ITT, we talk about the cringy stuff we enjoyed on PrepHole in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Particular topics of interest are Max Brooks' fuddtastic and noguns, yet entertaining The Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z, zombie prepper culture, STALKER, general innawoods, and any other topic that you pine for from the golden age of PrepHole
>What was your zombie plan?
>What was your zombie loadout?
>Which melee weapon is best for fighting zombies
>Rewrite the Battle of Yonkers so it actually makes sense
>Writefag in general, show your PrepHolereativity
>Drawfag in general
>Talk about past STALKER or PrepHole Summer Challenges
>Post or write innawoods greentexts
>Post your cringy relics from the era
I said come in, don't stand there!
I had something I thought was really smart that I wanted to post in the last zombie thread, but it 404'd and now I don't remember what it was.
High School of the Dead has a special place in my heart and put me on the road to owning guns. Alongside that, it got me into writing zombie fiction at a time when my life was really awful which morphed into me learning screenwriting and making graphic novels. "It was the best of times and it was the worst of times."
We make fun of zombie culture now, but it honestly went a long way to making us the autistic PrepHoleommandos that we are today. Sure it was cringy as fuck in retrospective, but it was fun and it got a lot of people into guns and other PrepHole-adjacent fields.
I met one of my British best friends for life on a gaming forum that was zombie apocalypse adjacent and I don't think I'd give it up for anything. I plan to make him a British Airborne kit with Lee Enfield and Browning Hi Power for being such a cool dude.
>thinking that zombies are cringy
I'm sorry you missed 2020 and 2021 but a zombie apocalypse was perfectly appropriate for what happened.
RIP to the author. Absolute tragedy he died before he could finish the series.
Kohta lives in my and everyone post 2011 PrepHoleommando's heart.
Writerfag here from the first few posts. I used to write this kind of fiction with military characters and I like this. Not enough zombie fiction covers the "middle" like DBDA, TLOU, and WW, didm Anyway. Alongside that, they'd be augmented by civilians with basic medical training and whatever's left of private security guards/the NYPD/NY State Police having to sift through people and ascertaining whether they're infected or not("Are you certain a *dog* bit you? Are you sure you fell down a flight of stairs and scratched your leg?" A lot of false positive innocent people would get shot, being mistaken for infected. The evacuation centers would be pure chaos, making Saigon and Afghanistan '21 look orderly. With the military unsure how to ascertain what constitutes an infected, and some NY National Guardsmen/LE specifically choosing their families to pick out of the crowd in order to get them out first(I'm thinking along the lines of I Am Legend). This causes more chaos and in the confusion, LE and mil end up firing into the crowd. This scenario repeats itself as people don't know if the military's there to clean up the area or if they're actually there to evacuate the uninfected. I haven't even mentioned people who haven't even been processed biting others in line or in the crowds, with the random stray infected biting others.
That would've made a really good WWZ chapter, to the point, that something like that underlining just how much of a shitshow an evacuation center in infested New York was and how it undermined public confidence in the military should've replaced the Yonkers chapter. In the book it's just kind of skimmed over what the military response is while New York outbreak is underway and it seems like they just sit on their hands for months until all of Manhattan becomes undead and they finally decide to do something.
Right? Sorry for the typos. My stupid ass is phone posting. Even better would be cops recognizing their co workers and members of their family and going, "Joey wtf are you doing? go back to work." with said co workers either ratting them out to the military or looking the other way. Even the military briefings and NG/Reserve call ups I feel would be sloppy as fuck, with units either being severely understrength due to people not receiving the "come back to work call", soldiers staying home with their families, or others bugging out. With this, soldiers having already seen videos of the infected online, and their chains of command not having clear answers from the CDC, the ROE becomes "yeah they need to be actively attacking people". With the word "attacking" being construed as "The dude defending himself against a biter with a baseball bat might've been infected" causing more confusion and uncertainty in the ranks and causing innocent people to die. Video below is very much related.
>I remain forgotten
Rest in peace, Richard Biggs.
kind of reminds of that one part of WWZ where in some central european nation they used gas weapons on their own fleeing civies to sort out the mass
Lost many loads in high school to HoTD. And damn it had some cool zombie fights.
Thanks for /a/ and PrepHole for the greatest ecchi meme in existence.
World War Z is zionist garden gnome wank. Literally all the characters the author likes are garden gnomes, female soldiers, and shitHispanics who somehow have their experience cleaning toilets translate into fighting zombies and fixing tank engines.
It's the gayest of globalist schlock, If you're not 10 years old jerking off over big guns and nukes, the book reads like a PragerU commercial asking you to donate to israel.
High School of the dead was so much fun, I rewatch it every other summer or so as a tradition. It's just big tits, slapping faces and asses, and big guns.
It's fast enough paced that by the time the writing starts getting boring with high school drama, they either jerk you off with exposition and gun porn or massive tits and VERY nicely animated slick anime girl bodies.
Before my friend died last year, we watched HOTD months earlier. Every time it wasn't Kohta on screen:
>"MOVE I WANT TO WATCH KOHTA SHOOT SHIT"
>"/k/ohta is literally us"
You really never know what you have until it's gone.
Reminder that the creator confirmed that the purple haired insane sword girl was the main love interest and her and the protag would end up together before he died.
Are we talking about sword chick or the really bitchy one that you wanted to use a zombie bait?
I don't know how much more specific I can get.
Oh. Well that's not the worst thing. Sorry about that anon. I was concerned it was rich girl but it's been a couple years.
>tfw no SR25
HOTD made me want to get one and still does. Squad only made the itch worse.
>World War Z is zionist garden gnome wank. Literally all the characters the author likes are garden gnomes, female soldiers, and shitHispanics who somehow have their experience cleaning toilets translate into fighting zombies and fixing tank engines.
I remember one bit that was like
>Heh, then the white housewife had a mental breakdown because she couldn't handle being taught real practical skills by the based Mexican that used to be her maid.
it was a Hollywood marketing executive
I liked that tho, because fuck Hollywood and fuck snotty white bitches
Don't forget ancient blind martial artists and celebrities. Shit reads like a coastie checklist.
>It's the gayest of globalist schlock
That wasn't some hidden meaning. Brooks was pretty explicit about the message.
He was a well known political satirist, this book was written first as political commentary on world issues circa 2003, as serious fiction second.
He's also devout liberal, obviously. This wasn't and isn't a barrier to enjoying the work because (as back then the shit flinging between the two tribes was not yet so vitriolic) while he may depict garden gnomes, female soldiers, and shitHispanics as Big Damn Heroes, he does not stoop to calling his cultural opposition (a sizable portion of his readership) 'Literal Hitlers who need to be killed and their children mind raped'.
Yeah sure NOW we know that allowing the former leads to the later, but that doesn't make the set pieces any less cool. Take that stick out of ass, anon.
That alone dates it solidly to the 2000s, the most partisan shitflinging he indulges in is a Bush admin official/fox news talking head composite justifying the government's poor initial response while literally shoveling shit. Were it made in the last decade there would be at least several chapters dedicated to how Humans are le real monsters (by which we mean just ebul MAGAts).
>World War Z is zionist garden gnome wank. Literally all the characters the author likes are garden gnomes, female soldiers, and shitHispanics
Oh my sweet summer child, you think WWZ is bad, you haven't seen TLOU
or literally any movie or series in the past five years or so
also, in WWZ the Israelis end up fighting Orthodox terrorists in a civil war because they decided to let Pallies into their anti-zombie megafort, it's not exactly their finest hour
It's a pretty thinly veiled Karl Rove stand-in.
With modern tech you could pretty easily have smart turrets creating kill zones.
This man singlehandedly changed child me from loving torpedo tit high schoolers to loving torpedo tit high schoolers and firearms.
This would bring a tear to his eyes, I'm pretty sure that's the change he hoped to bring by drawing that manga in his noguns country.
>Rewrite the Battle of Yonkers so it actually makes sense
Tanks bulldoze every zombie
I liked Zombieland and Left 4 Dead. Good times.
Until the millions of zombies block all the viewports and engine air intakes and the tanks are immobilised. 2/10 for effort.
>keep your dozens of tons of steel moving
>turn up the undead under your tracks
>oh no we got some red on one of the cameras and while going 40kph some z's got up on our intakes 2 meters from the ground
So you've just mulched thens of thousands of z's and now you have to sit tight until the rest gets mopped up
Not him, but I don’t think you understand how finicky tracked vehicles are.
Same way all of the people saying “what if it was only three companies at Yonkers” don’t understand how the Army works.
The thing is, even if they break down, which they won’t because they aren’t THAT fragile, you now have a bunker that’s impenetrable to the zombies. So all the crew has to do is sit tight for a while and shoot whatever ammunition they have. And maybe spin the turret around in circles to whack zombies for fun.
>yeeeehawww let's run em down!
>pile-drives half a mile deep into zeek
>absolutely everything clogged or jammed with human goo
>air intakes filled, engine shuts down
>even if it didn't, the surface of the tracks is too slick, worse than any muddy terrain
>your "bunker" is deep behind a horde 20 million deep, and the few hundred you mulched don't even begin to dent it
>wait patiently, surely help will arrive :^]
>military intelligence determines situation untenable, orders Da Big One be dropped
>bunker is now a fancy coffin
Wowee isn't Abrams unvincable?
However, a smartlier move would have been to load up on cannister shells and perpetually shotgun the horde.
>air intake filled
shut the fuck up dumbass
even tanks intake filters can get clogged, volcanic ash is a real killer
You know we can just pop them out and either beat the grit out or run the turbine dirty, right?
