>ROE changes. >sees contacts, can't readily tell if they're civilian or not

>ROE changes
>sees contacts, can't readily tell if they're civilian or not
>doesn't fire right away, instead calls out contacts to his sergeant
>sergeant doesn't look to confirm, tells him to fire
>shoots at contacts, obeying his sergeant and new ROE

How exactly was Trombley in the wrong here? He fired on contacts in the area of an objective that was being actively assaulted after being told by his superior officer to engage, while following the newly-established rules of engagement.

You can argue that he shouldn't have fired without being able to clearly see the target, but if he wouldn't have engaged and it would have actually been Iraqi military, he could have cost the lives of his teammates.

>but the airfield was deserted

No one knew that until they got there.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whopper jr

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly though it's a fricking kino nickname

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >litigate a scene from this television adaptation of a semi-mythical account of some dumbfricks in a sand war twenty years ago
    no

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're like an Oblivion NPC. Someone came up to you, tried to start a conversation, and you said something equally as meaningless as "I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lot of anons on this board seem to hate anyone who makes a thread for any reason to be honest

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not like he got in any frickin trouble over it lol
    He got a nickname and made fun of a little bit, and a couple looks of distaste from certain dudes.
    Unironically he got more shit over the shitter incident, you're just a fragile crybaby.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not like he got in any frickin trouble over it lol
      >He got a nickname and made fun of a little bit, and a couple looks of distaste from certain dudes.
      >Unironically he got more shit over the shitter incident, you're just a fragile crybaby.
      This, /thread OP is a homosexual 100% of the time etc. Even if "following orders and technically within the ROE" if you end up shooting rando civvies you're probably going to have some people who don't really think much about the details of the situation, or who project overall reasonable distaste at being in the situation at all onto individuals stuck in the shit.

      This is ALWAYS the case with humans, not even a military thing. Who do people give the most shit when they're angry with some awful megacorp policy handed down from on high by MBAs and consultants? The poor shleb working for minimum wage at the front desk or tiller and has exactly zero say. Just happens.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Unironically he got more shit over the shitter incident, you're just a fragile crybaby.

      >trombly can shoot a moving target from a moving humveee with just a m2409 mounted on an open window, not even stabilized by a vehicle mount
      >can't even shit straight using a shitter box

      literally unironically wtf was his problem

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's cause he's a psycho

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He cares about shooting, not shitting.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because he's a psycho who just wants to kill people no matter what, miss that part? he's not even supposed to be in that unit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny thing that book author wrote after incident that he likes Trombley for his mad gunnery skills and that he is on his side protecting his life is reassuring information.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just wants to kill people no matter what
      Who the frick joins the marines just to do push-ups and fold bed sheets in the morning?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's even more funny because you constantly here other marines talking about how badly they want to kill throughout the entire show.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every E9

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's a tv show moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he shot unarmed kids, thats why, doesn't matter that he was allowed to.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not. His. Fricking. Problem. If Arabs didn’t bring their kids into active fricking combat zones this shit wouldn’t happen. Every fricking Arab war has like frick-tons of child casualties ‘cuz they conduct Africa tier warfare and bring-your-child-to-war day is everyday.
      >But it’s literally in their backyard!
      Did the Ukrainians arm their children and take them to fight the Russians in the Donbas? Frick no, they told civilians to get the frick out of the area and they listed. Literally only 70 iq inbred cousin-fricking morons do this shit and that’s why they win the Darwin Award.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If Arabs didn’t bring their kids into active fricking combat zones
        You mean their homes, that the USA was invading? This is some upside down shit man.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am sure in 20 years we will have a good russian show about the discussions of ROE, civilians, winning hearts and minds, that are currently taking place among Storm-Z Units. I am sure it will show the downsides of the russian military such as nepotism, incompetence, psychopaths, and unclear goals.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but muh Russia
            Even Bush no longer defends the war and says it was a mistake launched based on “faulty intelligence” and his biggest regret.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine did have children making molotov wienertails

