95% of the time just pulling it out is enough
4% of the time firing once is enough
0.5% of the time firing less that 7 times is enough
0.5% of the time you might be fucked
100% of stats are made up
>getting mad at uspsa shooting again >thinking you cant shoot accurately and quickly at the same time >will say "skill issue" despite maybe going shooting once a month and never actually competing in any way
Exactly. If you get into situation which you can't solve with 5 or 6 shots, that is probably the kind of situation you won't be solving anyway, even if you had more ammo.
How many people are you going to be fighting anyways? If there are three or more determined thugs coming at you, your chances are very slim even if you had more than 6 rounds. They would get you before you can get all of them.
I would like to have a reload on me, but even I recognize that is more of a mental safety blanket than anything else. If you have shot six times and the situation is not over yet or you can't exit it, the situation is WAY out of your league.
Exactly. Civillians are not cops or soldiers. I can understand having more ammo, if part of your job description is active firefights.
But I am not a cop or soldier. I don't intend to run into situations where people are likely to shoot at me, I run away from such situations. That's the avoid-and-evade part of self-defense.
That's how most of those self-defense situations end. A gun is pulled, shot a couple of times (usually 4 or less) and then either one of the parties is down, or disengaging. And if it's you who do the shooting, you should take the first opportunity to disengage. Don't start playing some gunslinger hero who starts to reload and tries to take on 5 armed robbers. Just get the hell out of dodge.
2A makes every civilian a combatant in the eyes of the still Red enemies and will be the justification for any civilian nukings in the Lower 48 or subsequent ethnic cleansings thereafter by Sino-nuSoviet hordes. The alternative looks like Mad Max Hamas EDM raves.
>If there are three or more determined thugs coming at you, your chances are very slim even if you had more than 6 rounds.
Or they all bail after the first or second of them gets dropped.
No anon, we can't act like it's human beings we're shooting at, they're videogame enemies with hp bars that don't stop until it's depleted and the other enemies aren't affected by one being killed as there's no morale system.
In my city a regular dude walked in on a robbery and got into a gunfight with two lunchtime roadies. He had a high capacity semiautomatic and they still killed him because he dumped his mag.
Yes.
Statistically 97% of any self-defense situations have been resolved (one way or the other) with shooting 4 or less shots.
99% of situations have required no reloading whatsoever, regardless of gun type.
6 rounds of .357mag is enough for practically all situations. What's the situation where 6 rounds of .357mag are not enough? The ones which involve rhinos or elephants or somesuch big game. Haven't seen those around here.
>You could be the 1%
Have you tried not shitting your pants at literally everything?
You could also be hit by a car the moment you step outside your door, or slip in the shower and break your neck, or get capped by some nagger coming around the corner that wasn't there before while you are shooting your 7th, 8th and 9th shot.
You're just a homosexual afraid of life, when have you been outside your mom's basement the last time?
homosexual.
You don't understand he HAS to carry that auto with 50 rds because he doesn't practice and has no confidence in his ability to make hits but he also can't believe it could ever jam on him despite seeing it happen in shooting videos all the time because he doesn't practice his malfunction remediation drills.
He needs the delusion that he MUST have lots of bullets due to some .00001% threat but can't grok the .01% chance his auto will jam.
>he MUST have lots of bullets due to some .00001% threat but can't grok the .01% chance his auto will jam.
That's the argument. Larping autofags are bad at realisitic evaluation of the probabilities involved because their brains are full of hollywood, people with training to sell and gun industry marketing.
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>Larping autofags >their brains are full of hollywood
meanwhile every revolver stan on /k/ has at least one shoulder holster and several dumb books about 'gunfighters' from the 20s
4 weeks ago
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still better than getting all your training from John Wick and Call of Duty lol
4 weeks ago
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Shoulder holsters can have their place no matter what you carry. I mostly have books from the 70s-80s by guys like Cirillo, Ayoob and Cooper but I also have older stuff like Keith, Applegate and Skelton.
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>SHOULDER HOLSTERS ARE BAD BECAUSE... THEY JUST ARE OK?!?!?! >BOOKS ARE FOR NERDS, ALSO I CAN'T READ
I would tell you to have a nice day, but you would probably miss even if you put the muzzle in your mouth.
I've never heard of a man that's endured 6 shots of 357, but I have 12 more just in case I meet him. But even if I didn't have 12 more, even if it were just 5, if I'm just as good a shot with that 5 shooter as I am with my 6 I have nothing to fear
Handguns are garbage. You carry one because it's convenient and you're pretty sure you won't need it. If you KNOW you're going to a gunfight you take a rifle.
Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28
>23yr old, 5'7" 143lbs knife wielding perp >6 shots of .45LC Silvertip HP into the chest at contact distance >5 rounds of 158gr +P LSWCHP 38spl from a j frame into the center of the back at contact distance >2 rounds of 44mag 240gp LSJFP in upper torso from 15 feet >1 round of 44mag in the thigh >1 round of 44mag to the knee(this shot ended the fight as attacker loses mobility)
well yeah that goes without saying, everyone knows handguns suck dick in terms of lethality but I can't go about my day with a rifle slung across my shoulders. Still that's insane he endured so much punishment
He didn't expect a guy with no drugs and alcohol in his system to shrug off multiple .44 MAG why would he waste the rest of the rounds in his cylinder in a desperate attempt to try and hit his legs which isn't that easy in the first place?
I used to have this other link in that pasta which is long since dead. It was a cop talking about a gunfight he was in that was like the bob stasch one where the perp soaked up an insane number of rounds and only finally succumbed to a head shot at close range. The big difference was the cop was having to fight on after being shot in the face by the perp. His conclusion was the same as Bob's...go for head shots...
>"Six shots of 45 Long Colt literally point blank to the chest. The guy sort of smiled, bent over, and said, 'now I'm gonna cut your head off.'"
I'm just going to say it, I don't believe this shit. Tell me the two tops were screaming their heads off and firing wildly and the dude was screaming and wildly swinging a knife and all this shit happened in the span of a couple of seconds and I'll buy it, but as he delivered the story it's just not credible. The thing in this story I believe without reservation is when he says he tried to shoot the guy in the pelvis and missed twice.
>hurr durr you only carry a handgun because it’s convenient!
Yes, and? What the fuck are you even trying to say, retard? Are you the kind of weirdo that open Carry’s an ar-15 at Walmart with a plate carrier on then freaks the fuck out when people call the cops?
Not as bad as you might assume. Typically I wear a much thicker jacket in the winter but flannels like this are what I normally wear in the summer. As you can see the printing is minimal, way less than what I experienced carrying the same gun IWB
I've been in over 40,000 DGUs and have never required a reload or 5-6 shots. Honestly, I carry a gun loaded with 3 blanks cuz when I pull it out, they just run away! >be me >go out lookin for trouble >spot civilian in duress >quickdraw my AR pistol that I always carry off safe >reveal my body armor with a punisher skull painted on it >thugs surronding the poor lady all shit themselves >combat roll while point firing to headshot all 4 of them in under a second >suddenly, 8 more come out from a nearby alley like muh video game >attach thermal scope I had in my butpack >shitty AR jams (all Semi Autos do) >produce dual Glock 18s from appendix holsters >rip a burst through my dick and leg on the draw >start screamin bloody murder >last thing I think is, "the revolver guys were right..."
