Romania to build drone carrier for Portugal

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https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-defense-26880603-nava-portavion-drone-putea-construita-santierul-naval-galati-catre-damen-pentru-marina-portugheza.htm

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more interested as to what kinds of drones they'll be using. Probably like reapers or TB2's or something similar. It would be really fricking funny if it was used to launch like a thousand warmates but I doubt it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      6 million DJI’s.
      Romania WIRR join the silosphere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      long range drones, not the swarmy mcswarm swarm types.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thanks for dummying it up for me anon fren.
        but wouldnt it be feasable with current technics to have lidar AI killdrones where you just put a rectangel on a map and they loiter it for 30mins and create killzones?
        maybe have one big vls rocket with 50 or so drones in it simoultanously launched?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >swarmy mcswarm swarm types.
        Holy fricking Reddit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine just a trillion dollar store drones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just make the reapers carry 10 warmates each

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Name it the gypsy
      >A million and one dollar store drones to blot out the sun
      would actually be really effective

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Strap grenade to cheap drone and send it on it's mission
        >Drone comes back with 12 grenades

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Probably like reapers or TB2's or something similar.

      SHAHED 2

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ROMANIA CEA MAI PUTERNICA TARA DIN EUROPA 2024
    PREGATITI VA PENTRU VIITORUL ROMANESC

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What happens when you export all your crime

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >steal all the cars in the rest of Europe and ship them to the local gypsie village
      >consequently have few domestic car thefts

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easy to have high growth when you're starting from zero.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no violence
      HAH

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Still safer than w*stern europe according to the american government

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every person I have met who has gone to Paris has been mugged, or someone tried to mug them, or someone tried to pickpocket them, or all three. Apparently it is quite the shithole

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >someone tried to pickpocket them
            Courtesy of upstanding Romani individuals.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Algerian in this case. Was a little kid and their parents were watching. I dunno if it was like a training exercise for the kid or if the parents were there to intervene incase shit went south (AKA American tourist decks them). But yeah turns out not every immigrant is moving to give their kids a better school education.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I dunno if it was like a training exercise for the kid
                They use the kids because they don't get jailed, or even arrested usually.
                If you deck them, the others claim to be defending them from a crazy tourist and beat the shit out of you for being a bully

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            mostly because american tourists stand out like sore thumbs
            the gypsies know you guys are loaded down with cash ect, aren't very fit, are easy to distract and can't speak a lick of french so can't get others to help
            t-goes to Paris every other week and hasn't been robbed in over a decade

            personally I think it has to do with how chatty americans are. Once some rando strikes up a conversation you are off to the races and a distracted mark is a easy mark. Oh and the fanny packs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How dare you victim blame our dumb asses! Lol that and like, no street smarts. IE an American will here "hey that's a sketch part of town no one will be able to communicate with you either it's away from touristy areas and you didn't bother to learn to ask where a bathroom is yet alone "help"" and they'll think "lol pussy local I bet there's some cool shit that way!.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                from what I've heard from a friend that works for the city tourism agency in brussels pickpockets ect operate in a ring around tourist hotspot and along the main routes between them. Not at the tourist trap it's self our away from them.
                The tourist sites have guards/cameras/to many people but once you go a street or two further a tourist that took a wrong turn is a easy mark.
                best solution, don't take your luggage out with you, walk fast, no fricking fanny packs, flip-flops or shorts with sunglasses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                U.S advisory travel is mostly because of increased risk of foreign suicide bombings. It's little to do with muggings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did Japan and NZ get on the list?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Spain is worse than portugal
          >Italy is more dangerous than the balkans
          >Angola is safer than Germany
          >ANGOLA IS SAFER THAN GERMANY
          holy shit

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Spain is worse than portugal
            Portugal is the 6th safest country in the world you moron. Did you take the Age of Empires meme seriously?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Age of Empires 2 taught me that Portugal is only unsafe for people outside portugal

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Portugal doesn't have a lot of immigrants from MENA countries.

            Spain and Italy on the other hand are entry points to Europe from Africa. They have tons of them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Portugal doesn't have a lot of immigrants from MENA countries.
              Yes, but it's full of Brazilians.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my job makes me end up in a lot of different factories
                >whenever the topic of migrants comes up people will at some point in the conversation lower their voices and admit that they no longer hire Brazilians
                >CEO of a pretty big (national) group told me and my colleague to always "be careful" around BRs
                >HR lady admitted to me that her company has an unwritten rule of just not having Brazilians around
                Funniest part is that they specify Brazilians, they're ok with Angolans and Luso-Venezuelans, just not BRs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's wrong with Brazilians?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hue hue hue sopa de macaco

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not gonna bother listing their complaints because I don't care for having some anon on the internet getting defensive against me over shit that's anecdotal and coming from other people's mouthes. It's certainly nothing I haven't experienced with my own countrymen that's for sure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They remind the Portuguese how their country was once one of the most powerful and rich in the world but now it's totally irrelevant and the poorest in Western Europe.
                Brazil is the only reason why the Portuguese language has any relevance in the world today.
                When Angola and Mozambique got their independence, Portugal lost their last grip on power and relevance at the world stage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the balkans
            "The balkans" is not a single state or entity, you know?

            It's mostly Albania that's shitty (you WILL lose your kidneys if you aren't careful)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            balkans are very safe (except albania and some extra gyppo infested areas)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God I see what you have done for Poland and Ukraine can you do the same for mine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Created with mapchart.net
          High quality source

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon are you moronic? He uses the mapchart thing to represent the data which is being cited to be coming from the state department.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick is going on in NZ?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't know about the predatory kiwis

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty sure NZ was still super locked down from COVID restrictions and had like a month of mandatory quarantine if you visited from abroad when this chart was made.
            Either that or predatory kiwis.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The five stages of travel advisory:
          >Have at it
          >Watch out for pickpockets.
          >Are you SURE you want to?
          >Frick no.
          >Mexico

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Greenland
          >Western Sahara
          >No data available.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >UK is less safe than Australia
          It didn't feel that way last time I was there, the only risk I could see was hypothermia
          Also what the frick did PNG do to earn a "DO NOT TRAVEL" advisory?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Also what the frick did PNG do to earn a "DO NOT TRAVEL" advisory?
            Partied too hard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is edited, japan is level 1

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Southern African nations and Argentina safer than Japan and New Zealand
          Excuse me what the frick

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            japan is full of racists

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the mutt fears the samurai

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Japan whut???

            this is edited, japan is level 1

            It was level 3 in 2020. The reason was (for real) COVID.
            Barely anybody died of COVID in Japan compared to America but the US State Dept does what it wills.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the map says 2022

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Japan whut???

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How about something like this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >t. Kamala Harris

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Should I visit Chittagong or Shikoku?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TRUE SONS OF ROME TRUE SONS OF ROME, "ITALIANS" NOTHING BUT NORMAN RAPE BABIES. ROMANIA STAYS PURE. GOD BLESS THE ROMAN PEOPLES.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And all it took was a few bullets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is an excellent picture because it shows a dead (or at least dying) autocrat

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unfortunately commies still retained power in the government after that. It wasn’t turnip the past few years that Czechia was finally rid of original commie politicians.

        What the frick is going on in NZ?

        I wouldn’t worry about it.

        https://i.imgur.com/TUrolKO.jpg

        >she caves your face in with a crystal ball
        My sides are in orbit

        >UK is less safe than Australia
        It didn't feel that way last time I was there, the only risk I could see was hypothermia
        Also what the frick did PNG do to earn a "DO NOT TRAVEL" advisory?

        Papi No Guinea is a violent rape savvy shithole. Much like how Papuans are a pain in the ass for Indonesian, Bougainville is a pain in the ass for Papapua New Guinea. There is something about those cultures that cause people to fight and rape.
        Also more rape and rape.
        If you are a woman on that part of the world and you haven’t been raped, you’re a lying a rape victim.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is something about those cultures that cause people to fight and rape.
          >Also more rape and rape.