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And? There's no logical connection between your post and what you responded to

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and after they did that the Russians started shooting any civilians who got too close. War crimes weren't just invented by liberals who wanted to ruin everybody's fun, they exist because breaking them has never ended well for anybody involved.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >after

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russian war crimes started the minute they entered Ukraine you disingenuous homosexual. There's literally dozens of videos of day 1 shootings at civilians. Civilians who didn't even know the invasion had begun.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine isn't full occupied, and every other week they cry about the 26k war orphans that the Russians kidnapped, these are kids captured in the warzone btw.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not. His. Fricking. Problem.
        Not true, according to the international laws of war
        https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule154#title-2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was nothing unlawful about the declaration of the airfield and its occupants as hostile.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't in the wrong, and later on some of the other characters privately confirm as much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He wasn't in the wrong

      legally, sure. but he is exactly why other Lts didn't want to tell their guys the roe change.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >legally, sure
        The Hauge found that following orders to kill civilians isn't legal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          , sure
          >The Hauge found that following orders to kill civilians isn't legal.
          1. The US is not a current signatory to the ICC, and therefore legally the Hague has zero authority or jurisdiction.

          2. "Following orders to kill civilians" specifically means KNOWINGLY (or reckless negligence) specifically gunning down civilians. Like, you've got a bunch of unarmed civvies under custody, they're just huddled around, and you're ordered to massacre them. Accidents where someone thinks they're hostiles and gets it wrong aren't crimes even under the ICC, nor is collateral damage so long as all reasonable efforts are undertaken to minimize it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >US is not a current signatory to the ICC, and therefore legally the Hague has zero authority or jurisdiction.
            Legally Hague takes audacity to take legal authority over all military conflicts regardless of the sides signatures, or acknowledgement of conficts existence. Like it was with Nuremberg tribunal. There was no specific laws signed by countries participating in trial, so they proceeded on basis of "entire humanity general law"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So what you're saying is that the Hague is a parasitic entity built on restricting man's God-given right to self-determination and should be destroyed to return the balance of order in the Universe?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Legally Hague takes audacity to take legal authority over all military conflicts
              Nope. If you haven't ratified the Rome Statute, then like any treaty there is no obligation and no authority. In fact, the US has even passed a specific law (the American Service-Members' Protection Act) that specifically authorized the President to use military force (as well as lesser measures like sanctions) against the ICC or any country that attempts to take and prosecute American military. No further Congressional action required. Sure, in theory with enough military power other countries could force the US to submit, that's how geopolitics works at the most fundamental level, but in practice the US is more militarily powerful then the 120 (or whatever exact number it is now) signatories combined (note that China and plenty of other serious powers aren't signatories either).
              >Like it was with Nuremberg tribunal
              No, that was pure victor's justice. The Allies won, and thus they got to bring the losers to trial for their crimes. If the Axis had somehow won, no doubt plenty of allies would have been "brought to trial" for stuff like firebombing cities (and it would have been far more show trials and far more political, some Nuremberg prosecuted people did in fact get off).
              >There was no specific laws signed by countries participating in trial, so they proceeded on basis of "entire humanity general law"
              "Law" is a function of power. The fundamental dynamic there was simple victory and defeat. The allies had ultimate power over the surrendered Axis members, who had lost utterly and surrendered unconditionally.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're so fricking stupid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I thought that acorn was shooting at me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ???

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I thought those two children herding camels were an RPG team

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you illiterate? Maybe blind?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wasted digits 🙁

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wasted get
                you suck

                Frick you

                Wasted

                Do you think changes to ROE are guidelines or Fuhrer Directives?

