>nice digits
I mean- obviously there is the tactical advantage of more surface space for cooling off, but with time the wear might be inconsistent. More upkeep than good for shooter. Engrave hilts and handles, not metal.
No, I'm wondering if I should buy. I was looking at altamont grips and noticed they had a bunch of those engraved revolvers up. I'm in the market for a new revolver and I'm just keeping an eye on them.
sure, if you're an immasculated homosexual who doesn't spend their days sitting it darkend run down offices sipping straight whisky and chain smoking cigarettes as the next femme fatale pleads her fake sob story as she tries to play you for a sucker and get you to do all her dirty work for her. just like the last dame who walked through that door one hot los angeles day, as the sun beat down on all the other poor rubes just trying to make a living. and i don't know if it's that same sun or the girl that's making this office hotter than hell right now as i sit here listening to her repeating practised lines with blinds across the windows and a pain behind the eyes.
I've been wanting to get into black powder for a while, but the bullets confuse me. Pic related is listed as a .44 caliber, but then when I look at bullets, the store stocks three bullets that are all .44 caliber, but they list different diameters. What's the deal with that?
it is a dumb system that's very "in the know"
apparently the bullets are slightly over-sized because they shave off a bit while you ram it into the cylinder
Someone else can verify ?
it is a dumb system that's very "in the know"
apparently the bullets are slightly over-sized because they shave off a bit while you ram it into the cylinder
Someone else can verify ?
most .44 revolvers will take .454 and .458 round balls interchangeably some like .458 because it shaves a bigger ring of lead than .454 and makes up for any sloppy chambers that might be oversized
otherwise everyone really just uses .454
Very true, I mean if people like them that’s fine, but the 1860 and 1858 Remington were made in .44, not 1851 navy’s. I am autistic enough about history that I wouldn’t want a ‘51 in .44 just because it is t historically authentic. Don’t mind if others chose to do so, it’s no skin off my dick.
i have a pair of pietta remington 1858's to satiate my cowboy autism
i did get a 51 navy for my gramps last christmas and i love the feel
might pick up a 51 navy or an army and slap 51 grips on it
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are your thoughts on Avenging Angels?
2 years ago
Anonymous
based poker table gun
wouldn't get caught trying to reload it in a shootout though
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah. Just switch to a blade in that situation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My dads friend has a “belly gun” from the 1870’a that she showed me when I was a little kid, I remember him mentioning how they were used as hold out weapons when people had to turn in their gun belts at establishments or in towns with lame ordnances agains carrying a pistol. Thought it was pretty cool then and still do to this day. Wish I knew what it was.
the softer the metal the better. you do have to ram these things in with a short lever after all. plus various kinds of lead ball (to include conicals) were what was historically used.
if you were to use something that could bend the edge of the cylinder it would be harder than steel. that just wouldn't work.
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most .44 revolvers will take .454 and .458 round balls interchangeably some like .458 because it shaves a bigger ring of lead than .454 and makes up for any sloppy chambers that might be oversized
otherwise everyone really just uses .454
From my .44 Pietta .454 balls work the best.
They always leave a nice ring of lead and groups are more than satisfactory at 25m.
The differences are nominal, .44 magnum .44 Special are all .429 in ø, a lot of black
Powder revolvers in .44 were designed for .454. It doesn’t matter That much, .01 of an inch isn’t a big deal especially with black powder and lead projectiles. The round balls will usually have a slight ring shaved off of them.
For my .31 I use smaller than .31 set screws with enough wadding to make it fit in the chamber snuggly and make it down the barrel because it’s difficult to source those projectiles, I have thought about using 0’ buckshot rounds but they are often treated with antimony that make the metal harder than most lead. I would rather shoot a nominally undersized projectile in a wad than something oversized and hard in a 162 year old gun.
Its called color case hardening. But on almost all replicas its done with chemicals nowadays, cause real deal would be cost prohibitive and frankly pointless for something as crudely made as Italian revolvers.
https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/restoration-services/color-case-hardening/
>Pietta seems to be getting back to work and shits getting in stock >Bunch of snubs and semi fancy engraved cap and balls in stock now not just basic 1851s >Uberti shit back in stock >Even the pocket percussions
Pretty cool. Just hope I can find some shutzen bp or something to replace goex until estes gets it back into to production.
Overall pretty cool
Chris Bartocci did a video on them, though not in that caliber in his crime guns series. Mentioned how it was widely used by both criminals and police due to being compact, affordable and reliable.
What about using snap pops(silver nitrate) in homemade caps? I can at the moment get lots of them for incredibly cheap and I wonder how well they may work at igniting powder.
I am aware of prime all, but part of me wants to find the most inexpensive and improvised ways of creating caps as well as powder. I have been pissing on a straw pile in my backyard for a few months now.
“ John Harralson, John Harralson
You are a wretched creature;
You’ve added to this cruel war
A new and useful feature.
You’d have us think, while every man
Is bound to be a fighter
The Ladies—bless the pretty dears—
Should save their pee for Nitre.
John Harralson, John Harralson,
Where did you get the notion
To send your barrel around the town
To gather up the lotion?
We thought the girls had work enough
In making shirts and kissing
But you have put the pretty dears
To patriotic pissing.