Anyone have the webm of the M2 that drove back to base with like a mile of razor wire wrapped up in its tracks?
I love how there's always just a magical horde of millions and the other side gets to take no action until this happens.
Also, hordes would trample each other.
I addressed this several times. Five zombies could nearly tear a body completely apart before brain death occurred. Your new recruit is missing half his muscles, the one thing he needs to pursue people and wrestle them.
When the author needs it the hordes are "too spread out" for your weapons and when the author needs it they're a huge mass. Against a big horde sabots would draw lines through literally dozens of zombies.
>Just re-read it and don't see the big deal.
There is literally a line where the narrator points out that the artillery and airstrikes only covered a tiny proportion of the area they KNEW THE ZOMBIES OCCUPIED. There's "Artillery is less effective than I thought" and then there's "I had twenty miles of enemies on a road, bombed one mile, and was shocked when the 19 miles of enemies I did not bomb did not die".
One is believable incompetence, the other is surreal to such an extreme it wouldn't make sense in loony toons land.
A few AC130 gunships flying overhead alongside artillery would have been cool at Yonkers too.
What do zombies do when they hear loud sounds in the air? I assume zombies far away still walk in the general direction, but do zombies right below sit still and look up? Can a low flying jet kite a zombie horde wherever he wants and run them in circles as long as he has fuel?
Dumb zombies that only respond to sounds are easily exploited and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Now I'm mad about stupid zombies again, thanks 2012 PrepHole.
>it’s not like Zack just skipped through the barrage unscathed. We saw bodies blown to shit, tossed into the air, ripped to pieces, even complete heads, live heads
with eyes and jaws still moving, popping sky high like freakin’ Cristal corks…we were taking them down, no doubt, but not as many or as fast as we needed to!
>it was a fuckin’ meat grinder, a wood chipper, organic matter clouding like sawdust above the horde
>We were the last line of defense, the afterthought when it came to firepower. We were supposed to pick off the random lucky G who happened to slip through the giant bitchslap of our heavier stuff
>And then they came, right out of the smoke like a freakin’ little kid’s nightmare! Some were steaming, some were even still burning…some were walking, some crawling, some just dragging themselves
along on their torn bellies…maybe one in twenty was still able to move, which left…shit…a couple thousand? And behind them, mixing with their ranks and pushing steadily toward us, the remaining million
that the air strike hadn’t even touched!
Good trade nonetheless.
Honest question for anyone that knows, because I don't.
What's the likelihood that a tank driving through a dense pile of zombies would get some nasty shit up in the treads that would cause it to throw a track? Even if it's unlikely, the story could make for a spooky story of the crew being stuck in the middle of a horde if it's just a one-off event.
Unless it’s a titanium hip, zero.
Zombie Granddad might just get the most insane posthumous kill score then
Template from the last thread for making your very own 2010-style zombie apocalypse loadout.
There is a version 6
www deviantart com/eternalreflux/art/Zombie-Survival-Sheet-Template-508874523
Posting my template from the last thread.
Here's what I would've probably done in 2010-2012. These are a lot of fun to make.
>that side kick
You could've saved her.
>Find a small town with a gas station a decent distance from any forest
>Make napalm packages and spread them out through the streets
>Lure zombies into the town square
>Park cars to limit egress
>Throw a Molotov cocktail setting the horde on fire
>What is left of the town is now mine
>Hunt food with my eagle bro and make jerky for the rest of my life
Some people have been saying that if you wear a suit of armor then zombies won't be able to infect you because they wouldn't be able to bite you. This is true however if you get dogpiled by a few zombies then eventually a horde, you will instead either suffocate or die of dehydration. If you get too close to a group of zombies you're already fucked, the most you can do is dress in a way that keeps the zombies from scratching you, anything more will put an unnecessary burden on you (sweating, extra weight, can't climb easily). The advantage a human would have over most zombies would be speed, dress in a way that allows for comfort and freedom movement.
Wasting a lot of time and resources by making turrets and doing recon like that. Flame thrower turrets might work since the fire would spread from zombie to zombie which saves resources. Instead of using a drone you could mounting solar powered cameras on buildings that you can connect to remotely would save electricity and mitigate the risk of loosing the drone.
I enjoyed actually being able to shoot 5.45x39
At the time, it seemed like the cheap slavshit would never end. Zoomers and newfags are spoiled with their cheap ARs, but they missed the magic of cleaning cosmoline off of slavshit surplus, going innawoods with an SKS, and beating the shit out of a sticky-bolt Nugget.
My dad bought me a 90 dollar nugget when I was 14. Beautiful piece of shit.
Normally, we waste our time discussing what we’d do in an infection only scenario. What we we should actually ask ourselves is how we’d handle ourselves in situations like Night of the Living Dead where any recently deceased are getting back up regardless of bites.
Now I have no doubt that the army would be more than capable of fighting undead ghouls, especially in the countryside. The bigger question is how the hell do you suppress an enemy that is seemingly everywhere?
Naturally, the only way to actually ensure 100% solid containment would be to somehow monitor everyone’s heart beat, which is impossible. Thousands die in the US every day from allergic reactions, car crashes, heart attacks, cancer, you name it.
I’m of the opinion that public order would immediately breakdown as hysteria would immediately rise from this event. Which only exasperates the rise of bite victims.
I have to ask PrepHole, how do you realistically protect the civilian populace here? I cannot imagine how you do this with most of your cops and national guard bugging out to protect their own families. Maintaining supply routes would probably be total hell as well.
I feel that most likely you’d have rogue armies seizing their own bases and local energy sources. Humanity is definitely not gonna lose but life will certainly be harder now that death itself is gone.
I didn’t intend to respond to you directly anon, it was for the thread as a whole. My apologies.
Most of the last thread was about a virus-borne zombie outbreak, but I think the Romero style zombies would make a different, but equally interesting deep dive. Not knowing how the zombies function, whether their bodies can repair themselves, or how fast they decompose, if at all, limits speculation a bit, but there are a few possibilities as to how societies would deal with this kind of thing. I'd personally imagine communities ending up as smaller, more tight-knit settlements.
>Most settlements have some kind of physical barrier around the main population center
>Farmland and areas where full fortification is not feasible need to be constantly patrolled, either by dedicated professionals or as a shared communal duty
>Anyone that's likely to die via illness, injury, or old age is euthanized
>Suicide in the event of a bite is glorified as a heroic sacrifice
>Some form of highway patrol constantly guards major supply routes to keep them clear of the undead
>Cremation of the deceased is mandatory
>Someone develops subterranean zombie-disposal charges to prevent the bodies that weren't in the ground long enough to decompose from digging their way out
>The buddy system becomes a cultural cornerstone
Thats really interesting anon, i didnt even considering euthanasia, this makes for some compelling dystopian fiction. I have to wonder what would become of our ICBMs
>I have to ask PrepHole, how do you realistically protect the civilian populace here?
Assuming the outbreak localizes in one spot, you start shooting everyone in the head who died from other causes. It would be weird, but assuming cops come to the scene of dead bodies anyhow they can put on in the head and move on. Also most of the deaths that happen daily would be on weak or mangled bodies so they aren’t exactly in prime fighting condition when they come back
My first gun was a $100 nugget from Big 5's. I still remember the cosmoline like it was yesterday. Bought 40 rounds of Tula ammo back when it was in a white box and before they changed the name to "Tulammo" for 50 cents a round. They garden gnomeed me hard then but it's probably average price now. Bayoneted my targets in the woods, shot clays set up on the hill side (probably missing, but a near miss would break it anyway from the rocks and dirt being thrown up).
Either bend the extractor claw or get a new interrupter.
>Not using a block of wood like a true STALKER
>not knowing your weapon inside and out
Get out of here Stalker.
A lot of this book doesn't really hold up under critical thinking but it's an extremely entertaining zombie book and that's enough
Yeah, as brought up in the previous thread, Brooks was clearly referencing a ton of fuddlore and Reformer bullshit. He was also clearly noguns and noswords, but I think it speaks to his ability as a writer and storyteller that we enjoyed his books in spite of all that. I remember writing a fanfiction (starring myself of course) back in the day set in the World War Z timeline using a Day By Day Armageddon diary-style format.
I really enjoyed the chapters about phalanx and the ones set in europe
I've spent like a decade thinking about how I would fight my way back from the Rockies if I were the military commander in charge of taking back America. A few thoughts
>drone reconnaissance and some kind of big neural network could probably predict zombie movement/concentrations well enough to plan military operations
>since zombies tend to attract each other with their moans, you can clear out 90%+ of zombies in an area just by standing in an open area, waiting for them to come to you, and then blasting them
>this is one of the few applications where autoturrets would actually be useful because they could pull off hundreds of crisp headshots in a row without ever getting tired, you could mount them on vehicles or UAVs to get a good vantage point
>some kind of belt fed 5.56 firearm would be ideal for this role due to the light ammunition, infrequent reloads, and consistent range/power
>a good TTP for clearing out an area might be to roll up into an open area with vehicles that have a couple autoturrets and a loudspeaker on them, use the loudspeaker to attract the horde, and then use the autoturrets to clean up everything that shows up, if you get overwhelmed just drive away
>clearing out highways would be a huge pain in the ass because they would be filled with abandooned vehicles and the short sight lines would allow for potentially lethal ambushes
>you could easily start on the coasts/rivers first because shipping supplies is way cheaper than driving them through a ruined wasteland with mostly destroyed infrastructure
>dealing with rebels would be really easily because the zombies will get them if they aren't holed up in a compound
imagine intentionally drawing hordes to rebel holdouts.