                Ahahaha! Seethe more homosexuals! Digits prove I'm right!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wasted get
              you suck

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Frick you

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wasted

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you think changes to ROE are guidelines or Fuhrer Directives?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fricking disgusting. Kys

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Waow.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Digits confirm.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Based digits anon shitting on gay greentext arguments from people who have no better ones.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              F

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rope yourself

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What a waste. Genuinely consider suicide by rope

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you need to think thrice before posting something. what a gargantuan waste

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's note that the change in the ROE was made because Godfather in his infinite moronation decided to turn a recon mission into an assault against possible manned T-72s. Of course that doesn't matter though because Trombly would have just SAW'd them in half and Cpt. America would finish off the surrenders.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For context:

    ?si=SoiVtXTxjhOml5sh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The early GWOT was so kino, wish I was there.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    notice how marines portrayed in the book aren't even half as bloodthirsty as an israeli?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s because Americans have lower testosterone levels compared to other countries ‘cause their diet consists mainly of estrogen-rich McDonald’s fast fool.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't technically in the wrong, but he'd already complained about not being allowed to shoot people, so everyone thought he was looking for an excuse and maybe he was.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's up with all the gk posting today?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    NTA but you really have to drop it with the emotional hysterics.
    Trust me, no one but yourself feels the divine anger you are so righteously wielding right now.
    It's almost like it's all in your head and your grasp on reality is tenuous at best.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How exactly was Trombley in the wrong here?
    He wasn't, that's kinda the point in the TV show. He gets treated badly purely because he's a sperg who isn't well liked.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Officer
    Iceman was enlisted
    >ROE
    Yeah that was moronic. They declared it a free fire zone and there’s a reason the CO the next company over refused to relay the change in ROE to his guys.
    >How was Trombleg in the wrong?
    He wasn’t. He followed orders and the ROE. However the fact that he was a compulsive liar, obsessed with killing for the sake of killing, and kept shitting on the lefty israelite journo made him look particularly bad when he shot civilians.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see the huge flaws in Trombley's characters other viewers see.
      Trombley is a mercurial dude, he's hard to get a read on and you never really know if he's your friend, but he proves through his actions time and time again that his first priority is the mission and the safety of his fellow marines.
      His purpose in the show is obviously to be an unlikable scapegoat, but they don't portray him without humanity.
      He's just a dumb hick who they have an M249 to because he shoots good; you tell him what to do and he does it.
      Both times he killed civilians, it wasn't an act of cruelty or some sadistic fantasy shit, he was shooting the people who he got told to shoot, at the place where they told him they should get shot at.

      Airfield
      >Engage any contact
      >No friendlies in area
      >Weapons free

      Roadblock
      >No more warning shots
      >If car advances
      >We fire smoke grenades
      >If car continues to advance
      >Open fire

      Simple as.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The TL;DR of this is that Trombley is a shooter.
        Marines need shooters a lot more than they do reporters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Roadblock
        That was Walt.
        >Trombley was painted as a moron
        He was a moron. Most teenagers are morons and that’s what he was. He made up bullshit stories about his family being in shady secret squirrel cia type shit, ripping a biting dogs stomach out, etc. He was just socially awkward as frick. I think he got shit on particularly hard because he told the reporter to curl up like the little b***h he was if they got shot at. Dudes in their 30s don’t want to hear that shit from a kid regardless of if they’re right. He was good in a firefight though. And that was enough.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Chad Trombley vs the Virgin Reporter

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Trombley tells dark joke, makes entire squad laugh
            >Reporter angrily scribbling in the background
            Many such cases

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I find it strange he seemed to like Ray so much and hated Trombley. Like they both gave him shit for being a liberal reporter, gay bashed, said and did a bunch of dumb goober shit, etc. Like Ray was their best coms guy but Trombley was also a prodigious shooter it seems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny you say that, because the reporter actually admits in his book that he felt safer whenever Trombley was around.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It honestly just seemed like an age thing for me. Ray and Brad were both late 20s early 30s already. Trombley was the youngest, least trained, and lowest ranking person in the truck. When Scribe came into the mix Trombley wanted him to be bottom of the totem poll and the journo didn’t want to be socially beneath the teenage redneck with directionless desire for murder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trombley wasn't a recon marine to begin with, was he? There was probably that difference in character and intelligence between a crayon eater and a crayon eater deluxe that lead to it all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. The whole operation for them was fricked with a bunch of recon marines that usually operate in small teams as a well…recon unit thrown into Humvees and told to operate as a highly mobile infantry unit instead, with b***h made paper pushing officers that had no real understanding of infantry tactics, and bandaid emergency spot fillers like Trombley.
                >Character
                They stole his girlfriends picture and took turns jerking off on it but he sucks everyone else’s dick throughout the series.