          It has nothing to do with culture. These people are tiny brown oompa loompas whose life revolves around the perpetual war they have against neighbouring villages. Each village collect skulls from neighbouring villages. A Rockefeller "we are all one race" idiot went there in the 60s and lost his head.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Much like how Papuans are a pain in the ass for Indonesian
          you know the native Papuans would probably be less of a pain for the indos if the indos stopped occupying their land

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you know the native Papuans would probably be less of a pain for the indos if the indos stopped occupying their land
            They'd still be just as bad to each other and tourists though.

            But yes, frick Indonesia. Timor/Papua needs to be independent.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you know the native Papuans would probably be less of a pain for the indos if the indos stopped occupying their land

            The papuans are cannibals, the indonesians taste good, and once you pop you can't stop. Thats it. I'm serious.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Thats it. I'm serious
              I believe you.

              >indonesians taste good
              I would never doubt the committent or treat lightly with a man who has can make comparisons between and has culinary preferences for races in the consumption of human flesh.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I would never doubt the committent or treat lightly with a man who has can make comparisons between and has culinary preferences for races in the consumption of human flesh.

                Thousands of chinks were eaten by abbo tribals in the late 1800s Australian gold rush. It is totally memoryholed by now. They were preferred eating, since euros give a bitter aftertaste, something that papuans also discovered during world war 2, when they got to consume papuan, japanese and australian/american soldiers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Thousands of chinks were eaten by abbo tribals in the late 1800s Australian gold rush [Citation needed]
                You wouldn't happen to have some sources for this claim?
                Or is all the real world evidence memoryholed and I just have to trust what came to you in a dream, bro.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Urquhart says his boys always told him the blacks did not like the taste of whites much—they were too salt [sic]—but that they relished Chinamen, hundreds of whom were killed while packing provisions across the Peninsula to the Palmer River goldfields [in Queensland] in the days following Mulligan’s discovery of the field. This fact was put down to the salt-beef diet of the early whites, while the Chinese lived more on rice. Urquhart was called out to hunt up the murderers of a Chinaman living in a lonely hut by the roadside … Following up the blacks, Urquhart came upon them while engaged in the preparation of a meal. He and his troopers dashed into the camp and scattered the natives in all directions. On the fire was a looted pot, and simmering inside it was the Chinaman’s foot and some sweet potatoes.”
                –-Hudson Fysh, Taming the North (1933), referring to the period after gold was discovered in 1873.
                >The blacks west of Cooktown showed me several of the clay white-ant nest camp ovens, where they roasted the Chinese in the old Palmer digging days. On one occasion, I was present where two Chinese were roasted, and cut up, smelling and looking exactly like roast pork, even the yellow skin crinkled like that of pork, the resemblance being astonishing. One man they refused to eat, as he had been an opium eater, and his flesh had the odour of opium.”
                –“Memories of the Late Archibald Meston”, courtesy of E.A. Meston, in Cummins and Campbell’s Monthly Magazine, December 1936.
                >“When anyone dies, provided he or she be not too old, certain of the male relatives take the body out into the bush and cook it in a native oven … When all the flesh is removed—apparently everything is eaten—the bones are collected, and, with the exception of the long ones from the arm, are wrapped in paperbark and handed over to the custody of a relative.”
                — Walter Baldwin Spencer and Francis James Gillen, Across Australia, 1912.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks.
                Memoryhole seems to be a strong term if there are extant sources, it's just not discussed much because obviously this is historical and is highly unlikely to occur now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The lack of duscussion IMO comes from academia not wanting to stoke or perpetuate negative sterotypes of Aboriginals. Which is sad because i find their actual rituals and cultural norms to be interesting not the modern bullshit we pretend is Indigenous culture like dot paintings. Even less common to learn now is their treatment of their young which
                >Mr Willshire declares that infanticide is a very common crime among the natives, and that lubras [Aboriginal women] as a rule kill off their surplus offspring, two being considered a full family. A sable matron once owned to him that she had killed three of her five children immediately after birth, and remarked, ‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.” — Review of W.H. Willshire’s The Aborigines of Central Australia, in the South Australian Register, May 14, 1889

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Infanticide was a common practice among nomadic hunter-gatherer societies. Having more mouths to feed outweighed the advantage of having more people out to hunt (and having more people out to hunt/gather just meant the food sources dwindled faster). In sedentary agrarian societies, more people meant more hands swinging hoes (the farming tool).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MAYA HI
      MAYA HO
      MAYA HA HA

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's Moldova.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          still sung in romanian

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're telling me that not only do the Moldovans have internet, but that they've had it for around 20 years?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying any of that shit is true
      >imploding half of it even translates into the wellbeing and prosperity of the populace even if it were real
      This is a joke, right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soon moldova will be reunited with the motherland and all the gypsies and Russians will be kicked out.
      Greater Romania will prevail.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Soon moldova will be reunited with the motherland and all the gypsies and Russians will be kicked out.
        But, anon, gypsies have lived in Romanian lands as slaves since the times of the voivodes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hear there are a lot of cute blonde babes in Romania

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I hear there are a lot of cute blonde babes in Romania
        it's literally impossible to suffer in Romînia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's a romanian girl that moved to the US and she ended up being a mananger for my mom, she wouldnt stop stealing tips from her ;(

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only thing a romanian girl has ever stolen from me was my heart

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As an exercise in QGIS I just made updated travel advisory map.
      Don't bully, pls.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tbh the whole Sahel region should be "do not travel" at this point. I don't think there's a friendly government left, and they're all descending into lawlessness.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He included Western Sahara with it showing both Moroccan and Polisario control
        Nice, I also like your inclusion of Somaliland. Good job Anon

        https://i.imgur.com/P5iSiS8.png

        The only thing a romanian girl has ever stolen from me was my heart

        >pic
        Exceedingly grim

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Exceedingly grim
          Tale as old as time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Letting you inside the UE was a mistake

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >letting you unfrick yourself from years of communism oppression and join the civilized world was a mistake
        Your mind on vathomietry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was deployed in romania for 6 months and I would never want to live there, its a shithole dude

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1. NO VIOLENCE
      LMFAO let me guess it's based on one of those self-reported websites? AHAHAHAHAHAH. Sa-mi bag pula in ma-ta de dobitoc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >low car theft rates
      Yeah, because they keep going abroad to steal them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah, because they keep going abroad to steal them.
        Why steal from your poor neighbour. Go steal from the rich town over the border.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how about you take your "people" back first

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, you can keep them cuck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good job romaniabros, I'm jealous of how well you're doing t.bulgarlar

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      According to an old drawing compendium of the butts of European women, Romanian women had the finest rears.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You wouldn’t happen to be possession of said document would you? I need it for scientific purposes (I’am a arse scientist)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Saucd

          România, e imposibil să suferi acolo

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That pic is a treasure.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you anon

            The lack of duscussion IMO comes from academia not wanting to stoke or perpetuate negative sterotypes of Aboriginals. Which is sad because i find their actual rituals and cultural norms to be interesting not the modern bullshit we pretend is Indigenous culture like dot paintings. Even less common to learn now is their treatment of their young which
            >Mr Willshire declares that infanticide is a very common crime among the natives, and that lubras [Aboriginal women] as a rule kill off their surplus offspring, two being considered a full family. A sable matron once owned to him that she had killed three of her five children immediately after birth, and remarked, ‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.” — Review of W.H. Willshire’s The Aborigines of Central Australia, in the South Australian Register, May 14, 1889

            >‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.”
            I’m taken aback by the fact that Aboriginals used to be sensible