>in most cases > "most"
Yes.
For values of "revolver" that equal ".357 magnum." And, honestly, I carry it loaded with .38 Spl. a lot of the time and lose no sleep over it.
There are 9- and 10-shot .22 mag options I'd be happy with, in most cases. There are 7- and 8-shot .357 mag options, too, but more difficult to carry daily.
I only carry a 5 round revolver because every additional shot will give the prosecutor more ammo to use against me in a case of self-defense-turned-murder. I dump 15 rounds into a guy? Jury might think I was planning on it from the start.
I feel secure and comfortable not carrying a gun at all.
It's just more convenient to put a .38 in my coat pocket than to walk around with a holster stuck to my waistband.
I am going to retire my Taurus Spectrum. I'm trying to decide between a lcr in 327 and lcp max. I've heard of the max having issues, which is why I am retiring the Spectrum in the first place. I've heard nothing but good things the lcr, but if I have a failure to fire, I just pull the trigger again. The max has double the capacity though.
The LCR is going to be noticeably heavier and wider but I'd surely trust an LCR way more than any small .380. If you need something lighter, look at the LCR in 22lr or 38 +p. I'd much rather have an LCR in any caliber than a lcp max.
I've gotta' live with 10round commie-laws, so I'll take 6 rounds over 10 just for it being easier to conceal. Can jam a 642 or king cobra anywhere on my waistband, and it doesn't print with just a t-shirt on.
I take a SA for hiking though, more likely to deal with 6-8 coyotes than 6+ "underprivileged youths".
What do you think of the King Cobra for concealed carry? Do you like it? Does it shoot well? How's the fit and finish? I'm looking into the 2" barrel model. Ideally I'd like to put some small wood service grips on it, I feel like the Hogue rubber grips are a bit too big and frankly ugly.
I got a nu-colt and while theyre beautiful, the muzzle crown is a bitch to clean, especially shooting cast lead. I had light primer strikes occasionally and the internals got fuckulated and I had to send it in for repair. As much as I wanted to love it I would only keep it as a range gun but then you're better off with a k frame or gp100
I suggest an SW m60 3" or sp101 3" if you're going to shoot and carry 357. Never had an issue with either but prefer the former cause its less chonk to carry.
>i carry a 5-shot revolver for the situations that require a gun but don't require too much gun >i will smugly state that any situation that couldn't be solved with 5 shots was either completely impossible or has a single-use teleporter that takes me right back home
>getting mad at uspsa shooting again >thinking you cant shoot accurately and quickly at the same time >will say "skill issue" despite maybe going shooting once a month and never actually competing in any way
>blah blah blah
It's all a John Wick fantasy for you, larpers lol
there exist countries where there really is little crime
Japan is a good example (yeah, its people also can't own guns, but they sure as fuck wouldn't need them for self defense from thugs.(their law is still bullshit))
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stay mad americans
i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country
You're missing the point because you can't own guns so you've never had that feel of having a gun. It's not about I need it or where is safe and where isn't safe. It's like some primal shit like carrying around a burning ember of the first fire ever made and striding the Earth with it.
>i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country >he also pays 60% in income taxes
So can we retard. Part of that reason is due to the fact we can carry guns.
>i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country
So can I. Stop watching sensationalist news media, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a mass shooter.
Yes, but I also have multiple carry pieces some of which go to 18RDS. The important thing is I bring a gun which my pocket Jframe guarantees (haven't had a gun out of reach in years thanks to it)
I'm going to preface this saying that right now, I carry a 9mm with an extra magazine. The extra is mostly for weighing down one side of my jacket so it doesn't fly open in a gust of wind and partly to reassure my monkey brain. Realistically, I'm only going to fire 3 shots at most in an SD shooting. I've carried revolvers before and they're just fine for defense, most of the reason I'm using my 9mm is due to the particular longevity of the gun's parts, because 9mm is usually one of the cheapest centerfire rounds, and because it's what I've been training on the most (you don't fire revolvers and autos the same way).
So yeah, I'd feel fine carrying a revolver for self defense, as long as I remember I'm carrying a revolver so I don't throw all my shots off target trying to compensate for a nonexistent slide.
Yes. I the situations that I think I could need more I carry a larger gun. However, because I don't go to many potentially dangerous places I'm content with a 5/6/8 shot revolver. Good to have options and nothing else gets as comfy as a revolver AIWB. It's easy to get ahold of, won't jam no matter how crappy your grip is, and it's exceptionally safe to carry.
Do it, anything under 3in in 357 is gay. I iwb mine in a tulster and carry a speed strip. First two chambers are 38 wadcutters and then it's 357 after that. Its fun as hell on the range with 38s and 357 is surprisingly tolerable even with the stock grip.
Used to carry a 3in sp101 but they're chonky and switched to colt king cobra but they have a design flaw with the hammer spring that I had to send in and promptly sell. SW has the stupid hole but its by far better than anything else I tried.
I think the redesign isn't as sturdy or maybe the metallurgy sucks but the hammer would only go about half way back in SA or DA. I like wheelgats cause if you get a misfire you just pull the trigger again but that kind of fuck up on the range has forever tarnished my reputation of nu-colt, especially given how expensive they are. Wasn't fond of the reset too which is a shame cause yeah its similar in size to sp101 but holds 6 rounds. I got a stainless gp100 with a 4.2 inch barrel and a couple hundred bucks of beer in its place and am way happier with it.
Only ever shot a 6" security six, .357 Magnum out of that is negligable but out of a 3" I'll likely have to practice considering the kick might be higher
Practice with lots of dry fire and 38s and a handful of 357. I like to randomly mix em in the cylinder to keep my steady in check.
>hammer would only go halfway back
Sounds like a timing issue. Having not held them or taken them apart like I have Rugers, I can't say. If it was a Ruger having that problem I'd say it was the hammer dog not "handing off" the trigger to the DA sear correctly.
I think Colts only use the top of the trigger sear and the "hammer dog" rides on top all through the pull, so it couldn't have been there.
Only ever shot a 6" security six, .357 Magnum out of that is negligable but out of a 3" I'll likely have to practice considering the kick might be higher
I carry a fully-loaded 6-shot .357 magnum and 2 fully-loaded speed loaders.
It's my winter carry. The only time of year I can conceal it. I'd open carry it if my state wasn't retarded.
I love that revolver. Ruger Security Six. Made in the 80s, and has a damaged crown, but it still hits true, and spits mighty fire with every pull of the trigger.
My subcompact semiauto carries 7 rounds of 9mm.
