>Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
>Russia has 12500 tanks total including their old as shit ones from ww2
We will see Russia completely run out of tanks in 5 years at the latest which is likely how long this war will last
>Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
lol imagine if they started using fish tanks imstead
haha imagine if they ran out of (metal) tanks so bad they had to start using the tanks fish have
WTF is wrong with you lmfao
They already started transporting septic tanks to the front.
Haha that would be funny, haha
>fish tanks
Finally, a use for those new aquatic VDV troopers the russians have been training
The fish tanks are coming! Odessa will be occupied by Russia by the end of October!
i don't get it
oh never mind i just did
BWAHAHAHA
They most likely have around 2000/2500 combact ready tanks and they probably lost around half of them already
Worse is armored vehicles. Not counting tanks, Russia lost 4k of a total 12k armored vehicles. In 1 year they will have none
It's time to buy back tanks from Venezuela.
Haven't they already tried that and gotten a big fat "FUCK YOU" from everyone but some African dictator country and the Norks?
Probably those countries didn't actually have any serviceable tanks to sell. There's a lot of rust collections in the countries that opted for Russian support once. Lots of defense budgets that were invested in Swiss bank accounts.
The factory that's making T-90s has been stuck fulfilling export orders since the war began and legally can't stop.
So far, for tanks at least, there have been zero new vehicles made for domestic use this year.
Nope. But you knew that already, didn't you?
At most 700 of those are usable. They don't even have real nukes
Most of Russia's stated inventory exists in rusting scrapyards in the tundra. What's their ACTUAL inventory like?
I bet global warming messed up their condition a lot. The arctic is warming faster than any other region and they probably relied on the constant below freezing temps to keep things dry and keep them from rusting. With things heating up to above freezing in most of the arctic now the shit they stored there is almost assuredly rusted to all hell.
Russia doesn't even have close to 10k tanks in reality. Do you know why America has 3500 tanks sitting in the desert, stripped of delicate electronics and kept under armed guard? You're about to find out.
Sierra Army Depot
Google if you like picks of thousands of stockpiled vehicles.
Do you think Russia doesn't have tanks stored?
moron we had a thread the other day discussing satalite pictures of russians pulling tube artillery out of storage. Another further back of outdoor ammo dumps.
Would be cool of you to post pics of russian stockpiles.
God you communist dick sucking elarping children are such fucking morons. Are you so fucking stupid you can actually look at the satellite imagery of flooded junkyards and tell me that's the same as the Sierra Army Depot? have a nice day like that one Vatmoron commander did when he saw the abysmal state of the equipment he was supposed to be preserving.
>communist
Retard Russia is capitalist, as is China. Their taxes are 10%.
Gov expenditure in Europe are averaging around 50% of GDP, and USA itself is almost 30%. Far more regulation/control of economy than in the east as well, from price fixing to green bullshit. This is why businesses are fleeing to China.
Not in the same condition and you know it. A hull sitting in a field isn’t usable
What’s the situation on their engines and gearbox for most of their reserve tanks?
You need to perform constant maintenance and run the engines every few months, otherwise the engine will not start when it’s neefef.
The time it takes to replace/overhaul an engine is enormous and costly. If they didn’t put the budget to maintaining those 12-15000 tanks, they’re only good for spare parts for the few that survived multiple cycles of Russian winter.
in Poland t72 that are retrieved from cold storage are disassembled completely and assembled with new parts that are prone to aging ( seals, hoses, wires) - that's only way to ensure they are reliable - on other hand we could only refurbish around 50 tanks/year this way...
twenty years ago we had around 900 t72 (including pt91) but sold few hundred of those - after sending 400 to ukraine we will still have around 300 left and those are not in any usable shape (and possibly even not complete tanks at this point of going trough our stock)...
Everyone fixates on tanks, but an underrated question is how many artillery guns and shells do they have left in storage?
Probably enough but the point being that without mechanization of their troops and armor support they can not ever go on any offensives again.
>Russia has 12500 tanks total including their old as shit ones from ww2
No.
Do they have 11500 crew to crew them? Do they have the fuel to supply them? The ammo to supply them? The rations to feed the crew? The logistics to keep them going on advances? The maintenance crews to keep them going after a track slip?
Real life isn't a video game where you spend a resource and out pops a fully equipped and ready to go tank that doesn't require anything.