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Forced sedentarization was unironically a disaster for abos.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Saucd

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >gypsy have free movement across the EU
      >car theft skyrockets all across the EU
      gee I wonder why.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Problem, gadjo?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's more gypsies in Spain or Turkey.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One is too many.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    T0T Uooooohhhhhhh

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine telling a proud Portuguese fleet admiral from 200 years ago that his ancestors will have to resort to buying ships from fricking gypsies lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      200 years ago Portugal was in freefall militarily/socially/politically. They’d have nothing to be proud about.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In 1824 we were merrily killing each other in the Liberal Civil War

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Drone carrier
    Surprised it took this long to be honest. Sure they wont have the range or versatility of a real aircraft carrier, but they would almost certainly be a fraction of the cost.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't aware that Romania had a military industry

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damen’s a commercial yard. Navy homosexuals get super butthurt when you tell them this but their grey shitheaps can and should be built in commercial yards to maximise efficiency of output.
      The only nation this doesn’t apply to is the US since US commercial shipbuilding is deader than dead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still find it absolutely braindead of America that their naval dominance came from being able to outproduce the entire world put together multiple times over on shipbuilding and now naval procurement takes a decade and is billions overbudget and they've probably all forgotten how to even make a cargo ship.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shipbuilding requires ready access to gigatonnes worth of cheap steel and proximity to everything you’re going to lob onto the ship itself.
          Without going into the litany of other requirements to be successful at shipbuilding America fails at the first hurdle since its steel industry is truly a zombie industry.
          Thank Reagan.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Could you tell me more about that?
            >t. Curious euro

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they've probably all forgotten how to even make a cargo ship.
          We would have if not for the Jones Act. TL;DR on the Jones act is that if a ship is going to move cargo between two US Ports it needs to be built in America, owned by an American Company, be registered in America and be operated by American nationals. People shit on it because it makes shit more expensive for Hawaii and Puerto Rico but it's literally the one thing keeping American commercial ship building afloat.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think the cabotage restrictions are too strict. The "built in a US shipyard" is a good rule (keeps shipbuilding experience), as is "operated by US nationals" (maintains a knowledge pool), but the "owned by a US company", and "registered in the US" are superfluous. In the case of war, you can just commandeer them, re-register them under a US flag, and compensate the company. Yes, it's more expensive than going to a US company and saying "your ship is Uncle Sam's property starting today, no refunds", but having more potential ships/crews is better than having fewer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how does anyone know if ships built are any good ? even the ones built in ww2 had barely been used in battle
        could it be that everyone has been pumping slop for the past years and no one can notice ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She’s afloat and operational.
          If your ship is constantly having to divert to a lay-by berth for repairs or drydock for underwater inspections then she’s poorly built.

          Those are the two indicators you’d get as someone following from ashore. Living and working onboard it’s immediately apparent.
          The best new builds I’ve sailed on came out of Korea. The absolute worst most dogshit newbuilds I was on were out of Taiwan. Both vessels were sister ships, but the Taiwanese had skimped on sound proofing so you’d constantly be awake in your cabin all night when the lashings started rat a tat tatting in heavy weather.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah and what about combat capabilities ? i mean i don t think the kuznetzov would even be able to fight the houthis but how do we know how good at fighting the chinese are in a conflict with the usa

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Naval warfare is about volume, which is why the UK - literally the worlds largest naval power at the time - gave up military bases and territory to the US in return for 50 rinky dink piece of shit destroyers in an act that in retrospect formally marked the end of the UK as an empire.

              You have to be prepared for constant sustained losses and you have to have the ships to replace those losses. Not just military losses but civilian losses. You need to be shitting out tankers, cargo ships, roros etc at an obscene rate because in a peer/near peer naval war those are going to get taken out on a near daily basis.
              Whether or not your steel is chinesium or americanium in this scenario is irrelevant because you have quite literally zero expectation any of these ships are going to survive past the first engagement.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My fav timeline is it turns out modern naval warfare does infact end up being both sides blowing their loads then sitting there with their dicks in their hands when no one has a navy anymore. Like in the course of a few hours the US and China go from the largest navies in the world to having smaller ones than Romania.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are 55 jones act militarily useful tankers. Of these, at least 5-10 of them will need to stay in the gulf/US waters to keep the offshore oil industry alive and to service American territories like Puerto Rico or Hawaii.

                That leaves like 40-45 tankers to hunt and take out and you’ve effectively killed American force projection. The solution to this from Americas standpoint is to take the British option and buy ships from abroad in desperation, bypassing the jones act.
                Everyone in the know realises this is a huge vulnerability but the USN doesn’t give a frick because like typical navy gays they think the logistics of fighting a war across the pacific are just gonna *happen* and congress/your local senator lives in fear of angering the unions that consistently lobby to keep the jones act in its entirety unlamented and unimpeded. Whole things a shitshow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Jones Act and its consequences... The US Navy is beyond high on its own fricking farts. My brain is shorting out. They've had this weird we're the best in the world attitude since winning a war of attrition in the pacific around 80 years ago and now we think we can get by on our superior maritime tradition? Or something? The superior maritime tradition will magically make it so that in a potential crisis suddenly we can start making ships again like in ww2?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the bigger problem as I see it isn't that the Jones act fricking with US domestic shipyards. other NATO shipyards could help take up the slack.
                But that there aren't all that many american and westerners in general in the merchant marine.
                Captains and engineers sure but the rest of the crew? philipinos, thai or where ever else they can get them cheap.
                having replacements ships is nice and all but without the crew to sail them they are hulks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You actually don’t need your own nation’s nationals. If you’re desperate you can crew merchant vessels with a litany of nationalities from anywhere and everywhere in a state of war, crazy as that sounds. US flag state requirements prohibit this, but they can just be bypassed.

                If you really want to get creative with manning you can essentially decimate the US workforce on domestic runs by contravening cabotage laws (i.e. ships going from Jacksonville to San Juan are now crewed by Indians under the Liberian flag) whilst ships taken up from trade in service of the war get mobbed full of Americans.

                The Royal Fleet Auxilliary used to have foreign ratings from just about anywhere on earth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, you can make do for the merchant fleet and to a limited extent for the civilian ships pressed into service.
                But in WWII all navies relied on the merchant marines to provided them with skilled sailors to make the ships sail.
                The US didn't have to do this nearly as much with the sailors "freed up" by pearl harbor.
                The USN is short handed as it is.
                Now I'm probably wrong in making this comparison because the hands needed to sail a ship will have gone down a lot. But you can't sail without a trained and hopefully experienced engineer in the engine room

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can sub in a lot of pinoys for the ship's crew. As long as you pay them, they will serve.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                USN is shorthanded cause you're basically signing up to either be raped or end up being part of a new artificial reef structure made up of American and Chinese steel and skeletons around Taiwan. tis a thankless job. Sorry that this didn't quite fit into the current convo but yeah. Maybe we can service guarantees citizenship a bunch of Pinoys on our vessels/

                sure the pinoys can run cables and shit
                but have you seen any pinoy engineers?
                all the shios that come to the port I work in are more or less the same. Western captain and maybe one or two other upper deck people, engineers are Eastern Europeans, south Americans, or a westerner starting out and soon to be chief engineer the other hands are pinoys ect.
                training a deck hand doesn't take to long but it's the people on the bridge and down in the engine room that take time to properly train and where there isn't a lot of "spares" laying around.
                Some deck hands get sick? they fly in a fresh load and the ship is of again. The engineer broke something? Well that's gonna take longer.
                I know you can't just take a gear head from a bulk diesel and put him in a frigate and expect him to keep it running. But it's gonna be a lot easier and faster to get them to switch ships than to train new ones

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Philippines and India have a near constant supply of officers getting churned out. You can get an Indian master mariner or chief engineer by pretty much just wandering around Mumbai for 20 minutes.