My snub nosed revolver carries 5 rounds of 357.
Two more 9mm versus the greater power of a 357, which I'd call a wash.
Revolver is more reliable, and my 9 has definitely failed on me before. >But you can reload the 9 faster
It's true, but the more I'm positive I'm going to need to carry extra ammo the more likely I am to just not fucking go to whatever place or situation I'm considering. If it's worth throwing extra magazines into your pocket because you think you'll need them, it's worth taking an AR, a bunch of 30 round mags, a full sized sidearm, and several similarly armed friends. It's not really a consideration.
The question isn't so much "which gun to carry" it's "do I carry or not?" For EDC literally anything is better than nothing, so carry whatever the fuck you feel like that is concealeable and shoots a decent caliber.
Statistically speaking 5 rounds is more than enough to handle a violent encounter
The scenarios that /k/ loves to larp about with a whole gang materializing from the shadows with rifles and armor don't happen outside of actual warzones
Also I live in a place with effectively no violent crime
>The scenarios that /k/ loves to larp about with a whole gang materializing from the shadows with rifles and armor don't happen outside of actual warzones
Even in warzones it really doesn't happen unless two opposing patrols run into each other.
You know, I've carried a 5 shot J frame for years...but I must say, switching to a Kimber K6xs for an extra round...really makes me feel better.
Regardless of if it's 5 or 6, the idea of shooting a threat twice and deterring other attackers via the potential for getting at least two or three shots themselves, is what causes criminals to stop or run.
Honestly, I don't understand how some people seriously carry single or two shot derringers in 2023.
If you shoot once, your basically screwed, because there is a chance, they might rush you.
Depends on where I am and what I am doing. Quick run to the store in the middle of the day? J-frame is fine. Route takes me down MLK Jr Blvd? Probably going to grab the P2000 or Beretta 92.
The more shots you fire the more likely the communist DA is going to convince a jury of your ""peers"" to send you to jail for life.
2 rounds of .44 can be very persuasive.
cope, he got convicted cause he used an overkill round
At the time, the state required defendants to prove they were acting in self defense. The defense attorney took the approach of equivalent force was used due to the dogs rushing Fish. The Jury was not convinced, but the judge was also a duck and barred a bunch of evidence against the aggressor being used.
The state law later changed to requiring proof the defendant was not acting in self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. That changes everything regarding round caliber used vs force needed.
In any reasonably likely defense situation, 5 shots will generally get the job done. Not that you shouldn't use higher capacity weapons, you absolutely should keep guns with as many rounds as possible, but generally speaking you aren't going to be completely fucked if you don't have enough ammo to kill 4 dozen joggers
>bullets at typical handgun velocities must physically touch tissue to damage it as there are no remote wounding effects caused by the temporary cavity exceeding the elasticity of human flesh at these velocities >in order to successfully incapacitate a threat via physical damage vital structures must be damaged >only rounds with adequate penetration can reach these vital structures >shot placement and penetration are the only factors that determine the effectiveness of any given handgun round to cause physical damage to vital structures >the only downside to maximizing penetration with bullet selection is over-penetration >if you don't care about overpenetration there is no reason to ever use hollowpoints because they limit penetration in exchange for an increase in surface area which is only a theoretically worthwhile exchange if you know for a FACT that expansion will not limit your penetration to unacceptable levels >round nose bullets are inferior to bullets with square shoulders and flat meplats in their ability to cut tissue >assuming two rounds have equally adequate penetration the better round of the two will be the one you can shoot faster while maintaining accuracy.
Hits count. First hits count most. Carry whatever gun/caliber combo you can make fast accurate hits with. Everything else is marketing bullshit designed to have you paying for overpriced meme ammunition.
I wouldn’t worry overmuch about over penetration out of a snub nose revolver. It’s unlikely your round is going to develop that much velocity.
And even if it does, after traversing a human torso it’s going to lose rather a lot of energy and momentum.
So yeah…it hits a dude that may be behind the target dude, but what’s it going to do?
It’s unlikely that the second dude is going to be chest to back of the guy in front of him, (unless they are being intimate, and that activity would rather preclude threatening you), so he’ll get a bruise.
The likely fact is is that if he as close enough to be hit with your round, he was likely involved in the threatening activity also, which makes your “overpenetrating” shot a “twofer”. Scores double points and a power up bonus.
No, I don't. That's why I carry eight.
In truth, I know an autoloader would be better but I feel more comfortable knowing the barrel pointed at my dick is attached to a DA trigger.
This is me shooting as fast as I can from draw at 7 yards with my 642. I’m working with a 13 plus pound trigger that has a horrible stiff break right before the hammer drops. Going to get a Wilson combat spring kit installed and do a lot of dry firing with snap caps to smooth it out. I also need to paint the front sight so I can see where the hell I’m aiming.
But, for a 36 year old boomer with an astigmatism and my first time shooting this specific revolver I can still rapid fire and put 5 rounds between your eyes at 21 feet. I’d say that’s plenty effective as a defensive firearm.
I always have my 642 on me, but sometimes I carry a Glock 19 as well, which I’m confident with out to 100 yards. The point is you have to practice and get good with your firearms. A j frame is a pretty bad choice for an amateur that can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a full sized 9mm.
Probably half second splits. Takes awhile to recover from recoil and stage the trigger again. So more than fast enough for a bill drill and less than fist sized groups. Aim was off a bit cause I couldn’t see a decent sight picture.. but as long as you have good fundamentals you’ll put rounds where they count.
nagger you're doing it wrong. Pull straight through in one smooth motion with no stops. If your accuracy sucks doing that you need more dryfire practice to get your muscles in order.
Snubs are not target guns. They are fighting guns and if you're carrying one for defense you need to practice that way. Also You can shoot DAO at long range without staging(but why would you ever need that?). Years back my father and I shot 50rds each from DAO j-frames at B27s @100yds. We counted anything in the black and both scored in the mid 30s.
OMG muh belly gun needs to be a lazor beam. No. No it doesn't.
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>i LIKE that my gun is only useful in one kind of situation. >stop larping, larper guy! >i dedicate a portion of my life to obsessing over self defense but yeah i'll just run away if a shooter is further than 20ft away!
everyone knows revolverfags just hop between 'look how rational i am!' and 'lol ur a faggit if u dont carry a revolver, hardcast stoppan powa!'
its why no one takes you seriously
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>i'll just run away if a shooter is further than 20ft away!
Yes. The only reason for a CCW to exist is so you can break contact and live.
4 weeks ago
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>Break contact
You are going to have to explain how you would have legal justification to do much more.
4 weeks ago
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No I don't. There is extensive case law on this subject. The variables in any given jurisdiction are well known with the wild cards being the local DA, prosecutors and judges and where they fall on the political spectrum.
4 weeks ago
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>most responsible Taurus owner
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>Case law
Leave your basement. What jurisdiction? Please explain how you have legal justification to do more than break contact.