I think the idea of using the zombies' lack of awareness and tendency to fall off of buildings/cliffs really underutilized.
>find a fairly tall highway overpass, one that's structurally stable and large enough to land a small helicopter on it
>clear it from zombies, vehicles and debris
>use explosives to collapse both sides of the overpass, leaving a safe spot in the middle
>keep a small contingent of troops with a powerful sound system and helicopter on it
>zombies from either sides of the highway are lured to the sound and fall to the bottom, now they're either dead or immobile
>shitloads of zombies also come from all directions and pile up underneath the overpass
>once the troops need to move for whatever reason, evacuate them with the helicopter and carpet bomb the entire area with napalm
>rinse and repeat
The US military in the book still has working airbases and plenty of aircraft/bombs in reserves, so they could definitely pull this off. I think it would be reasonably effective.
In the books, crippling a zombie (really any injury that isn't a headshot) makes them even more of a pain in the ass because they can hide in tall grass and shit and act like a biological land mine.
I was imagining the high command would have to conduct a bunch of trials on zombie herd dynamics to try and figure out how to draw them into convenient extermination areas.
Like get them all to leave the thick forest and go to a field where marksmen/robots can shoot all of them in the head.
>In the books, crippling a zombie (really any injury that isn't a headshot) makes them even more of a pain in the ass because they can hide in tall grass and shit and act like a biological land mine
Yes, anon, that's why the next step I suggested is burning the area with a generous dose of napalm. I get that they are a living (or rather, undead) land mine when they are in some field your army has to advance through, but it's kind of a moot point when you know exactly where they are and proceed to obliterate them ASAP
How much napalm do you think the average domestic 2023 military base stocks?
If zombies follow drones you could just use drones to herd them into a giant pack and bomb it. The rest is just mop-up work.
An idea I wish someone had played with in zombie movies and tv is attracting hordes with huge sound systems
>find a quarry, ravine, walled in area, etc
>put a bunch of high powered speakers in the middle
>hook them up to a generator
>place a shit ton of remote-activated in industry IEDs in the surrounding area (think gas barrels with explosives)
>turn everything on, hide nearby, blast a death metal playlist on repeat
>a few hours later, it’s a massive zombie party
>a few seconds after that, it’s a massive zombie bonfire
That’s only a rough outline, but you get the idea. Would have been cool and clever to see played out on screen.
They did that in Day by Day Armageddon. They drop these huge ass payloads that let out a certain frequency, let that blast for 24 hours before they nuked the area, which turned out bad because it just radiated like 3/4 or the zombies, so they ended up not rotting as fast.
>they nuked the area, which turned out bad because it just radiated like 3/4 or the zombies
That's retarded. Everything organic for at least 5 miles would be turned to charcoal.
i think you overestimate the power of nukes
They do that in World War Z. They start out by sending in dog teams to initially get the zombies' attention and then draw them in the rest of the way to the infantry lines with speakers blasting Iron Maiden.
Brooks uses line infantry tactics on the zombies because in-book it's determined that it's more resource-efficient to kill the various hordes with infantry than air support given the limited manufacturing and logistical ability of the country at the time.
It's honestly the one scene I wanted to see in the World War Z movie, and I got cucked out of it for a generic zombie flick.
>for a generic zombie flick
hollywood is a mystery, they spend hundreds of millions making movies and cheap out on script when the script would the most cost efficient way of improving the quality
It's because the writer's overvalue their work, and blackball anyone willing to charge for less if that's what it takes to get their story idea on screen.
they don't need world renowned scriptwriter to bring in matter experts for consultation
>the writer's overvalue their work
>the Chinese will eat any shit
it's not the chinese who will automatically cheer so long as the cast features one woman, one moron, one latinx, one chud, and one bumbling useless white male and/or one villainous white male
>it's not the chinese who will automatically cheer
Yes it is.
>B-but I want to make a point about muh woke culture
Sure, go ahead and do that but what's really ruining Western media is appealing to China.
>muh woke culture
sounds like you're the chud here
>unironically defending woke culture
>Implying I'm defending anything when I'm complaining about the chinks ruining Western media
You're a retard and the internet was a lot more fun before you people took it over.
Fine, I'll drop the memes
I find wokeshit in movies more dangerous to our society than chink pandering. Simple as.
I find that people like you rarely read the media that movies later ruin. Either woke = broke or woke = everyone throwing their money at it and it ruins society, which is it?
>people like you rarely read the media that movies later ruin
joke's on you, smartass; I'm a lifelong member of the Book Was Better Club
>Either woke = broke or woke = everyone throwing their money at it and it ruins society, which is it?
Sorry, don't understand.
>Sorry, don't understand.
And once again I find myself better off being a smartass than a dumbass.
No, you're still wrong both ways.
You're objectively incorrect and your opinions are bad too.
Yes, at least to the degree that Disney straight up rewrote some Star Wars shit around that nonsense.
OK here's one.
I guess this moron wins whatever gay argument you were having because he posted gun and the other moron didn't.
No need to punch up the script when the Chinese will eat any shit you give them, especially since they're going to get their own dub/sub.
>the Chinese will eat any shit you give them
.. .. isn't there a law against media depicting the undead in China? same for time travel
Not a serious one, no.
They will ban anything periodically as and when it suits them.
For example, they even temporarily banned their national anthem recently, because it was being used by critics of the government.
IMO, Day by Day Armageddon was better.
Always felt like the best most realistic "zombie" media wasn't even "zombies" at all. Namely 28 Days Later and the INFECTED or The Last of Us and the INFECTED or I am Legend and the NOT-VAMPIRES. Scenarios where you can see how the military and civilization fell.
I really like the 28 Days Later infection scenario, it’s both plausible in its aggressivity (explodes so fast that when you realize it is happening, it’s already too late), yet still manages to be threatening enough without any magical ”only headshots kill” or ”zombies never expire and keep shambling for ages” stuff. Too bad that the sequel was pretty damn horrible.
Wouldn't 28 days zombies all die of dehydration inside of a week?
well they were still infecting survivors and stuff but I'd imagine some of them were dying
Day by Day Armageddon was million times better. It's not a survival guide, but you can learn more from that series than you could from that stupid book you posted.
That shit made me want a Nomex OD green flight suit and a CAR-15. >:(
Same. Don't forget John was fucking shit up with a .22
Also the hate for canary yellow Humvees that came from this.
Canary yellow? Are you talking about the Hummer him and the Afghani sniper get later on?
No DbDA was fucking shit and the retard writing it has a sixth grade education level. It read as though an enlisted man wrote it.
>active personal writes a book.
>reads like an active personal writes a book.
Author was active duty pilot at the time, so I know he's smarter than you.
That's everyone on 4/chan.
Post SERE cert
>is a tripfag
I liked both of them at the time. I need to go back and re-read Day By Day Armageddon because I don't actually remember any of the story anymore other than it being in a diary format.
It was good until the third book totally shit the bed. I know there's more after that but I haven't bothered.
I miss the challenges so much
It’s nearly Summer and I haven’t seen a single innawoods challenge thread 🙁
be the change you want to see in this world
-some guy idk
>It's eviction night at the Big Brother house, but something very strange is happening; the dead are coming alive and attacking the living. When zombies attack all of the audience outside, the Big Brother contestants are unaware of the death outside the fan-proof (and zombie-proof) big brother house until the show's runner, Kelly, comes into the house and warns them of the doom outside.
There's a Brazillion spinoff called "Reality Z" and it has by far the dumbest cast imaginable. The smartest character is a riot cop with anger management issues who's on cocaine one half of his screentime and is going through withdrawal the other half.
>Night of the living Dead ends with all the zombies being killed by people with guns
as it would happen.
Yes, but the dead are going to continue to rise regardless of bites. This would be impossible to contain.
the recently dead who havent had their brain destroyed, that is
the NOTLD zombie doesnt bother trying to ground their zombies in realistic science, they assume its either a virus or space radiation from venus, but its never definitively settled in the original "of the dead" series
funnily enough they acknowledge that the zombies are little threat on their own, only dangerous when youre cornered by them
because romero was interested in the social ramifications of the total destruction of modern society, with the zombies just a convenient way to bring it about
which is why "the humans were the real monsters: is a recurring theme, the zombies can literally be shoved out of the way but humans are too short-sighted to come together to destroy them
genuinely refreshing take in the old days, its just that its been too heavily copied without improvement over and over that people got sick of it
>because romero was interested in the social ramifications of the total destruction of modern society, with the zombies just a convenient way to bring it about
In other words, gay shit
Monster movies must first and foremost be about the monster and the puzzle of defeating or surviving it.
RETURN Chads RISE UP AND EAT THIS ROMEROFAGS BRAIN
Zombie media peaks when it’s Man vs Nature stories.
Zombie “Man vs Man” and “Man vs Himself” stories are boring and don’t even really require the zombies to be there for the narrative.
To be fair the first three movies end with most of the characters being killed by zombies, I think its just that humans are just more dangerous owing to their guns.
>Impossible to contain
And impossible for it to reach anything approaching apocalyptic levels. Zombies that eat significant amounts of their victims aren't good at generating more zombies.
Presumably the zombies just need to snack on their victims long enough for the poor sod to die and reanimate, so they wouldn't fully remove the ensuing zombie's mobility. I imagine most of the deaths would come from bites where the victim escapes to succumb later, given how slow Romero zombies are.
in the romero-world, bites arent necessary to turn
in night of the living dead, its implied that the bite just caused an infection that killed the girl who then rose because all recently killed turned
If I'm remembering right, getting bitten by a Romero zombie kills you in hour to days via a highly infections bite. It's not that it's a virus that turns you, it's just that you get sick, die, and reanimate like everyone else that dies.