11500 crew? Just to have the minimum number of guys in the T-62s and T-55s they've got rusting in scrap heaps, you need just about 46000 personnel.
Now the situation in the T-72s, T-64s and T-80s is less bad, but you still need at minimum a minimum of three crew.
So actually it's worse - tell me where Russia is going to suddenly get 50,000 plus men who can not only crew the tanks but instructors to teach all of those assholes.
I know it's more than 1 crew, but this guy seems to think it is a video game where a tank takes up one population capacity.
>Sherman, ready to take to 'em
>give her some gas, tiny!
>Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
I just want to know when they hit 55,000 KIA.
That's how many soldiers we lost during ten years of the Vietnam War.
It's a goal that will hurt Russian morale.
They are already above 55k. Official number is underestimated. There is leaked info from Russia. 1 week ago Russian losses were 43k armed forces, 11k mercenaries, 2k rosgvardia and 20k+ Donetsk luhansk soldiers
Sauce?
During the afghan war, mothers of russia were kicking down the doors of politicans demanding to return their sons.
Where is the outcry today? are mothers&fathers more afraid in current russia of the putin goverment then back in soviet times in russia?
This is different. They're fighting nazis. You know, the ones they had fifty years to root out in areas they controlled.
At least when Kursk sank, it was a stupid accident, totally preventable. So when that Russian mother broke down screaming and sobbing at the officials, and they sedated her, there was a lot more national grief. this is a war, and there has been a lot of time and resources spent to justify it so that kind of dissent won't come out.
So, are the nazi's in the room with us right now?
Did you hit your head
Maybe get your story straight, one day ukraine are nazi's, the other day they are controled by the garden gnomes, etc...
So what is it?
>Where is the outcry today?
Natural selection artwork, the mothers that asked questions dissapeared, the ones that played along survived to reproduce
the actual reason is during afghanistan they started recruiting from moscow as well
so far they are only recruiting from shitholes
According to ukranian intelligence Russian colonel shot himself after he got asked to get tanks from long term storage. Only 1 of 10 tanks was serviceable. It happened in March
most of those are
>not combat ready
>too old to make a difference
>unsalvagable
which means they are not optimal for being introduced to the conflict
So, perfect for the next episode of Dragunov Blyat Z.
And yet the Russians are still winning.
They declared a subjugation war with Kyiv as the war goal. They have negative ticking war score
has 12500 tanks
And a majority of them are rusted-through hulks that will never move again udner their own power.
>muh number of tanks
>muh inventory
the real problem is crews, the russians could have two shitty tanks or a thousand armatas at the ready, competent crews are the most important and hard to come by thing.
I hope they are not wasting whoever survived that retarded field trip to kiev with those stupid soviet doctrines and all those tanks you see alone are just the donbass meat militia
bro, they are sending their training cadres out to fight...
And they're enough.
Enough to fill the coffin quota.
Enough to conquer Ukraine.
they aren't doing a very good job at it
Still good enough.
good enough to do what exactly
Post Moskva
>whataboutism
Are you a reverse-Vatnik?
Handsome and intelligent?
If you were, then why are you hanging out on a Tuvan throat-singing forum?
When? It's been almost half a year anon. Is Putin waiting for all the Ukrainians to die of old age?
Why would he hurry? The Russian army is operating in peace mode.
I mean, by all means I think Western powers would like he continue at this pace forever. They're quite content to let Russia send her men into the meatgrinder by the thousands evermore. I can't imagine it's very good for Russia however, but to each his own.
>I can't imagine it's very good for Russia however
It's even worse for the holols. They lose ground AND men AND NATO weaponry.
I think you underestimate how little a shit the West cares about Ukraine and her people. They are not allies, however much western nations drum up support. They would be content with letting the entire country burn so long as it causes severe economic and political distress for Russia. As for weaponry, this is quite literally what all of it was made for: Killing Russians by the thousands. You might as well complain the circus is running out of balloon animals.
>caring about a country means you let it lose a war to your enemy because muh death is bad.