4 weeks ago
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>Please explain
No.
4 weeks ago
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wow thats so brave that you acted childish anonymously. do you also instinctively reply "Yes." to all rhetorical questions?
4 weeks ago
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yes
4 weeks ago
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t. prison food enjoyer.
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>I know how to make a bomb out of a roll of toilet paper and a stick of dynamite
I’ve seen your beautiful j frame on this board for more than a few years thank you for telling me about T grips they have made my model 19-3 feel sublime in my hand.
I only stage the trigger while I’m getting my other fundamentals in order. I didn’t mean I sit there and try to break the trigger at certain moment. I meant I’m taking up the slack and breaking the shot when my sights are aligned. This has been taught for 50 years in law enforcement especially in the air Marshalls and FBI. Yes it’s a smooth roll but you don’t break until the sights are aligned and you know where the shot is going to go. The whole smooth fast pull thing is a meme guntubers made up. I mean you do you but my groups are better than yours and I bet those were at 5y
>I meant I’m taking up the slack and breaking the shot when my sights are aligned.
Yeah that's staging and it's bad technique for a fighting gun. You are 100% going to do that shit live if that's how you practice rapid fire. You need to get some snap caps and get to work with your dryfire. It don't take much. Do like 15mins 2-3 times a week religiously at the minimum. Keep the sights aligned all the way through the pull. Firm grip. Build up those muscles.
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>This has been taught for 50 years in law enforcement especially in the air Marshalls and FBI.
lol. lmao even. Those fags are not gunfighters and do fuck all actual grinding on their skills. I'm telling you that you can attain a high level of accuracy without staging and you will be faster than you are currently probably by a wide margin. It takes consistent work though that most people just will not do and then shit talk revolvers for being "not as easy as muh staple gun."
I guess I should break a shot when my sights aren’t aligned. I stage every trigger including my Glock and AR. Not going to fall for your guntuber just slap the trigger bullshit. If I need to shoot quick I will but accuracy will always suffer the faster you shoot.
4 weeks ago
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>I guess I should break a shot when my sights aren’t aligned.
I guess you should learn to break a shot DAO while keeping your sights aligned. It's like you don't understand it's not an either/or proposition. If you can't do ti it's not because it can't be done it's just because you can't do it. All it takes is work. No one is saying "slap the trigger" either you enormus homosexual. It's a deliberate motion and it's smooth as butter from 10s of thousands of repetitions.
GIT GUD homosexual
4 weeks ago
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You aren’t taking into account that I’m staging the trigger under recoil or as I’m drawing. I’m not waiting until my sights are aligned to take up slack.
4 weeks ago
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I'm taking into account everything you're saying about shooting rapid fire with a DAO trigger is wrong and that this shit got figured out by better shooters than you or me long before you were born.
4 weeks ago
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You know Jerry isn't shooting 357s right?
4 weeks ago
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Neither do I.
4 weeks ago
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real niggas carry 38 short colt
4 weeks ago
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taking shooting tips from jerry is like taking swimming tips from michael phelps.
4 weeks ago
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You can learn something of use from damn near anyone.
>This has been taught for 50 years in law enforcement especially in the air Marshalls and FBI.
lol. lmao even. Those fags are not gunfighters and do fuck all actual grinding on their skills. I'm telling you that you can attain a high level of accuracy without staging and you will be faster than you are currently probably by a wide margin. It takes consistent work though that most people just will not do and then shit talk revolvers for being "not as easy as muh staple gun."
>I mean you do you but my groups are better than yours and I bet those were at 5y
More like 8 and I wish I was the kind of fag to have video of how fast I go. That pic I posted of my targets the right one was 50rds as fast as I can pull the trigger. Everyone of them would have been in someone's face.
>Be innacity. >Feral nog walks up to my truck to have words with me. >See him walking up. >Grab my Problem Solver brand problem solver. >Nog walks up and sees Problem Solver in my hand. >Nog does a 360 and leaves the area without saying a word.
Not saying it works every time, but most people don't want to get shot by anything and most real defensive fights are a conversation gone wrong.
>you only need 1 round
i dont care i want to shoot someone as many times as i can legally
if someone wants to fuck with me SO BAD that i need to shoot them i am going to get 24 years of repressed emotion out in the form of 17 9mm boolets
95% of the time just pulling it out is enough
4% of the time firing once is enough
0.5% of the time firing less that 7 times is enough
0.5% of the time you might be fucked
100% of stats are made up
These add up to 200%, retard.
>THE JOKE
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i think you're the one who missed the joke
based maths king, keep on counting!
No, that's why I carry two revolvers
I need a pistol with 22 shots because all I know is how to mag dump at 3 feet of distance so I feel unsafe by only having 6
>getting mad at uspsa shooting again
>thinking you cant shoot accurately and quickly at the same time
>will say "skill issue" despite maybe going shooting once a month and never actually competing in any way
I need a pistol with 22 shots so I can kill 23 people (just gotta line some people up)
Git gud
Revolvers are far easier to point and shoot with and with rounds like .357 magnum they have a good chance of dropping your target on the first shot.
In most situations where 5 shots are not enough 20 should wouldn't save you, while most of the outliers can be covered by carrying a reload.
Exactly. If you get into situation which you can't solve with 5 or 6 shots, that is probably the kind of situation you won't be solving anyway, even if you had more ammo.
How many people are you going to be fighting anyways? If there are three or more determined thugs coming at you, your chances are very slim even if you had more than 6 rounds. They would get you before you can get all of them.
I would like to have a reload on me, but even I recognize that is more of a mental safety blanket than anything else. If you have shot six times and the situation is not over yet or you can't exit it, the situation is WAY out of your league.
pure cope. some israeli fat cop survived with just 3 15 round mags for a whole days battle when his little israeli commune got gyrocopterd.
are you a cop? do you fancy yourself getting into life-treatening shootouts as part of your daily life?
Exactly. Civillians are not cops or soldiers. I can understand having more ammo, if part of your job description is active firefights.
But I am not a cop or soldier. I don't intend to run into situations where people are likely to shoot at me, I run away from such situations. That's the avoid-and-evade part of self-defense.
That's how most of those self-defense situations end. A gun is pulled, shot a couple of times (usually 4 or less) and then either one of the parties is down, or disengaging. And if it's you who do the shooting, you should take the first opportunity to disengage. Don't start playing some gunslinger hero who starts to reload and tries to take on 5 armed robbers. Just get the hell out of dodge.
cops are civilians you stupid faglord.
And what powers do these so called "civilians" have that others don't?
>Exactly. Civillians are not cops or soldiers
2A makes every civilian a combatant in the eyes of the still Red enemies and will be the justification for any civilian nukings in the Lower 48 or subsequent ethnic cleansings thereafter by Sino-nuSoviet hordes. The alternative looks like Mad Max Hamas EDM raves.
Meds
>believing literally anything an Israeli says
Oof
>If there are three or more determined thugs coming at you, your chances are very slim even if you had more than 6 rounds.