John Harralson, John Harralson,
Do pray invent a neater
And somewhat immodest way
Of making your saltpeter.
For ‘tis an awful idea, John,
Gunpowdery and cranky,
That when a lady lifts her skirts
She’s killing off a Yankee.”
Has anyone bothered to make their own caps? I have seen people using the cap making kits that punch a round of aluminum or copper out and then shape them but I also saw a video where a boomer made one out of a piece of hardwood with a hole bored and then a tapered section at the top of the hole to kind of begin shaping the metal into a cup.
Copped this model 64 for $330 about a month ago on fuddbroker. If anyone is still holding off on getting a revolver, the used ones won't be cheap too much longer.
I really shouldn't buy another gun right now, but I know this is going to be the best time to buy for like another decade at this rate, so it's hard not to.
looking at getting a flintlock so i never worry about getting ammo again
make my own powder
and flints and lead will be easy to get
already make .69 paper cartridges for my percussion SXS shotgun
just gotta stack those paper cartridges deep probably in sealed tin cans
here are some of the best black powder and flintlock youtubers
2 years ago
Anonymous
You cant, if you dont measure the space between wienered hammer and frizzen surface, which is differs between models and sometimes even between individual guns. Also each lock can have slightly different geometry and different strength of springs, the flint will strike at different place of frizzen and so on. You can pick whats best only after you get your own rifle. Also as other Anon pointed out, flints do not have consistent parameters, you cant guarantee that each will work the same even if they are machine cut, and certanly not for the knapped ones. Its more of an art, than science.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's baby's first realization that there can be variances in parts
That doesn't keep us from having an idea of what we can expect in tons of other cases. Muzzle velocity for a given loading of a given cartridge can vary a good deal from gun to gun even with barrels of the same length, but that doesn't stop us from being able to get a good idea of what kind of muzzle velocity we can expect from a specific barrel length rather than going in completely blind.
2 years ago
Anonymous
flints are literally rocks they dont wear like metal parts you can never tell when your going to need to resharpen or replace.
flints could have hairline fractures that might cause it to shatter
the flint could have been poorly knapped
some flints are harder and softer than others
from missouri chert to english black flints and french amber flints
then you have to take into account the experience of a master flint knapper craftsman or if its a new apprentice or new self taught craftsman
there are just to many variabilities to account for flint quality and reliability
2 years ago
Anonymous
>b-but these edge cases can happen
Yeah, and you can get a lemon with modern products as well. No one acts like you can't have any idea of how a modern product will function before you buy it because lemons or other edge cases exist though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
thats the thing every flint is an edge case
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's still going to be an average level and normal range of performance that you can expect most of the time.
if you ask a painter to freehand paint the same painting 100 times all the paintings will be slightly different every time this is what flint knapping is like
you cant possibly know how much use you will get from any single flint
>b-but it won't be the same every every
There's still going to be a normal range. People who draw cartoons/comics/anime/manga specifically practice consistency in this regard. That tolerances may be wider than a computer drawing the same character or scene with a plotter doesn't change that tolerances exist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
a wild guess you might get 100-200 strikes with sharpening on a small lighter striking sporter lock
i doubt a flint on a large hard striking military lock would last between 50-100 strikes with sharpening
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you the same autist that for three or four days in a row insisted that curved tree branch will behave the same as sabre because theoretical physics dictates so and therefore differences between used materials, blade geometry, balance and type of the hilt and handle dont matter, even if actual soldiers that were using swords to kill people irl seemed to argue just the opposite and went to great lengths to design weapons that would fit their requirements? Cause you sound very similar to that lad. The only way to determine what certain flintlock rifle will need to function properly is, surprise, surprise: picking it up and shooting it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Comparing a modern product made with computers and precision machines in huge factories to a fricking rock
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you ask a painter to freehand paint the same painting 100 times all the paintings will be slightly different every time this is what flint knapping is like
you cant possibly know how much use you will get from any single flint
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re too dense to understand that the variability of flint in this application is so great as to exceed, in their experience, the ability to give you a suitable range. Shut the frick up already, google it you dumb Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
>in their experience >implying any of those anons own or have ever even shot a flintlock
2 years ago
Anonymous
dont get to flinchy anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only You can prevent horrible cases of autism such as this by hanging around your high school and impregnating teenagers. Why take the chance?
2 years ago
Anonymous
this is how I know you've never shot black powder. you're comparing industrially produced and highly regulated modern firearms to ooga booga each time I load my pistol it's fricking different because everything is done by hand and by eye. the powder measure can be very slightly off each time. even the strength with which you ram the ball is different.
you're comparing robots mass-producing shit to me finding a flint out in the field, knapping it with another rock, and going, "Yeah, looks good." And then you've gotta reknap the thing every so often.
You're out of your element, Donny. Way, way out of your element. Show me a conventional firearm where simply chambering a round has the potential to turn it into a pipe bomb if you don't know what you're doing. Show me where you have to sharpen your firing pin after every 10 shots.
This goes well beyond "My AKM required some hand-fitting to get this new furniture on." When you buy a new BP gun you're expected to go over the entire gun and have hand files ready to ensure everything functions smoothly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he thinks hand loading on the spot rather than before going to the range makes his gun extra speshul and artistic
lel
>the powder measure can be very slightly off each time
Some people use plastic scoops for reloading modern cartridges with smokeless powder powder where a small difference in powder would cause even more of a velocity difference than with black powder. Pic related.