My point is that America has a vested interest in this war dragging out for as long as possible to grind Russia's economy and warfighting capabilities into the dirt. If 200,000 Ukrainian men in 2 years to cause an equal number of Russians dead, America is fine with that. You are absolutely delusional if at this point you think Russia is exiting this conflict with anything better than a brokered peace and a cratered economy. Russia is not winning this war, it's just a measure of how much it is willing to lose. America is perfectly content with letting Russia decide what it wants to do, it only stands to gain more profit from export of military goods.
yeah but who cares about a few thousand hohol conscripts. There are hundreds of thousands more where those came from. Russia can't advance more than 1km a month and is stuck dying in a slav shithole for the next 50 years or until they collapse
>a genocide is fine with us if it weakens Russia
You should start thinking reversed:
>a genocide is fine with us if it weakens NATO
Holols admitted to 28,000 dead civiliains and over 23,000 dead soliders. Again, those are the ones they're comfortable admitting.
Ukraine would be more than happy to boost the number in order to get more gibs from the west
>we're given them over $6 million million of NATO equipment
>how did they do?
><Ukraine drops casualty numbers>
>...
>yeah, you deserve to be conquered
genocide implies one side is taking casualties while the other isn't inb4
>intel slava Z says puccia has a 1000:1 k/d ratio while on vacation with the gloves still on
And there's three times more Russians than holols.
not if they don't start mass mobilization
No need to. There's enough volunteers.
>show outtakes
so when are you volunteering?
I did. I'm on a special assignment to rape your mom.
>volunteers
buryats, tuvans and kalmyks don't count subhuman vatan
Only because you're suffering from mental illness doesn't mean they don't count.
what am i looking at?
>vatnik still believes NATO equipment is irreplacable space magic
If it's replaceable, then why can't you build more?
Yeah we definitely can't build more, that's why NATO is still mostly equipped with equipment from the 1970s. We also can't supply enough socks to our armies, so they wrap their feet in cloth like its 1850. And we can't grow enough potatoes for our McDonald's to serve french fries.
Our civilizations are incomparable, you're mentally incapable of comprehending how far ahead the rest of the world is.
And you're incapable of comprehending how far we can turn it back again. :^)
Get back to me on that when you figure out how to grow a fucking potato
> how to grow a fucking potato
Can't be all that hard - your mother figured it out with you, too. :^)
>ur mom
I find it hard to believe you vatmorons actually get paid for such low effort trolling
This isn't about pay. This is about inflicting as much anguish as possible. :^)
Don't bother replying. This isn't even a Russian, just an edgy 12 year old.
>your mom-jokes
>anguish
Truly not Africa with snow.
Caused you enough anguish to reply, didn't it? :^)
There are literal articles of NATO members kvetching that their weapons stocks are depleted, Canada is cleared out, UK is extremely low, and USA can't even equip their own troops.
Lmfao, the vatnik propaganda strategy really is to just make up random bullshit and hope someone is gullible enough to believe you. Canada is completely cleared out guys, not a single shell or missile in the entire country.
>and USA can't even equip their own troops.
Yet they managed to fight a war for 20 years on the complete other side of the world. Still had ammo and artillery and rations and tanks and fuel. But I’d love to hear about all these depleted weapon stocks. Do you have articles I can read to learn more?
No NATO member has supplied even a single round of ammunition from thier ready reserves, literally everything you see in Ukraine right is surplus or retired gear
> that's why NATO is still mostly equipped with equipment from the 1970s.
Holy cope.
Yeah and the US Army has a higher HIV infection rate than most countries due to the rampant rape of destitute conscripts from mississippi and alabama oblasts.
still believes NATO equipment is irreplacable space magic
Doesn't the same hold true for Russian equipment? I don't have a dog in this fight, just wondering why you're that biased
The difference is that one of us has access to contemporary chip fabs and has top of the line fighter jets in large production, to the point that we have more F35 squadrons than Checkmates total. Further, orders for f16s are still being filled and taken.
We still make new stuff, and we make more than 20 and call it a day
It’s been 5 months and what do they have to show?
The chunk with the industries and the gas and 75% of Ukraine's shoreline and dead holols and daily gains.
kek if its absolutely nothing then why are you mad
How am I mad? I don’t give a damn what happens to Ukraine. I do laugh at the incompetency of what everyone thought was a world military power 6 months ago
anon meant the ones that are supposed to train the next batch have been sent to the front with their equipment. Even if Russia moooobilizes, there's no one to train the recruits any more.
puccias heroic tank forces have been on vacation on the shores of the scenic acheron river since the successful denazification of the northern oblasts
It's just WW2 crew training again, send out a fuckload of crews and those that are still alive in 6 months will be pretty good. I'm sure just like WW2 they won't want to pull these crews off the front to help with training because they can't think more than 5 minutes ahead.
