Rogue 1 loitering munition system by Teledyne FLIR the new kamikaze drone for Anglos.

Rogue 1™ loitering munition system by Teledyne FLIR the new kamikaze drone for Anglos. 2x speed 2x range 3x flight time over your FPV at home.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has a modular warhead and battery and can return and be reused if its not fired. The 1 pound warhead is on the same gimbal as the optics for ez aim.
    There's a training warhead, an EFP, and a tungsten cube directional frag.

    The USMC bought it for OPF-L.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok that's great how many dozens of off the shelf conversions are you giving up to pay for it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2x speed 2x range 3x flight time over your FPV at home.
        How much will cost more than bootleg Ukrainian fpv drones manufactured with Chinese components?

        Even more seething poor third workers in this thread !

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >space before exclamation point
          Poojection.
          The west needs to see drones cogently not as a boutique instrument but as a democratization of violence similar to the firearm. A few guys with rifles and everyone else carrying sticks doesn't go very far when the other guy gave everyone at least a musket.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would unironically take 5 M4 and 15 sticks over 20 muskets.
            I hope you would too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, but there's a limit to how much more investment you can reasonably put in before returns diminish. A really fancy FPV drone is almost certainly not worth a thousand cheap conversions, as ultimately they aren't physically that different.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Homemade FPVs are worthless against EW. Would you rather have 5 milspec kamikazes with terrain tracking autonomy or infinite Chinese 2.4GHz analog bind-and-fly quadcopters which can't come within 2km of the jammer standard on every American Humvee?

                When amateur fully AI drones are common then the argument from mass will make sense for Western forces; but until then, it's silly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Homemade FPVs are worthless against EW
                Are those provisions what make up the difference or is it golden toilets for execs and shit like

                >the fricking single use protective cover is made out of carbon fiber
                FRICK I HATE THESE moronic ARMS COMPANIES WHAT THE FRICK

                ? Because my bet is on the latter. Autonomy and terrain tracking are software problems, there's no reason you couldn't make a generic swap in kit with those functions that costs less than 1k, not 90k.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's both. That's how Western corruption works. You don't earn a golden toilet by delivering stuff that underperforms.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When amateur fully AI drones are common
                This is coming soon btw. All the technology already exists in ubiquitous form, it just requires someone smart enough to put it all together. We will probably see them becoming common during this war if it goes on for two more years.

                Fully autonomous? probably not, but it will guide into the target even if it looses operator command.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Spooky shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Homemade FPVs are worthless against EW
                Statistically around a fourth make it through, which means even if this system goes straight through on the first try, it's still dozens of times as expensive for close strikes.
                Gonna be yet another niche system like the Switchblade that never makes it into mass production.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Statistically around a fourth make it through
                Against Russian jammers. Statistically, about zero make it through agasint Western ones.

                Look at this from a fighter's perspective instead of an economists. You're suggesting carrying 4x the weight, 4x the volume, and using 4x the time to kill the same number of targets. That is tolerable in a static trench war between incompetents, but Western soldiers expect better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but Western soldiers expect better.
                You mean like home-on-jam munitions that disable the enemy's EW efforts and let you use those cheap FPV drones just fine? Or modern ATGMs? If you're comparing to a Western military system, you've got to include the whole thing. In a Western system, cheap, spammable FPV drones would be even better than they are right now in Ukraine.
                Even so,

                >When amateur fully AI drones are common
                This is coming soon btw. All the technology already exists in ubiquitous form, it just requires someone smart enough to put it all together. We will probably see them becoming common during this war if it goes on for two more years.

                Fully autonomous? probably not, but it will guide into the target even if it looses operator command.

                applies, and in a couple years those cheap-shit mass produced drones are going to be capable of operating under effective jamming.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You mean like home-on-jam munitions that disable the enemy's EW efforts and let you use those cheap FPV drones just fine
                Home-made home-on-jam barely works on home-made FPVs which are blasting a continuous signal. good luck getting it to work against Western datalinks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Good luck getting it to work against Western datalinks.
                What did he mean by this?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there a misunderstanding of what home-on-jam is here?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >amateur fully AI drones
                It's closer than you think. Russians are already doing it with COTS equipment.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When amateur fully AI drones are common
                So in like 3 or 4 months?

                Sucks that we won't get first-person on those kills.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't disclose the datalink but that antenna looks familiar.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the fricking single use protective cover is made out of carbon fiber
        FRICK I HATE THESE moronic ARMS COMPANIES WHAT THE FRICK

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We are using a drone to target with a drone
        I'd rather use a drone to target with a brimstone
        But! man portable! yess drone on drone kissing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1 pound warhead
      >$100 000
      That's really fricking grim jeesus christ

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only worth it if it has EW resistance or has autonomous capabilities. Otherwise its basically just lighting money on fire. Datalink is nice though.
      At its price point and range, there's gonna be a lot of overlap with ATGMs or air launched munitions, both of which are far more lethal and reliable. Its use cases are going to be much, much slimmer than dronegays would have you believe.