>Show me a conventional firearm where simply chambering a round has the potential to turn it into a pipe bomb if you don't know what you're doing.
Any of them once you get into reloading.
>When you buy a new BP gun you're expected to go over the entire gun and have hand files ready to ensure everything functions smoothly.
Yeah, that's call buying a lower quality gun. People have been doing the fluff and buff on lower quality handguns for decades now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>even if they are machine cut
The machine cut ones suck cause you can't sharpen in the field, you need to use a grinder/belt sander back home
I have a Kentucky long rifle that has been passed down in my family since 1774 and the family has gone through a shit ton of flint with it. I'd say resharpen the flint every 20ish shots, replace it every 80-100 shots.
based poker table gun
wouldn't get caught trying to reload it in a shootout though
That's not anything that really happened back in the day. I have the diaries of some ancestors who lived all over that detailed the scraps they got into dealing with Confederate bushwhackers (mid-war and post-war), cattle rustlers, outlaws and Indians. Most fights were, "I shot him with a rifle and his friends ran." The most dangerous scrap was a distant grandfather on my dad's side who was a sheriff with his sons as deputies that cornered some c**ts that tried to keep the Confederate cause alive out west while raping and murdering anyone who was from the North. He had to empty his Henry and both Colts before the shits were dead. Didn't need to reload because his sons and their buddies also emptied their guns which were an assortment of Spencers, Enfield and Springfield rifle-muskets, Colt Navy/Pocket/Patterson/Walker and Remington New Army guns.
Most fights were over before you had to worry about reloading a revolver. If you are worried about reloading, get a second pistol. There's your reload.
Boomers will die off and revolvers will flood the market
>b-b-but why isnt aren't boomers dying off and flooding the market with cheap milsurp
Most boomers don't own milsurp, only the collector types who make firearms their hobby.
But most regular boomers own a revolver because that was what you kept next to the nightstand. Not unlike how most regular (i.e., people who don't make guns their identity or hobby) these days would own a glock or sw shield.
Also helps that zoomers don't care about revolvers, but they do care about >muh milsurp investments
good argument. also >muh milsurp investments
fricking kek. little do they know their "investments" are at best a hedge against inflation in 99% of cases. this is like dumb boombers thinking their LIMITED EDITION PSA 45th POTUS 1911 WITH GOLD LEAF (and chinesium internals) scam shit is an investment.
I mean what models of those loadings in particular are available? I know S&W has a fricking expensive one but I want some other ideas because it's obviously a silly gun to own.
My revolver shoots left with +p ammo but not standard. Reproduced with a couple other shooters. Anyone have any insight? My only guess is that maybe the barrel is a bit over-rotated so the sight is slightly right of center and that's making me hit left. But then I don't know why it wouldn't do it with standard pressure .38.
>send in 360pd to S&W >loose barrel after 22 rounds >Wait a month >Call in >Rude boomer woman tells me it will be a week and hangs up >S&W hasn't said anything >randomly ships me an item this morning.
Do you think they fixed it or not?
I thought that might be the case. I asked a couple other fellas to shoot it too. Good shots, not guys I would think have any any problems with anticipating recoil. It's left. Like 7 inches at 12 yards left. Sample size is small, but corroborative.
It's far easier for him to blame the gun, he's even trying to rationalize why it shoots different talking about rotated barrels when he already said it shoots fine with normal ammo. Ego is a hell of a thing
>old farts whine and complain about nu-S&W >get a nu-S&W anyways >the trigger is just as great as my pre-lock S&W, accuracy is spot-on, and there are no reliability problems >le evil hilary hole doesn't matter when actually shooting
I was fricking lied to.
Its relative. My 642 (new) had a rougher trigger than my 19whatever model 10-6... and then i gave it a trigger tune up, dry fired the crap out of it, and after that the hammer spring lightened and the gun smoothed out. I'd say theyre comparable now in terms of DA.
Asking again because i want one but there are none locally to fondle. So please inform me, do any of you /k/Black folk have one? How do you like it? I'm looking at the dao one
Don't own one but I fingerd a couple at my local Scheels. The triggers were very subpar and gritty compared to my old Smiths, my newer Smiths, my friend's new production Python, and my other friend's older Trooper. I wanted to like the gun but I was very disappointed by how bad the trigger was out of the box.
I'd go with a S&W 617 for DA and either a Ruger Single Ten or Wranger for SA.
For SA, the Wranger is a great and cheap pinker, while the Single Ten is better built and has a 10-round cylinder compared to the Wranger's 6. The 617 has a 10-round cylinder as well.
Some cats are weird chemical junkies.
Few years back I had one that was legitimately into huffing gasoline, always putting his nose into the canister filler and rubbing against exhaust pipes.
Appropriately he met his end after some butthole ran him over.
Somebody buy it
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/civil-war-revolvers/le-mat-revolver-by-navy-arms-co-unfired-with-original-papers-and-box.cfm?gun_id=101979782
Do what the captcha says and buy it for your mother
So I did not now this frickin revolver was also a FRICKIN SHOTGUN too now thats badass. I would buy this fricker if I wasn't poor and need to use the money towards better things like fixing my other guns too like my shitty hr topbreak revolver that missing some parts that I cant find replacment parts for.