Anon they sent Guards units in with the initial push...
>implying that this war will last five years
>implying that russia will last five years
It has already been discussed to death that Russia lacks the chief components to build modern electronics for suitably advanced tanks. However, do they have the infrastructure to put together hastily-made T-72s and the like using antiquated materials? A homegrown vehicle with shoddy materials is better than nothing at all, no? I find it hard to believe that if this drags on for another year they won't put SOMETHING together to roll out, they don't have much of a choice here.
I have no doubt at all that if Russia truly felt the need and had the will, they could refurbish a great number of their tanks with the most basic stuff - coincidence rangefinders, old engines, newer ERA etc.
However keep in mind that at the point this becomes a reality, every tank fight with the relatively modern UAF becomes Gulf War 1 all over again.
>Source: Oryx
you're welcome to disprove any of their claims
Verifiable claims bitch.
>We will see Russia completely run out of tanks in 5 years at the latest which is likely how long this war will last
Russia had only 1200 reasonably modern tanks upgraded or manufactured since 2000. They have all been destroyed or nearly all. Russia does not have 12500 tanks in reserve, This is a lie. The officer responsible for the vehicle graveyards killed himself a month into the war, they are water flooded moss and lichen overgrown hulks that had all electronics and optics removed and sold off and in most case the engines, gearboxes and anything else that could be sold to foreign buyers as well. Russia is a nation of massive lies and dedicated to lying. You should not believe ANYTHING the Russian government says, ESPECIALLY in relation to military power. Russian had between 2800 and 3600 deployable tanks before the war. It has lost about half, roughly 1700, including virtually all its most modern ones and their crews.
All of this doesn't matter. There's still enough artillery.
And NATO is taking care of that by giving the location on any ammo dump the russians have.
Any hits lately?
check livemap i think a few happened today
>The officer responsible for the vehicle graveyards killed himself a month into the war
Twatter is not a valid source.
>Russia had only 1200 reasonably modern tanks upgraded or manufactured since 2000.
And America itself had 1750 M1A2's in 2015, I don't know how many were scrapped now that Marines aren't using it.
Dude.
America has way more than 1500 tanks. This is easily searched on Wikipedia
>America has way more than 1500 tanks
Yes, it has way more, but it only has that many M1A2's.
Rest are M1A1s, or even stock M1s.
Yeah you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no more stock m1s left. All the 105s are gone. The remaining tanks are m1a1sa, m1a2 sepv2 and sepv3
That's not an argument against what I initially said.
Yeah it is, because there are thousands more M1A2 and M1A2 SEP variants in storage.
Here is the official US Army page on the abrams and the wikipedia source for the numbers:
>U.S. Army – 2,509 total, 750 M1A1SA, 1,605 M1A2 SEPv2, 154 M1A2C (some 3,700 more M1A1 and M1A2 in storage)
https://hostnezt.com/cssfiles/currentaffairs/The%20Military%20Balance%202021.pdf
>1,605 M1A2 SEPv2
>154 M1A2C
Yep, that's what I said,
>And America itself had 1750 M1A2
What part of what I said was incorrect? I guess you can say I was 9 off.
You'll forgive me, I was quoting from memory.
>storage
They were talking about tanks that Russia had in service at the moment, around 3000 late model T-72, T-80 and T-90. Why would I compare that to Abrams in storage? With storage, Russian tank force increases substantially.
Because America stores its tanks quite well compared to Russia? I assume you've at least hard of Sierra Army depot.
>What part of what I said was incorrect? I guess you can say I was 9 off.
Pic rel. You said "base m1s". There have been no base M1s in the inventory since the mid 2000s when they were refurbished and brought up to m1a1 SA or M1a2 SEP standards. Like I said, and just posted, the official Army acquisition page says there are exactly three variants of the Abrams in US service or storage right now.
M1A1 SA, M1A2v2, and M1A2C.
>You said "base m1s"
Yep I misspoke, it's M1A1's, not M1's, you can have that moved goalpost I don't care.
