts-a-battle-for-the-initiative-10-june-2022/
in Afganistan, soviets lost 14k men with following equipment losses, we could try to extrapolate it with oryx list
451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
147 tanks
1,314 IFV/APCs
433 artillery guns and mortars
>How long can it keep this up?
It is never just Russia. >"There are no upper limits to military coordination between our two countries."
It's Russia and Red China. If they aren't cheating and selling things on the side - as the Chinese have with '70% of the world's grain reserves' - then the PRC supposedly has enough energy and raw materials for maybe half a decade of war/isolation.
Why did you quote me? I never denied that Ukraine was conscripting random men but that's not particularly out of the ordinary for a country being invaded.
Wew, Americlaps sure like to elect some of the most moronic amongst them. And we thought they couldn't get anyone dumber than Palin; boy, were we wrong ...
Boebert is a stripper with glasses. Dumb as a rock and fueled by hate. Same goes for Greene, Gatz and all those other morons that voted AGAINST a human trafficking bill just recently.
Based, she agrees with more and more Americans. Stop wasting tax dollars on shitholes like Ukraine and Somalia. If anything, a Russian takeover of Eastern Europe would drastically reduce the amount of garbage and spam from butthurt belters polluting American sites like mosquito larvae
Your own lil' infographic shows R*ssia outnumbering Ukraine in every regard but long-range artillery and personnel, although of course this completely neglects LDNR forces where most of the fighting is actually taking place.
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None of these ''''''sources'''''' (LMAO@the random captioned screengrab) detail conscription of, I quote, "unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping". Not that one would expect a R*ssian to know the difference.
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Your own lil' infographic shows R*ssia outnumbering Ukraine in every regard but long-range artillery and personnel, although of course this completely neglects LDNR forces where most of the fighting is actually taking place.
there it is, the mind broken butthurt belter, who is too afraid to even spell the name of Russia, like a israelite writing G-D.
My sides, not even him, but you realise this is exactly why the rest of the world makes fun of you?
The whole >No it's all Russophobia, we would never... etc >You will be next!
You might wanna check again who's doing the consuming. Also, yes, I definitely am next on the menu. The decrepit, thoroughly corrupt shithole that is R*ssia and its piss-poor excuse of an army, which couldn't even conquer its tiny neighbor after almost half a year, is definitely gonna come after my nation next, a NATO member. Dream on, you vodka-pickled prick.
>who is doing the consuming
??
Which country has lost control of territory to the other in this war? You are doing the fetal alcohol Poland style of arguing where everything is repeated back as a “no u” without even checking if it makes sense. NATO might offer protection for now, But it’s an interesting long term strategy when your country is about as important to US voters as dolphin safe tuna fishing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ackshually Europe and the Pacific are the only regions Americans give a shit about, based on boots on the ground.
2 years ago
Anonymous
interesting take, since there's tens of millions of voters in the US with polish ancestry
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Which country has lost control of territory to the other in this war?
That's like a German asking this question of a R*ssian in 1943. You're too blind to see which way the wind blows and thankfully the same is apparently true of your leadership class. R*ssia is hemorrhaging troops, equipment and money whereas Ukraine is getting bankrolled by the largest, wealthiest political bloc in human history. I wonder who's gonna be victorious in the end. The latter or Snow Nigeria with its economy the size of Italy and a population as AIDS-riddled and drug-addicted as any third world country? Not to mention its incredibly corrupt and mismanaged military. Tough call.
Why are Russian's still trying to pull this? You've been reduced to trench warfare tactics against a country you have a massive Armour and aircraft advantage over, a country which is still mostly using soviet hand-me downs. Good luck winning against the Alliance that outnumbers you with modern tanks, modern fighter jets, and modern naval vessels.
None of these ''''''sources'''''' (LMAO@the random captioned screengrab) detail conscription of, I quote, "unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping". Not that one would expect a R*ssian to know the difference.
Zelensky lies to his western vassal about the successes of the Ukrainian army and makes a show of it. The Second Stage will end with the capture of Slavyansk and the battle for Donbass will end with the victory of the Russian army. Then the counterattack of the Ukrainian army on the Kherson-Nykolaiv direction will have a catastrophe. Russia will take Odessa and make a corridor to Pridnestrovie. The troops of the Western Military District will take Kharkov. Then, like the cherry on the cake, the Russian-Belarusian group will go to Kiev and force Zelensky to sign the surrender.
In 2024 special agent Donald Trumpov will arrange civil war in the United States.
Where is the actual video, you absolute dipshit? Anyone can post a non-descriptive screencap and slap on a caption with whatever they want.
[...]
None of these ''''''sources'''''' (LMAO@the random captioned screengrab) detail conscription of, I quote, "unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping". Not that one would expect a R*ssian to know the difference.
t-55 us still perfectly capable tank btw
honestly t-34s are perfectly adequate for the needs of the special military operation
what needs are those?
to embarrass your military in a grandiose manner
vatBlack person coffins
Coffins
Scrap metal donations.
Portable dogfood dispensers.
Special.
jej
bulletproof, has cannon and treads.
special needs
Meat cauldrons
Existing
banan
scrap metal
Needs?
Special needs for special military operation.