Wow, that's not nearly as expensive as I thought it would be. And here I was about to go on about how I wanted to win the lottery and buy a ton of cool, useless guns. How much would it cost to make and maintain your own shooting range anyway?
>Using toy gun caps as primers
A friend of mine and I did this for a weekend out in the desert when we were closing around at being cowboys. I didn't think anything of it and just put the revolvers away without cleaning when we got home because in my mind we didn't use any powder so we hadn't "really" fired them.
Rusted the shit out of the cylinders.
Hi anons, thinking about getting my first revolver but I'm not sure what I want.
Have about 20 other rifles and pistols, so this isn't a first gun.
I like the 460XVR for a new gun, but I also like C&R stuff quite a bit. Always thought an m1895 would be pretty cool. Any other opinions appreciated.
You can buy them in different sizes, aside from chopping down the barrel like with 44s. There are cute and smol 5 shot pocket navy/police Colt reproductions made by Uberti. There is a Spiller&Burr 6 shot, significantly smaller than Colt Navy and Remmies. And you can still get old Euroarms/Armi Sqn Paolo manufactured 6 shot Remington Belt replicas, which are smaller and lighter than Uberti and Pietta Remingtons in 36.
All shoot very comfy with roundballs, your gf or kids will like them. And should you need extra umpf there are conical bullets available.
Anybody fricked with these filipino revolvers from RIA? Kinda tempted but I feel like I should have a little respect for myself if I want a carry revolver.
It's not a detective clone. Maybe they saw a Colt and that's the aesthetic they copied, but it's not a colt clone. Similar form factor but the clockwork is a completely unique Filipino design.
I'd buy one if it's under 200 SHIPPED. Very functional but you can tell corners were cut.
In terms of steel snub noses, this is from best to worst >S&W >Colt (colt is 2nd because they're very delicate and nobody works on them. they're beautiful when they work but catastrophic when they don't. for that reason i can't carry one.) >Taurus >Charter Arms >RIA
How does the thread feel about engravings?
>nice digits
I mean- obviously there is the tactical advantage of more surface space for cooling off, but with time the wear might be inconsistent. More upkeep than good for shooter. Engrave hilts and handles, not metal.
Offer no tactical adavtage whatsoever
I'm not jealous of the person who has to clean that shit.
Does it work?
I like it, despite people saying it doesn’t give any tactical advantage, who cares? If elevates a gun from a tool to art.
Very nice btw
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/938021302
You selling anon?
No, I'm wondering if I should buy. I was looking at altamont grips and noticed they had a bunch of those engraved revolvers up. I'm in the market for a new revolver and I'm just keeping an eye on them.
sure, if you're an immasculated homosexual who doesn't spend their days sitting it darkend run down offices sipping straight whisky and chain smoking cigarettes as the next femme fatale pleads her fake sob story as she tries to play you for a sucker and get you to do all her dirty work for her. just like the last dame who walked through that door one hot los angeles day, as the sun beat down on all the other poor rubes just trying to make a living. and i don't know if it's that same sun or the girl that's making this office hotter than hell right now as i sit here listening to her repeating practised lines with blinds across the windows and a pain behind the eyes.
Whenever I think of engravings on a gun I always end up thinking back to this page right here
Revolver threads never work as generals because generals turn into tripgay chatroom cancer
>the first off-topic post is about how people post off-topic
Frick off; didn't ask.
Post spinny bois.
I've been wanting to get into black powder for a while, but the bullets confuse me. Pic related is listed as a .44 caliber, but then when I look at bullets, the store stocks three bullets that are all .44 caliber, but they list different diameters. What's the deal with that?
it is a dumb system that's very "in the know"
apparently the bullets are slightly over-sized because they shave off a bit while you ram it into the cylinder
Someone else can verify ?
Can confirm, got a Pietta 1851 Navy and every ball you jam shaves off a nice circle of lead like picrel
.457 for ruger old army or loose italian repros, .454 for most italian revolvers, .451 for rifles with a patch or especially tight fitting pistols.
most .44 revolvers will take .454 and .458 round balls interchangeably some like .458 because it shaves a bigger ring of lead than .454 and makes up for any sloppy chambers that might be oversized
otherwise everyone really just uses .454
Aye .454 was what I had in mine but I didnt include in the post
and they probably want lead so it doesnt damage the cylinders
Interesting. No long term/high volume shooting effects of this ?
just clean it like normal all the cement burns up because it is nitrocellulose glue
yeah .44 colt 51 navies are neat but they always throw me off because they are only a modern thing
Very true, I mean if people like them that’s fine, but the 1860 and 1858 Remington were made in .44, not 1851 navy’s. I am autistic enough about history that I wouldn’t want a ‘51 in .44 just because it is t historically authentic. Don’t mind if others chose to do so, it’s no skin off my dick.
i have a pair of pietta remington 1858's to satiate my cowboy autism
i did get a 51 navy for my gramps last christmas and i love the feel
might pick up a 51 navy or an army and slap 51 grips on it
What are your thoughts on Avenging Angels?
based poker table gun
wouldn't get caught trying to reload it in a shootout though
Nah. Just switch to a blade in that situation.