Or they all bail after the first or second of them gets dropped.
No anon, we can't act like it's human beings we're shooting at, they're videogame enemies with hp bars that don't stop until it's depleted and the other enemies aren't affected by one being killed as there's no morale system.
In my city a regular dude walked in on a robbery and got into a gunfight with two lunchtime roadies. He had a high capacity semiautomatic and they still killed him because he dumped his mag.
I carry either a 6 shot chambered in 357 or 38 special
Then, there is my 5 shot boot backup
Those are some seriously gay looking boots.
>putting any load on that already piece of shit particleboard "pool table"
ishygddt
ive had sex on it before and it held up
>ishygddt
no idea what that means
have a nice day normalhomosexual
>ive had sex on it before and it held up
Were you wearing the boots?
>no idea what that means
Lurk more
>ive had sex on it before and it held up
thats hot, did you use your cock to push the cue ball around?
>ive had sex on it before and it held up
Giving or receiving?
Texas Red would fuck you up.
Yes.
Statistically 97% of any self-defense situations have been resolved (one way or the other) with shooting 4 or less shots.
99% of situations have required no reloading whatsoever, regardless of gun type.
6 rounds of .357mag is enough for practically all situations. What's the situation where 6 rounds of .357mag are not enough? The ones which involve rhinos or elephants or somesuch big game. Haven't seen those around here.
It's not the odds but the stakes. You could be the 1%
>You could be the 1%
Have you tried not shitting your pants at literally everything?
You could also be hit by a car the moment you step outside your door, or slip in the shower and break your neck, or get capped by some nagger coming around the corner that wasn't there before while you are shooting your 7th, 8th and 9th shot.
You're just a homosexual afraid of life, when have you been outside your mom's basement the last time?
homosexual.
You don't understand he HAS to carry that auto with 50 rds because he doesn't practice and has no confidence in his ability to make hits but he also can't believe it could ever jam on him despite seeing it happen in shooting videos all the time because he doesn't practice his malfunction remediation drills.
He needs the delusion that he MUST have lots of bullets due to some .00001% threat but can't grok the .01% chance his auto will jam.
>if you carry more than a snub revovler, its because you don't trust your ability to hit your target
the latest in revolverfag trash arguments
>he MUST have lots of bullets due to some .00001% threat but can't grok the .01% chance his auto will jam.
That's the argument. Larping autofags are bad at realisitic evaluation of the probabilities involved because their brains are full of hollywood, people with training to sell and gun industry marketing.
>Larping autofags
>their brains are full of hollywood
meanwhile every revolver stan on /k/ has at least one shoulder holster and several dumb books about 'gunfighters' from the 20s
still better than getting all your training from John Wick and Call of Duty lol
Shoulder holsters can have their place no matter what you carry. I mostly have books from the 70s-80s by guys like Cirillo, Ayoob and Cooper but I also have older stuff like Keith, Applegate and Skelton.
>SHOULDER HOLSTERS ARE BAD BECAUSE... THEY JUST ARE OK?!?!?!
>BOOKS ARE FOR NERDS, ALSO I CAN'T READ
I would tell you to have a nice day, but you would probably miss even if you put the muzzle in your mouth.
6 rounds or 5 no issues. I do have concerns of my lead tipped ammo car windows and doors. think ill have to run away or something.
I've never heard of a man that's endured 6 shots of 357, but I have 12 more just in case I meet him. But even if I didn't have 12 more, even if it were just 5, if I'm just as good a shot with that 5 shooter as I am with my 6 I have nothing to fear
Handguns are garbage. You carry one because it's convenient and you're pretty sure you won't need it. If you KNOW you're going to a gunfight you take a rifle.
Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28
>23yr old, 5'7" 143lbs knife wielding perp
>6 shots of .45LC Silvertip HP into the chest at contact distance
>5 rounds of 158gr +P LSWCHP 38spl from a j frame into the center of the back at contact distance
>2 rounds of 44mag 240gp LSJFP in upper torso from 15 feet
>1 round of 44mag in the thigh
>1 round of 44mag to the knee(this shot ended the fight as attacker loses mobility)
>BAC of .05
>no drugs in system
>attacker lived for 10 more days
well yeah that goes without saying, everyone knows handguns suck dick in terms of lethality but I can't go about my day with a rifle slung across my shoulders. Still that's insane he endured so much punishment
I always thought round size was a meme and capacity is the only thing that matters but listening to this convinced me. Holy shit
so why didnt he just start with targeting the knees instead of waiting utnil the end like a homosexual?
He didn't expect a guy with no drugs and alcohol in his system to shrug off multiple .44 MAG why would he waste the rest of the rounds in his cylinder in a desperate attempt to try and hit his legs which isn't that easy in the first place?
Dramatic effect, kids today have no respect for proper timing
So did everything literally miss his organs magically?
That shit actually just sounds so unreal
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/analysis-of-five-years-of-armed-encounters-with-data-tables/
I used to have this other link in that pasta which is long since dead. It was a cop talking about a gunfight he was in that was like the bob stasch one where the perp soaked up an insane number of rounds and only finally succumbed to a head shot at close range. The big difference was the cop was having to fight on after being shot in the face by the perp. His conclusion was the same as Bob's...go for head shots...
He should have gone for the head
>"Six shots of 45 Long Colt literally point blank to the chest. The guy sort of smiled, bent over, and said, 'now I'm gonna cut your head off.'"
I'm just going to say it, I don't believe this shit. Tell me the two tops were screaming their heads off and firing wildly and the dude was screaming and wildly swinging a knife and all this shit happened in the span of a couple of seconds and I'll buy it, but as he delivered the story it's just not credible. The thing in this story I believe without reservation is when he says he tried to shoot the guy in the pelvis and missed twice.
Absolutely bullshit
Pocket mortar is looking more viable all the time.
>used in a direct fire situation
>mortar
You also call magazines "clips"?
I'm not about to disagree with a man who EDCs an explosive device as a sidearm, even if he's not here right now.
Meanwhile a simple .38 was enough for Mark Chapman, ~~*Jack Ruby*~~ or Bernie Goetz
dont believe it
>hurr durr you only carry a handgun because it’s convenient!
Yes, and? What the fuck are you even trying to say, retard? Are you the kind of weirdo that open Carry’s an ar-15 at Walmart with a plate carrier on then freaks the fuck out when people call the cops?
He’s a larperator, anon.
Hows printing with a shoulder holster? How do you get around summer months?
Not as bad as you might assume. Typically I wear a much thicker jacket in the winter but flannels like this are what I normally wear in the summer. As you can see the printing is minimal, way less than what I experienced carrying the same gun IWB
>carrying 6 or even 5 rounds
I just load the one or two. How poor a shot are you?