                Probably because Ray was actually funny even when he was saying the most heinous shit, while Trombley came off as an awkward, insecure tryhard who was looked down upon by the actual Recon Marines, and tried to compensate for it by looking down on the only civvie onboard.

                >Trombley was a goober
                Correct
                >Compensated by looking down on the only civilian
                I honestly feel like they all were. They all bullied him the homosexual just didn’t want to take it from the lowest ranking dude in the group.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably because Ray was actually funny even when he was saying the most heinous shit, while Trombley came off as an awkward, insecure tryhard who was looked down upon by the actual Recon Marines, and tried to compensate for it by looking down on the only civvie onboard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he likes Ray because he thinks Ray is an ironybro saying ironic and sarcastic shit like "war is the motherfricking shit" while Trombley will say earnestly say, "I like it out here".
                It never occurs to Rolling Stone that maybe, perhaps, possibly, Ray is also earnest when he says outrageously he also "likes it out here"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ray's post ripped fuel comedown seems to undermine that hypothesis, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The breakdown in the show was bullshit shoehorned in to provide commentary on veteran PTSD like when israeliteberg shoehorned in the Holocaust episode into BoB. Reality is that Person wasn’t a tall skinny half israelite actor he was a goofy looking dumb redneck from Missouri that already had a deployment under his belt and kept at it for a while. He didn’t freak out and cry about jock buttholes in high school (like seriously? FRUITY RUDY IS THE JOCK butthole?!!!) and it helped Rudy showcase his martial arts skills he’s been shilling ever since. Ever notice how the reporter sucked Rudy’s dick at every opportunity? It’s because he’s a cringe libshit from San Francisco that just happened to kill people for a living.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah and he was a consultant and actor on the show. Ray isn’t nearly as photogenic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/pNEXUPG.jpeg

                Oh yeah and he was a consultant and actor on the show. Ray isn’t nearly as photogenic.

                Stop trying to talk like they do on the show, you're too moronic to pull it off and it just looks embarrassing. I'm referring to him going fricking silent at the end of the invasion while he processed everything that happened over the invasion. That happened, everyone talked about it, Person included.

                I know fat neverserved homosexuals like you from milquetoast ohio suburbs spend all your time jacking off over what you think "real warriors" look like, but they're not steven seagal characters. You want to know why they did that football scene with Rudy? Watch this.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >making up headcanon about the reporter character after you decided to hate all journalists in 2016

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lurking on PrepHole as an assmad reporter/suckup after you fricked up your entire industry
                >thinking it started in 2016
                very sad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but he proves through his actions time and time again that his first priority is the mission and the safety of his fellow marines.

        His first priority is to shoot some dogs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Denying the enemy transportation, marine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Both times he killed civilians, it wasn't an act of cruelty or some sadistic fantasy shit,
        Black person he openly stated he wanted to kill people and was biting at the bit to do so, man showed zero remorse killing kids too

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you don't want to kill, get the frick outta my combat arms company. You don't belong here. I'll give you a guess, your job is supposed to be putting a weapon on target and destroying them. Now you're a contentious objector? Get a desk job, homosexual. I don't want you on my team.

          And no, there's remorse. But dwelling on it makes you combat ineffective. Think of if every person who fires a round or drops a bomb has to stop during the operation and seek a therapist for a misidentified target. Your army would suck ass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shut up and give me your charms you little buttpirate homosexual

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              are charms even good? I understand the curse but I've never had them before, did they at least taste ok?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Black person you aren't being trained to kill kids you sociopath

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I give the person who posted this a 50% of being neverserved and a 50% chance of having served but was a turbopog and is deeply insecure about it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's literally every Marine. The ones who just want a guaranteed job for 4 years join the Army or, if they're actually smart, the Air Force. I think the Navy guys just want to frick hookers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trombley comes off just fine in comparison to their officers.