Depends on whether or not the zombies keep eating once the person dies and reanimates, which seems to happen pretty rapidly. Theoretically a corpse could have a totally hollowed out abdominal cavity and still reanimate as a fully functional zombie as long as there's enough leg muscle to allow it to get up and move.
I think part of the reason people's zombie plans involve the Brooks-style zombies is that he set down specific rules for how zombies function, while Romero zombies don't really have a lot of consistency and have different abilities based on the individual movies. They go from being able to use tools, to being mindless corpses, to being zombies that are able to plan and communicate.
Jesus, my spelling was awful there.
I prefer the Brooks-style zombies for consistancy, but I think the infection needs to kill much more quickly than the 24 hour average stated, barring the bites on slow-burn locations to allow for the requisite "asshole hiding a bite wound" drama.
>Depends on whether or not the zombies keep eating once the person dies and reanimates, which seems to happen pretty rapidly.
you can rip and bite a fuck of a lot of muscle between "bleeding from surface wounds" and "brain death", to say nothing of lost digits or wrenched joints.
>Theoretically a corpse could have a totally hollowed out abdominal cavity and still reanimate as a fully functional zombie as long as there's enough leg muscle to allow it to get up and move.
Not fully functional. This might come as a surprise to you but those muscles on people's torso do things, things relevant to the task of wrestling people to death.
Anon, they're zombies and Romero-style ones at that. You have to either suspend a bit of disbelief here and there or write your own zombies with better rules.
Actually, I like that second idea more. Run with it and describe to me how you'd make your zombies feel more grounded.
That's an open invitation for anyone, by the way.
>Run with it and describe to me how you'd make your zombies feel more grounded.
paradoxically, straight up magic
>everyone treats the pastor who says they are literally from hell as silly
>even though this is no more or less realistic than space radiation or a virus
>actually is a bit more plausible because demons arent necessarily constrained by logic
>Stand back boy! This calls for some divine intervention!
I'm now imagining a priest becoming an actual fucking Paladin and clearing out infestations with a tacticool Bible and a blessed AR-15.
I loved the zombies in Doom 3 where they're just corpses being puppeteered by damned souls. I don't know if they kept that in the newer games.
A story where a literal, actual necromancer raises the dead in a modern setting and they chew through a bunch of retards who read all the books and can't cope with the fact that these guys don't follow le zombie rules could be cool.
Okay, in the fifties the US government discovers a supernatural compound that can turn anything from a skeleton up into a crazed, but inteligent, berserker that hungers exclusively for human brains. They successfully contain the compound for decades, but due to a shipping error, a canister stored in a warehouse full of medical cadavers breaks open. The Compound replicates through anything killed by a Zombie, and if a corpse is burned, the smoke rapidly precipitates nearby.
Such an awesome movie. + naked lady
An occult researcher studying the oldest occult tome in the world accidentally summons a powerful will of evil that while incorporeal can posses the dead and even some of the living, transforming them into demonic monsters with super strength. Anyone they kill is possessed automatically.
I'll say it as many times as I want, the original resident evil games probably got zombies the best, especially outbreak
the actual outbreak lasts around 2 weeks before the government decides to cleanse the city completely with nuclear hellfire, both as an attempt to erase all evidence of its collusion with umbrella and to destroy any chance of the virus going through
>I'll say it as many times as I want, the original resident evil games probably got zombies the best, especially outbreak
Realistically you'd have to drop like a thousand nuclear bombs on a city and the surrounding area to be even close to sure you got it all.
in 3 it was a nuke, in outbreak it was a couple thermobaric warheads to boot, and in outbreak file 2 it was a shitton of missiles
as a kid I thought it was an incredibly silly idea but as an adult I realize it's probably the most efficient way to sterilize a city with zombies and other virus experiment monsters running about
>as an adult I realize it's probably the most efficient way to sterilize a city with zombies and other virus experiment monsters running about
funny because of how return of the living dead ends
>You have to either suspend a bit of disbelief here and there or write your own zombies with better rules.
>Actually, I like that second idea more. Run with it and describe to me how you'd make your zombies feel more grounded.
>That's an open invitation for anyone, by the way.
How about this
>The most autistic man in the world with a medical license develops a reagent that can bring the dead back to life but they become psychopathic and exhibit mutations.
>Due to his obsessive compulsive disorder he habitually makes more and more zombies at every opportunity, even when it places him in immediate danger.
>He constantly insists he is "making progress".
>He frequently tries to "hide" his unruly experiments storing them in areas they inevitably escape to attack the innocent and him
>While he tries to mitigate the damage (only once it begins, having virtually no reaction to the risk in advance) he is largely ineffectual.
>Somehow he keeps surviving moving to a new location and restarting his work.
Re-Animator movies are underrated
I'm going mostly Brooks Zombies, but with some modification
Addressing the issue of zombies not falling apart in a week
>Zombies gain a level of self repair from consuming human flesh, which allows their muscles to keep working
>The zombie's altered cellular anatomy allows energy from devoured flesh to be absorbed directly into the zombie's tissue and distributed throughout its body, regardless of whether it has an intact digestive system
>If no living human flesh is available, the zombie's body will start cannibalizing internal organs in a highly efficient process that can keep them functional for several years without additional food
To address slow spreading rates, I'd adjust the infection timeline and allow for asymptomatic spread
> A solid bite will rapidly kill and reanimate a healthy individual over the course of an hour or so
>Weak bites, or bites in less-vascular areas may take up to a few days as the infection builds in the host
>During this incubation period, the host can spread the virus through any manner of fluid transfer (IE sneezing into the air, where the droplets come into contact with another victim, who then begins their own incubation period)
That's all I can think of at the moment. I'll add more later if inspiration strikes.
>Presumably the zombies just need to snack on their victims long enough for the poor sod to die and reanimate, so they wouldn't fully remove the ensuing zombie's mobility
Do you have any idea how much damage five people can do to a body in a minute?
>I imagine most of the deaths would come from bites where the victim escapes to succumb later, given how slow Romero zombies are.
That means that their primary "reproduction" is the tiny margin of "successful attack that didn't involve one of us dying, but also not so successful that we maintained a hold of our target".
Zombies stop feasting upon reanimation.
>In the small town of Pontypool, Ontario, radio announcer Grant Mazzy is accosted by a nonsensical woman who repeats the word "blood" several times before staggering away.
>At the radio station, Grant's shock jock style and on-air persona entertain his technical assistant, Laurel-Ann, while irritating his station manager, Sydney. Helicopter reporter Ken Loney calls in with a report about a riot at the office of Dr. Jon Mendez that has resulted in numerous deaths. After Ken is unexpectedly cut off, the group tries to confirm his report, but their witnesses are disconnected before being put on the airwaves.
>Pontypool Full Feature Film
>Rewrite the Battle of Yonkers so it actually makes sense
I'd reduce the scale of the battle and recontextualize it into the zombie war's version of the Tet Offensive. The plan was simple, get about 3 companies worth of troops along with some engineers and a few artillery pieces, find a decently defensible position, dig in, and use the zombies' propensity to chase sounds to lure them in. Since sound only travels so far you've got a finite number of zombies to deal with. Once you're no longer getting attacked, you head up a couple miles away, dig in, and do it again, keep it up in a grid pattern and slowly build an area relatively zombie free to stage major operations. Of course on the ground shit goes wrong. Number of local zombies is underestimated, meaning that they're thrown into full battle before a defensive perimeter can be fully constructed. While swarms had been encountered before, Yonkers was the first recorded instance of mass herding behavior by the zombies which pit the troops against several orders of magnitude more zombies than anticipated. And because they weren't able to effectively create fortifications, eventually the zombies were able to breach the perimeter and did so on several occasions. However, the fire base was never overrun, aerial bombing and artillery was highly effective against the horde, and when the mission was called off due to logistical issues they were able to evacuate everyone with only a few dozen casualties to thousands of zombies killed. But that was irrelevant, the public didn't see a successful evac of a mission that managed 1000:1 k/d ratio despite things going sideways from the outset, all they saw was some private getting chewed up on camera and a miles long horde of zombies, and freaked. Desertion skyrocketed, cohesion broke down, and everyone started panicking that the government couldn't help them. And that is what let to the large-scale inability to respond militarily during the early days.
I largely agree here, especially in regards to the scale of the military force deployed. Considering that Yonkers was three months into the biggest clusterfuck in human history, I suspect that the author could've done more to emphasize how fucked the logistics were thanks to lack of manpower, clogged highways, and airports being major infection hubs as well.
I'd have liked to see a more competent military, but one operating off of a lot of assumptions. No need to have the tanks loaded with sabot ammunition, have them loaded up fully with canister rounds like anyone with half a brain would, just make it nowhere near enough to deal with what they encounter. This is a great place to introduce the concept of the chain swarm and have it be what causes the operation to fail. Have the command base their operation based on the number of zombies expected to be drawn in by the sound of gunfire, but not consider the knock-on effect of the zombies attracting even further zombies with their moaning. They've planned for thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of zombies, but their operation unintentionally concentrates the entire Eastern Seaboard's worth of zombies onto an ad hoc firebase of three companies worth of dudes. To fuck things up even more, have the operation start eventually drawing zombies in from the rear, which eventually cuts off ground-based supply and forces the soldiers to evacuate via helicopter once their position becomes untenable. It'd be the perfect opportunity to have a Fall of Saigon-style moment with the survivors being evacuated, complete with the soldiers boarding a Chinook from the rooftop of a 7/11 as the now-abandoned perimeter starts crumbling. Morale crumbling by some poor grunt getting audibly eaten over an open channel would replace the Land Warrior business and some sic fuck journo recording the guy's demise would presumably be plastered all over the internet in minutes.
