>buy pic related
>load 350 legend with Underwood xtreme penetrators
>receive 7rds of "frick your IIIA" in a revolver
If you haven't yet, make sure to pause for a moment to thank Smith & Wesson for taking the first steps towards a brighter future.
>buy pic related
>load 350 legend with Underwood xtreme penetrators
>receive 7rds of "frick your IIIA" in a revolver
If you haven't yet, make sure to pause for a moment to thank Smith & Wesson for taking the first steps towards a brighter future.
Does it take AR magazines
>bolt action .. does it take mags
yes it does actually
Hillary hole.
It has a snuke?
what is this supposed to show?
Smith & Wesson tries to make a safety locking mechanism built into their revolvers. It locks the action in place and prevents the gun from being fired. Tends to be maligned in the firearm world as a gimmick to appease anti-gun politicians from back during the Clinton administration.
yes so the lock is working correctly. again, what is the webm supposed to show? that the lock works and is otherwise unobtrusive? yes everyone knows that.
It doesnt though you fricking imbecile its another thing that can go wrong in magnum fricking revolvers that are getting jarred around they can and have locked up revolvers completely you fricking stupid piece of shit it was in fact literally put on their cuckvovlers just for the 94 awb and even after sunsetting the fricking loser boomers refuse to do away with it, shit even ruger changed their fudd bootlicker ways for a while but these fricks still cow to a boot that isn't even there anymore and they make their guns worse for no reason frick you dipshit.
once again let me ask you what is the video supposed to prove?
your overemotional noguns chimp rant doesnt prove the made up scenario in your damaged brain has happened even one time. dont divert again: WHAT DOES THAT VIDEO PROVE?
honest question, has there been a recorded incident of the lock seizing a weapon it's on? like gimme a source I'm legitimately curious, because all I've ever seen for years was people parroting "it CAN frick up a revolver" but never "it HAS" or "it DOES"
I have heard apocryphally that Jerry Mculek (or however it's spelled) had one lock up on him back in the like 90s or whatever, but I've yet to actually KNOW anyone who has had it happened to them, nor have I had it happen to me. I have read some claims that it primarily happens to the very small frame magnum j-frames with hot loads, but I've yet to actually see it demonstrably happen. So to me it goes in the same box as the 1911 "grip safety just jammed up and won't work!" tier where I guess it can happen but it's rare enough to not be a significant concern to me.
There are documented failures.
There are less than 3 documented failures.
Sure, and probably every car has at least one documented failure with things like airbag deployment, or sudden break line failure, over thousands of thousands of cars.
The question is does it happen enough to matter to the type of people who want a .350L revolver (which is probably a very niche group of hunters to begin with). Most anons complaining about the Hillary Hole are probably not even in the market for a $1600 revolver, nor are they intended audience in all likelihood. I'm not sure who it is for, probably revolver hunters in the straightwall states who already own .350L rifles and want a companion piece. For a lot of them i doubt the .350L revolver having a hillary hole is a deal breaker since they are already taking the conceit of mag limits and caliber size limits (if you have to shoot a deer more than once you messed up, and if you have to shoot it more than twice you really fricked up), and if it is a dealbreaker I guess they don't have another option other than BFR (which is single action).
Maybe taurus will make one at some point, but I doubt it since they already have a .44 mag hunting revolver lline. Then again S&W offers a ton of calibers for their revolver line and still here we are, with another weird moon clip revolver.
It's a simple job to remove the lock and replace it with a filler plug if it really bothers you that much too.
Then why have you posted zero of them after being challenged to do so over 2 days in this thread?
I can go dig up 10 articles about people struck by lightning this year. Why can't you dig up ONE documented case of a S&W locking unintentionally over 30 years?
If you do not know they happen, it’s your fault for not doing research or paying attention b***h Black person.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/smith-and-wesson-internal-lock/amp/
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/confirmed-smith-wesson-686-internal-lock-failed/amp/
Further more, if you say “it’s a rare event” but it still can happen. Just like how the event you’ll need to use a firearm in self defense is rare. There are documented cases of it happening, and many many more people on forums who say it has happened to them. It’s a real problem.
>anecdotes
>anecdotes
>anecdotes
>anecdotes
>anecdotes
Sigh.
>actual video of it happening
>m-muh anecdotes, doesn't count!
Fricking moron.