      >Gunny Wynn drove, and I juggled my rifle and two radios in the passenger seat. Just seconds before we reached the chainlink fence surrounding the airfield, a warning from company headquarters went out to all vehicles. “All personnel on the airfield are declared hostile. I say again, all personnel on the airfield are declared hostile.”
      >We normally operated within certain constraints. We could respond proportionally in self-defense — “fire if fired upon” — or we could shoot first at obvious military targets. Both categories depended on the target being a clear and present danger. “Declared hostile” meant there were no rules of engagement. It meant shoot first and ask questions later. At Quantico, we had learned about Vietnam’s free-fire zones. They had been, it was acknowledged, immoral and counterproductive. Qalat Sukkar was being declared a free-fire zone.
      >I clicked the transmit button on my radio handset to countermand the order. I wanted to tell the platoon to hold fast to our normal rules of engagement. But I stopped. I thought that maybe the battalion or the company had access to other information they had no time to share. I trusted that making the “declared hostile” call would save my Marines’ lives when they ran into that unknown threat by shaving crucial nanoseconds from their response time. I let the order stand and shouldered my rifle, pointing it at the landscape flashing past.
      >A machine gun in front of us fired a short burst. I caught a blurred glimpse of people, cars, and camels running through the brush. Men carried long sticks, maybe rifles. A garbled radio transmission warned of “muzzle flashes . . . men with rifles.” Something near the people flashed, but we were already beyond them, sprinting for the runway --

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >“Sir, we have this under control. Can you get Dr. Aubin over here and try to get an aerial casevac? Tell ’em we have an ‘urgent surgical.’”
        I expected everyone else to feel the same urgency we felt, but I was wrong. I ran into company headquarters, breathless, and explained what had happened. The captain simply said that a decision to help the kids was above his head. There was no time to fight with him. I moved on. Major Benelli sat in the shade of the battalion headquarters tent, digging at an MRE.
        >“Sir, I have two wounded children in my lines. We shot them during the assault this morning. My corpsman’s doing what he can, but one of them’s urgent surgical.”
        >He shrugged. “So?”
        >I explained again that we had led the attack just after the call that all personnel on the field were declared hostile. We had seen people, flashes, maybe rifles, and had fired. But they weren’t soldiers. We had shot two kids, and now at least one of them was bleeding to death in front of my platoon.
        >“The colonel’s asleep. Just tell them to go back to their house. We can’t help them.” He went back to his food, dismissing me.
        >My vision narrowed to a tunnel. There was no clean, clinical explanation for what I felt and what I wanted to do. I wanted to tell the major that we were Americans, that Americans don’t shoot kids and let them die, that the men in my platoon had to be able to look themselves in the mirror for the rest of their lives. I wanted him to get out there and put his hands in the kid’s chest to stop the blood that flowed in rhythmic spurts from the holes. I wanted to cradle the major’s head between my arms and twist.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fick is crybaby. No wonder he jumped this ship immediately after.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            t. Casey Kasem

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Welcome to the mind of Senior Enlisted and Officers. They’re all scum above the company level.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sergeant
      >non-commissioned OFFICER

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's fine because Muslims don't cease to exist when they die, they instead go to a place called 'Paradise' so if anything, Trombley did a good thing.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who seriously think about this shit scare me
    Why would you join military if you care about "muh civilians" more than about your friends
    And nothing happened to him, because civilian worshipping idiots only exist in media

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you end up living in a Russia tier society if not enough people think about this shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not true. A Russia tier society doesn't even care about their friends.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone knows the gun safety rule "it's okay to shoot at noises in the woods" but it's less known cousin is "it's okay to shoot at shapes in the desert"