                In a scenario where you fricking needed to just get ships manned and you had a shortage of western seafarers capable to man them you’d immediately just ditch any pretence of hiring your own and import literal airplanes full of foreign officers willing to work for a war risk bonus.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Personally I just don't trust indians and their qualifications even less. A indian diploma is worth less than toilet paper. I've seen what indian trained and qualifies engineers cobble together. Only to then have to fix it they'd have turned the port of Antwerp into one big petrochemical explosion because piping is hard and supports are a luxury.

                It’s capitalism working as intended. Those men are willing to do 11 month contracts with zero leave entitlement pay on a day rate of about 50-100 USD per day max. You can’t compete with that as a westerner.
                Filipinos and Indians know that their salaries keep them competitive so they actively fight against any kind of scheme that would see the pay smoothed out across the board (not to mention shipping companies really REALLY don’t want that) so it will only continue.

                Put yourself in the shoes of a Dutch shipping company. Why the frick should I hire a single Dutch person if I can get a Filipino who meets the same STCW requirements for quite literally a fraction of their wage.

                I understand why but it still doesn't sit well with me. It is giving in monopoly one of the key links of our economies

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every British maritime academy is increasingly dominated by Indian students taking their master’s/chief mates/2nd engineers/chief’s licences.
                Once qualified they’re issued with British CoCs which gets around the whole Indian diploma being worthless thing. Whilst taking our chief officer’s course half my class were Indians and every single lecturer bar like 2 at the academy were Indians too.

                Funny/weird thing is, thirdies are surprisingly loyal. There was that Algerian (or Moroccan) 3rd officer who spent something like 2 years on that abandoned bulk freighter in the middle of the Great Bitter Lake. He swam to shore to get supplies, but returned to the ship. You'd think that by the time the second year rolled around, he'd pull a runner, but he didn't. He stayed there until the union eventually bailed him out.

                They make good seafarers because they don’t question authority and they’re extremely exploitable by the company because there’s a limitless supply of in rank replacements.
                Western sailors have low retention and increasingly aren’t interested in staying in industry for much longer than about a year or so post qualification because why the frick would you work on a ship if you could be home every night working from home for double the money and none of the stress.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Whilst taking our chief officer’s course half my class were Indians and every single lecturer bar like 2 at the academy were Indians too.
                I follow you on indians with western degrees but once the teaching staff gets replaced with indians you will get the same problems indian institutions have.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The UK is ruled by an Indian.
                Indian dominance throughout British institutions isn’t really a question of if - its already happened.

                Problem is, once you’ve made it such that barely any of your own people actually work at sea, who the frick do you then hire to teach about working at sea? Whole thing’s a shitshow really, which is why I increasingly see any prospect of us getting into a big war as being a LARP because who’s going to do anything?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sanjeev the "PM" should be shoved into the sea, along with the entire "population" of what was once Eastern London. Disgusting. Glass it, and Saint Denis. Tired of the defeatism.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Funny/weird thing is, thirdies are surprisingly loyal. There was that Algerian (or Moroccan) 3rd officer who spent something like 2 years on that abandoned bulk freighter in the middle of the Great Bitter Lake. He swam to shore to get supplies, but returned to the ship. You'd think that by the time the second year rolled around, he'd pull a runner, but he didn't. He stayed there until the union eventually bailed him out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he also couldn't leave because he didn't have the funds and he his paperwork where all sorts of wonky
                also wasn't he a Syrian?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't remember exactly what country he was from. I just remember that he eventually managed to contact the mariners' union, and they pulled him off the rusted hulk.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                poor bastard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                USN is shorthanded cause you're basically signing up to either be raped or end up being part of a new artificial reef structure made up of American and Chinese steel and skeletons around Taiwan. tis a thankless job. Sorry that this didn't quite fit into the current convo but yeah. Maybe we can service guarantees citizenship a bunch of Pinoys on our vessels/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your average merchant ship needs about 20 guys. More specialised vessels require more guys.
                I work on cable ships and we have officers and crew of about 50.
                Cables are constantly pretty much weekly going down between China and Taiwan and it’s only getting worse. The only people repairing them are China Telecom and us on our 30+ year old rust bucket. Certainly alarming.

                Could you tell me more about that?
                >t. Curious euro

                First consideration when building your new ship is steel. Lots of it and at the cheapest possible price. Also what are you actually putting on your ship. Cranes? Are there any crane/lifting gear manufacturers near the yard who’ll supply that or are they going to have to get imported at enormous cost. Cargo pumps? Are the pumps made there? How about main engines. Where are the main engines coming from? Auxiliary engines too.
                All of this shit needs to be just *there* if you want to be successful at shipbuilding. If in the process of construction we decide X is fricked and we need a replacement are we going to have to wait weeks for it to be shipped to the yard or is it available being mass manufactured in the immediate proximity?

                Then you get into labour. Shipbuilding is labour intensive to the max. Hundreds of people swarming around. Can I get a welder on a day rate of say.. $100 right here right now or are we going to be consistently downmanned and behind schedule because someone shat the bed and we don’t have the manpower to replace him. Are there other ships being built in the yard? If so great we can pool yard resources. Or am I the first ship you’ve built this year and you usually take 6 gorillion eternities to put out a single floating shirtbox.

                Then there’s the logical ones like experience. How experienced is the shoregang? What kind of hours to they work? Are we going to be in constant battles with their unions or are you going to keep them whipped in line working 12 hour shifts until the project’s finished.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mostly deal with cargo ships, a few dredgers too but those are mostly in Antwerp
                it's just kind of distressing to see how pinoy dependent global logistics has become. Not that I want to knock them, great guys.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s capitalism working as intended. Those men are willing to do 11 month contracts with zero leave entitlement pay on a day rate of about 50-100 USD per day max. You can’t compete with that as a westerner.
                Filipinos and Indians know that their salaries keep them competitive so they actively fight against any kind of scheme that would see the pay smoothed out across the board (not to mention shipping companies really REALLY don’t want that) so it will only continue.

                Put yourself in the shoes of a Dutch shipping company. Why the frick should I hire a single Dutch person if I can get a Filipino who meets the same STCW requirements for quite literally a fraction of their wage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how pinoy dependent global logistics has become
                Sailors and maids are their chief exports

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your average merchant ship needs about 20 guys. More specialised vessels require more guys.

                In a war you would need a damage control team to put out fires from the eventual antiship missile hit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe on a warship. Not on a merchant vessel. As merchant mariners we have quite literally zero training or capability to shore up bilged compartments. Our damage stability criteria as per MSIS 42 is the best you’d get; cross flooding arrangements in the event of a side bilged compartment, deballasting to put the hole above the waterline and steering away from the weather. If those fail and the ship’s in an unstable condition then it’s abandon ship.
                There aren’t the cabins available to have a damage control gang onboard a merchant vessel and there’s not the feasibility to do it even if you wanted to. You just call it a loss and hopefully survive.

                >Cables are constantly pretty much weekly going down between China and Taiwan and it’s only getting worse.

                How is that possible? Is every chink ship dragging its anchor(s) across the bottom? The recent cable and pipeline break between Finland and Estonia was most likely a chink ship dragging its anchor for several kilometers across the bottom.

                Telecoms cables are exceedingly easy to damage/break. Generally speaking the biggest threat is fishing activity and officially speaking all those cables going down weekly are of course all due to tectonic activity and fishermen…
                In reality it’s far more likely the Chinese are flexing and demonstrating their capability to isolate Taiwan in a matter of hours. Every time they cut a cable it confirms that yes indeed that’s the correct charted locations and we’re capable of cutting it with X grapnel.

                China is also the only nation on earth that’s actually building cable ships. Our cable ships are quite literally 30 years old and rusting away whilst China Telecom has several new builds sponsored by the government at near zero cost steel. Should be sending alarm bells ringing.