Special needs for special military operation
>t-34
You mean the T-26 surely comrade?
Toyota with mashine gun, still relevant.
BS…a Toyota Hilux with ten slingers in the back.
Imagine a Hilux with a turret with 4 groups of 4 RPGs synced up
>Toyota with mashine gun, still relevant.
Lada granta with machine gun when?
This step seems obvious.
REAL FIGURES
Details: Total combat losses of the Russian forces between 24 February and 18 July 2022 comprise approximately:
38,450 (+150) military personnel
1,687 (+3) tanks
3,886 (+7) armoured combat vehicles
849 (+3) artillery systems
248 (+0) multiple rocket launchers
113 (+3) pieces of air defence equipment
220 (+0) planes
188 (+0) helicopters
690 (+2) operational-tactical UAVs
166 (+0) cruise missiles
15 (+0) ships/boats
2,753 (+7) pieces of automotive equipment and fuel tanks
70 (+2) pieces of special equipment
>38,450 (+150) military personnel
that's twice what we lost in Nam in 78
Basically Russia has lost half its tanks, half its ground force personnel, 1/5th of its air force and 1/5th of its artillery (if you count vast worthless reserves that go bang). In reality Russia has lost ALL of its 1200 tanks modernised since 2000, ALL of their professional contract forces that were in the 120,000 sent in the initial invasion. They now euthanise the severely burned and injured in military hospitals due to disruption in the medical supply chain. The suicide rate amongst doctors and nurses in military hospitals has doubled. Grim Grim Grim stuff. Congratulations Vlad you completely fricked up Russia.
I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
>I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
If you were feeling that the Ukrainians are understating Russian losses by about 20% you would be nearer reality
>I feel like some of this may be exaggerated
Is that because it is not a war but just a special military operation?
None of this matters though due to nooks.
>Captcha: NJGGR
I really wish they'd separate it by losses by branch of military as well.
The vast majority are concentrated in the ground forces where are approaching 50% kia/mia/wia and by wia I mean properly maimed for life missing limb/tarded/melty monster
I know, but saying they've lost 85% of initial invasion forces then following it up by saying 18% of their total military personnel creates a distorted image when the Russian Ground Forces is only about 31% of their total military personnel.
>source: some Horilka-drenched butthole
Eh, the BT-5s will do.
No comrade, we need our t-34s for war movies. Is serious business, you know.
Russia has fewer than a dozen working T-34s strictly for parade duty.
>the needs of the special military operation
more like special needs military operation
This is no big deal when the Chinese, Venezuelans and North Koreans show up Ukraine and NATO are doomed.
>Venezuelans
Yeah, umm, they all moved to Miami.
Worse burgers have been cutting deals to bring them into their sphere.
>The first batch of T-14s will be delivered shortly
We are more likely to see a unit of Cho'ma'hos than Armatas, those at least can move under their own power.
Probably until Ukraine surrenders.
The only actual answer.
>Probably until Ukraine surrenders.
So when He’ll freezes over? Got it.
Even if Ukraine was to surrender (which it won't, considering how much support they are getting) Russia would still need more tanks, the IED these people would make in an insurgency would probably be the most advanced ever seen. This isn't the kind of war that ends with a surrender.
It’s dumb projecting the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan onto Ukraine. Zelensky’s regime has recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping.
man, what a scary regime
that's probably why people greeted russians as liberators with bread and flowers instead of javelins and artillery shells
There are plenty of cases where locals greeted Russian troops with open arms.
I remember that
Early on in the war the NLAW was their favourite arm to greet russians with, but an impressively wide variety of other arms were used as well
Underrated
>It’s dumb projecting the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan onto Ukraine. Zelensky’s regime has recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping.
eat shit and die zigger
>Zelensky’s regime has recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping.
Main rule about russians: they are always guilty of whatever they are accusing you of doing.
That's conservatives in general.
post guns
Back to your safe space/containment board, troony:
Eat shit.
>source: my HIV-riddled prolapsed butthole
Cope and seethe, but it sounds like you’ve done enough dilation already.
>still no source
You GOTTA come up with better bait than this if you wanna avoid looking like a complete fricking tool, vatBlack person.
This is the part where you cry “NOOO not that source, these proofs are not proving anything” like a good little shill who will earn their Elgin AFB monkeypox service badge
Where is the actual video, you absolute dipshit? Anyone can post a non-descriptive screencap and slap on a caption with whatever they want.
There's literal video evidence of this happening in donbabwe.
At least you understand that DPR is not part of Ukraine, even if the rest of your argument was moronic whataboutusm 🙂
It's not under the control of Ukraine, so it's not Ukraine, yes. It's not the Ukrainian authorities doing it over there.
Lol at the hohols denying this and yet seething so hard over it….
LMAO, vatBlack folk projecting yet again, I see.
Even shilling from a script can’t hide how much of a dumb frick you are personally lol
NY Times even mentioned questionable “street recruiting” practices in Ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/world/middleeast/ukraine-soldiers-recruitment-draft.html
This is a fricking war of national survival against total extermination. Everyone who can fight should be fighting anyway.
So we have come full circle with hohol coping
>Ukraine will have an insurgency even if Russia wins
Then why do they have to drive around abducting people and forcing them to fight now?