I was completely right about your initial complaint, which claimed that America had more than 1700 M1A2's in service. Lets not try to move the goalpost from the ORIGINAL contact we had in this thread, Mr. Internet Arguer.
America has 1700 M1A2's to counter Russian later gen tanks, even with obsolete M1A1's included to bring the total up to 2509 as you said here
, the Russians still have 2900-3000 late model tanks.
This is why you started arguing with me, and you're completely wrong.
the M1A1SA isn't obsolete (gen 2 thermal, gen 3 DU armor as in the M1A2 SEP), and the remainder are intended to be divested (sold off) in 3-4 years time.
At that point the entire US inventory will be M1A2 SEPs of various models.
So yes. You were incorrect. Just acknowledge it and move on.
>remainder are intended to be divested (sold off) in 3-4 years time
>At that point the entire US inventory will be M1A2 SEPs of various models
So USA has 1700 M1A2s and will soon have 1700 active tanks total? Wait to have a nice day in both feet.
no more (you)s
I accept your submission.
Lmao. Typical vatnik retard. Claims victory as he bleeds out on the floor from his bloodied anus.
>Claims victory as he bleeds out on the floor from his bloodied anus.
That's a holol. :^)
I’m trying to remember, how did your “feint” on Kyiv go? Only a couple thousand dead and wounded with huge material losses before you gave up the occupied territory with your tail between you legs? Now that’s a successful feint.
We took Kiev. The holol government then ran to Lviv and has been LARPing as Kiev ever since. The army went back because there was literally nothing else to do. :^)
>he thinks he trolling
Oh you poor child. I’d suggest you see a doctor about your severe rectal bleed, the amount of blood you are losing is clearly messing with your already low mental capacity.
No worries. I've shat turds the size of your brain, and never had any rectal bleeding. :^)
I can taste your delicious cope from here. Oh my god it feels so good to see vatniks seething as hard as you.
>mentioning turds
>"taste your delicious cope"
We both know it's not cope you're imagining to taste. :^)
lel
>I've shat turds the size of your brain, and never had any rectal bleeding.
Is that because of all the practise you've had shoving giant dildos up your ass?
Considering the above information, he may well be a Russia conscript.
The only thing I've ever shoved up my own ass is western butthurt, and it was indeed giant. :^)
Because you’ve gotten your asshole stretched during basic “training” with the rest of your pathetic army
And how many M1A2s? Which was the original conversation you two had
>Russia does not have 12500 tanks in reserve
You clearly aren't aware of just how many tanks they inherited from the USSR.
The USSR ground forces were the largest in the entire world, had over 50 000 tanks.
tanks
ok retard
Lmao. Did Russia make a bargain with nature and time so that the two never affect their tanks? Russia hasn’t had the manpower or money since the late 70s, if ever, to truly upkeep their tank stocks. Russia is lucky to have 3000 salvageable tanks left in storage. Of which most are outdated models.
>Did Russia make a bargain with nature and time so that the two never affect their tanks?
We have powerful shamans. :^)
Praise Oryx
https://vxtwitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1553743958215467008?s=20&t=qXfki4whY1zND7MgC2TT3w
>Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
They sent in 100, how did they lose 1000? Parts shortages??
Holol magic. Doesn't need to make sense, it's just supposed to keep the west giving gibs.
throughout this entire war, across a frontline 1000+kms long, with 800k soldiers currently engaged, Russia has only sent in one (1) hundred tanks?
the entire high command must be on krokodil
>still ignoring that Russia is gaining ground
>still ignoring that peacetime mode is enough
>800k soldiers currently engaged
Again where are you getting these numbers from? Ukraine has maybe 200k soldier force, Russia has sent in less than 100k (~80?), and has about 100k in local paramilitary help.
Where are you getting 800,000 from, that is insane.
these figures came to me in a dream
>these figures came to me in a dream
At least that's honest
The entirety of the (hastily expanded due to the Peacetime Special Military Operation) professional Russian Armed forces is currently engaged in Ukraine. The operation started with 190k ground forces military personnel officially. This is without all the HOMOs and irregulars.
picrel
Kinda funny, given that most wealth and power in Russia are in the hands of garden gnomes.
If you'd been on this forum for a while you might have encountered the following axiom - "vatniks always project".
> Russia has sent in less than 100k (~80?)
Lol
>and has about 100k in local paramilitary help.
Double lol.