This but spin the revolver so you get additional adrenaline cycling trough chambers in life or dead scenario
I've been in over 40,000 DGUs and have never required a reload or 5-6 shots. Honestly, I carry a gun loaded with 3 blanks cuz when I pull it out, they just run away!
>be me
>go out lookin for trouble
>spot civilian in duress
>quickdraw my AR pistol that I always carry off safe
>reveal my body armor with a punisher skull painted on it
>thugs surronding the poor lady all shit themselves
>combat roll while point firing to headshot all 4 of them in under a second
>suddenly, 8 more come out from a nearby alley like muh video game
>attach thermal scope I had in my butpack
>shitty AR jams (all Semi Autos do)
>produce dual Glock 18s from appendix holsters
>rip a burst through my dick and leg on the draw
>start screamin bloody murder
>last thing I think is, "the revolver guys were right..."
>in most cases
> "most"
Yes.
For values of "revolver" that equal ".357 magnum." And, honestly, I carry it loaded with .38 Spl. a lot of the time and lose no sleep over it.
There are 9- and 10-shot .22 mag options I'd be happy with, in most cases. There are 7- and 8-shot .357 mag options, too, but more difficult to carry daily.
I only carry a 5 round revolver because every additional shot will give the prosecutor more ammo to use against me in a case of self-defense-turned-murder. I dump 15 rounds into a guy? Jury might think I was planning on it from the start.
Yes
there is high possibility that if im against more than 7 armed thugs ill be dead before i pull the trigger 6 times
I feel secure and comfortable not carrying a gun at all.
It's just more convenient to put a .38 in my coat pocket than to walk around with a holster stuck to my waistband.
I am going to retire my Taurus Spectrum. I'm trying to decide between a lcr in 327 and lcp max. I've heard of the max having issues, which is why I am retiring the Spectrum in the first place. I've heard nothing but good things the lcr, but if I have a failure to fire, I just pull the trigger again. The max has double the capacity though.
The LCR is going to be noticeably heavier and wider but I'd surely trust an LCR way more than any small .380. If you need something lighter, look at the LCR in 22lr or 38 +p. I'd much rather have an LCR in any caliber than a lcp max.
I've gotta' live with 10round commie-laws, so I'll take 6 rounds over 10 just for it being easier to conceal. Can jam a 642 or king cobra anywhere on my waistband, and it doesn't print with just a t-shirt on.
I take a SA for hiking though, more likely to deal with 6-8 coyotes than 6+ "underprivileged youths".
What do you think of the King Cobra for concealed carry? Do you like it? Does it shoot well? How's the fit and finish? I'm looking into the 2" barrel model. Ideally I'd like to put some small wood service grips on it, I feel like the Hogue rubber grips are a bit too big and frankly ugly.
I cc an sp101 3", same dimensions. Use an IWB and it's pretty comfy, I have to conceal well and it does the job.
I got a nu-colt and while theyre beautiful, the muzzle crown is a bitch to clean, especially shooting cast lead. I had light primer strikes occasionally and the internals got fuckulated and I had to send it in for repair. As much as I wanted to love it I would only keep it as a range gun but then you're better off with a k frame or gp100
I suggest an SW m60 3" or sp101 3" if you're going to shoot and carry 357. Never had an issue with either but prefer the former cause its less chonk to carry.
will there ever be a return of Matebas?
just carry whatever you will consistently take with you and are comfortable shooting in a reasonably powerful caliber
I carry both a 5 shot magnum revolver and a 7 shot .380. My biggest concern with either is that I don't shoot them as accurately a compact 9mm.
>i carry a 5-shot revolver for the situations that require a gun but don't require too much gun
>i will smugly state that any situation that couldn't be solved with 5 shots was either completely impossible or has a single-use teleporter that takes me right back home
>blah blah blah
It's all a John Wick fantasy for you, larpers lol
yeah and you specifically are all about virtue signalling how little you're trying.
>hey guys, check out my new plastic craptastic I bought!
>jams cuz you held it wrong
>jams cuz you shot it while moving
lol
Now THIS is boomer cope, it’s like I’m in 2007 again!
Threads like this make me glad I'm not American
>proud to be a thirdie!
>meanwhile is more in danger of being stabbed or hit with a rock
pathetic
Sounds like an average day in American
>he forms his opinions from what cnn tells him
I'm glad you're not American either. You're definitely not a human
Same.
Anyway what gun should I buy?
Yeah
Imagine being born in a time and/or place where you won't ever feel the weight of a snub in your pocket. Sad. Many such cases.
I live in a country where I don't need to carry a gun everywhere
>I live in a country where I let the government tell me what I can do
there exist countries where there really is little crime
Japan is a good example (yeah, its people also can't own guns, but they sure as fuck wouldn't need them for self defense from thugs.(their law is still bullshit))
You're missing the point because you can't own guns so you've never had that feel of having a gun. It's not about I need it or where is safe and where isn't safe. It's like some primal shit like carrying around a burning ember of the first fire ever made and striding the Earth with it.
>It's like some primal shit like carrying around a burning ember of the first fire ever made and striding the Earth with it.
based
>need
wrong
stay mad americans
i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country
>i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country
>he also pays 60% in income taxes
So can we retard. Part of that reason is due to the fact we can carry guns.
>i can go shopping without fear of dying in my country
So can I. Stop watching sensationalist news media, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a mass shooter.
>need
More like can't
So how bout those gyppos yeah
Yes, but I also have multiple carry pieces some of which go to 18RDS. The important thing is I bring a gun which my pocket Jframe guarantees (haven't had a gun out of reach in years thanks to it)
I'm going to preface this saying that right now, I carry a 9mm with an extra magazine. The extra is mostly for weighing down one side of my jacket so it doesn't fly open in a gust of wind and partly to reassure my monkey brain. Realistically, I'm only going to fire 3 shots at most in an SD shooting. I've carried revolvers before and they're just fine for defense, most of the reason I'm using my 9mm is due to the particular longevity of the gun's parts, because 9mm is usually one of the cheapest centerfire rounds, and because it's what I've been training on the most (you don't fire revolvers and autos the same way).
So yeah, I'd feel fine carrying a revolver for self defense, as long as I remember I'm carrying a revolver so I don't throw all my shots off target trying to compensate for a nonexistent slide.
Yea and I can reload if necessary
I don't need more. You need more rounds because preps will keep coming with 9mm in them, it's a pea shooter. I use .50; this is not an issue for me.
>Cares about stopping power
>Isn't using .729 break action for maximum quick draw power.
If I give em both barrels, they ain't getting up.
One round of .357 is enough to put a nagger on the floor
What country?
92% chance it's our favorite shithole from beyond the Iron Curtain.
Literally any Western country that isn't the US
Yes. I the situations that I think I could need more I carry a larger gun. However, because I don't go to many potentially dangerous places I'm content with a 5/6/8 shot revolver. Good to have options and nothing else gets as comfy as a revolver AIWB. It's easy to get ahold of, won't jam no matter how crappy your grip is, and it's exceptionally safe to carry.