>they don’t! You made that up! VATNIK VATNIK VATNIK!!!1!!!!one!!!1
proofs provided
>well that’s what they should be doing anyway
>Ukraine will have an insurgency even if Russia wins
Which is what's happening in Kherson
>My source is that I made it the frick up
Blow it out your ass
I mean you're right but for the completely wrong reasons. There's nothing unusual about a draft of male citizens when your country is being invaded, literally every fricking nation in the world would and has done it.
That said insurgencies in Afghanistan had very favorable terrain, were fighting an enemy that was literally on the other side of the world, and were religious fundamentalist extremists.
Ukraine has terrible flat terrain for a defense, is on Russia's doorstep, and the regions Russia is trying to hold have a sizable Russian population already in them. Insurgency in the eastern regions is kind of a dumb meme. Ukraine will probably only win this conventionally, which they very well might.
what are the current odds for Ukraine?
they seem to have an unlimited supply of shit and Russia kinda seems like its running out of shit.
Like, 100,000 conscripts won't help much if all your armor is dead...right?
depends on how well their upcoming counteroffensive in Kherson goes.
>recruiters driving around conscripting unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping
>proofs: oh heres a single news article saying Ukraine is handing out conscription notices
kek. Next time read your own links before posting them moron.
Oryx has kind of given up btw
He's far, far behind the real number
More like far, far ahead of it tbh
no
Yeah
nope
Oryx's number is a confirmed lowest possible estimate. It is always below the actual number of losses. Deal with it.
He's only counting the ones people send in photos or videos of. IIRC people were estimating he was counting about 40% of actual losses.
Minusrus says the Russians have lost 1738 tanks so far, which is far above what the Russians originally committed to the invasion last February. The fact that they're sending T-64's to the front lines now pretty much proves they've run out of modern tanks in their reserve rustpiles.
you mean t-62 ? cause t-64 are still a very capable tank, better than early t72 variants like urals
>Oryx has kind of given up btw
>He's far, far behind the real number
See
And that does not clue:
Radiation poisoning
Friendly fire
Suicide
Fratricide
Desertion
Accidents
Missing
Prisoner of war
And remember we are talking about Russians here literally the world leaders in self irradiation, suicide, fratricide, accidents and friendly fire.
Or Bees
look, its the low IQ hohol cope posters. Back in March, Russia had already lost half their tanks, remember
at a point when T-62s are being deployed, maybe it's time to stop being a smug c**t?
kek, Ukraine getting BTFO by tanks that are twice as old as their "Country". The only thing older than those tanks might be Ukraine's latest batch of draftees
why deploy ancient trashcans that get blown by RPG-7 when you have hundreds of armatas? hmm?
ukraine precedes russia by countless centuries and really, most 'russian' territory up to the urals is rightful ukrainian clay
Yes, and this original Ukrainian nation, countless centuries ago, allied with Egypt in the great kangs war, being the first to deploy laser weapons. This is why Ukraine should be paid royalties on any laser diodes manufactured today.
do you dispute that Kievian Rus was a thing before the Dutchy of Muscovy?
Kievan rus is a term coined in 19th century, Kiev was an extension of the Rus state which started in Novgorod after Novgorodians captured Kiev from some brown slavs
>which started in Novgorod after Novgorodians
Ie, not in Moscow.
So...Ukrainians are the real Russians? Idk, mite b based. Ukrainian revanchists sweeping across the central plains in steel chariots...
russians are gypsies 🙂
The successor state of Kievan Rus will forever be the nation formed around the city of Kyiv, cope and seethe mongoloid.
>Kievan Rus
Its Kyivan Rus, fricking bigot
Ruthenian was part of Poland longer than it was part of Russia.
>ukraine precedes russia by countless centuries
Russia: We sent the first man to space
USA: We sent the first man to the moon
Ukraine: We wuz kangs countless centuries ago we swear
USSR was Ukraine and Russia moron lmao
kek, modern day ukraine's only claim to dignity is being part of Russia a few decades ago
Be real here, that's all Russia can claim too.
>dignity
>Russia
Russia has always been a failure. To the average citizen from the Czar to the Reds to the current Mafia state, poverty has been the order of the day. Ukraine sees what direction all the real dignity is and that is why it is desperate to escape to Europe. Ukraine is worse than Russia because of Russia, same with every country in it's rapidly dwindling sphere of influence.
the soviet union send the first man into space, russia just likes to take credit for it
The head of the soviet space program, Korolev, was ukrainian. What the frick are you talking about?
Russian tanks have long since stopped being formed into armor spearheads. They now sit in the back like pussies and wait for artillery to clear the way, lest they get an NLAW to the ass from behind any bush.
And back in February Ukraine had supposedly already lost the war.
>First batch of 14 Armata tanks will be delivered shortly
Lol, how much you reckon they've gimped it just to get it to work
Ahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!! This is old tanks, we don't need it!
i think its telling that russia is buying hundreds of drones from iran instead of buying ground vehicles like tanks or apcs. it's clear that the future of war now revolves around drones. tanks are old and busted, literally.