                >Lots of it and at the cheapest possible price

                You'll want corten steel or some similar rust resitant steel because your ship will not decay as fast.

                Eh not really. A ship is only really designed to last max 20 years before its pied off to the highest bidder for a demise charter. Run up a beach in Bangladesh before her 30th birthday and she’s had a good life.
                Naval ships on the other hand generally want to last a lot longer because they don’t have the ability/funds to pump and dump to the level of the commercial sector.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As merchant mariners we have quite literally zero training or capability to shore up bilged compartments.

                Yes, but that is why I limited damage control to a fire brigade team. The most likely attack would be by antiship missile since these have a much much larger effective range compared to a torpedo. An antiship missile would not sink a modern cargo ship but it would start a fire.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every merchant vessel already has fire parties with SCBA sets trained to fight all manner of fires onboard. Although saying that, as the master if my ship’s just been hit by a missile and the muster indicates all crew are alive and well I’ll be getting the boats ready and giving the order to abandon ship within a matter of minutes.
                I don’t know when the next missile is coming. I don’t have the capability to fight a raging inferno on deck without tug assistance because I don’t have foam monitors etc etc. My first priority will be the safety of life, so 7 short blasts one long on the whistle and we’re DIPPING.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An antiship missile would not sink a modern cargo ship but it would start a fire.
                An anti ship missile sunk the moskva just fine and that was a full sized military cruiser with an active damage control team

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An anti ship missile sunk the moskva just fine and that was a full sized military cruiser with an active damage control team

                It was two missiles, and it burned to a hulk first.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Eh not really. A ship is only really designed to last max 20 years before its pied off to the highest bidder for a demise charter. Run up a beach in Bangladesh before her 30th birthday and she’s had a good life.

                It depends, El Faro was like 50 years old when she went down and in very bad condition. The company was still planning to put her back on the Alaska route. After she sunk, her sister ship was supposed to go on the Alaska route, but the coast guard inspected it troughly and condemned it as unseaworthy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jones Act is a special case because the jones act makes it totally uneconomical for a company operating a jones act ship to order a new build. American ships are ancient and will always remain ancient.

                Also fun fact about the el faro, I’ve read the entire VDR transcript and it made me realise American mariners are either some of the dumbest sailors on earth or the master and entire bridge team were high. Not being able to recognise the classic teltail signs of a TRS directly ahead of you. Proposing to deviate to shallower waters. Sitting in the dangerous quadrant of a TRS then trying to correct a starboard list by ALTERING COURSE AND PUTTING THE WIND ON THE OTHER SIDE.

                Holy shit it was literally some of the most incompetent navigating. RIP to the guys but Jesus Christ it makes my Filipino OS look competent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sitting in the dangerous quadrant of a TRS then trying to correct a starboard list by ALTERING COURSE AND PUTTING THE WIND ON THE OTHER SIDE.

                Yeah I dont understand why he wasn't turning 90 degrees to go straight against the waves & wind once he realized that the list to starboard was bad instead of doing an 180 degree turn at the end. He did that turn after he filled up the portside ballast tanks, apparently he didnt realize that all the water sloshing on the starboard side decks would flow over to the port side if he was successful in reversing the starboard listing.

                Even if they hadn't lost the engine from turning over, they would still have sunk from all the water sloshing over to the port side. That ship was in such a bad condition that it would have been at risk from breaking apart in heavy seas. Old ships in third world service tend to sink by either breaking up in heavy seas or have a rusted trough sea chest break and flood the engine room. El Faro captain was born in 1961 so he died a true boomer death.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So as someone who knows little about ships, one thing I noticed is that the shit on the great lakes seems to last way longer than 20 years .. I mean the Arthur Anderson is still transporting shit and it's old as frick. Is it just because there's no salt?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Saltwater is absolute hell on everything. There's still a couple freighters floating around the Great Lakes with WWII campaign medals and battle stars even.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So as someone who knows little about ships, one thing I noticed is that the shit on the great lakes seems to last way longer than 20 years .. I mean the Arthur Anderson is still transporting shit and it's old as frick. Is it just because there's no salt?

                Yes, no salt + less heavy seas. Saltwater makes things rust really fast, something greenies found out when they invested billions of pension fund money into offshore wind farms.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >steering away from the weather

                How do I do this? no matter where i go, there is weather.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cables are constantly pretty much weekly going down between China and Taiwan and it’s only getting worse.

                How is that possible? Is every chink ship dragging its anchor(s) across the bottom? The recent cable and pipeline break between Finland and Estonia was most likely a chink ship dragging its anchor for several kilometers across the bottom.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lots of it and at the cheapest possible price

                You'll want corten steel or some similar rust resitant steel because your ship will not decay as fast.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Corten would be a needless cost. It doesn’t actually stop rusting in humid or salty conditions. This was a problem with the University of Hawaii’s Football stadium and Omni Arena in Atlanta. Neither stopped rusting like was expected and they just eventually fell apart.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the problem I see with this is that there isn't all that much slack on tanker capacity in the countries you could turn to.
                the arabs could bail out the us to a certain extent but I somehow doubt they will prove to be anything other than fair weather friends.
                The EU will probably try to keep it's own fleet under it's own companies to ensure they keep their commercial activities going.
                The major tanker builders in asia can't bail out the US without getting involved in the war or if they are involved then they are probably going to need them as well
                Japan is probably the best country the US could turn to. A decent sized fairly modern fleet that they have for their hydro carbon imports already in the main theater of operations with an ally that will probably be more than willing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you think America will combine all their fleets and sail into Chinese missile spam oblivion in the opening hours of conflict?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean probably not, but it would be funny for both sides to irrecoverably destory their navies for the next 20 years and now Britan and Japan suddenly rule the waves again.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean probably not, but it would be funny for both sides to irrecoverably destory their navies for the next 20 years and now Britan and Japan suddenly rule the waves again.

                China's shipbuilding capability is so much larger than America's that initial mutual annihilation would count as a decisive win for them. They would have their entire navy back up again within two-three years. America, not so much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mass-produced, but what's the quality, capabilities, and longevity of those vessels.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but what's the quality, capabilities, and longevity of those vessels.

                Same could be said of the Liberty ships of WW2.

                The ships only need to be good enough for a few crossings of the Pacific in the event of a post MAD scenario.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The ships only need to be good enough for a few crossings of the Pacific in the event of a post MAD scenario.
                Wait. After the nukes fly would China try to invade the west coast or something?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mass-produced, but what's the quality, capabilities, and longevity of those vessels.

                In the scenario discussed - mutual initial annihilation - it would not matter. They would just be there, and the USN would not. That is why mutual initial annihilation would count as a decisive victory for China.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd argue its a lot more about range, accuracy and situational awareness these days
                All the tonnage in the world won't help you if they can hit you with ashms and you can't hit them

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that from the Romanian-themed GuP school?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep.
        >2024
        >still no Magyar school
        I suffer without the Turan.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a fricking joke

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Qual é o problema agora?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe it's cause I'm a merishart from Texas but Portuguese always struck me as what a 5 year old Anglo Saxon thinks Spanish is. Like get an American kid to just say or write random bullshit that they think is Spanish and they'll speak or write fluent Portuguese

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        usar os poucos fundos da marinha envelhecida para comprar um porta-drones do reino cigano é o problema

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Vais comprar o quê pra marinha então? Mais uma fragata para pescar Africanos do mar e mais nada? Mais um submarino em terceira mão para estar enferrujado na doca um ano depois? Os drones são o futuro, esta tem a possibilidade de ser a compra mais inteligente que Portugal alguma vez fez para as forças armadas. Deixa vir dos ciganos, eles têm cá os primos todos por isso ainda nos fazem desconto. Quando Portugal fez compra com países grandes acabou quase sempre fodido no negócio.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Um contratorpedeiro integrado com Aegis seria remotamente útil, em vez de um barquinho de merda sem missão real, incapaz de fazer nada menos acomodar mais Blacks que as fregatas atuais.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Um contratorpedeiro integrado com Aegis seria remotamente útil

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Um contratorpedeiro integrado com Aegis
              Temos um porta-aviões que precise dum chapéu de chuva desses, ó animal?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            usar os poucos fundos da marinha envelhecida para comprar um porta-drones do reino cigano é o problema

            Damen é holandês seus idiotas, é facto que contratarem Romenos para cortar custos, mas o design nao é cigano.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Qual é o problema agora?

      usar os poucos fundos da marinha envelhecida para comprar um porta-drones do reino cigano é o problema

      [...]
      Damen é holandês seus idiotas, é facto que contratarem Romenos para cortar custos, mas o design nao é cigano.