Both of those numbers, including the first one has been proven wrong since march.
>Russia has sent in less than 100k
Are you doing krokodil again, Olga? Why don't you go dilate instead?
>Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
That is five divisions of tanks, they didn't even invade with a fraction of that. They sent in 10-20 BTG which each contain a company of tanks at most, that's about 100-200 tanks.
Total on Ukrainian border, and within Ukraine or Crimea (even those not in battle), there have been deployed maybe 800 tanks. Obviously they weren't all vaporised, they're still around.
So where did you get 1000 tanks statistic from, I'd like to see that.
Maybe sending 50,000 guided ATGMs to Ukraine wasn't such a staggering failure if that's the case.
Oryx counts 916 on film. Then 1000+ is not unreasonable
>oryx
>russia
>5000+
I just gave you solid numbers showing even 1000 of that is impossible. Does Oryx explain where all the extra Russians are?
>T62
What the fuck? Are they counting the separatist vehicle stocks as "Russia"? kek they just gave novorossia to russia implicitly
5000 vehicles total, not 5000 tanks.
Each of those has a link to the tank that was destroyed. You are denying reality, why are you entertaining this delusional mindset? You are making up numbers in the face of literal pictures of evidence disagreeing with you
>muh realitee pictshores
As long as you TRUST it's a Russian tank and not a separatist or a kievite tank with a Z spraypainted on it. Or as long as you trust its not the same tank taken 6-7 pictures from different seasons as it rusts in place. If you group all three sides and take multiple pics of equipment, MAYBE you can reach that number without reaching into fucking gulf war images.
By the way Ukraine had 3000 tanks to start with, where did those go? They were given 50,000 ATGMs, where did those go?
you don't just use a few thousand atgms in one place you dumb fuck. You give them to your guys everywhere on the line and keep extras on hand. It was nowhere near 50,000. Concern trolling moron, you lost.
>It was nowhere near 50,000.
Try adding it up lol, it rises quickly. UK sent 5800 missiles, USA sent 5500 javelins and 17000 TOWs, and all the other NATO countries joined in.
I'm actually lowballing at 50,000, Ukraine received about as many missiles as Russia sent soldiers.
By all means, post which pictures are not Russian ones. We're not talking about Ukraine, we're talking about Russia
Sure, give me an equivalent grant as CIA gave Oryx, and I'll quit my job and resolve the incorrect data for you.
What the fuck are you talking about? They're all linked, you can view any of them at any time. Go ahead and disprove it, are you a total retard?
You understand photos can be faked? "Disproving" it would require going to Ukraine and inspecting the tanks.
So you have an unverifiable claim based purely on conjecture with hundreds of photos which you have no evidence of being faked, other than that you think they are. And you are trying to argue no one should take stock in them, but have no way of actually proving that other than us taking you at your word. Why should anyone believe a single word you are saying?
>unverifiable claim
As is everything Oryx posts, what part of this is odd for you? They attribute way more losses to Russia than they sent in tanks, it doesn't make sense, the burden of proof is on them to actually support their claim that those are Russian tanks.
>other than that you think they are
As people are pointing out ITT, Russia has a small number of active MBTs. 1000 is more than a third of their number, you're telling me the Russian military suffered losses equalling to a third of their total number? Without anyone noticing except oryx???
It's not on me to prove such a ridiculous claim, that is 100% on you.
The part of it that is odd is that you have literally thousands of these photos in front of you and aren't bothering to point out any that you think are fake. The evidence has been presented with photo verification, you are free to dispute it at any time.
>thousands of these photos
First of all, they're twitter posts. Second of all, a miniscule portion of these are Russian models. Why would I be required to point at every one I think looks fake, so you can say it doesn't, when such a small number of them are verified Russian losses?
What number.
Because that's the only number we can talk about as Russian losses.
Who cares if they originate from Twitter posts, they are photos of destroyed Russian tanks. You have made like half a dozen posts and you still haven't bothered to indicate a single one you have decided must be Ukrainian and not Russian. Which one of them are Ukrainian, go ahead and point them out. You're wasting everybody's time with this incredulous behavior, you have all the material right there to back up your claim, go nuts
>Second of all, a miniscule portion of these are Russian models.
What other tanks would be used besides Russian models in a conflict involving Russia in eastern Europe?