Now that Russia is starting to use T-62s the only people who can help Russia with tanks is the DPRK since they are the only nation capable of making replacement parts. The only compatible parts Iran has come from North Korea or are made in joint ventures with them.
We are holding to the mutual agreement Trump made with the North to ignore each other so it is unlikely Russia can get parts that way without paying a price in goods and pride they are unwilling to make.
Drones can’t occupy a town.
You’ve clearly never been to Delaware..
russia have more tanks and disposable crew than the NATO has ATGM and artillery shell. plus they repair some anyways
russia's cause is just, victory will be theirs
LMAO, no.
Russia's cause is moronic, extermination will be theirs.
What is Russia's cause at this point anyways, it seems to have changed multiple times
Nothing has changed, stop lying.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
>"The period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end. Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev? That the Russians will forever be a divided people?"
Posted a day or so after invasion, retracted shamefully shortly thereafter, archived for posterity and to BTFO disingenuous homosexuals like you
>seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev?
That one in particular has got to sting, hm?
Even if the article was true, what changed in the stated objectives?
As long as it have too
to think images like this was russian government sponsored propaganda all along
Russian shills were taking over fricking bigfoot forums back in the 2000s in an effort to radicalize boomer conspiracy theorists. Their propaganda goes deep, anon.
considering half of it are tanks from the videos cutting in the end or same tanks filmed multiple times i thin kthe number is closer to 300
Black person, you lost an entire tank BTG ina single river crossing
correct me if i'm wrong but russians now control this crossing and area around it, what stops them from repairing damaged and abandoned tanks?
the same thing that prevents them from repairing 10k tanks stored in siberia
So nothing?
so where's the 10k tanks crushing ukraine under their threads?
probably undergoing modernisation at UVZ
and what do you think is the throughput of UVZ? It's the 6th month of war, mind you
nothing except the inevitable consequences of their own culture lmao
Probably Kim waiting for the grain/oil/non palletized gold bars to arrive in exchange for the spare parts that Russia can't make any more.
I don't think you've noticed, but all soviet and russian tanks store ammo inside the hull and usually blow up catastrophically after a penetrating hit. Also ukrs had access to those tanks for quite some time.
How many M1A1s has the US lost?
Less than they can produce
>meanwhile
>deep in the Siberian taiga
>the storage of ten thousand tanks
>The Secret of Ukraine Island.
I'm sure many of their good tanks are still up, and they've got a near endless supply of T-80s before they start dragging out the older T-72s. The T-62s are just for their Ukrainian militias.
I predict Russia will have manpower problems before they have serious material problems.
Buddy, you realize they STARTED with T-80s, right? They even kept it going after they didn't reach their three day deadline and still kept it going for like a month after that.
No, majority of their early loses were T-90A, T-80BVM and T-72B3. Only modern tank category that didn't get blasted is T-90m (only 2 losses).
I don't know why NATO people are celebrating this? Ukraine is never going to become a safe space for gays and trannies.
At this point Ukraine and Russia speak eye to eye, like brothers do. But in 5 years time or so, Ukraine and Russia will remember they're brothers again, and then Russia will have access to all the NATO goodies you're sending over.
Bait
Wow, anon, you don't say? What gave it away? The obvious fricking pic?
>At this point Ukraine and Russia speak eye to eye
At least a generation will have to pass before Ukrainians will forget that vatniks came to murder their kids and rape their women.
> murder their kids and rape their women
you've got that the wrong way around, these are russians not mongols
They already do, they've been capturing one a week and can buy them all off the black market.
Get fricking real Vatnik. Ukrainians will never forgive Russia for this war. You maybe had a chance if you were actually able to capture Kyiv in 3 days like Putin planned but after 5 months and tens of thousands at the very least dead Ukrainians will never forgive Russia. Probably every single Ukrainian knows a family member or friend who was killed or maimed by a Russian missile, bullet or bomb. Regardless of who wins this war the hate will run deep and never truly fade.
This war will be Ukraine's founding mythos. From the horror of this war Ukrainians will abandon the narrative of Russian brotherhood in favour of a distinct Ukrainian history, language and culture. Any idea of a united Russky Mir is dead. Killed by a seventy year old manlet in the Kremlin whose dementia made him dream that he was the restorer of the Soviet Union.
Yes, just how Japan hates us for firebombing all their citizens and nuking them twice.
Founding mythos. Jesus fricking christ the fan fiction fantasies.
Yeah, but the USA won that war and could impose their version of history. Russia isn't going to win this one.
Impose their version of history? What medications are you on? I want some of those.
What is hard to understand about the fact that America occupied Japan and was able to compel them to accept the American version of how the war started, progressed and finished?
I didn't think that was difficult to understand, myself.
You mean exactly how Russia is going to occupy Ukraine?
Good thing you are coming around to it.
Nah, Russia's going to lose. You don't even sound convinced yourself of your position to be honest senpai.
>Russia will occupy Ukraine any day now says increasingly nervous Vatnik on his 170th day, 3 day operation.
doubt.jpg
Jesus, I legitimately can't tell if there are any differences between those last two pictures.
in between those pictures is the total collapse of the UAF and 6 gorillion dead hohols
Cope vatnik. Ukraine is taking back those territories despite your denials.