      Comprem mais dos nossos produtos ou enviaremos mais prectos 🙂

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice maybe I'll buy a PSL one day

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=175

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Weirdest sentence I've read today.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Para mim faz sentido.

    Uma marinha corrupta a cair de podre com mais oficiais que marinheiros e cada vez menos pessoal porque as forças armadas portuguesas são o maior meme da europa só ia safar-se com drones.

    Nós já quase não conseguimos patrulhar a nossa costa nem garantir as rotas comerciais que passam ao nosso largo.

    Este país já não vai conseguir sobreviver mais do que um par de décadas...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cheira-me a paneleiro do Chega aqui.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        É , e em março eu e mais uns milhões de paneleiros vamos enfiar o pau no vosso cu comuna dum cabrão.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/U9zXbDV.png

          what a fricking joke

          usar os poucos fundos da marinha envelhecida para comprar um porta-drones do reino cigano é o problema

          Um contratorpedeiro integrado com Aegis seria remotamente útil, em vez de um barquinho de merda sem missão real, incapaz de fazer nada menos acomodar mais Blacks que as fregatas atuais.

          HAAAAAAAAHAHAHA soube logo que eras um desses cancros mas não disse nada para o caso de estar enganado. Só podia ser um atrasado mental desses...um contratorpedeiro LMAO. Vai pá granda puta que te pariu. Não fales pelo um país ao qual nem pertences sua pega em saldo.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm no shipologist but doesn't this thing just look like anti ship missile food? Like I get the idea you might want the projection for launching armed drones to where you otherwise couldn't without buying a real carrier and may not need the range of nuclear power, that sounds like a legit niche, but without some sort of diet CSG to back it up or at least a CIWS and other anti missile counter measures this seems kinda useless unless the idea is to drone under equipped insurgents or insurrectionists in another country or some bizarre shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's meant to tackle the missions the portuguese navy can manage, which is probably dealing with illegal ships (drugs, immigrants, fishing trawlers) traveling through its territorial waters, which are quite extensive.
      I think it's fine for that purpose.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess that makes sense, I was trying to frame it in terms of warfare/force projection as opposed to considering it might really be intended more as a loitering platform for extending and increasing ISR for peace time use

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          exactly, this is meant to replace helo / P3 patrols and only deploy those assets if the drones notice something weird. We have a huge amount of territorial waters for our size and now with the Continental Shelf expansion we can't ISR that by conventional means

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think this is an area control weapon for low intensity missions which it probably excells at compared to the frigates that normally do those missions

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, I thought Romanians were barely above thirdies, why are they building ships for a founding NATO member?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because said founding NATO member is effectively broke and lacks the capability to effectively build/design the ship they want

      quite pathetic, really

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      romania had some pretty decent but old heavy industry left over from the USSR
      I got investment from western europe but languished a bit. But now they are doing good stuff.
      Eastern europe had the reputation of using hand me down tooling from western europe for a long time but now they are buying the new stuff just like the rest, well trained personnel and much lower wages/laxer labour laws

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FYI there is a Portuguese version of a terminal Trumptard in this thread spewing his doom and gloom head diarrhea so take any opinions you read with a grain of salt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a Portuguese version of a terminal Trumptard
      How does that work?
      Sore about digital nomads and rent increases?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your first mistake is believing these prostitutes, wherever they are, actually have a political agenda and are not just "bring down the system!" turbo morons.

        Basically works the same way that it does in America without the woke boogeyman to point the finger at (they pretend it's there anyway). Thieves and hustlers at the top, mall fascists as the core supporters and then the mob of turbo fricking morons that actually buy into the thieves bullshit. I mean the homosexual leading them even also came from being a shit personality in garbage television, he was one of those football commenter in the trashiest fricking channel in the history of our television. Can't make this shit up.

        Point finger at the rich and corrupt homosexuals, even though they are rich and corrupt homosexuals, so they can get in power and protect rich and corrupt homosexuals. Fear monger about the lack of security in the country (Portugal literally 6th most safe country on earth), public services failing (literally 0 proposals on how to fix them), shill for Russia and to cut support to Ukraine (just like the commies they pretend to oppose), lick Israel's butthole at every opportunity because lol of course they would. Also, obviously, MUH IMMIGRANTS! (in a country who's biggest export throughout history is immigrants and where migrant communities have always been well integrated).

        Same old cancer you see everywhere. Zoomers fall for it in droves, being the soulless husks they are. It's doubly depressing in Portugal's case considering the people who lived through fricking dictatorship are still alive to tell them about it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Thieves and hustlers at the top, mall fascists as the core supporters and then the mob of turbo fricking morons that actually buy into the thieves bullshit
          Yeah, that makes sense.

          >lick Israel's butthole at every opportunity because lol of course they would
          Israel pays politicians everywhere to lick their arsehole, it's unlikely to be for free. They also hope that by doing so, any mainstream opponent will be attacked by the local equivalent of the ADL.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Forgot to say that the c**t also wants to end the drug laws and social policies that are in place. You know, the things that made Portugal world famous on this subject and had every other country wishing they could replicate?
            Why? Cause "drugs are bad and look how tough i am on drugs!" is a good soundbite for morons.

            Calling them prostitutes is a great disservice to actual prostitutes cause those usually hurt themselves in benefit of others. I don't know if there is a proper adjective to qualify this scum.

            The clown ITT was doom posting on how this is the worst thing ever for the Navy and the money would have been better spent on a single Destroyer.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the c**t also wants to end the drug laws and social policies that are in place
              Ah, the old tough-on-crime tactic, always plays well to the right-wing.
              Probably doesn't help that the digital nomad crowd in Lisbon are probably all growing weed on their balconies and pissing off the old Portuguese who have to watch them grow drugs and get high

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't know if there is a proper adjective to qualify this scum
              The word of the season seems to be "grifter" but I prefer "predator".

              In fact there are two serious words to use, journalists tend to call such people "populists" which is compatible with and usually includes the meaning of creating and exaggerating the issue you're campaigning on too.
              The academic term is "demagogue"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/CGqjOMo.png

                I meant an adjective that truly does them justice.

                >the c**t also wants to end the drug laws and social policies that are in place
                Ah, the old tough-on-crime tactic, always plays well to the right-wing.
                Probably doesn't help that the digital nomad crowd in Lisbon are probably all growing weed on their balconies and pissing off the old Portuguese who have to watch them grow drugs and get high

                No one would care about that. What they care about is not being able to afford a place to live while every foreigner that comes in is like "woah this place is so cheap!". There's a big housing crisis, especially in the big cities. I live near one and the price of real estate here has skyrocketed. You have to shoe the real estate agents away like they are fricking Jehovah witnesses. The place i live on has a real nice small town, urban mixed with rural vibe. There's a lot of bush pockets and fields intermingled with buildings and roads. It's nice, lots of song birds. I like birds. With the premium on real estate and all the old folks that owned those fields and plots of land dying i dread seeing all the nature replaced with fricking apartment buildings and richgay mansions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I meant an adjective that truly does them justice.
                Then we have a word for that too ^_^
                They are *indescribably* bad.