I was thinking about purchasing a 3" Model 60 in .357 Magnum for CCW. My P226 sags my trackpants down too much
Do it, anything under 3in in 357 is gay. I iwb mine in a tulster and carry a speed strip. First two chambers are 38 wadcutters and then it's 357 after that. Its fun as hell on the range with 38s and 357 is surprisingly tolerable even with the stock grip.
Used to carry a 3in sp101 but they're chonky and switched to colt king cobra but they have a design flaw with the hammer spring that I had to send in and promptly sell. SW has the stupid hole but its by far better than anything else I tried.
Dimensionally the King Cobra and SP101 are virtually the same. What was up with the V spring?
I think the redesign isn't as sturdy or maybe the metallurgy sucks but the hammer would only go about half way back in SA or DA. I like wheelgats cause if you get a misfire you just pull the trigger again but that kind of fuck up on the range has forever tarnished my reputation of nu-colt, especially given how expensive they are. Wasn't fond of the reset too which is a shame cause yeah its similar in size to sp101 but holds 6 rounds. I got a stainless gp100 with a 4.2 inch barrel and a couple hundred bucks of beer in its place and am way happier with it.
Practice with lots of dry fire and 38s and a handful of 357. I like to randomly mix em in the cylinder to keep my steady in check.
>hammer would only go halfway back
Sounds like a timing issue. Having not held them or taken them apart like I have Rugers, I can't say. If it was a Ruger having that problem I'd say it was the hammer dog not "handing off" the trigger to the DA sear correctly.
I think Colts only use the top of the trigger sear and the "hammer dog" rides on top all through the pull, so it couldn't have been there.
Only ever shot a 6" security six, .357 Magnum out of that is negligable but out of a 3" I'll likely have to practice considering the kick might be higher
I carry a fully-loaded 6-shot .357 magnum and 2 fully-loaded speed loaders.
It's my winter carry. The only time of year I can conceal it. I'd open carry it if my state wasn't retarded.
I love that revolver. Ruger Security Six. Made in the 80s, and has a damaged crown, but it still hits true, and spits mighty fire with every pull of the trigger.
My subcompact semiauto carries 7 rounds of 9mm.
My snub nosed revolver carries 5 rounds of 357.
Two more 9mm versus the greater power of a 357, which I'd call a wash.
Revolver is more reliable, and my 9 has definitely failed on me before.
>But you can reload the 9 faster
It's true, but the more I'm positive I'm going to need to carry extra ammo the more likely I am to just not fucking go to whatever place or situation I'm considering. If it's worth throwing extra magazines into your pocket because you think you'll need them, it's worth taking an AR, a bunch of 30 round mags, a full sized sidearm, and several similarly armed friends. It's not really a consideration.
The question isn't so much "which gun to carry" it's "do I carry or not?" For EDC literally anything is better than nothing, so carry whatever the fuck you feel like that is concealeable and shoots a decent caliber.
Statistically speaking 5 rounds is more than enough to handle a violent encounter
The scenarios that /k/ loves to larp about with a whole gang materializing from the shadows with rifles and armor don't happen outside of actual warzones
Also I live in a place with effectively no violent crime
>The scenarios that /k/ loves to larp about with a whole gang materializing from the shadows with rifles and armor don't happen outside of actual warzones
Even in warzones it really doesn't happen unless two opposing patrols run into each other.
You know, I've carried a 5 shot J frame for years...but I must say, switching to a Kimber K6xs for an extra round...really makes me feel better.
Regardless of if it's 5 or 6, the idea of shooting a threat twice and deterring other attackers via the potential for getting at least two or three shots themselves, is what causes criminals to stop or run.
Honestly, I don't understand how some people seriously carry single or two shot derringers in 2023.
If you shoot once, your basically screwed, because there is a chance, they might rush you.
Depends on where I am and what I am doing. Quick run to the store in the middle of the day? J-frame is fine. Route takes me down MLK Jr Blvd? Probably going to grab the P2000 or Beretta 92.
>Revolveranons do you feel secure and comfortable carrying 6 or even 5 rounds in most cases?
60% of the time, it works every time.
The more shots you fire the more likely the communist DA is going to convince a jury of your ""peers"" to send you to jail for life.
2 rounds of .44 can be very persuasive.
Until they pull a Harold Fish and get you incarcerated because your round was "overpowered"
his situation was way more complicated than that and you know it.
cope, he got convicted cause he used an overkill round
At the time, the state required defendants to prove they were acting in self defense. The defense attorney took the approach of equivalent force was used due to the dogs rushing Fish. The Jury was not convinced, but the judge was also a duck and barred a bunch of evidence against the aggressor being used.
The state law later changed to requiring proof the defendant was not acting in self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. That changes everything regarding round caliber used vs force needed.
In any reasonably likely defense situation, 5 shots will generally get the job done. Not that you shouldn't use higher capacity weapons, you absolutely should keep guns with as many rounds as possible, but generally speaking you aren't going to be completely fucked if you don't have enough ammo to kill 4 dozen joggers
I don't let 6+ naggers get near me
>bullets at typical handgun velocities must physically touch tissue to damage it as there are no remote wounding effects caused by the temporary cavity exceeding the elasticity of human flesh at these velocities
>in order to successfully incapacitate a threat via physical damage vital structures must be damaged
>only rounds with adequate penetration can reach these vital structures
>shot placement and penetration are the only factors that determine the effectiveness of any given handgun round to cause physical damage to vital structures
>the only downside to maximizing penetration with bullet selection is over-penetration
>if you don't care about overpenetration there is no reason to ever use hollowpoints because they limit penetration in exchange for an increase in surface area which is only a theoretically worthwhile exchange if you know for a FACT that expansion will not limit your penetration to unacceptable levels
>round nose bullets are inferior to bullets with square shoulders and flat meplats in their ability to cut tissue
>assuming two rounds have equally adequate penetration the better round of the two will be the one you can shoot faster while maintaining accuracy.
Hits count. First hits count most. Carry whatever gun/caliber combo you can make fast accurate hits with. Everything else is marketing bullshit designed to have you paying for overpriced meme ammunition.
>t. boomer allergic to the 5.7 pill
The future is now old man
Can't pocket carry a 5.7 junior and if you could the barrel being so short would gimp the round out of all relevance.
So it would go from way more effective than 9mm to equally effective out of a short barrel?
Gotcha.
I wouldn’t worry overmuch about over penetration out of a snub nose revolver. It’s unlikely your round is going to develop that much velocity.
And even if it does, after traversing a human torso it’s going to lose rather a lot of energy and momentum.
So yeah…it hits a dude that may be behind the target dude, but what’s it going to do?
It’s unlikely that the second dude is going to be chest to back of the guy in front of him, (unless they are being intimate, and that activity would rather preclude threatening you), so he’ll get a bruise.
The likely fact is is that if he as close enough to be hit with your round, he was likely involved in the threatening activity also, which makes your “overpenetrating” shot a “twofer”. Scores double points and a power up bonus.