You fricking moron. How fricking stupid do you have to be to think that the circumstances between Japan and America in the Pacific conflict could be contrasted with the present war in Ukraine?
You ruined your own fricking argument by brining up WW2 Japan in the first place anyhow. Why don't you think for a second and look at how Korea and China, two nations that actually experienced invasion much like Ukraine is now view the nips.
Pure vatnik seethe.
But what about the founding mythos? That's some pretty heavy shit. You should write a book.
Shit maybe even get a pulitzer.
Says the Vatnik whose understanding of history begins and ends with "But we nuked Japan twice and they still like us lul".
Japan and Germany were actually liberated from a criminal regime and got the benefit of freedom of speech and the American way of life. If Russians took over Ukraine it would be nothing like that. There would be guerilla forever.
Ehh in Japan and Germans case both got uplifted and invested in heavily by America that objectively turned them into economic power houses. So the bigger relations they are allies is all the help and aid given afterwards to let them stand on their feet instead of just suffering under the boot.
Burgers attempted that in Iraq Africa and Afghanistan but the locals were kind of too useless to actually accomplish anything compared to Japan and Germany with the same amount of aid.
Why do you vatnik project with gays and trannies
It's all they fantasize about sexually. Even their torture sessions are full of gay subtext.
>Even their torture sessions are full of gay subtext
No subtext needed.
Just gay rape all day, every day.
Don't even get me started on how their conscripts are raped and sold as prostitutes.
Honestly Ukraine could get at least half the Russian army to defect by simply promising they'll never be raped again.
FSB had the woman who wrote that article assassinated too after she learned too much.
yes look at the balkans we all really love each other now decades after the wars
>will remember they're brothers again
Oh yeah, surely they won't hold any grudges against Russia. Just like none of the old soviet satellites did. This war, rape and abuse will actually bring Ukraine closer to Russia and not make them want to have closer ties to countries that have not invaded it. Lmao. Russia is a barren shithole with a dictator running the show. The people are dumb serfs who are kept in check by propaganda and border wars. Anyone with a brain is fleeing to west :3
Ukraine will run out of able bodied men before Russia runs out of conscripts and tanks.
>we will wait until they run out of men then they will surrender
france took 5 million casualties in ww1 with a very similar population to modern ukraine, and that cost millions of german lives to accomplish
vatniks can't even mobilize their reserves because the oligarchs think it will start a civil war lol
the only hope for puccia is to pull off a miracle on the vistula level breakthrough at this point
They can just make more dumbass
It's Russia, after all
Holy shit /k/ is moronic
Vatniks can’t makes shit any more due to sanctions. Your cope is unbelievable russBlack person
Russia's tank factory isn't able to make any more. Russia relies entirely on the west for high tech components like FCS, night vision, computers etc. It can't make it's own and Chinese copies can't compensate. Also, Russia uses exclusively Western machine tools, with service contracts with Western companies. It can't service it's machine tools now, so they're steadily breaking down and they are not able to replace them, either with domestic versions or Chinese.
>Chinese copies
>Digging out T-62s
China never produced or used the T-62, North Korea is the only nation besides the USSR that ever produced it and the only place you can get new components.
>Russia relies entirely on the west for high tech components like FCS, night vision, computers etc.
You don't need those for older models
Again you're an idiot, same with the rest of this board
Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time, then it turned out they still had the production capacity to make more
>Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time, then it turned out they still had the production capacity to make more
No, I don't remember this. I've heard people say they will run out of missiles or shells but haven't seen anything to suggest they're actually producing more than they use.
You're a liar
>Russia will run out of ammunition in two weeks!
was an oft-repeated statement in this board
have a nice day
I can remember seeing about 0 claims they would run out of bullets. Notice you haven't event tried to answer the point about missiles or artillery shells so yeah I think you might just be a /misc/ tourist with learning disabilities.
>an oft-repeated statement in this board
Surely you can provide proofs of this then, vatnik, right? After all, it was oft-repeated.
Russia hasn't produced a new tank for over 20 years, they lost a year of production because they had to send a lend lease machine made in 1942 back to Ohio to be fixed in the 1990s.
The one time they tried to make prototypes in the last 3 decades it caught fire in a victory day parade. By their own numbers they have managed to make one T-14 for every year the USSR has been gone.
>The one time they tried to make prototypes in the last 3 decades it caught fire in a victory day parade.
>Remember when morons argued about Russia running out of ammunition in no time,
If you are referring to some of the posts I made I suggest your recollection is lacking (you should have a test for early onset dementia) What was said was that the rus would run out of what was allocated for the war, which they did and were forced to dip into their reserves to continue.
>OMG RUSSIA HAS 6 GORILLION 40 YEAR OLD SHELLS THAT HAVE SPENT THE LAST 40 YEARS SITTING IN THE SUN
Russias ammunition shortage at the front has gotten so bad it is literally visible from space
You can watch them running out in real time via FIRMS
GUYS I JUST READ ON REDDIT THAT RUSSIA IS RUNNING OUT OF [insert thing] HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THEY HOLD OUT???? GHOST OF KIEV BLESS THIS POST!!! I PRAY TO SAINT JAVLIN EVERY NIGHT BEFORE BED!!!