My dads friend has a “belly gun” from the 1870’a that she showed me when I was a little kid, I remember him mentioning how they were used as hold out weapons when people had to turn in their gun belts at establishments or in towns with lame ordnances agains carrying a pistol. Thought it was pretty cool then and still do to this day. Wish I knew what it was.
actually the lead ring shaved off means its an air tight fit in the chamber preventing chain fires from setting off other chambers
I meant lead being soft enough to shave without bending the edge of the cylinder
the softer the metal the better. you do have to ram these things in with a short lever after all. plus various kinds of lead ball (to include conicals) were what was historically used.
if you were to use something that could bend the edge of the cylinder it would be harder than steel. that just wouldn't work.
From my .44 Pietta .454 balls work the best.
They always leave a nice ring of lead and groups are more than satisfactory at 25m.
The differences are nominal, .44 magnum .44 Special are all .429 in ø, a lot of black
Powder revolvers in .44 were designed for .454. It doesn’t matter That much, .01 of an inch isn’t a big deal especially with black powder and lead projectiles. The round balls will usually have a slight ring shaved off of them.
For my .31 I use smaller than .31 set screws with enough wadding to make it fit in the chamber snuggly and make it down the barrel because it’s difficult to source those projectiles, I have thought about using 0’ buckshot rounds but they are often treated with antimony that make the metal harder than most lead. I would rather shoot a nominally undersized projectile in a wad than something oversized and hard in a 162 year old gun.
damn that looks cool.
How did they get that wavy effect on the polished metal?
Its called color case hardening. But on almost all replicas its done with chemicals nowadays, cause real deal would be cost prohibitive and frankly pointless for something as crudely made as Italian revolvers.
https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/restoration-services/color-case-hardening/
>Pietta seems to be getting back to work and shits getting in stock
>Bunch of snubs and semi fancy engraved cap and balls in stock now not just basic 1851s
>Uberti shit back in stock
>Even the pocket percussions
Pretty cool. Just hope I can find some shutzen bp or something to replace goex until estes gets it back into to production.
Overall pretty cool
Anyone have any experience with Charter Arms? I was thinking of getting a Bulldog in .44 Special
I used one of their .22 revolvers once(Pathfinder I think) and I was actually pretty impressed with it.
Thanks.
I feel like I don't hear much about them around here, but maybe that's a good thing.
Chris Bartocci did a video on them, though not in that caliber in his crime guns series. Mentioned how it was widely used by both criminals and police due to being compact, affordable and reliable.
I have a .38 undercover that I've been carrying for 10 years. It's been a great gun.
I had a mag pug in .357. It was okay, not fantastic but it worked. I got bored with it though.
fill those caps with duco cement it will dry down to a thin film it is flammable and increases flash also water proofs the caps as a nice side effect
What about using snap pops(silver nitrate) in homemade caps? I can at the moment get lots of them for incredibly cheap and I wonder how well they may work at igniting powder.
are you planning to remove the silver nitrate from the pops?
you might be better off with prime-all from 22lr sharpshooter
https://22lrreloader.com/products/prime-all-repriming-compound
I am aware of prime all, but part of me wants to find the most inexpensive and improvised ways of creating caps as well as powder. I have been pissing on a straw pile in my backyard for a few months now.
“ John Harralson, John Harralson
You are a wretched creature;
You’ve added to this cruel war
A new and useful feature.
You’d have us think, while every man
Is bound to be a fighter
The Ladies—bless the pretty dears—
Should save their pee for Nitre.
John Harralson, John Harralson,
Where did you get the notion
To send your barrel around the town
To gather up the lotion?
We thought the girls had work enough
In making shirts and kissing
But you have put the pretty dears
To patriotic pissing.
John Harralson, John Harralson,
Do pray invent a neater
And somewhat immodest way
Of making your saltpeter.
For ‘tis an awful idea, John,
Gunpowdery and cranky,
That when a lady lifts her skirts
She’s killing off a Yankee.”
“John Harralson, John Harralson,
We’ve read in song and story,
How women’s tears, in all the years,
Have moistened fields of glory.
But never was it told before,
How ‘mid such scenes of slaughter,
Your Southern beauties dried their tears
And went to making water.
No wonder that your boys were brave!
Who couldn’t be a fighter,
If every time he fired his gun
He used his sweetheart’s nitre.
And vice-versa, what could make
A Yankee soldier sadder
Than dodging bullets fired by
A pretty woman’s bladder.
They say there was subtle smell
Which lingered in the powder.
And as the smoke grew thicker and
The din of battle louder,
That there was found in this compound
One serious objection:
No soldier boy could sniff it
Without having an erection.“
Interesting.
Has anyone bothered to make their own caps? I have seen people using the cap making kits that punch a round of aluminum or copper out and then shape them but I also saw a video where a boomer made one out of a piece of hardwood with a hole bored and then a tapered section at the top of the hole to kind of begin shaping the metal into a cup.
___ ____
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Sort of like this but more of a pronounced taper.
i make my own caps but havent live fired yet
popping caps i did get flames shooting out the cylinder gap though
with duco cement
Copped this model 64 for $330 about a month ago on fuddbroker. If anyone is still holding off on getting a revolver, the used ones won't be cheap too much longer.