Exactly. Looking at it objectively the mission wasn't a failure; it was unsuccessful due to lack of concrete knowledge about how zombies works but at the same time validated the concept in general. And as the years went on the Battle of Yonkers kept getting getting exaggerated until instead of 300 infantry holding out for a couple of days against a hundred thousand zombies while primarily using small arms and mortars in an ad hoc defensive position it's 30,000 infantry plus a couple of tank battalions, a few dozen helicopters, an artillery brigade, fighter jets, and one or two stealth bombers getting over run by 20 million zombies in fifteen minutes. I'd also work it in to some of the later elements of the book. Why did the US Army bother adopting all the retarded weaponry instead of telling troops semi-auto only? Because a bunch of think-tank suits desperately trying to avoid getting assigned shit shoveling duty kept pushing that it was an equipment issue that caused the loss at Yonkers. What was the main method of reclaiming territory from zombies later on? Sending a bunch of troops to create multiple firebases at the same time in close proximity to diffuse zombie hordes while using long-range artillery and aerial bombing to break up chain swarms.
>No need to have the tanks loaded with sabot ammunition, have them loaded up fully with canister rounds like anyone with half a brain would, just make it nowhere near enough to deal with what they encounter.
This is exactly what happens, IIRC they only had 3 rounds per tank because the just got back from the middle east and don't have the logistics to fill every tank with ammo that's rarely used on short notice.
That's a pretty good Yonkers rewrite concept, the one I had in mind was it being fought by all the soldiers responding initially to the New York outbreak spiraling out of control, so they're light troops equipped to set up quarantine zones and checkpoints - at most, elements of a Stryker BCT without heavy equipment since that takes time to deploy and logistics are turning into an utter nightmare with smaller outbreaks springing up like wildfire. When it becomes obvious the city is turning into an absolute deathtrap with the number of zombies exponentially increasing by the day the Army pulls out to set up an ad hoc defensive line at Yonkers that they soon have to abandon under air cover since they're not prepared to fight more or less the entire newly undead population of Manhattan.
>In a secret military laboratory operating under the guise of a pesticide manufacturer, there is an outbreak of a virulent bacteria. During routine work, a sealed tube is broken, releasing the secret biological weapon.
>When two bumbling employees at a medical supply warehouse accidentally release a deadly gas into the air, the vapors cause the dead to rise again as zombies.
>[Frank shows Freddy a military drum with a dead zombie inside]
>Freddy : Oh god. Hey, these things don't leak, do they?
>Frank : Leak? Hell no. These things were made by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
this movie has a number of sequels but I'd only recommend first two ones
This was the first horror movie my dad let me watch with him. Fuck it brings back good memories every time I see it.
This scenario is literally unwinnable. At best you may retreat to an island or far mountain valley but it's plausible the zombies could get you anyway.
The only thing about that series that's bullshit is the chemical stays active in the zombies so you can't dispose of them but the zombie infection acts like a virus so you can't halt the spread in anyway. Lime seriously fire just causes the chemical to disperse into the atmosphere then spread as rain, its literally apocalyptic after the first outbreak
>its literally apocalyptic after the first outbreak
while the details are not given anywhere as far as I know, the first movie mentions the army did get the original outbreak under control without using nukes
Which would be a more entertaining "oh, EVERYONE is fucked" apocalypse scenario to die horribly in, PrepHole? RotLD everything-zombies or Evil Dead everything-zombies?
Either way it's probably going to be pretty funny. Not from your perspective, but funny.
>After a strange and insecure plane crash, an unusual toxic virus enters a quaint farming town.
I'm tired of evil-rural schlock. Lets have 50 years of degenerate cityoids being the bad guys.
I think in the movie the goverment are the villians...
Not exactly the loadout chart, but it's what I hope to look like.
>When they send Zelensky to the front line kit
>When they send Putin to the front line
>Just Biden and Putin trial by combat
>Project Zomboid is an open-world isometric video game in development by British and Canadian independent developer The Indie Stone. The game is set in the post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested exclusion zone of the fictional Knox County, Kentucky
>The lore of Project Zomboid and the Knox Event is given through radio broadcasts and TV channels. After about July 18, most of these channels go off air. The cause and origin of the Knox Infection are unknown. However, it is theorized by several characters on KnoxTalk, a radio station in the game, that it could be a prion disease, an act of God, or bio-terrorism.
>Foul smell in the air first noticed
July 9, 1993 (Day 0)
>Game begins, three days after the Knox Evacuation.
>First official statement given during a press conference by General John McGrew (11AM on the 9th July 1993)
July 11, 1993 (Day 2)
>ground all non-military or -medical internal and international flights (after 6pm EST)
July 12, 1993 (Day 3)
>President announces 6pm curfews in New York, Miami and L.A.
>Pictures from West Point, KY leaked from inside the Exclusion Zone: Image of a man looking to be aged thirty with blood around his mouth, bloodstained clothes, one arm raised, with the other hanging on by a thread/unattached, unconcerned by his injury and walking in a street full of corpses.
July 13, 1993 (Day 4)
>Infection confirmed to spread through fluid exchange.
>Declaration of martial law within the continental US.
July 15, 1993 (Day 6)
>People beyond the Exclusion Zone begin showing symptoms of infection without fluid contact.
July 17, 1993 (Day 8)
>The Knox Event infection confirmed in: Louisville, and the surrounding area; Cincinnati, and Columbus, Norfolk, London, Newcastle, Mogadishu, Seoul, Okinawa.
July 18, 1993 (Day 9)
>Knox Event infection confirmed in: New Orleans, Los Angeles, Berlin, Tokyo.
it's funny you say this because I distinctly recall playing the project zomboid demo back in like 2012
then I heard it was canceled and then it wasn't and then I put 400 hours into it over 2 years
Zomboid is PrepHole as fuck with mods and pretty PrepHole without. Shame about the UI though, you spend more time fighting it than the zombies.
>then I heard it was canceled
Wasn't cancelled, dev team had three dev laptops stolen when they were moving premises and they lost a month of progress and then a few months to a hiatus. It is still being developed and that Overwhemingly Positive is well earned if you sprinkle some vehicle, gun and QoL mods on top of it, then customize it in-game to whatever you want.
they are currently looking to to add animal npc's as a first step to getting human npc's
also reworking crafting and several other skills like fishing to be more interactive
I love the fun gun mods and a mounted bayonet on a rifle just makes you insanely OP. I'm glad Brita's guns and Arsenal exist. Speaking of, I'm hyped for NMRIH 2 and its character customization because my ass wants to run around as a 2011 Burt Gummer.
The only problem with the game, which is mostly just a personal gripe, is that there is no real end game once you progress far enough.
If you get yourself a base, 2 weeks of food, and mostly end game weapons, you can feel like you have "won" already. This can make repeated playthroughs boring once you reach that point, with the main thing left to do just being to suicide yourself into a horde.
I know this is a conscious decision by the developers, with the beginning of the game even stating: "This is How you Died," but that doesn't make it any less boring.
I like to give myself personal challenges to keep things fresh, usually this is traveling across the map trying to find other people. I might also keep heli events on forever
Yeah, I also did that when I was more active in playing it. Project Zomboid is a make your own adventure game after all, so you have to make your own fun. But there's only so many times you can go across a map, or fight off a horde of zombies, or burn down all of Louisville before it becomes repetitive.
It's obviously part of the game, and when I first started playing it, that openness was amazing. It just got slightly stale after around 200 hours
(As an aside, L4D is still one of the best, if not the best coop horde rush type games, which is surprising for how old it is)
they said that there isnt a true endgame to zomboid because its meant to reflect dawn of the dead, in that once youve conquered the zombie hordes the only thing left is the sheer monotony of day to day survival
At 200 hours consider your cost to engagement ratio.
The game is absolutely great, and it was worth the 7 dollars I spent on it ten times over. I'm just saying at the current time, the gameplay has gotten stale
You are completely correct, I just feel that the mods in L4D2 offer more than in Zomboid, at least in terms of repat enjoyment. Once the new update comes out, I'm sure that'll revitalize Zomvoid some more for me, but for now I'll be doing other things (it also doesn't help that the friends that used to play PZ also quit, and the multi-player servers are jank at best)
None of these big zombie survival games have an end-game tho, because the end-game of zombie survival would either be that you all die, which is the default failed state and not really a proper ending, or that you repopulate your area and that's practically impossible since it would require some sort of The Simsesque management when most of these games are action games and people who play that don't wanna play The Sims, on top of being difficult to implement. I am however curious what modders will come up with after official NPC support shows up in Zomboid, I want to see NPC communities in-game.
It's bizarre how nobody managed to replicate how the game played and felt (including Valve).
Pretty sure you could easily some kind of DF style NPC management to something like PZ.
Try State of Decay 1 and 2?
>It just got slightly stale
Mods. I still play L4D2 purely because I can play as Kancolle boatsluts, shoot Stalker-ripped guns at Shrek characters and turn the game into a neon paint factory explosion while Scatman plays during horde moments.
Now the true answer is that you play a bunch of these games and cycle them (and their mods) once you get bored. The end-game is that you change the game.