Didn't Russia run out of combat power and have to retreat from Kiev and Karkhiv?
That was a gesture of goodwill.
merely a feint
>he fell for the feint
xaxaxa
That was so they could launch a devastating encirclement to take .3% of Ukrainians territory over the course of a month.
most of the army was given extended leave and has been on vacation. trust the plan
rare footage of russian soldiers going on their well deserved vacation
https://twitter.com/BlaszczykArtur/status/1552355775317790721
the shores of the acheron are beautiful this time of year
grateful novorussian civillians helping russian liberators to board a train home
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1550832661278638081
yea, they retreated all the way back to moscow, the ukraine should be done clearing moscow of all the defenders in the next hour psure
But what does the reddit frog have to do with that?
>How long can it keep this up?
700 years
i don't think so
>700 years of vatniks shitting up europe comes to an end with demographic collapse
would have preferred to let the germans finish the job 80 years ago but I'll take it
yes, but there's one problem. While ethnic russian population is collapsing, muslim minorities have positive TRF. There'll be a russian caliphate before a french one.
Can't be much worse than the current Russian government.
Tatar. It will be Tatar, anon.
There is no Russian future.
CROSS THE DNIEPER
The 115mm gun was exclusively used by the T-62 right? Do they even have the ability to make new ammo for it?
I mean they probably have an enormous stockpile of spare rounds. The T-62 was never as widely exported as the T-55 and T-72. The question is: In what condition are those rounds? That's a real concern. In 2003 the US Army assessed some of its old 105mm stockpiles for use in the M1128 MGS and found that a good chunk were beyond usability.
Most tanks were used for parts or written off, wouldn't they have sold off alot of those ammo stocks to the nations that did use it?
Russia still has significant stock of stuff it considers "obsolete".
Remember how they claimed they no longer had T-62s or BMP-1s and suddenly they showed up in Ukraine? Tochka?
I have doubts regarding the safety status of ammunition subjected to 15-20 years more 'deep storage' than the reserves Russia is currently using.
>beyond usability
i don't think there's a word for that in russian military jargon
Ignore hohol propaganda
>ignore hohol propaganda
strong RUSSIAN tanks are made of pure stalinium, indestructible
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1552405685387812875
this
1 and 3 are true, they just had a moronic number of tanks in storage since Soviet Union was doing little else than stockpiling weapons through their entire existence
Russia having to dip into their Cold War stock after five months in Ukraine kinda fricks Putin's "In a day, I could be in Warsaw, Riga, Kyiv, etc." speech that he gave a few years ago.
So what if Russia's gas delivery cuts by 80% aren't caused by deliberate action, but due to their equipment breaking down and them being unable to replace and/or maintain it?
last time the wells froze up it took 20 years to get their production back to 80s volumes. All work done by western companies and maintained by western companies. They will remember the 90s as happy times compred to 2020s lul.
>last time the wells froze up it took 20 years to get their production back to 80s volumes
Thirty years, and that was oil, not gas - until December of 2021.
frick Im getting old, 1991 was like yesterday
what are the odds that this will happen again?
The thing that never ceases to amaze me were the shortages on ANYTHING in the USSR. In the 1920s and 30s the Communists clearly demonstrated that they weren't above simply confiscating food and shooting those whom they thought would be working against government orders and quotas, and that worked somewhat. Why didn't they keep at it when people had to wait literally hours in breadlines?
Because it doesn't work? You can only steal until there's nothing left to steal. You can only execute "saboteurs" until there's no one left to do the work. Pure emotion does not change reality, no matter how much schizos (religious or commie) would like it so.
>You can only execute "saboteurs"
Then relocate some frickers from frick knows where to the place where you expected your food to be grown, and don't even attempt to clean up the blood.
As Russia is so kindly demonstrating to us: you can lead a (few ten thousand) fools from the most backwater oblast of Russia to a place, but you can't make them think. Whip the mule all you like, it's still not going to win a race.
I'm not suggesting to whip the mule. I'm suggesting to kill it, get a new one, and leave the rotting carcass as a warning. If that doesn't work, go to 10.
While I'm a great fan of the old "use violence, if that doesn't work use more violence" adage, it just doesn't work when the problems are technical or scientific in nature. Reality doesn't care how much blood you sacrifice to it, it won't budge unless you do it right.
I don't see the problem here:
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
>so you can just kill your moronic peasants if they don't work
>if they can't work because agriculture is industrialized and requires stuff like fuel or spare parts, then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
>then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
If the people in charge of those are unable (as opposed to unwilling) to access fuel or tech, then they'll go hungry because they can't do otherwise.
This is the fricking Soviet Union we're talking about. If they had one thing it's oil (Siberia) and tech (Ukraine). Apparently the USSR really had gone soft at some point and just stopped showing the consequences of workers not working - no wonder they lost the Cold War.
carrot or the stick but they only had sticks in the first place.certainly not a sign of a working system.
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
Now you're just being disingenuous. Agriculture is 100% technical in nature. If you want an example of non-technical agriculture, refer to the CHAZ community garden (amusingly also done by commies).