    He's in the clear and got a cool nickname

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I tried to apply that logic to arma antistasi.
      Did not go well.
      >watching skies
      >paranoid because bad times been happening from assmad nato sending air strikes
      >saw a shape in the fog that made me think it was an a10 about to groundattack our main base
      >fire stinger
      >frick its a civilian 747
      >what the frick is a civilian 747 doing in an active warzone FLYING SO LOW IT NEARLY CLIPPED THE HILLTOPS?!?!
      >plane crashes DIRECTLY into the center of a big town
      >literally hundreds of civilians dead
      >game auto-ends in loss due to excessive civilian casualties

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He wasn't, and if I were his commanding officer I'd recognise that, but nonetheless in the heat of the moment people see a dead kid and get mad, so understandably his fellow marines do get a little peeved about it.

    What I do want to argue though is that godfather is in fact not a good commander. All of his "successes" are reckless and unnecessary gambles which only pay off due to the sheer incompetence of the iraqis
    For instance
    >we are going to roll through this town because oorah tempo tempo tempo
    >roll through town, contact, kill the contacts, roll out
    >town gets levelled by artillery after anyway; could have gone round the town and not risked anyone's lives; nothing is gained
    also
    >zerg rushes an empty airfield not for the sake of mission effectiveness, but because he wants to beat a british regiment to the glory
    >if the tanks were manned, he would have gotten EVERYONE in his platoon killed
    >also manages to lose his battalion colours in the process
    I'm still undecided on sixta however.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what is then frustrating is that after all of these events, godfather through sheer luck (and again, iraqi incompetence) is praised by Mattis, understandably because from Mattis' perspective these are all (on paper) great successes; Godfather himself therefore never once introspects and questions himself. In a real war, against a peer threat, godfather would have gotten himself and his men killed. He also doesn't listen to the advice of his subordinates, which is the whole fricking point of having subordinate officers.

      He's well-liked by anons because of his "tempo tempo tempo" shit, which is absolutely fantastic military philosophy and doctrine on paper, but he doesn't seem to actually understand how and when to actually use that doctrine in practise.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thankfully the USA won’t have to fight a peer war any time soon as our peers have all proven to be paper tigers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what is then frustrating is that after all of these events, godfather through sheer luck (and again, iraqi incompetence) is praised by Mattis, understandably because from Mattis' perspective these are all (on paper) great successes; Godfather himself therefore never once introspects and questions himself. In a real war, against a peer threat, godfather would have gotten himself and his men killed. He also doesn't listen to the advice of his subordinates, which is the whole fricking point of having subordinate officers.

      He's well-liked by anons because of his "tempo tempo tempo" shit, which is absolutely fantastic military philosophy and doctrine on paper, but he doesn't seem to actually understand how and when to actually use that doctrine in practise.

      I feel like this should be apparent to anyone who actually watched the show. Godfather is ultimately responsible for the majority of the moronic situations that all the marines keep complaining about. I would say he wasn't even doing his job properly by acting as a yesman to his superiors.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trombley always struck me as a product of his environment. An environment fostered by buttholes and medal chasing gloryhounds like Godfather.

        Captain America, Godfather and that bald sergeant butthole guy were the only people in GK who struck me as outright bad actors.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’ve just started watching the show to be fair and thus far my only knowledge of godfather was a few youtube clips and the tempo tempo meme that gets posted here occasionally - both of these made him seem like a badass. He is a badass, but a fricking moronic one who would get his men killed if god himself didn’t seem to consistently intervene in his favour
        I’m on episode 5 now and so far this is my perception of things
        >good leader tier
        Fick, Iceman, Bravo company’s captain, Rudy (from what I’ve seen)
        >bad leader tier
        Sixta, Godfather,
        >dangerous Liability tier
        Encino man, captain america
        >good soldier tier
        Ray, Trombley, the doc (although he acts overly emotional in stressful situations which I find unrealistic but maybe it’s accurate to the irl guy), that one dude who acts black, hispanic and native,
        From what I can tell iceman and fick’s platoon would actually be extremely competent if it weren’t for the frickery of encino man and godfather.