I really shouldn't buy another gun right now, but I know this is going to be the best time to buy for like another decade at this rate, so it's hard not to.
looking at getting a flintlock so i never worry about getting ammo again
make my own powder
and flints and lead will be easy to get
already make .69 paper cartridges for my percussion SXS shotgun
just gotta stack those paper cartridges deep probably in sealed tin cans
>looking at getting a flintlock so i never worry about getting ammo again
How long do flints last?
it depends some might last 1 round some might last 100 rounds before having to resharpened
you might even wind up completely shattering the flint
during the revolutionary war 1 flint issued per 20 cartridges were standard issue in the continental army
How many times can you really resharpen them though?
until it doesnt fit in the jaws
>obvious non answer
the flints will reach a point of non usability you'll know when you know there are no 2 flints that are alike
>more non answers
Even if things can vary, you can still provide a normal range.
i wouldn't know then unfortunately
Then why try to participate in discussion about something you haven't even done any reading about let alone had actual experience with?
i know enough to be dangerous
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You cant, if you dont measure the space between wienered hammer and frizzen surface, which is differs between models and sometimes even between individual guns. Also each lock can have slightly different geometry and different strength of springs, the flint will strike at different place of frizzen and so on. You can pick whats best only after you get your own rifle. Also as other Anon pointed out, flints do not have consistent parameters, you cant guarantee that each will work the same even if they are machine cut, and certanly not for the knapped ones. Its more of an art, than science.
>it's baby's first realization that there can be variances in parts
That doesn't keep us from having an idea of what we can expect in tons of other cases. Muzzle velocity for a given loading of a given cartridge can vary a good deal from gun to gun even with barrels of the same length, but that doesn't stop us from being able to get a good idea of what kind of muzzle velocity we can expect from a specific barrel length rather than going in completely blind.
flints are literally rocks they dont wear like metal parts you can never tell when your going to need to resharpen or replace.
flints could have hairline fractures that might cause it to shatter
the flint could have been poorly knapped
some flints are harder and softer than others
from missouri chert to english black flints and french amber flints
then you have to take into account the experience of a master flint knapper craftsman or if its a new apprentice or new self taught craftsman
there are just to many variabilities to account for flint quality and reliability
>b-but these edge cases can happen
Yeah, and you can get a lemon with modern products as well. No one acts like you can't have any idea of how a modern product will function before you buy it because lemons or other edge cases exist though.
thats the thing every flint is an edge case
There's still going to be an average level and normal range of performance that you can expect most of the time.
>b-but it won't be the same every every
There's still going to be a normal range. People who draw cartoons/comics/anime/manga specifically practice consistency in this regard. That tolerances may be wider than a computer drawing the same character or scene with a plotter doesn't change that tolerances exist.
a wild guess you might get 100-200 strikes with sharpening on a small lighter striking sporter lock
i doubt a flint on a large hard striking military lock would last between 50-100 strikes with sharpening
Are you the same autist that for three or four days in a row insisted that curved tree branch will behave the same as sabre because theoretical physics dictates so and therefore differences between used materials, blade geometry, balance and type of the hilt and handle dont matter, even if actual soldiers that were using swords to kill people irl seemed to argue just the opposite and went to great lengths to design weapons that would fit their requirements? Cause you sound very similar to that lad. The only way to determine what certain flintlock rifle will need to function properly is, surprise, surprise: picking it up and shooting it.
>Comparing a modern product made with computers and precision machines in huge factories to a fricking rock
if you ask a painter to freehand paint the same painting 100 times all the paintings will be slightly different every time this is what flint knapping is like
you cant possibly know how much use you will get from any single flint
You’re too dense to understand that the variability of flint in this application is so great as to exceed, in their experience, the ability to give you a suitable range. Shut the frick up already, google it you dumb Black person
>in their experience
>implying any of those anons own or have ever even shot a flintlock
dont get to flinchy anon
Only You can prevent horrible cases of autism such as this by hanging around your high school and impregnating teenagers. Why take the chance?
this is how I know you've never shot black powder. you're comparing industrially produced and highly regulated modern firearms to ooga booga each time I load my pistol it's fricking different because everything is done by hand and by eye. the powder measure can be very slightly off each time. even the strength with which you ram the ball is different.
you're comparing robots mass-producing shit to me finding a flint out in the field, knapping it with another rock, and going, "Yeah, looks good." And then you've gotta reknap the thing every so often.
You're out of your element, Donny. Way, way out of your element. Show me a conventional firearm where simply chambering a round has the potential to turn it into a pipe bomb if you don't know what you're doing. Show me where you have to sharpen your firing pin after every 10 shots.
This goes well beyond "My AKM required some hand-fitting to get this new furniture on." When you buy a new BP gun you're expected to go over the entire gun and have hand files ready to ensure everything functions smoothly.
>he thinks hand loading on the spot rather than before going to the range makes his gun extra speshul and artistic
lel
>the powder measure can be very slightly off each time
Some people use plastic scoops for reloading modern cartridges with smokeless powder powder where a small difference in powder would cause even more of a velocity difference than with black powder. Pic related.
>Show me a conventional firearm where simply chambering a round has the potential to turn it into a pipe bomb if you don't know what you're doing.
Any of them once you get into reloading.