It's the same deal with things like city builder games. Once you figure out optimal strats it's time start making challenges for yourself.
Cataclysm Bright Nights is better
The airborne (or radiation) infection that turns most people without any contact is what allows for the most peak zombies because there's literally no defense for the vast majority of people. They don't need to be bitten by a zombie and barricades and guns won't help.
I did like the cosmic radiation of Fido where there was no infection, everyone and everything just reanimates. "Everyone is already infected"
If "contact with zombie" is not the primary threat, then it's not a Zombie movie it's just a poison/virus movie and there's some pointless zombies wandering around.
The airborne virus turns 95% of people. The remaining 5% are the ones being hunted and dying of direct contact infection. It is a way to supercharge the initial infection and explain why a local outbreak couldn't simply be contained.
>The airborne virus turns 95% of people. The remaining 5% are the ones being hunted and dying of direct contact infection. It is a way to supercharge the initial infection and explain why a local outbreak couldn't simply be contained.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about, lazy bullshit.
That's not a zombie apocalypse, that's a Virus apocalypse that makes zombies as a funny little joke on the side.
Can’t believe this wasn’t mentioned earlier. Great movie
Return of the Living dead, in spite of being a horror comedy, is probably the scariest zombie setting.
>only way to dispose of zombies is complete destruction of the body by either fire or other means of disintegration
>this will always cause the Trioxin to enter the atmosphere and create more zombies so it doesn’t even fucking matter
>literally anything dead gets bright back, doesn’t matter if it’s human or not
>zombies are just as intelligent as humans, able to plan, set traps and ambush
>zombies are in constant agony, can feel their injuries and decay so they’re fucking screaming constantly
>if you’re in the middle of an outbreak the best thing to do would be to have a nice day in an incinerator if available or somehow burn yourself otherwise
>they don’t seem to follow any sort of logic, you dice one up and every piece comes after you, skeleton zombies and headless corpses will try to eat your brain even though they don’t have the means to actually do so
It’s a fucking terrifying situation, it’s shocking that in 5 movies nothing went beyond localized incidents. 4 and 5 nerfed the zombies to the point that body shots kill them though.
I imagine after the first movie they literally just nuked the place repeatedly until there were no more bodies within range.
This is by far the best chinese cartoon book in existence. No retarded fanservice, no superhero tier highscooler MC, no sinophile foreigner characters, realistic weapons, nice zombies etc.
You just have to ignore the last quarter, or if you are picky, last third of the story. Writers father died and from there the writing quality kinda went downhill from depression.
Better zombies: Traits are a mix of OG Dying Light, Pic rel and to a little extent, Army of the dead and Resident Evil.
>The zombies are the result of a bioweapon attack that uses either mechanical or biological nanobots, the latter of which already exists in a very primitive form.
>The zombies start out as kind of fast runners than can degrade into shamblers or if food and water are abundant, evolve into special infected.
>The freshly turned mimic deep seated habits along with speech and have active muscle memory.
>Walkers and Runners are still alive, Shamblers are solely kept going by the nanobots working overtime.
>Initially monkey strenght and okay fine motor skills, overexertion during active mode causes damage buildup.
>Intact nanobot infected zombies have hard set life expectancy as intended.
>Corrupted or mutated nanobots result in longer lasting zombies and mutations.
In short, science zombies that kind of fit into the suspense of disbelief category. If you know the listed media above you will get the picture.
So THATS why the ending went to shit. It was a shame, but the first half is honestly quite good at showing what would happen in a (mostly) no-guns place like Japan.
Cold-blooded shamblers and unmoving ambushers could retain energy for longer than the 2-week living zombie expiration date. Also by shambling or waiting energy could be retained to be a sprinter if prey is detected.
Also make up some bullshit about mummification and being able to regenerate water from dew or rain. Maybe even some radioactive mushroom ATP synthesis that allows for an inactive zombie to regain energy to continue for months or years. The mushroom would also provide a defense against decay and insects.
Is it un-American to prefer heavy machinery over firearms when working with zombies?
why not both?
the killdozer would be an ideal zombie slaying machine
>failed to kill anybody despite his best efforts
lmao no, a guy even managed to climb on it and drop a fucking flashbang into an exhaust port, and he was trapped inside anyways just put some fucking plywood on a regular bulldozer, or some spikes or something
He wasnt trying to kill anybody retard
Imagine driving this bro into thousands of z heads.
>box formation with single shot rifles and incendiary rounds, "burn their brains out" on a headshot.
Trying to picture this and no way, ofc this is fiction
Army of the Dead was a great movie and breathed life back into zombie culture. Don’t care what haters say, this movie kicked ass in all the right ways.
My buddy was an armorer on that shoot. I think he did pretty good.
anyone else read the '68 series?
it was about zombies during the vietnam war, both in vietnam and the united states.
the jungle jim oneshots were pretty kino, a lone man trekking through the jungles near laos killing the undead and vc.
>zombies used as suicide bombers
I read it and found it a very entertaining comic, having zombies in Vietnam was very refreshing when 90% of zombie literature takes place in the modern day
I read a few issues, know where I could find the rest of em?
>Rewrite the Battle of Yonkers so it actually makes sense
Just re-read it and don't see the big deal. Here's a quick summary:
>uncle sam sets up a defensive line to show the media our big shiny guns will save the day
>soldiers ordered to wear mopp gear and dig fighting holes in the hot sun by boomer officers, reducing their effectiveness
>most of the killing is expected to be done by artillery, rockets, mortars, and vehicles, which are not as powerful against zeds as expected
>infantry carries standard combat loads, enough to kill a few Z's that slip through
>when heavy weapons aren't enough to kill the chain swarm the backup plan (infantry) becomes the primary defensive line
>ammo is running low, a few Z's eat a dude live on the net system, then a bombing run fails to stop the horde
>total panic and defensive line collapses
Zombies are magically nigh-immune to explosives but not firearms.
its a fantasy zombie book where corpses rise from the dead, live forever without oxygen or food, and violate every law of physics. According to the author zombies have congealed blood or some altered physiology that makes them resistant to primary blast injuries. If that's somehow too much for your suspension of disbelief despite all the other "its just magic" going on you definitely have autism. Besides, they still get killed by fragments from the explosives and getting ripped apart, but the odds of scoring a near-direct hit or a fragment striking the head are not enough to kill the whole swarm. So the army has weapons that don't work as well as they thought, fighting against more zombies than they expected would arrive. Seems like perfect in-universe reasoning to get BTFO.
If bullets work, artillery shrapnel will effortlessly rip through dozens of feet of flesh and bone before measurably slowing down. You don't need to kill, a hit by an average size piece of shrapnel will completely incapacitate a zombie.
artillery FRAGMENTS do work, but not every artillery fragment is going to kill a zombie. Even severing off the torso only results in a crawling zombie that's more dangerous. I know you didn't reread but at one point a zombie's flaming severed upper chest gets launched by a bomb onto the interviewee but still is biting at him. They killed thousands of thousands of Z's, but they just ran out of ammo. I don't know how "running out of ammo" is somehow less realistic than zombies rising from the dead an living forever without food. Its a fantasy book.
reread it again and work on your reading comprehension. It was a meat grinder until they ran out of ammo for the heavy weapons, and they would've been able to mop the floor if they had enough. It was more of a "political corruption and shitty boomer leadership is bad" story than something about realism and tactics.
>Even severing off the torso only results in a crawling zombie that's more dangerous
How is a crawling zombie 'more dangerous' in the situation they're in where it's supposed to be a shooting gallery? Yes, in certain circumstances where they might be able to conceal themselves in foliage but they're now dragging themselves across open ground towards a (nominally) prepared defensive line while being less mobile and having less reach.
>It was a meat grinder until they ran out of ammo for the heavy weapons, and they would've been able to mop the floor if they had enough.
They only ever engage the head of the horde, thousands to tens of thousands out of millions of zombies. There's no effort at all to bombard the thickest concentrations further back, they just waste their inexplicably pathetic amount of ammo on
>thirty, maybe forty or fifty, zombies spread out all across this half mile stretch of freeway
>"political corruption and shitty boomer leadership is bad" story than something about realism and tactics.
There's better ways to write this, and I do enjoy a lot of the other chapters, it's not like Brooks is a bad writer, but Yonkers is definitely him trying to write something he doesn't know much about. Only way it works is if it's a serious case of unreliable narrator where what actually happened is extremely embellished and exaggerated, because as presented it's not a case of leadership failing in a believable way, but because of plot fiat.
>Even severing off the torso only results in a crawling zombie that's more dangerous
seems like you figured this out yourself
>There's no effort at all to bombard the thickest concentrations further back
They are literally firing heavy weapons until they run out of ammo. There's also mention of jets but its unknown exactly what was going on. They were certainly bombing the horde.
>but Yonkers is definitely him trying to write something he doesn't know much about
Yeah he should've gotten together with some vets or something. It's like he googled "military equipment" then just put everything in.
>Only way it works is if it's a serious case of unreliable narrator where what actually happened is extremely embellished and exaggerated, because as presented it's not a case of leadership failing in a believable way, but because of plot fiat.
I mean the narrator is a dude on the ground who only saw a slice of what was going on from his own prospective, and the fiasco of the land warrior system. He's also telling a very emotional story (in which his friends probably died) 10 years later. Once a vet told me with a straight face that he shot a an Iraqi 10 times in the chest with his m16 but he didn't go down until he shot him once with his 9mm. He wants to tell the story of how some set-in-their-ways generals got a bunch of good men killed for nothing.
bro the zombies have to win somehow it would be a pretty anticlimactic if they killed them all then everything slowly went back to normal. I still don't think it breaks any of its in-universe zombie rules though.