>if they can't work because agriculture is industrialized and requires stuff like fuel or spare parts, then kindly remind the people in charge of those that they'll be the first ones to go hungry if food shortages occur
That is a bit closer to the actual root of the problem: communism fails at market efficiency because it tries to regulate everything top-down. It's not just micro-management, it's micro-management by idiots who are more interested in making sure no (other) idiots threaten their position.
commie morons like this help me remember why every commie revolution ends with millions starving
>they just weren't radical ENOUGH
>if they had killed more people brutally and publicly it would've worked
Well, if commies would 100% exterminate themselves it would definitely solve all the problems associated with it
>Commies are proto-Chaos worshippers
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
Okay, so you're just moronic. You would have fit in well in S*viet R*ssia. Their Powers That Be were full of drooling mouthbreathers such as yourself.
Actually, no, agriculture can be neither technical nor scientific, but in that case it resembles more than what the Chinese did before the Open Door policy, which was just large-scale gardening. Very labor-intensive, but if all you have are moronic peasants who want to die anyway ... well, the yields are pretty good.
Yields are terrible, you mean. You then need 99 peasants to produce enough food for 100 people.
You're exaggerating, but yes, as I said it's a labor-intensive process. But it also requires the least amount of land and resources since each plant is given individual care.
Still wont work. you need correct seeds, correct fertilizers, correct irrigation system. Modern agriculture is 100% technical. sure you can grow crops the old way, but you can only sustain a pre industrial population with that method. That means closet to 80% of your population dies
Even pre-industrial agriculture was incredibly advanced. Shit like crop rotation and such took centuries (or millennia) to figure out for a reason. It's not an easy endeavor.
If you want agriculture woth no technical skills whatsoever you could go all the way back to the nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, living in an area for a season or two and then moving on for a while so that the land can regenerate.
Of course that requires a deeply intimate knowledge of the landscape and ecosystem that your tribe is a part of, accumulated over thousands of generations of experience and tradition - but at least you don't have to know how to drive a tractor!
might i introduce you to this tremendous homosexual?
He basically thought that genes are a degenerate western bourgeoisie invention and gulag'd hundreds of other scientists who dared critique his pet Lysenkoism theory.
In the end a solid chunk of responsibility for massive famines in the USSR and China can be awarded to him
He does look a little bit like Rasputin.
That Rasputin-Lysenko-Dugin phenotype. A returning curse throughout the ages.
I hope that there is an afterlife so Fritz Haber can beat you up for eternity.
>agriculture is neither technical nor scientific
oh really... so that's why commies always create famines
the wall was the biggest confession that this system will not survive.
p=1, pretty much.
Not very high they have food its just too fricking expensive to by going by some of the Russians living in Rostov. He was saying all the shelves are pretty full but no one is really buying anything due to the prices. They have a bigger shortage of electronics and car parts but everything else is plentiful just fricking expensive.
He also mentioned Food quailty also went to shit for example 73-80 milkfat butter has been replaced with 40-56% abomination butter mixed with some awful filler but for the same price.
He additionally mentions importing electronics is awful because no one accepts rubles official value so they are basically paying an extra 50-100% and have to wait several weeks for shipments
The cuts they just made aren't entirely voluntary, they still haven't gotten that turbine back.
Vladivostok is encircled!
Putin has Ebola and stage 6 cancer and is moments away from death!
Slowly losing land for months is merely part of the counter attack!
>Slowly losing land for months is merely part of the counter attack!
Tell me about WW2, vatnik
>Give up frenchies, you're practically finished. Look how much territory we captured.
frick off krautBlack person shill
>actually the royal navy blockade has only made the fatherland stronger stupid frogs!!!
check intel kaiser Z on telegraph for info entente media is trying to bury
>intel Kaiser Z
God I'd love seeing that shit lmao
>Vladivostok is encircled
SOON
Vladivostok you say?
Speaking of losses, Oryx's team added 145 new Russian losses today, mostly old undocumented ones.
The count as of now is 4966.
If the ukranians actually manage to blow up over 9000 russian vehicles I will make an honest to god good faith attempt to revive the meme
Third fuel train added got damn.
>a White House briefing says over 75,000 Russians have been KIA or WIA since the invasion started
Happy 5 months everybody
That number is far too low, vatnik shill.
US estimates had them at like 45-50k russian dead, which is a shit ton for so little gained. The US lost 2448 in Afghanistan and 4491 in Iraq. And that was with 20+ years of war, russia is 5 months in and is having a disastrous causality rate.
No, that's ukr estimates
and mind you, this doesn't include vaginers and banana separatists.
Vaginers - about 12k
donbabweans - about 25k
Does that number include russian mercs like wagner and other foreign volunteers?
No, they try to count them separately
here's a quote from Strelkov from 1.5 months ago btw
>Therefore, by leaning on these fortifications they are counting on stopping and exhausting us. The Donetsk infantry is 70% gone, at least the professionals
https://wartranslated.com/igor-girking-predicts-a-battle-for-the-initiative-10-june-2022/
in Afganistan, soviets lost 14k men with following equipment losses, we could try to extrapolate it with oryx list
451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
147 tanks
1,314 IFV/APCs
433 artillery guns and mortars
check incel slave Z for the real casualty figures the western media is trying to hide
Not enough.
I wonder if this war is actually going to match or even surpass the casualty rates of the original Crimea War (1853).