>When you buy a new BP gun you're expected to go over the entire gun and have hand files ready to ensure everything functions smoothly.
Yeah, that's call buying a lower quality gun. People have been doing the fluff and buff on lower quality handguns for decades now.
>even if they are machine cut
The machine cut ones suck cause you can't sharpen in the field, you need to use a grinder/belt sander back home
>last 100 rounds before having to resharpened
Lolno
Yes 100 strikes in total, but you resharpen every 20 or so
really depends if your using a large strong military lock or small sporter locks but yes resharpening is required
I have a Kentucky long rifle that has been passed down in my family since 1774 and the family has gone through a shit ton of flint with it. I'd say resharpen the flint every 20ish shots, replace it every 80-100 shots.
That's not anything that really happened back in the day. I have the diaries of some ancestors who lived all over that detailed the scraps they got into dealing with Confederate bushwhackers (mid-war and post-war), cattle rustlers, outlaws and Indians. Most fights were, "I shot him with a rifle and his friends ran." The most dangerous scrap was a distant grandfather on my dad's side who was a sheriff with his sons as deputies that cornered some c**ts that tried to keep the Confederate cause alive out west while raping and murdering anyone who was from the North. He had to empty his Henry and both Colts before the shits were dead. Didn't need to reload because his sons and their buddies also emptied their guns which were an assortment of Spencers, Enfield and Springfield rifle-muskets, Colt Navy/Pocket/Patterson/Walker and Remington New Army guns.
Most fights were over before you had to worry about reloading a revolver. If you are worried about reloading, get a second pistol. There's your reload.
You should digitize those diaries for historical preservation.
and what about springs and other replacement parts?
>If anyone is still holding off on getting a revolver, the used ones won't be cheap too much longer.
What do you anticipate happening to the market?
No one wants locked smiths and manufacturers are not making enough new revolvers to meet demand. It's why a gp100 is close to 800 new now
Boomers will die off and revolvers will flood the market
>b-b-but why isnt aren't boomers dying off and flooding the market with cheap milsurp
Most boomers don't own milsurp, only the collector types who make firearms their hobby.
But most regular boomers own a revolver because that was what you kept next to the nightstand. Not unlike how most regular (i.e., people who don't make guns their identity or hobby) these days would own a glock or sw shield.
Also helps that zoomers don't care about revolvers, but they do care about
>muh milsurp investments
good argument. also
>muh milsurp investments
fricking kek. little do they know their "investments" are at best a hedge against inflation in 99% of cases. this is like dumb boombers thinking their LIMITED EDITION PSA 45th POTUS 1911 WITH GOLD LEAF (and chinesium internals) scam shit is an investment.
Most of them will be turn in to the police for destruction.
Does that actually work?
yes and with duco cement its even better
What are the existing 8-shot revolvers? .38Spl, .357 and .327 (lol) would be fine.
Those plus there are plenty of 8 shot revolvers in 22LR
I mean what models of those loadings in particular are available? I know S&W has a fricking expensive one but I want some other ideas because it's obviously a silly gun to own.
Taurus 608 is the "budget" option, 8 shots of .357
https://www.kygunco.com/product/taurus-2-608069-608-357-mag-38-spl-6.5-ss-8rd-adj-sights
Redhawk is your best option
How well do the toy caps work? I have this old boy and had a hard time finding percussion caps for it?
Got it a year or so ago. Softest shooting gun I own.
nice smokey gat anon
My revolver shoots left with +p ammo but not standard. Reproduced with a couple other shooters. Anyone have any insight? My only guess is that maybe the barrel is a bit over-rotated so the sight is slightly right of center and that's making me hit left. But then I don't know why it wouldn't do it with standard pressure .38.
different velocities/pressures and different bullet weights will change POI it is what it is
>send in 360pd to S&W
>loose barrel after 22 rounds
>Wait a month
>Call in
>Rude boomer woman tells me it will be a week and hangs up
>S&W hasn't said anything
>randomly ships me an item this morning.
Do you think they fixed it or not?
I thought that might be the case. I asked a couple other fellas to shoot it too. Good shots, not guys I would think have any any problems with anticipating recoil. It's left. Like 7 inches at 12 yards left. Sample size is small, but corroborative.
It's far easier for him to blame the gun, he's even trying to rationalize why it shoots different talking about rotated barrels when he already said it shoots fine with normal ammo. Ego is a hell of a thing
No. I'm perfectly willing to correct shooting habits if I can. But in this case, it doesn't seem to be me.
Why so hateful fren?
Yeah
cowboy bby
Yeah
I like a smol revolv
>old farts whine and complain about nu-S&W
>get a nu-S&W anyways
>the trigger is just as great as my pre-lock S&W, accuracy is spot-on, and there are no reliability problems
>le evil hilary hole doesn't matter when actually shooting
I was fricking lied to.
I do not believe you a moment when you say your pre lock and locked S&W have identical triggers
Its relative. My 642 (new) had a rougher trigger than my 19whatever model 10-6... and then i gave it a trigger tune up, dry fired the crap out of it, and after that the hammer spring lightened and the gun smoothed out. I'd say theyre comparable now in terms of DA.
Anyone have a 3" /k/6s? How doth thou liketh it?