        Also what the frick is captain america’s problem? Was he really that insane irl? How the frick did he not get smoked instantly for his bullshit? And how is godfather seemingly completely unaware of both encino man and captain america’s moronation?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The final episode touches on this. Without spoiling anything, Godfather comes off as slightly more understandable...

          ...until you think about it for a moment, and then you realize that Godfather is an even bigger piece of shit than you suspected.

          Oh, and...
          https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/2014/11/20/sgt-maj-portrayed-in-generation-kill-sentenced-to-prison-for-child-sex-offense/

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Also what the frick is captain america’s problem? Was he really that insane irl? How the frick did he not get smoked instantly for his bullshit?
          iirc he was an intel officer that was actually pretty well-respected after going through afghanistan, but the moronic shenanigans godfather putting 1st recon into getting him onto the front lines instead of a more distant intelligence role kinda made him snap. eric kocher even commented that mcgraw seemed "too smart" for the front lines because he would constantly be thinking about different ways that they could get ambushed, which he really wasn't wrong about seeing what they all went through, but it made him overly paranoid which made him a liability in actual combat scenarios.

          i think some of the situations get overplayed a bit for the HBO screen, however everything that he does in the show is in the book.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know what that actually makes a lot of sense. I can see him being some kind of intel analyst genius that gets thrust totally out of his depth and reacts accordingly, which plays into what I’ve read about 1st recon in iraq - namely that at the team level they were combat tested in afghan, but in iraq they were chucked in with new COs that had zero combat experience because they needed high enough ranks to command the battalion all being fielded at once.

            That and now that I think about it, besides the borderline warcrimes and general spastic behaviour, a lot of the shit he complains about isn’t exactly incorrect - when he starts tweaking about how they’re totally exposed rolling into iraq in humvees, he’s completely correct, it’s just that he acts like a b***h saying it.

            Encino man however…

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm still undecided on sixta however
      Sixta is a convicted diddler.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He just really wanted those lips hairless.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What I do want to argue though is that godfather is in fact not a good commander.
      You just don't understand tempo.
      >All of his "successes" are reckless and unnecessary gambles which only pay off due to the sheer incompetence of the iraqis
      They pay off, because the tempo he maintains is so far up the Iraqi's OODA loop they have no way to counter it. Rapid mechanized exploitation is built on this kind of recklessness, and you specifically need people like Godfather, who are willing to just go balls to the wall and outspeed the enemy, further considerations be damned.
      He was the right man in the right place, and the fact that there were no deaths in the unit just further confirms it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No moron, you've drank the koolaid. I absolutely agree that tempo is fantastic, and that violence of action is absolutely essential to a swift and efficient victory. What I'm trying to say however is that if you ignore what godfather says and actually look at the missions themselves, they did not actually require the use of "tempo doctrine; and when those missions succeed, it is due to luck, not due to the violence of action.
        >storming that town in episode 2 and risking everyone's lives?
        >completely unnecesary; town was going to get flattened by arty anyway; no strategic objectives whatsoever; could have just driven around it. thankfully the iraqis are so incompetent that first recon glasses them without issues
        >the airfield? the big tempo tempo masterpiece which gets mattis hard?
        >succeeds only due to luck; if the tanks had been manned, then godfather's speedy assault would have gotten everyone killed. Moreover, he's again not doing it because it needs to be done; he's doing it to beat the brits to glory
        I agree that tempo doctrine is absolutely essential to victory but what I'm saying is that IN PRACTISE, godfather seems to me like someone who keeps trying to apply it where it isn't needed at the detriment of his unit's safety.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No moron
          Ok, go frick yourself then.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Luck is created by tempo, catching them on the off foot. All of military history has life stranger than fiction moronic plays paying off. No casualties in the town, just saved time and fuel to scout for the next objective. Tanks not manned, well good thing they rolled up that quick so that they didn't have the time to heed any advance warnings and man them.

          It's just circular logic. At the end of the day, he won, and that's all that matters. And with no casualties. Your armchair generalship is dildos.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How exactly was Trombley in the wrong here?
    He wasn't, which is a huge point of the miniseries, you fricking moron.