                If you just can't even think of a way to encapsulate everything bad about them in a single adjective, then they are *unfathomably* bad.

                The words lack punch a bit because you prefer to use a more visceral term in order to elicit disgust in the listener. Hence a description like "a shit-eating arsewipe of a demagogue".
                Scholars of an older generation would have felt words like unfathomably and indescribable in their form but the words have been overused for years and now it's kind of synonymous with "very".

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder if MQ-25 will work off it?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    first turkey, then iran, now portugal...
    drone carriers are the future. aircraft carriers are dead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All three are former empires too. They’re retaking their prized possessions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        everybody loves talking about revanchism until the white man enters the conversation

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Feels weird to see a formal global naval power buying a ship from a country with little naval tradition.
    It's like a Frenchman importing wine from Bulgaria.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Given their Roman and Byzantine pasts, I'd say Thrace has a pretty long-established wine tradition.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >portugal and romania were once part of the roman empire
        >two thousand years later they're both a part of the EU
        history rhyming...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've been telling everyone who will listen that the EU is the first true successor state to Rome for several years now
          The twist is that it's a successor to the Republic and not the Empire

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, bad example. Maybe buying wine from England?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Before the Little Ice Age basically made vineyards less feasible in Britain, they did have a wine tradition. Again, mostly imported by the Romans.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because Portugal's shipwrights declined due to falling behind in the economically centuries ago. tradition means nothing. Romania is a startup country reinventing itself by way of the EU and always remember, military contracts are always given to the lowest bidder.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A good chunk of our Foie Gras comes eastern europe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen a fair amount of goose products (meat, liver, fat, fried rinds) with Made in Hungary labels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What isn't really talked about in this thread because most Portuguese people on PrepHole aren't actually informed on anything that isn't yelling about Black folk despite this country being Black person tier by European standards, is that national companies and some academic circles attached to engineering departments threw a fricking piss fit when this project went to public bid. The government and navy gave no preference to national companies or groups, no early warning that the project was gonna go into public bid etc. This means that any company and group that could have prepared itself to scale up for this project just didn't have the time and was outcompeted by foreign companies, I don't mean just on the ship building itself but on the implementation of all the various systems the carrier is gonna have. And we know these companies would have been able to form proper plans for scaling up because Portugal was actually given more funds from the EU (due to the COVID and inflation shit) than it can spend.
      >Fonte?
      Vai ler em vez de chorares sobre monhés o dia todo.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a bit Black persony indeed. There wouldn't have been anything wrong with giving the domestic companies preferential treatment in initial bidding.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          Could it be that the government doesn't want to create the image of them favoring x company because of all the bribery and corruption scandals?
          Or did the gypsies bribe someone?

          >Could it be that the government doesn't want to create the image of them favoring x company because of all the bribery and corruption scandals?
          >Or did the gypsies bribe someone?
          I don't believe there were bribes in any way and at the time that some companies vented their frustration about this subject, none of them threw around accusations related to bribery, politics etc. It's just incompetence and having zero foresight. You can really tell how neglected the Portuguese armed forces have been as far as planning goes because only now is the Navy considering spreading out its shipyards across the country (so 5 shipyards instead of one in Lisbon) because it makes more sense for logistics, security and attracting recruits, and it is baffling that this wasn't the case already. I do think it's worth mentioning that the Navy contracted national a national company for 6 new patrol ships, which shows that at least someone still cares.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >contracted national a national company
            *contracted a national company. Sorry I was gonna phrase that differently at first. I'd like to underline so that there's no confusion, but what I mentioned in this

            https://i.imgur.com/oXEe6LT.gif

            What isn't really talked about in this thread because most Portuguese people on PrepHole aren't actually informed on anything that isn't yelling about Black folk despite this country being Black person tier by European standards, is that national companies and some academic circles attached to engineering departments threw a fricking piss fit when this project went to public bid. The government and navy gave no preference to national companies or groups, no early warning that the project was gonna go into public bid etc. This means that any company and group that could have prepared itself to scale up for this project just didn't have the time and was outcompeted by foreign companies, I don't mean just on the ship building itself but on the implementation of all the various systems the carrier is gonna have. And we know these companies would have been able to form proper plans for scaling up because Portugal was actually given more funds from the EU (due to the COVID and inflation shit) than it can spend.
            >Fonte?
            Vai ler em vez de chorares sobre monhés o dia todo.

            post is mainly about companies not getting to be a part of public bids on other aspects of the carrier's systems, beats me if any of the shipbuilding capacity we have would have been able to scale up for the carrier itself .

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a bit Black persony indeed. There wouldn't have been anything wrong with giving the domestic companies preferential treatment in initial bidding.

        Could it be that the government doesn't want to create the image of them favoring x company because of all the bribery and corruption scandals?
        Or did the gypsies bribe someone?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What isn't really talked about in this thread because most Portuguese people on PrepHole aren't actually informed on anything

        Doesn't really differ much from other places in that regard tbh. What kind of gun laws do you have?

        >The government and navy gave no preference to national companies or groups

        What could be the motive for this if it wasn't corruption, just sheer animosity towards local industry?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What kind of gun laws do you have?
          You can own guns but their purpose is hunting, the state doesn't actually want you using guns for self-defense and that gets you in trouble, which should be no surprise seeing as you need a permit to have pepper spray here last time I checked.
          >What could be the motive for this if it wasn't corruption, just sheer animosity towards local industry?
          Like I mentioned in a post above, zero foresight and incompetence. This place has a large ageing, education standards are low, and wealth is miserably low compared to the other countries in the Western side of Europe, worth noting too is that a lot of younger higher educated people leave. The end result is a population that does not give a shit about anything that's not their short-term pensions and finances and almost all political decisions are made through that optic. Our armed forces were gutted during our economic crisis, and it never recovered because your average person here just does not care about anything but their immediate income and that's reflected in policies, out of the 9 main parties in our current elections, only 2 mention the armed forces in their programs and only one of them does so to mention policies, while the other proposes nothing and complains about the failures of the current government. As it stands our armed forces are outdated, lack the funds to even maintain their outdated shit, and lack the resources to attract new recruits. I could go on plenty of schizo rants about problems I've heard about and experienced personally, but I wouldn't be able to source specific things, and frankly the state of affairs has gone from embarrassing to outright demoralising.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >, the state doesn't actually want you using guns for self-defense and that gets you in trouble

            Explain this then

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Explain this then
              I was responding to a post that mentioned Portuguese people. I understand the confusion though, both our countries have plenty of gypsies and we're technically both close to Galicia.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As an American, it's a little scary how much a post focused on Portugal reads like it could have been describing Romania. Are the same problems really endemic everywhere over there?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's funny you post this because a talking point among opposition politicians here is that Romania has experienced a better growth over the longer term than Portugal. I don't know if that's true but I certainly don't see the current government denying it, what I can tell you is that we went into the 90s with a very low literacy rate compared to the rest of Europe, and no industrial base to speak of, when we joined the EU that really just meant that most small industries had no chance to compete, and most people could just find a better job in the rest of the EU, the implications here are obvious really, we've become an unsustainable shithole that bleeds itself dry paying for pensions. Even though a lot of Eastern European countries have it bad when you look at statistics, I think they have far more potential to recover from the suffering that was being a part of the soviet union's experiment since factors like demography, geography, and geopolitics favour these countries far more than this country in the current age.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn. Sorry to here that, Portugalbro. I hope the brain-drain spiral is reverseable..