I love when a /k/ thread pops up on the frontpage, always a good laugh to read your delusions
2 weeks and billions will die from the vax
go back /misc/troon
what are you even trying to say kek
/misc/ promised me billions of dead sheeple from the vax
>I love when a /k/ thread pops up on the frontpage, always a good laugh to read your delusions
I mean UVZ can just pump some more out everyday, like they are doing.
>How long can it keep this up?
It is never just Russia.
>"There are no upper limits to military coordination between our two countries."
It's Russia and Red China. If they aren't cheating and selling things on the side - as the Chinese have with '70% of the world's grain reserves' - then the PRC supposedly has enough energy and raw materials for maybe half a decade of war/isolation.
Why did you quote me? I never denied that Ukraine was conscripting random men but that's not particularly out of the ordinary for a country being invaded.
Wew, Americlaps sure like to elect some of the most moronic amongst them. And we thought they couldn't get anyone dumber than Palin; boy, were we wrong ...
Boebert is a stripper with glasses. Dumb as a rock and fueled by hate. Same goes for Greene, Gatz and all those other morons that voted AGAINST a human trafficking bill just recently.
Based, she agrees with more and more Americans. Stop wasting tax dollars on shitholes like Ukraine and Somalia. If anything, a Russian takeover of Eastern Europe would drastically reduce the amount of garbage and spam from butthurt belters polluting American sites like mosquito larvae
Am Kevin from Ohioblast I much agree.
NATO why so pathetic?
?
Your own lil' infographic shows R*ssia outnumbering Ukraine in every regard but long-range artillery and personnel, although of course this completely neglects LDNR forces where most of the fighting is actually taking place.
>Projection: The Post
Guess you also recognize R*ssians' obsession with wienersucking then, huh?
there it is, the mind broken butthurt belter, who is too afraid to even spell the name of Russia, like a israelite writing G-D.
Hahaha, nah, vatnik, more like someone not wanting to defile themselves by taking such a filthy word in their mouth.
More various squeaking sounds from a prey animal watching its cohorts being consumed by Russia, and knows its next on the menu
My sides, not even him, but you realise this is exactly why the rest of the world makes fun of you?
The whole
>No it's all Russophobia, we would never... etc
>You will be next!
>Ukraine and Russia will remember they're brothers again
You might wanna check again who's doing the consuming. Also, yes, I definitely am next on the menu. The decrepit, thoroughly corrupt shithole that is R*ssia and its piss-poor excuse of an army, which couldn't even conquer its tiny neighbor after almost half a year, is definitely gonna come after my nation next, a NATO member. Dream on, you vodka-pickled prick.
>who is doing the consuming
??
Which country has lost control of territory to the other in this war? You are doing the fetal alcohol Poland style of arguing where everything is repeated back as a “no u” without even checking if it makes sense. NATO might offer protection for now, But it’s an interesting long term strategy when your country is about as important to US voters as dolphin safe tuna fishing
Ackshually Europe and the Pacific are the only regions Americans give a shit about, based on boots on the ground.
interesting take, since there's tens of millions of voters in the US with polish ancestry
>Which country has lost control of territory to the other in this war?
That's like a German asking this question of a R*ssian in 1943. You're too blind to see which way the wind blows and thankfully the same is apparently true of your leadership class. R*ssia is hemorrhaging troops, equipment and money whereas Ukraine is getting bankrolled by the largest, wealthiest political bloc in human history. I wonder who's gonna be victorious in the end. The latter or Snow Nigeria with its economy the size of Italy and a population as AIDS-riddled and drug-addicted as any third world country? Not to mention its incredibly corrupt and mismanaged military. Tough call.
Why are Russian's still trying to pull this? You've been reduced to trench warfare tactics against a country you have a massive Armour and aircraft advantage over, a country which is still mostly using soviet hand-me downs. Good luck winning against the Alliance that outnumbers you with modern tanks, modern fighter jets, and modern naval vessels.
None of these ''''''sources'''''' (LMAO@the random captioned screengrab) detail conscription of, I quote, "unsuspecting citizens at gunpoint, like a South American kidnapping". Not that one would expect a R*ssian to know the difference.
Zelensky lies to his western vassal about the successes of the Ukrainian army and makes a show of it. The Second Stage will end with the capture of Slavyansk and the battle for Donbass will end with the victory of the Russian army. Then the counterattack of the Ukrainian army on the Kherson-Nykolaiv direction will have a catastrophe. Russia will take Odessa and make a corridor to Pridnestrovie. The troops of the Western Military District will take Kharkov. Then, like the cherry on the cake, the Russian-Belarusian group will go to Kiev and force Zelensky to sign the surrender.
In 2024 special agent Donald Trumpov will arrange civil war in the United States.
>Then the counterattack of the Ukrainian army on the Kherson-Nykolaiv direction will have a catastrophe.
>have a catastrophe
Sure, Vatnik.
Yes, everyone wil be OK for Putin once Steinerowski attacks.
Looks like the dying Zelensky regime's increasingly desperate "recruitment" / kidnapping measures is a VERY sore spot for the frantic /k/opers
>still zero (0) proofs of kidnappings
>still refusing to link to the video