      >The 1 pound warhead is on the same gimbal as the optics for ez aim.
      Interesting idea that adds a lot more versatility, but that warhead is anemic for the size of the drone. They should probably add a second, non-directional HE charge and frag to the body of the drone.

      https://i.imgur.com/4BCxoDX.jpeg

      [...]
      Cool.
      >hundreds of thousands of dollars 10 years ago
      >industry catches up, no longer represents novel capacity
      >hundreds of thousands of dollars today
      This has been a lesson in not trusting the MIC and military contractors to obey rational market dynamics.

      >This has been a lesson in not trusting the MIC and military contractors to obey rational market dynamics.
      Cronyism to some extent is basically inevitable considering that the government itself is the primary customer, and also is the one signing off on other people buying these weapons.
      To play Devil's advocate however, the US military does pay a lot of the upfront R&D costs that make technology cheaper for consumers down the line.
      Still, the DoD has a very painful lesson to learn in the event of a protracted large scale conflict.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2x speed 2x range 3x flight time over your FPV at home.
    How much will cost more than bootleg Ukrainian fpv drones manufactured with Chinese components?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lots. This is ATGM price range. The benefit is it gets peer level datalinks and sensors.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If it can survive in an EW saturated environment, the price would be worth it. If it is as susceptible to Russian EW as the cheap-ass FPVs, then it's a huge waste.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If they were going to overengineer it they should have just made it to fire a rocket instead of self-destructing. Shit looks to expensive.

        Yeah, just fire an ATGM at this point, from a safer range instead. FPV are literally improvised shitweapons that cost frick all because they use all of the surplus PG7-VL warheads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok that's great how many dozens of off the shelf conversions are you giving up to pay for it?

      https://i.imgur.com/Ym1S4XP.jpeg

      Lots. This is ATGM price range. The benefit is it gets peer level datalinks and sensors.

      frick the price. Can they mass-produce this? say a thousand a day

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's what the Replicator drone program is about.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    90,000 dollars each
    Btw, the battery is 1854-turbohomo-propetary-11A and last 2 years, +$9,999.99 for each replacement.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1 pound warhead
      >$100 000
      That's really fricking grim jeesus christ

      >equipment in LRIP costs a lot per unit
      Shocking and unpredictable.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6.5 mememoor
      bros...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        for how americans would use is, which it to scuttle around scouting and sniping people as a valuable but expendable recon asset.

        https://i.imgur.com/JbS3ztG.gif

        >USMC using 7.62x39
        ??????????????????????????????????

        for how the people we might give the thing would use it, which is to check doors, corners and get blow up a lot in minefields. In which case you don't want to give whoever salvages the wreckage afterward a high quality, expensive and accurate rifle, so for example, if we give them to ukraine, they will stick AKs on them and then send them into apartment buildings where they will be killed by vatniks with shovels or w/e and worst case all you done is given the vatniks another AK, rather than given them a 6.5 creedmor marksmans rifle to cause trouble with.

        Its all just compatibility testing, "give it a modern, high end accuarte rifle and see if it works" and then "give it the oldest shittiest gun that people are actually quite likely to stick on it and see if it works"

        Theres a reason "AK on a sentry turret" is a popular theme and thats that AK are quite dangerous at short ranges and ubiquitous and utterly expendable. They are the exact sort of gun that will get used to arm cheap scout drones and sentry guns, precisely because if they are lost destroyed or captured no one gives a shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >USMC using 7.62x39
      ??????????????????????????????????

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Onions
    Said the newbie.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks expensive, which kind of defeats the original purpose of them.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends how much they'll cost if mass produced is (price of prototypes is irrelevant)

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another day of bongs trying to make weapons only to create a worse replica that doesn't hit the market and they resort to shilling tactics to retain that sliver of relevance they once had

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, $100000 price tag?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AeroVironment Switchblade is the better system they should just buy more 300s, fixed wing ftw.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The amount of seethe this thing is producing youd swear the DJI board of directors is shilling ITT themselves

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah it's definitely DJI shilling because they lost all those Western military contracts with this move. wtf are you actually on