> They attribute way more losses to Russia than they sent in tanks, it doesn't make sense
It doesn’t make sense to you because you are a vatnik retard who has come up with the headcanon that Russia has only sent in 100-200 tanks (lol) when we have pictures and records to show well over a 1000 have been sent to Ukraine.
Putin is not sending his best.
>you're telling me the Russian military suffered losses equalling to a third of their total number? Without anyone noticing except oryx???
Trust me m8 plenty of people have noticed
>Without anyone noticing except oryx???
Dude I think you might need some sleep.
What prevents Ukrainians from taking a photo of one of their tanks and uploading it? Or even a separatist tank from 2016?
The fact that a number of them are not in control by separatists or Ukrainians, and only Russia?
OK I looked at your Oryx just to see how long it took me to find a fake. I could then divide the total by the fake, to find a rough percentage of fake sources. The first link is this:
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1544797070883684353
A twitter post which shows a drone dropping something that pops (firework?) into a T-62 tank.
The tank isn't moving, has no crew, no sign of activity at all.
There is grafiti all over it, it is rusty, and all the ERA bricks are removed or expended. The only modification seems to be painting a Z straight over equipment.
Until Oryx removes this obvious fake, it is not a reputable website sorry.
Regardless, that is clearly a Russian t-62 tank that was already a loss prior to the bombing or was shortly abandoned afterwards due to the damage sustained.
Your cope knows no bounds
It's rusty as shit with grafiti on it, the drone bombing is fake. And why is it "Russian"?
Lmao, that “graffiti” has been the standard IDing measure for Russian and separatist equipment since the beginning of the war you stupid vatnik moron. Id also recommend you become familiar with Russian tank variants and which side uses them before you try to argue that tank isn’t Russian.
Wiping out Russia simps would raise the global IQ by double digits.
>It's rusty as shit with graffiti on it.
It's a soviet T-62M from 1983 which has likely been sitting in storage for 40 years. 62Ms don't have ERA, they have applique armor packages which are those oversized cheeks welded on. It's covered in graffiti because that's how Russia has been IDing it's tanks since the invasion started. It's Russian because Ukraine doesn't use T-62s, they use T-64s, T-80s, captured 72s, and captured 90s.
It's been five months. Are you genuinely incapable of IDing tanks at this point or are you being purposely obtuse in an attempt to make a point?
>Until Oryx removes this obvious fa-ACK
>T-62M spotted in hands of South Ossetian "volunteers" a few weeks before video
>ERA already ripped off
>Z over tread
>PAPH written on side
>Green paint with 531
Whoooooooops! Looks like we have footage of the exact tank seen in the video of it's destruction!
Fucking got his ass.
Again, vatniks pulling lies out of their ass trying to discredit legit sources.
Unfortunately for the vatniks, reality has a strong anti-russian bias.
All the losses, all the destroyed vehicles live, all the attacks, all the rotten bodies are all faked footage. The flag ship never sank either
So you admit that you cannot provide even a single instance of oryx faking a tank kill then, good to know.
It's what they call вpaньё.
>I just gave you solid numbers showing even 1000
No you didn't. You said they invaded with a certain amount, without regard to the fact they have been continually reinforcing since then to replace losses. We've literally seen videos of trainloads of T-62s heading towards Ukraine.
>Last I checked they pulled half of the people back from February.
And then they moved them to the east. This has to be a troll, not even Russian shills are this blatantly dishonest.
>continually reinforcing
The rebels. With, as you said, T-62s. These are not Russian losses at all, they're sending their shit from storage to a third party. You wouldn't say Russia wrecked American's when they bomb some burger howitzer or humvee from USA, would you?
The only way your opinion makes sense is if you believe Novorossia actually is an Oblast of Russia. Then it makes sense, because the military of Novorossia are actually Russians.
>I just gave you solid numbers showing even 1000 of that is impossible. Does Oryx explain where all the extra Russians are?
No, you just pulled some numbers our of your ass somewhat based on organizational numbers. We know the BTG's involved haven't been very standardized when it comes to equipment and we also know some of them have been almost completely been reequipped (4th guards for instance).
So what is the % of fakes then? Unless it's 100% I still find it more reputable then incel smemga Z. Unless you're supposed to believe the opposite that is being reported, then I guess it is pretty accurate at times.