More than enough to kill anything that moves.
I feel pretty comfortable but I don’t live around any large population centers.
No, I don't. That's why I carry eight.
In truth, I know an autoloader would be better but I feel more comfortable knowing the barrel pointed at my dick is attached to a DA trigger.
This is me shooting as fast as I can from draw at 7 yards with my 642. I’m working with a 13 plus pound trigger that has a horrible stiff break right before the hammer drops. Going to get a Wilson combat spring kit installed and do a lot of dry firing with snap caps to smooth it out. I also need to paint the front sight so I can see where the hell I’m aiming.
But, for a 36 year old boomer with an astigmatism and my first time shooting this specific revolver I can still rapid fire and put 5 rounds between your eyes at 21 feet. I’d say that’s plenty effective as a defensive firearm.
I always have my 642 on me, but sometimes I carry a Glock 19 as well, which I’m confident with out to 100 yards. The point is you have to practice and get good with your firearms. A j frame is a pretty bad choice for an amateur that can’t hit the broad side of a barn with a full sized 9mm.
>This is me shooting as fast as I can
how fast was it
It was kind of like bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.bang.
Probably half second splits. Takes awhile to recover from recoil and stage the trigger again. So more than fast enough for a bill drill and less than fist sized groups. Aim was off a bit cause I couldn’t see a decent sight picture.. but as long as you have good fundamentals you’ll put rounds where they count.
>stage the trigger
nagger you're doing it wrong. Pull straight through in one smooth motion with no stops. If your accuracy sucks doing that you need more dryfire practice to get your muscles in order.
Staging a trigger is done for long shots. Not going to read the other anon's context, but there's nothing wrong with staging for target shooting.
Snubs are not target guns. They are fighting guns and if you're carrying one for defense you need to practice that way. Also You can shoot DAO at long range without staging(but why would you ever need that?). Years back my father and I shot 50rds each from DAO j-frames at B27s @100yds. We counted anything in the black and both scored in the mid 30s.
OMG muh belly gun needs to be a lazor beam. No. No it doesn't.
>i LIKE that my gun is only useful in one kind of situation.
>stop larping, larper guy!
>i dedicate a portion of my life to obsessing over self defense but yeah i'll just run away if a shooter is further than 20ft away!
everyone knows revolverfags just hop between 'look how rational i am!' and 'lol ur a faggit if u dont carry a revolver, hardcast stoppan powa!'
its why no one takes you seriously
>i'll just run away if a shooter is further than 20ft away!
Yes. The only reason for a CCW to exist is so you can break contact and live.
>Break contact
You are going to have to explain how you would have legal justification to do much more.
No I don't. There is extensive case law on this subject. The variables in any given jurisdiction are well known with the wild cards being the local DA, prosecutors and judges and where they fall on the political spectrum.
>most responsible Taurus owner
>Case law
Leave your basement. What jurisdiction? Please explain how you have legal justification to do more than break contact.
>Please explain
No.
wow thats so brave that you acted childish anonymously. do you also instinctively reply "Yes." to all rhetorical questions?
yes
t. prison food enjoyer.
>I know how to make a bomb out of a roll of toilet paper and a stick of dynamite
I’ve seen your beautiful j frame on this board for more than a few years thank you for telling me about T grips they have made my model 19-3 feel sublime in my hand.
I only stage the trigger while I’m getting my other fundamentals in order. I didn’t mean I sit there and try to break the trigger at certain moment. I meant I’m taking up the slack and breaking the shot when my sights are aligned. This has been taught for 50 years in law enforcement especially in the air Marshalls and FBI. Yes it’s a smooth roll but you don’t break until the sights are aligned and you know where the shot is going to go. The whole smooth fast pull thing is a meme guntubers made up. I mean you do you but my groups are better than yours and I bet those were at 5y
>I meant I’m taking up the slack and breaking the shot when my sights are aligned.
Yeah that's staging and it's bad technique for a fighting gun. You are 100% going to do that shit live if that's how you practice rapid fire. You need to get some snap caps and get to work with your dryfire. It don't take much. Do like 15mins 2-3 times a week religiously at the minimum. Keep the sights aligned all the way through the pull. Firm grip. Build up those muscles.
I guess I should break a shot when my sights aren’t aligned. I stage every trigger including my Glock and AR. Not going to fall for your guntuber just slap the trigger bullshit. If I need to shoot quick I will but accuracy will always suffer the faster you shoot.
>I guess I should break a shot when my sights aren’t aligned.
I guess you should learn to break a shot DAO while keeping your sights aligned. It's like you don't understand it's not an either/or proposition. If you can't do ti it's not because it can't be done it's just because you can't do it. All it takes is work. No one is saying "slap the trigger" either you enormus homosexual. It's a deliberate motion and it's smooth as butter from 10s of thousands of repetitions.
GIT GUD homosexual
You aren’t taking into account that I’m staging the trigger under recoil or as I’m drawing. I’m not waiting until my sights are aligned to take up slack.
I'm taking into account everything you're saying about shooting rapid fire with a DAO trigger is wrong and that this shit got figured out by better shooters than you or me long before you were born.
You know Jerry isn't shooting 357s right?
Neither do I.
real niggas carry 38 short colt
taking shooting tips from jerry is like taking swimming tips from michael phelps.
You can learn something of use from damn near anyone.
>This has been taught for 50 years in law enforcement especially in the air Marshalls and FBI.
lol. lmao even. Those fags are not gunfighters and do fuck all actual grinding on their skills. I'm telling you that you can attain a high level of accuracy without staging and you will be faster than you are currently probably by a wide margin. It takes consistent work though that most people just will not do and then shit talk revolvers for being "not as easy as muh staple gun."
>I mean you do you but my groups are better than yours and I bet those were at 5y
More like 8 and I wish I was the kind of fag to have video of how fast I go. That pic I posted of my targets the right one was 50rds as fast as I can pull the trigger. Everyone of them would have been in someone's face.
I carry a .44 Magnum loaded with bear rounds.
A 305 grain bullet at 1260fps will handle an "urban youth" just fine.
FBI plain clothes shootings stop a threat in under 7 rounds, never a mag reload.
Generally, yes.
>Be innacity.
>Feral nog walks up to my truck to have words with me.
>See him walking up.
>Grab my Problem Solver brand problem solver.
>Nog walks up and sees Problem Solver in my hand.
>Nog does a 360 and leaves the area without saying a word.
Not saying it works every time, but most people don't want to get shot by anything and most real defensive fights are a conversation gone wrong.
Six in the cylinder and one in the barrel
>t. only keeps one in the barrel
NGMI
>you only need 1 round
i dont care i want to shoot someone as many times as i can legally
if someone wants to fuck with me SO BAD that i need to shoot them i am going to get 24 years of repressed emotion out in the form of 17 9mm boolets
I don't have to collect my brass before I run away