Asking again because i want one but there are none locally to fondle. So please inform me, do any of you /k/Black folk have one? How do you like it? I'm looking at the dao one
you mean k6-3 helmet?
No im talking about the other hunk of steel that has been cobbled together by a sketchy company and somehow achieved a successful product
Don't own one but I fingerd a couple at my local Scheels. The triggers were very subpar and gritty compared to my old Smiths, my newer Smiths, my friend's new production Python, and my other friend's older Trooper. I wanted to like the gun but I was very disappointed by how bad the trigger was out of the box.
That's strange, that's like the one thing I've heard good things about. I guess it could be Kimber's notorious qc.
Any recommendations on a 22LR revolver?
I'd go with a S&W 617 for DA and either a Ruger Single Ten or Wranger for SA.
For SA, the Wranger is a great and cheap pinker, while the Single Ten is better built and has a 10-round cylinder compared to the Wranger's 6. The 617 has a 10-round cylinder as well.
I traded a G19 gen3 for a Ruger single ten and the boomers at the gun shop were fawning over it and acting like I had robbed the guy
>one-hundred spins
based kitty
>a lucky 38
the gat cat blesses you with well-oiled revolvers and dry clean fur (clothes) for the week
Some cats are weird chemical junkies.
Few years back I had one that was legitimately into huffing gasoline, always putting his nose into the canister filler and rubbing against exhaust pipes.
Appropriately he met his end after some butthole ran him over.
Somebody buy it
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Do what the captcha says and buy it for your mother
Looks cool but I don't really want to spend 1.3k on a black powder revolver, what's so special about this one?
pietta was the last lemat maker and i dont think they made any in the past 2 years
So I did not now this frickin revolver was also a FRICKIN SHOTGUN too now thats badass. I would buy this fricker if I wasn't poor and need to use the money towards better things like fixing my other guns too like my shitty hr topbreak revolver that missing some parts that I cant find replacment parts for.
It’s really cool, but I would want to shoot mine. Couldn’t justify buying it if I can’t shoot it.
Wow, that's not nearly as expensive as I thought it would be. And here I was about to go on about how I wanted to win the lottery and buy a ton of cool, useless guns. How much would it cost to make and maintain your own shooting range anyway?
Just got a 27, are their longer grips? I see plenty to choose from but none seem longer.
what's it like
Little heavy, grip seems small and I don't have big hands.
Bought this for $490
Been learning how to cast balls, make powder and percussion caps.
Solid gun
dont lose any fingers anon
>first gun
>Smith Model 19
how moronic is this?
Model 10 anon might have a say in this but for a first gun it's not bad. I would say 22lr rifle would be better but 357 revolver ain't bad either tbh.
Get the stainless versions, it'll hold up better
I wish revolvers were still made by people who like revolvers.
>Using toy gun caps as primers
A friend of mine and I did this for a weekend out in the desert when we were closing around at being cowboys. I didn't think anything of it and just put the revolvers away without cleaning when we got home because in my mind we didn't use any powder so we hadn't "really" fired them.
Rusted the shit out of the cylinders.
Don't like me anons, always clean your guns.
Black person are you stupid?
Bruh the perchlorates in caps are 100x more corrosive than the BP residue
Hi anons, thinking about getting my first revolver but I'm not sure what I want.
Have about 20 other rifles and pistols, so this isn't a first gun.
I like the 460XVR for a new gun, but I also like C&R stuff quite a bit. Always thought an m1895 would be pretty cool. Any other opinions appreciated.
Yeah
Best web site to order a cap and ball revolver ?
dixiegunworks
Is there any reason to go with a .36 BP revolver than a .44?
less lead
less powder
less recoil
that's a .44 in OP
I prefer a .36
You can buy them in different sizes, aside from chopping down the barrel like with 44s. There are cute and smol 5 shot pocket navy/police Colt reproductions made by Uberti. There is a Spiller&Burr 6 shot, significantly smaller than Colt Navy and Remmies. And you can still get old Euroarms/Armi Sqn Paolo manufactured 6 shot Remington Belt replicas, which are smaller and lighter than Uberti and Pietta Remingtons in 36.
All shoot very comfy with roundballs, your gf or kids will like them. And should you need extra umpf there are conical bullets available.
Anybody fricked with these filipino revolvers from RIA? Kinda tempted but I feel like I should have a little respect for myself if I want a carry revolver.
surprisingly... decent? they work. that said, i don't trust them. i don't know why.
i'd get a taurus or heaven forbid, you save up a paycheck or two and find an older S&W chief.
always wanted a colt detective special how close is this?
It's not a detective clone. Maybe they saw a Colt and that's the aesthetic they copied, but it's not a colt clone. Similar form factor but the clockwork is a completely unique Filipino design.
I'd buy one if it's under 200 SHIPPED. Very functional but you can tell corners were cut.
In terms of steel snub noses, this is from best to worst
>S&W
>Colt (colt is 2nd because they're very delicate and nobody works on them. they're beautiful when they work but catastrophic when they don't. for that reason i can't carry one.)
>Taurus
>Charter Arms
>RIA
How are the Altamont n frame coke bottle grips? I just bought a Model 27 with a hogue monogrip installed and I want something classier.
How's .44 special recoil compared to .44 magnum, .357, and/or .38 special? I keep forgetting it exists.