I've been going through it, up until T-72B, most seem to be fake. Some tanks are bright red from rust, clearly weren't destroyed this year. Others have like two small "Z" painted over a rusty part of the tank, that in use, was covered by ERA. It's just nonstop obvious fakes.
I think I spotted five which look like they may be Russian or Separatist tanks so far.
But even if you take Onyx word for it, they have 390 Russian total, so the 1000 doesn't even make sense.
>only spotted 5 Russian tank losses
Lol, LMFAO
Watch the first video, it's an obvious fake.
You obviously have no idea how fire and humidity will make steel rust like a motherfucker in a few days, let alone weeks and months. Also you cope with “there’s a Z over the rust” but can only find 5 examples out of a 1000 and even then your examples are just a result of you being a retard with poor vodka riddled eyesight.
You vatnik morons are truly stupid.
>Some tanks are bright red from rust, clearly weren't destroyed this year
Jesus fucking Christ what an unrepentant retard you are.
>>5000+
>I just gave you solid numbers showing even 1000 of that is impossible.
Dude vehicles aren't the same as tanks. I mean this in earnest, but I truly and deeply feel sorry for you man, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove in this thread but you look really silly.
They may have had to send more reinforcements since February.
Last I checked they pulled half of the people back from February. Or are we done gloating about that "retreat" and now assume it never happened? Haven't downloaded the latest opinions.
>10 - 20 BTG
cope harder
one btg is around 700 men - they sent way more than 7k - 14k soldiers to Ukraine...
We are witnessing the collapse of the Russian MIC. Russia simply won't be able to replace its losses, especially with its most modern tanks.
Sanctions have ensured Russia won't be as powerful as it was before the invasion for a very long time.
Why argue with him? Successfully subverting some idiot to think that rasha in fact strong and oryx meanie poopyhead won't make his tanks come back, ever. They're gone.
Russian tanks can be produced a dime a dozen. Holols can't. :^)
>Russian tanks can be produced
Actually they can't, that's why they closed down their one tank factory :^) Some MIC you got going there lmao
There isn't just "one" tank factory, though. :^)
Holols are in for a world of pain.
>There isn't just "one" tank factory, though. :^)
>#Russia's only tank manufacturer, Uralvagonzavod, has stopped its production. The main reason for this is a lack of component parts.
Uh oh, wrong again :^)
>Kirov Plant
>Uralmash
>Krasnoye Sormovo
It was merely the largest. :^)
Where are the tanks? :^)
Awaiting their new crews that have to be trained yet. :^)
> Russia has lost over 1000 tanks in 5 months
> Before the war, Russia was producing 250 tanks per year.
Almost all of which were upgrade re-manufacturing programs. Which have stopped because the tanks they would have used are on the Front or destroyed.
This might be a problem.
No proof on the number of losses. Only messages from Twitter. And here's the proof of the capture of Severodonetsk. You can't argue with that. Severodonetsk is now a Russian city. Forever.
cry more about it
your "victories" over depopulated rubble won't last longer than Iraqi occupation of Kuwait or west Iran
Your kind will be exterminated like the rats you are. Once your warrens purged by fire cities fit for men will be built where they once stood, and you will be forgotten.
>No proof on the number of losses.
They've all been documented with photos and/or video.
Probably not, at some point they'll be running out of Ukraine with their tails between their legs, and won't bother with another "special" operation ever again.
No, Russia was wholly dependent on US aid to keep its army running throughout the war, especially during 42-43. Without US vehicles, US metals, US fuel, US ammunition, US clothes, or US food the Russian army never would have been able to stage a successful counteroffensive against Germany in 43 and would have collapsed. You can read stories from Russian troops who say that the majority of the food they ate during their enlistment was from the US and that the wool in their jackets also came from US too. If you don’t like that you can even read accounts from Russian officers and politicians that Americans trucks were instrumental in keeping up the supply lines and transporting troops. Plus, Russian fuel was of such poor quality at the time that it was actually mixed with American fuel that had high enough octane content to power plane engines. It was also US steel that restarted the tank factories. US/UK aluminum also restarted the plane factories. And not to mention that a good amount of the machines in the factories came from the US as well. Even Stalin admitted that Russia would have lost if it was not for the US.
Russia provided the men and the US provided the equipment and material to keep them going. Russia literally owes America its continued existence.