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why so bitter?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is being baffled by your post "bitter"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh you're just stupid.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You sound bitter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's anglo's. That's all the reason he needs to seethe his entire life.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The biggest sign that you aren't American is how vigorously you choose to defend our govt spending.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Send them to Ukraine.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$94,000 each
    Some beltway butthole really needs that new house huh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$94,000 each
      Imagine profit margins on that thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        $18k chink DJI T30 drone for comparison tho geolocked & geofuzed by CCP so they can't be used in wars.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you guys know that the first B-29 ever built cost $3 billion in 1945 dollars? Did you know that the 2nd through 250th B-29s ever built cost $1 million apiece? Did you know that late production B-29s cost $500,000 each?
    This has been a brief lesson on how scale of production works.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Did you guys know that the first B-29 ever built cost $3 billion in 1945 dollars?
      Yeah and ot was a massive waste of money program

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It literally ended a war that would have otherwise claimed millions of lives.
        >But it cost money!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally didn't tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it didn't you moronic shill

            Y'all didn't graduate high school, did you?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so it didn't

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think the atomic bombs teleported themselves to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it didn't you moronic shill

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >equipment in LRIP costs a lot per unit
      Shocking and unpredictable.

      Cool.
      >hundreds of thousands of dollars 10 years ago
      >industry catches up, no longer represents novel capacity
      >hundreds of thousands of dollars today
      This has been a lesson in not trusting the MIC and military contractors to obey rational market dynamics.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >10 years ago
        It was announced two days ago.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The black hornet in my post was not announced two days ago.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're two separate, complete unrelated things, anon. The only thing they have in common is that they're drones.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              One of the people I replied to literally references the B29.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does the B-29 have to do with the Black Hornet micro drone?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is a fever dream of a post holy shit.
                You morons think the B29 is a great object lesson in how LRIP works. I'm using black hornet as an object lesson in how 'muh LRIP' is not a guarantee of future price adjustments with the MIC.
                Somehow you think the B29 example is more relevant.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In 2018, the US Army bought 60 Hornet 3 drones,[21] and in 2022 another 300.
                Wow, it's almost as if the cost savings that come with scale of production doesn't work when you don't produce something at scale.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                circa 2k16
                >According to Aviation Week, more than 3,000 PD-100 air vehicles have been delivered, and the system has been used operationally in Afghanistan by British Army units since 2012.
                Those bigots should have just bought 30,000, right? REAL LRIP HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                3,000 is practically cottage industry numbers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's literally making the "they should have bought 30,000 real LRIP has never been tried" argument
                jej alright. So you're not gonna be surprised when the same thing happens with this thing, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry you don't understand how numbers work, but I can't really help you there.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >LRIP works like this, except when it doesn't, then you can't talk about it because.. because it doesn't work like that! go away!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The prices for low-rate initial production items don't go down when you don't buy enough for economies of scale to happen
                I don't know how I can explain this any simpler.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let me clarify for you. You can't simultaneously keep coming back to LRIP to justify moronic pricing, ignore that said moronic pricing drives down procurement, arbitrarily determine that the appropriate number of units is "whatever is more than the number actually shipped" and keep expecting people to buy that LRIP and economies of scale are going to save this turd.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why am I not getting bulk pricing when I only buy a single item?!?!?!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >accuses me of not understanding numbers
                >thinks 3000 = 1
                btw both of these drones, the black hornet 10 year running graft machine that costs 200,000 for a single camera, and the rogue 1 that spawned this thread, are from the same company. "MUH nothing in common" LMAO

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please explain how building 60 micro drones a year is anything other than low-rate production.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >3k/4 = 60
                Master of numbers at it again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See:

                >In 2018, the US Army bought 60 Hornet 3 drones,[21] and in 2022 another 300.
                Wow, it's almost as if the cost savings that come with scale of production doesn't work when you don't produce something at scale.

                >In 2018, the US Army bought 60 Hornet 3 drones

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                circa 2k16
                >According to Aviation Week, more than 3,000 PD-100 air vehicles have been delivered, and the system has been used operationally in Afghanistan by British Army units since 2012.
                Those bigots should have just bought 30,000, right? REAL LRIP HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

                >3k purchases between 2k12 and 2k16
                Bitching about low orders in 2018 when the project had already failed to improve in any way for 6 fricking years is moronic. No shit your orders drop when you can't clean up your act.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > $100000
    Good luck producing them in any significant (10k+) numbers

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can it be produced by hundreds a day?
    Also, I'm not sure why you comparing it to the FPV drones. This is clearly a replacement for the Mavics

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kills your drone

    Pssh. Nothing personell kid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I say: better put M4 on it and start shooting troops

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2x speed 2x range 3x flight time
    And 223x the price tag.
    Not even kidding. This thing costs 94k. Cheapest FPVs are in the 400-500 range. Literally 223 times more expensive.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    israeli onions. overpriced piece of shit.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the guy who built this thing in the thread? Holy shit there is one tryhard fricker here dying to convince everyone it's great.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    turdies and yuropoors seethe and cry: the thread.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just waiting for Teledyne to rebrand to Cyberdyne then calling it a night.

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