>bro the zombies have to win somehow
If your monster can't be dangerous without everyone being retarded, have a better monster.
Having a set piece battle designed to be a media smackdown first and foremost turn into a clusterfuck is pretty inline with military leadership. Look at the middle east for plenty of recent bad decision making; from the moment we got there, like disbanding the Iraqi army, to the final "its raining men" moments of the afghan pullout. If that was in this book you'd be saying "they'd never be dumb enough to do that why didn't they just bring more planes or seal off the runway instead of using the marines to protect the McDonalds?" or some shit like that. Now imagine the dude in charge of that fiasco is in charge of setting up a battle against zombies in Yonkers, and you have this chapter.
The US is a lot of things, but it has never made a battle a spectacle first and a battle second. We're seeing that right now as a matter of fact.
Max Brooks's bullshit only makes sense to teenagers
>mobility killing zombies is useless, only headshots matter!
a crippled zombie can be finished off later
>thousands of zombies were killed at Yonkers but subsequent waves overwhelmed the military!
yes, and their bodies magically disappeared so the subsequent waves climbed over them with ease
except after Brooks's stupid military reforms, then the bodies of dead zombies suddenly DO become hindrances to the zombies so his retarded semiauto wank suddenly became effective, and they literally pile up mountains of zombies
>The US is a lot of things, but it has never made a battle a spectacle first and a battle second. We're seeing that right now as a matter of fact.
what does this sentence refer to or even mean lol
is your IQ under 100?
I feel like I'm replying to a bot or an ESLmoron. Explain yourself. What are we seeing right now as a matter of fact? what does that sentence mean? We don't have a lot of battles on US soil but I would bet lots of media if there was one. Are you autistic?
>What are we seeing right now as a matter of fact?
Excellent OPSEC regarding the Ukraine war.
>what does that sentence mean?
If you don't understand it, go back to school.
>I would bet
>retard is a nafomoron
big surprise. clearly you forgot about the recent leaks. great opsec indeed.
>leaks by one 21yo kid = holding a media bonanza on the frontline
Your parents must be very proud of you.
Autistic people are really bad with scale.
A crippled zombie would just meatgrind itself as it moved.
This autist is really comparing the mismanagement of the middle east in long term goals to expecting twenty miles of zombies that you did not shoot or bomb to die because you bombed the zombies in front of them.
You people really cant understand scale, just binary. The Military is sometimes incompetent right? That, for you, buys enough leeway to justify literally anything because, hey! They're incompetent! What's scale? What's intensity? We've established they're incompetent so if the author has the military collectively swallow gravel until death, that's totally realistic! After all there aren't levels of incompetence, if you've ever made any mistake, you might reasonably make any CONCEIVABLE mistake no matter how absurd!
I’d argue that not having ANY form of recon is not a conceivable mistake for any nation more advanced than Sudan
Well, I've accidentally run a red light before. This means it makes total sense for me to get in my car tomorrow and run every red I come across because I inexplicably forgot what red lights are.
>They are literally firing heavy weapons until they run out of ammo. There's also mention of jets but its unknown exactly what was going on. They were certainly bombing the horde.
Yes, they bomb the very tip of the miles-long, millions-strong horde and act surprised when there's millions more zombies than the several thousand they brought ammo for, when they've been preparing for months and have satellite intel of just how many they're facing down. Again, this could be unreliable narrator speaking but there's nothing to suggest they do anything about the rest of the gigantic horde, they just drop a few bombs on the very tip and call it a day. Maybe they don't bomb the horde BEFORE the battle because they're worried about wrecking Manhattan in the process, but there's no reason they should've have been going full Arc Light on it afterwards.
>bro the zombies have to win somehow it would be a pretty anticlimactic if they killed them all then everything slowly went back to normal. I still don't think it breaks any of its in-universe zombie rules though.
And there's a lot better ways to write that than 'zombies charge a prepared defensive line through a choke point and win because... they just do, OK?'
Except in Desert Storm the US made absolutely sure to overprepare and overestimate the threat they were going up against, not to just throw in all their fancy new toys with absolutely no forethought. Believable bad decision making would be like sending the military into the city itself to try and set up quarantine zones and evacuation centers that quickly descend into anarchic hellholes because they don't properly plan the panic is going to be or how quickly the infection is spreading, not writing yourself into a situation where the only explanation for zombies winning is that everyone in charge completely forgets the most basic tactics that they spent the better part of the Cold War learning.
At the point in the story where Yonkers takes place, it's been three months since the start of the Great Panic and the battle itself is supposed to be a quick propaganda victory after a journalist leaked that the vaccine for the zombie virus was a placebo. The planning behind it was presumably rushed, based on untrue assumptions, and didn't take the sheer number of the zombies into account.
It would've been a good opportunity to turn it into the military equivalent of the "This is fine" house-on-fire meme with the planners assuming their logistics would function at full capacity and that the already stressed soldiers' morale would hold. He could've mentioned the breakdown of the necessary supply and manpower chain needed to operate continuous bombing operations and gone into the logistical challenges of trying to move shit around the country in the middle of the actual apocalypse.
We will continue to pound the railroad spike of "Yonkers is retarded beyond the realm of possibility and anyone who doesnt think so is a retarded gay" into the skulls of Brooksfags for another TEN YEARS IF WE HAVE TO.
>still saying this after Afghanistan
Your triple get has more folds than your fucking brain.
Yonkers displayed more than "realistic SNAFU" levels of retardation by such a large degree that it reads as an absurdist cartoon, and anyone who isn't a retard can see that right away.
Yes, Afghanistan is a realistic fuckup. Yonkers is on the scale of every American soldier in Kabul collectively deciding to let the Taliban walk right up to them and stab them in the face because hurr durr people make mistakes.
And I will be around to tell you autists that its nothing unrealistic and the narrative leaves out a lot of details. See you in 2030 gay. Maybe after the US military loses abroad some more you'll agree they wouldn't steamroll millions of zombies.
You autists need to understand that this narrative does not contain every single detail, except that the military lost this particular battle. Just because it doesn't say they bombed the whole horde doesn't mean they didn't.
I like it out of nostalgia but yeah its Hollywood garden gnome crap through-and-through. Reminds me of being 16 and having that brief stage where you're old enough to have a car and do whatever you want but have no real responsibilities or adult pessimism.
>You autists need to understand that this narrative does not contain every single detail, except that the military lost this particular battle. Just because it doesn't say they bombed the whole horde doesn't mean they didn't.
Ah so you agree that the story told to us by the veteran is so retarded the only explanation for his version of events is severe brain damage?
>Again, this could be unreliable narrator speaking
it is literally an angry chain-smoking vet ranting 10 years later about the assholes who got his comrades killed and by his own admission doesn't even remember the events after having a bomb dropped on his sorry ass. The US government making bad decisions leading up to a total clusterfuck on live TV is probably the most believable aspect of this entire book.
>He could've mentioned the breakdown of the necessary supply and manpower chain needed to operate continuous bombing operations and gone into the logistical challenges of trying to move shit around the country in the middle of the actual apocalypse.
this is mentioned satan
If I remember right, it gets a brief mention, but it could've honestly been its own companion chapter to the actual battle interview. It's been years since I've read the book, so I could be totally wrong there.
Yeah most of the details about the actual operation are not mentioned, like if they were bombing the horde or even how long they're fighting for. It doesn't go into extreme detail and autists assume this means it didn't happen. I can't believe I've been arguing about this specific battle in a made up book for 10 years, now THATs unrealistically bad decision-making.
>I can't believe I've been arguing about this specific battle in a made up book for 10 years, now THATs unrealistically bad decision-making.
Heh. Once a year or so I remember it and think "that was so fucking stupid" then google "battle of yonkers stupid" and participate in whatever discussion I find.
>it is literally an angry chain-smoking vet ranting 10 years later about the assholes who got his comrades killed and by his own admission doesn't even remember the events after having a bomb dropped on his sorry ass.
Yes, it's been said that Yonkers only makes sense as an entirely different event that gets exaggerated into something that's almost unrecognizable from what actually happened.
>The US government making bad decisions
And again, what actually happens is very far beyond just 'bad decision making' and crosses into 'bad writing'. Just off the top of my head and from what others posted earlier ITT here's a situation that can still be a complete clusterfuck.
>'Alpha Teams' are sent in to control the initial outbreak, but quickly find out it's growing much faster than they can deal with (briefly mentioned in the book and can be a good parallel to the GWOT-era cult of special forces being expected to do everything)
>military goes in force to evacuate civilians
>mass chaos and confusion leads to them firing into crowds in a blind panic as zombies set upon crowds of panicking refugees while infected manage to slip past and wreak havoc as they turn behind the lines
>military is eventually forced to retreat as the infection spirals out of control while other, smaller outbreaks nationwide are starting to hit critical mass and the supply chain has gone to hell
>widespread video footage of them shooting civilians then abandoning them to their fate mixed in with the odd checkpoint getting overrun destroys their public image and gets the nationwide panic really going
>There's better ways to write this, and I do enjoy a lot of the other chapters, it's not like Brooks is a bad writer, but Yonkers is definitely him trying to write something he doesn't know much about
The few realistic military elements to his story is that a lot of the world decided that the zombie outbreak was a good time to start settling old scores. If you ask me that would have been a better way to destroy humanity - have most of the damage actually be inflicted by every single nascent conflict going off at once, triggered by the zombie virus, and the zombies mainly doing mop-up.