    The point is that the war is wrong and moronic and the soldiers are professionals doing their best in a wrong, moronic situation. It is a loving, perhaps lionizing, portrait of "Generation Kill."

    Do you have some sort of perception filter that makes you incapable of internalising criticism of America?

    God I fricking hate idiots.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >I think the point of these scenes from the showrunners' perspective was to show how this kind of thing results from decisions all the way down the chain of command, not just one bloodthirsty grunt.
    Sure didn't seem like it to me.
    The show modified a lot of what happened to radicalize the characters' character and practically strike the viewer over the head with their own characterization of them. Trombley for example was portrayed as a distinct lunatic, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrB7TwC_mCA who practically only by accident is useful.
    While if you read the first hand accounts, he comes off as a far more sensible and reliable person.
    >Trombley crouched near the Humvee, leaning into a huge pair of binoculars. Hasser stood in the turret behind the Mark-19, looking down at Trombley.
    >“See where the tree line ends on the right?” Trombley said. “About two fingers left of that, set back in the trees. I think that’s where the gun is.”
    >Hasser loosed a burst, walking the exploding grenades in on the spot described by Trombley. It looked like the AAA gun was near the Mark- 19’s maximum range, maybe even out of range. They could shoot us, but we couldn’t shoot them.
    >In the driver’s seat of Colbert’s Humvee, Person was singing.
    >“One, two, three, four, what the frick are we fighting for?”
    >“You have to answer that for yourself,” I said as I crouched against the fender, scanning with my binoculars.
    >“Well, sir,” Person said, turning in the seat to face me, oblivious to the fight all around him, “I guess I’m fighting for cheap gas and a world without ragheads blowing up our fricking buildings.”
    >“Good to know you’re such an idealist.”
    >“That world sounds pretty ideal to me right about now.”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is that from the book? if so, frick the show actually toned it down. I need to read that

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that the sand was in fact very evil?

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GEN KILL MENTIONED

    TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ferrando was a homosexual.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        elaborate

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA you're responding to but there's like 4 posts above of me seething in detail about godfather

          https://i.imgur.com/PuLHIjH.jpeg

          Luck is created by tempo, catching them on the off foot. All of military history has life stranger than fiction moronic plays paying off. No casualties in the town, just saved time and fuel to scout for the next objective. Tanks not manned, well good thing they rolled up that quick so that they didn't have the time to heed any advance warnings and man them.

          It's just circular logic. At the end of the day, he won, and that's all that matters. And with no casualties. Your armchair generalship is dildos.

          I agree with this in principle but idk man I think godfather is repeatedly shown to be a gloryhound whose mentality is an active risk to his men and to the mission that just happens to keep getting lucky
          think back for instance to episode 5:
          >find out about a heavy weapons ambush east of the village which 1st recon would suffer greatly in
          >get ordered to pull back and wait for LAV's to clear the heavy ambush
          >the LAV team is shown to take heavy casualties despite being in armor; had 1st recon gone in instead, one can assume the casualties would have been far worse for them
          >godfather still expresses visible sadness and disappointment that 1st recon couldn't go in themselves, but it's what mattis ordered
          this shows yet again that his mentality is totally insane and that if he had his way, he would have sent 1st recon in and gotten them all killed.

          Tempo tempo tempo is phenomenal doctrine, once again, and as you say it 'creates luck' which if a great way of putting it, but in the case of godfather he himself is shown to be a risk to his men - and the NCOs in 1st recon, objectively shown to be the most competent and battle-tested, corroborate this sentiment.

          Long story short I'm just trying to say that you need to try and seperate the tempo doctrine (good) from godfather himself (bad application of said doctrine).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tempo doctrine
            This is not a thing. The more you repeat this term the less seriously you will be taken.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              alright homosexual I'll call it blitzkrieg, or the "thunder run", I'm calling it tempo doctrine because it's easy shorthand.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can't readily tell if they're civilian or not
    Yeah, okay.

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