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I hope the brain-drain spiral is reverseable
                They're importing retirees and passive-income folk to prop up the economy and digital nomads in the hope they create a startup and employ people or something or at least rub off on the locals.

                It's been a problem for rent prices though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Problem is retirees contribute minimally to the economy by virtue of paying next to no taxes and digital nomads are already employed. I think there was also a tax scheme that allowed for significantly reduced tax rates for highly-qualified Portuguese citizens returning from abroad for like 5 years (?), but i don't think it took off.

                T. tuga emigrante

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The retirees aren't there to earn, they're there to spend.
                The point is that their money comes in from another country, sits in a Portuguese bank account (to be invested or lent against etc), gets spent in the local economy on rent/groceries/appliances/hair cuts and their medical care is paid for either by private insurance or some reciprocal agreement with another country. Either way, it brings in foreign money to pay your doctors with.
                When they die, some of that money will be forgotten and lost and remain in the economy. They're also more likely to spend down their savings than to live off it and leave it behind untouched, this means that you probably don't even have to give any money back to their heirs and if you do, well you got good use out of it for basically nothing anyway.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it seems Romania and other former Warsaw Pact members are starting to get their shit together. Or at least they are starting to realize the ways of capitalism and free market.
                Also, it didn't help Portugal had one of the most moronic dictators of the last century with his "ruralist utopian paradise" that he basically didn't give a frick about literacy. Plus the fact that there is some kind of weird affinity of the Portuguese with commies, even they still have an official active commie party with seats in the parliament.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Commies helped Portugal get rid of said dictatorship. They actually practiced the ideals they claim to strive for. Can you fathom what it's like to go from a dictatorship to freedom? And the way it happened? No bloody coup, no civil war, literally people in the streets giving flowers to the soldiers who staged the revolution? If you did it in a movie people would say it's "feel good bullshit". Also suddenly your son, or your husband fighting in a bloody war across the ocean over land no one gave a frick about came home, just like that, it was over. Anyway, the commies had a part in that. The song on the radio that signaled the green light for the military revolution was a commie song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVKf00VGjGM
                They were associated with the revolution and helped build the state. Fought for worker rights, health care, that sort of thing.
                The communist party is dying if not at death's bed. It has practically no presence in my generation, much less the soulless zoomers. It's largely irrelevant politically especially since the old party leader left. It gets the votes of the older lower class, still riding the coattails of their part in the reformation of the government. Recently it left a really bad taste, at least in my mouth, when they all but proved they were Russia's mouth piece over here when it came to Ukraine. I never cared about the commies, to me they were just the guys who's job was to say everything the government did was bad but at least their platform was to fight for the little guy. I never considered them traitorous to the country unlike these alt-right filth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that an M41? Rare to see those in photos outside of Vietnam, not one of our more popular tanks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Early model M47, with a couple of EBRs around it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why Spain didn't join the bid. They are building a lot of stuff for other countries, right now. If any, it would make sense they would be aware of its neighbor needs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Damen's largest shipyard is in Galatz, no joke. It's the only Damen shipyard capable of building ships over 10k tons. Every other Damen shipyard can only build frigate-sized vessels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have already lived to see Australian wine sold in Paris, and Tasmanian scotch in Edinburgh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Australian wine sold in Paris, and Tasmanian scotch in Edinburgh
        Australian rice in China and Japan too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've had some salmon raised by a german living in Tasmania
          it was a real treat, not going back to get more tough

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I've had some salmon raised by a german living in Tasmania
            >it was a real treat, not going back to get more tough
            Tasmanian salmon is really good, actually Tassie has a lot of very high quality food exports.
            King Island cheese is amazing too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >King Island cheese
              not really into cheese
              I've been to most of aussy land now because my brother has gotten his permanent residency (don't worry he's in one of the 3 big cities with al the other pompous c**ts)
              And I have to say that I liked Tasmania the most, great nature, great food and no birds that want to kill me

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And Camels to Saudi Arabia

          >you know the native Papuans would probably be less of a pain for the indos if the indos stopped occupying their land
          They'd still be just as bad to each other and tourists though.

          But yes, frick Indonesia. Timor/Papua needs to be independent.

          Even though it would be a cluster frick of nation I’d prefer a free and democratic West Papua rather than the current resource extraction and exploitation racket Indonesia has going on with them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Even though it would be a cluster frick of nation I’d prefer a free and democratic West Papua
            Time for another /k/ thread on that Australian engineer turned freedom fighter.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AI piloted carriers of AI drones are the future of warfare
    Imagine not needing 1000 trained people to fly 1000 drones, just some old I7 and DDR3 ram

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and we thought this was stupid.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I figured out drone carriers would one day become a real thing as far back as 20 years ago, when Predators started being used on a large scale in A-stan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's stupid because it was meant to carry F-35s and now it's cucked with drones

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The helicopter/drone carrier crossover mission ship is in a very interesting place. Some missions troops need to be landed at a small scale with minimal drone support. At other large static times sit back and turn drone operations up to 11 fill transport decks with munitions. Pic related IDK if attack helicopters fit in think they going to go away.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're probably going to replace the SuperCobras with that medium-weight helicopter they're currently developing alongside the ATAK 2.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is Romania building all of our shit now
    hell I'd buy a Dacia if I had the money

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you gyppos frick off from /k/. You're the most pathetic no-guns nation in Europe with the worst gun laws, you have no right to make fun of anyone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fake news

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        English version

        Now do self-defense laws and how many people are actually armed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fake news

      English version

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's some truly demented legislation you have there, i think only the bongs have it worse. No wonder you are the noguns capital of Europe lmao

        I'd just like to remind everyone that romanian women are neither "based" nor "trad." They're filthy dime a dozen prostitutes. Ugly as sin and insufferable too. I'd go for a "degenerate" American woman any day over a romanian one.
        t. lives there.

        Tate, is that you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tate, is that you?
          He seemed to be into trashy prostitutes, even if it was to turn them out.

          I'd just like to remind everyone that romanian women are neither "based" nor "trad." They're filthy dime a dozen prostitutes. Ugly as sin and insufferable too. I'd go for a "degenerate" American woman any day over a romanian one.
          t. lives there.

          >I'd just like to remind everyone that romanian women are neither "based" nor "trad."
          I've had some bad experiences with Romanian women without ever setting foot in the country and it was enough to convince me never to do so. And I'm not talking street gypsies.

          Given their Roman and Byzantine pasts, I'd say Thrace has a pretty long-established wine tradition.

          >Given their Roman and Byzantine pasts, I'd say Thrace has a pretty long-established wine tradition
          There's good wine all along the the lower black sea coastal countries. Especially Georgia which possibly invented wine from grapes. Turkish wine can be extremely good too which is weird but I've had some amazing wine there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mutts have over 300 million firearms and you're not doing shit with them against the millions of immigrants invading your country every year, so STFU!

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd just like to remind everyone that romanian women are neither "based" nor "trad." They're filthy dime a dozen prostitutes. Ugly as sin and insufferable too. I'd go for a "degenerate" American woman any day over a romanian one.
    t. lives there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't say they are ugly, agreed about the rest though.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm surprised no one else did this first, even to just test out the concept. I'm sure the US has a "helicopter carrier" to spare. Modify it a bit and see how it preforms with just drones (and a helicopter or two since one would be required).
    There would be a lot to learn from that, and it would be a relatively cheap and easy testbed.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what exactly is the real difference between a drone carrier and a regular carrier?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's only 110 meters regular 330. It's also I'm guessing 50 times less in weight. Drones require a lot less logistics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It can be much smaller and lighter, like WW2 escort carriers, because it's carrying light weight, subsonic aircraft with comparatively short take off and landing lengths

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Like the video game?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically wish I could be put into a boxing ring with homosexuals that post Twitter screenshots. I literally want to kill them with my bare hands

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