It solves the problem of
>just run them over with tanks lmao
Can't do that when the tanks are already blown up and fuel is scarce because just about every single rig has been ICBMed.
>political corruption and shitty boomer leadership is bad
Yeah they could have had them go into battle naked and blindfolded and your explanation would be exactly as valid.
The author, and the fans, ram their heads up their own assholes in infinite arrogance about how "grounded" and "realistic" they are and then every single thing about how the setting works comes down to fairy dust.
>but the odds of scoring a near-direct hit or a fragment striking the head
Having your muscles and bones shredded makes you somewhat less effective as an unarmed berserker.
>In the books, crippling a zombie (really any injury that isn't a headshot) makes them even more of a pain in the ass because they can hide in tall grass and shit and act like a biological land mine.
Ah yes, reducing a zombie's speed by more than half and it's ability to generate leverage and grip dramatically is useless because, like, what if you absolutely have to fight them in a wheat field?
> not every artillery fragment is going to kill a zombie.
Luckily a single artillery fragment doesn't have to, because they'd be hit by hundreds or thousands. Not that "something something their blood is gelatin" is a good explanation for resisting overpressure that would smash every bone in their body.
> Even severing off the torso only results in a crawling zombie that's more dangerous.
Slower means more time to respond. More time to respond means more bullets and more explosives.
>I don't know how "running out of ammo" is somehow less realistic
Because it's not part of the supernatural premise you retard.
If the premise was "what if zombies AND everyone in the military develops a massive brain tumor that prevents them from planning as well as a five year old" or "What if zombies AND 99% of the bullets on earth disappear" Then we'd just accept it as the premise, but that's not the fucking premise.
You're like that fat gay on game of thrones who complains that fans noticed his character not losing weight for five years on a literal starvation diet and forced hard labor. "Wut u beleef in DRAGINS but I cant be fat?"
>The author, and the fans, ram their heads up their own assholes in infinite arrogance about how "grounded" and "realistic" they are
yOu nEeD To mAkE HeAdShOtS LiKe a mEtRoNoMe
holy fuck it was retarded
It hurts me to think he was a no shit speaker at Westpoint.
Anon, I'm thinking World War Z may just not be your cup of tea. Maybe try Day By Day Armageddon instead.
>Ah yes, reducing a zombie's speed by more than half and it's ability to generate leverage and grip dramatically is useless because, like, what if you absolutely have to fight them in a wheat field?
Out of all the things in the book, that one kind of makes sense to me.
First, making it harder to get clean headshots is really dangerous when there are swarms of them and people are relying on the ammo they can carry to kill everything. Secondly, zombies are like used needles. They lurk in areas that were previously thought clean, and infect when you're least expecting it.
The really dumb part is that they're selectively immune, I just reread that part and he has exploding cars making a significant dent in the horde until there aren't any left, then artillery starts being magically useless. Also
>muh dumb cold warrior generals
who never actually bombard the rest of the horde when late Cold War doctrine was all about disrupting follow-on forces before they even reach the fromt.
>irl suicide bombers have difficulty achieving mass casualties in crowds due to absorbing blast/frag
This is from normal humans, never mind the ballistic gel tier guided missiles that are WWZ zombies.
Makes me think none of you actually came to these threads when they existed. Just a bunch of zoomers and tourists.
Thin Red Line was my favorite Crossed story alongside the San Diego arc.
i could never get over what the crossed "zombies" did, it seemed so tryhard and teenage-edgy. literally slapping someone wth a horsecock, wtf
i know it's ALL fiction but i can only suspend my belief so much. crossed just seemed obnoxious as fuck
It is the trashiest sub genre I can imagine, filled with blowhards, noguns and various miserable make believe bullshit. I think Ennis took it to the absurd and surreal, all the way to the limit. What I think pisses you off is you enjoy the genre, but you hate realizing you enjoy trash. Accept it, like noble raccoon.
Welcome to Ennis. He has some good ideas, but god forgive it if someone lets him to go off without restraint. While Crossed is him at his worst, even stuff like The Boys clearly has moments when he just can’t help himself and stuff becomes obnoxiously edgy and/or dumb. Not even that it’s disgusting or anything, but because stuff like literally retarded Vice President or ass hamsters does exactly the same breaking of suspension of disbelif as you describe happening with Crossed.
>Welcome to Ennis. He
is a twat.
That's just Garth Ennis being as petty and vindictive as he can get, he wrote the whole thing to take the piss out of the zombie survival genre the same way he wrote The Boys to take down capeshit. That being said his actual output is some of the more (relatively) tame and restrained entries, most of Crossed is written by other writers and they go full into the edgy gore-porn trash that it's usually remembered as.
You guys ever notice that the Crossed adopt the mannerisms of UK/Irish natives?
I know it's just Ennis being unbelievably shitty at writing dialogue, but it always took me out of the story, I can't not hear the crossed speaking in retarded UK speak. They swear like Anglos, they use Anglo Slurs, they sing Anglo songs, they do "England themed" meme kills, like the "biscuit game" jerking off on their bullets to infect people, it's really surreal.
>UK/Irish writer writes UK/Irish characters
Most of crossed takes place in America you retard.
Plus Ennis has lived in America for decades.
>the most edgy comic to exist
>thinks it's good
I've never liked comics in general but Crossed is the one guilty pleasure that i like coming back to and reading through every few years.
It's because its fucking cringe and horsecock was a forced /b/ meme.
ennis is a gay and crossed is gay
>no mention of house of the dead
I fucking love that series, not really sure if they can count as zombies. Since they aren’t infected humans or animals, they’re mass produced clones created from templates. I believe the series director said he prefers to call them creatures instead for this reason.
Theres this decently popular ero vn game where the zombies become more intelligent with eating more human parts. It started off with the mc having bullshit immunity but the intelligent zombies actually being a threat to him was quite entertaining. I really liked media especially in zombie media where everyone feels temporarily safe but then shit just gets worse.
I lived in Fayetteville, right outside of Bragg when the infection began, still do actually. No zombies ever got close after the first infected turned up in town, but life changed for us regardless. Some things are worse than zeds, though. Maybe it would’ve been better to have my ticket punched when it all started rather than live like this.
Zombie apocalypse media is a politer, more socially-acceptable form of a mass murderer fantasy. It's a thinly-veiled excuse to shoot up everyone around you.
Nah I just want the satisfaction of knowing cityoids are being devoured by a threat that is trivially avoided by real humans.
>after the "summer of love"
Bitch it was fucking REALITY for multiple places.
I don't get what the Swinging Sixties has to do with it, sorry.
Ironically the sixties were the decade that permanently crippled our culture, the point of no return, from which only a long degeneration and collapse could follow.
>bunch of brain dead leftists
Oh you'll find out in 70 years.
The only way Battle of Yonkers makes sense is if the person telling the story has PTSD and is just ranting, but if you read it that way it's kinda plausible as an in-universe rant than as an actual description of what happened.
The only realistic thing was the absolute failure of the M16/M4 platform.
Max brooks unironically advocated for the AK47 over the M16, he knows jack shit about guns and remembered hearing something about Vietnam. Plus, 7.62x39 isn't as common as 5.56, and replacement parts would be easier to find in the good ole US of A
Max Brooks was also writing in the early-mid 2000s when ARs were expensive gucci guns only owned by gear queers.
Idk if you’re old enough to remember, but ARs haven’t always been $250 PSA specials.
Import AKs used to be 1/4 the price of ARs at any gunshow and cheap Russian surplus ammo was like 8-9cpr.
Actually he advocated the M14, because he thought full auto was a waste
Apparently he didn’t know that the AKs being imported were semi auto, huh? Fucker did zero research on guns beyond talking to some range fudds.
There's a reason there's an M1 Carbine on the cover.
Be sure to put in an escape hatch. The original didn't have one.
I love how the point of view character for the Yonkers chapter bitches and moaned about the MOPP suits when that is the only not retarded thing the military did in that chapter
This is a really good read outside a few spelling mistakes.
>no direct mention of Norfolk falling
welcome to the Fen, infected motherfuckers.
Burger who posted that link. What's the significance of Norfolk and what's the fen?
I live in Norfolk and the Fen is just a large swathe of land here and in parts of cambridgeshire that is a swampland (without cool trees, gators, rape rednecks) essentially
Jesus how fucking horrifying.
>get chased by runners, trip, and die
>breathe in a tiny bit of blood running from them in the swamp
None of this sounds appealing.
reminder that 90% of you could not source potable water after 2 hours in the forest. don't shoot the messenger, just learn
>get American 180
>remove stock, convert to semi-automatic
>mount to drone
>ML algorithms run through the footage, identify zombies and use aimbot to headshot them
>droneswarm can automatically identify infested areas and clear them, requiring nothing but electricity and .22lr to keep going
Opinions wanted: Is a zombie still a zombie if something sapient is remote-controlling the parasitized body and directing it to attack people?
Yes, that's the classic voodoo or necromancer zombie.
>What was your zombie plan?
hide in woods waiting for winter, during winter clear out the whole city by hammering frozen solid zombie heads
I think the most comfy part of the Zombie Survival Guide is the section about surviving a collapse of human civilization. There's something about the idea of picking a completely uninhabited, isolated area and starting from scratch that's very cozy.
Did you guys ever come up with plans for how to survive a level 4 outbreak?
Not either of the anons. But it is zombie related for guns.
Kitted out with the anti-B.O.W gats
>Muh fake guns
Zombies are also fake, therefor the best guns to deal with them are fake ones. Everyone flexing real firearms doesn't even know how dead they already are