Did you even watch the fricking video? It starts AFTER it supposedly happened and AFTER they supposedly fixed it. He turns it on again holding the hammer just so to demonstrate what they are saying happened. It's not video of it happening you braindead larper.
>It starts AFTER it supposedly happened and AFTER they supposedly fixed it
0:20 onward, you mongoloid.
>larper
Kek, what the frick does that have to do with anything?
>video starts with him saying "Yeah?" to indicate wife has started recording what he knows is going to happen
>he knows because he had just fiddled with the lock off camera to place it in the perfect in-between position for this to happen
>it still takes 6 shots to happen under these staged circumstances
>states "Ok." at the end, having gotten his salacious clip but forgot to trim the expectation out of his voice or the obvious setup of the clip
Hearsay. It's not even admissible in kangaroo court. Want me to explain how easy it is for me to hire 500 twitter bots to accumulate some anecdotes about how huge my wiener is?
>b-b-but it was STAAAGED
Holy shit, I almost added
>inb4 he secretly had the key in and turned it before pulling the trigger
to my last post, but I didn't think even you'd be that fricking moronic.
There is no question he turned the key before filming idiot. Even if it happened naturally before filming, he still would have needed the key to UNlock the gun before starting to film again.
You're an idiot if you aren't going for occam's razor.
>occam's razor
>all that ridiculous speculation
>not thinking he was just filming some shooting and shit happened
Do you even know what Occam's Razor is?
What evidence at all do you have that he secretly turned the fricking key or did some other stupid bullshit? Just stop, admit you didn't see the link to that video in the article, and you were wrong. You just look more and more pathetic.
Also, inb4
>lol I was just pretending to be moronic
>Hearsay. It's not even admissible in kangaroo court.
Eyewitness testimony, especially when supported by video, is nearly always admissible in court. You are an idiot.
When you have an accumulation of unrelated anecdotes that show a trend, you call that a pattern. When you get enough it's called statistics. Or what do you really think the vaccine is safe and effective and all injuries are just worthless anecdotes?
How funny that you bring up the vaccine analogy, because what you're doing is "believing the science" right now. LOL
Explain, moron. The "science" would be S&W saying there is no risk of their guns locking up.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/more-proof-that-yes-a-smith-wesson-revolver-lock-failed/
I sent a Beretta 92 in for zeroing because it was inches low out of the box. When I got it back the invoice said zeroed but guess what? It was still inches low.
An invoice just shows what they are looking at or parts they are replacing. You can send a gun in for anything. When it's something as nebulous as a lock supposedly engaging, they aren't even going to test it they'll just replace 60 cents worth of parts and send it out again.
That isn't proof.
What occam's razor isn't is a bunch of speculative fuddlore you keep dragging out. Show me a video of someone shooting for 20 minutes and it suddenly happens. Frick, you could even lie to me and say it happened to you personally. That would be 1 step better than ethereal anecdotes.
>Show me a video of someone shooting for 20 minutes and it suddenly happens
Pic related
>video of guy shooting, malfunction happens
>speculative fuddlore
lol okay
>speculative fuddlore
Objectively correct.
And what do we call an accumulation of anecdotes?
I'm not putting my life on the line for a "it probably won't happen because it hasn't happened yet". I rather buy a revolver without it and never have to find out. Plus it's ugly.
just buy a colt, Black person
Colts not only are more expensive but they aren't available in the round being discussed in the thread. Until Colt makes a .350 L that's just not a viable option if you are in the, idk 10,000 people who may fit into this very specific demographic S&W is trying to sell for.
No one should be trying to make this a social work service revolver, idk why vest popping is even a discussion at hand when I doubt that ever occurred to the S&W people
>idk why vest popping is even a discussion
Yep. This. Go for the gut or hip shot. Too many kids think that body armor is this magical thing that will protect you more times than not. I personally blame video games.
Are you the same homosexual that diddles glock triggers with a pencil?
I'm also forward assist man.
strangest OnlyFans account I've ever seen
the gloves are because you're a cretura right
And transfer bar man
it's been 30 years, nobody cares, go cry about somewhere else autismo
cringe post
shut up autist. nobody cares about a lock that no-one uses.
Oh you're back? I thought you gave up after multiple people called you out earlier.
what a gay.
I'll be waiting for another talo run.
look at the gape
lock delete kit
>just buy a buttplug for it instead of buying a better gun
they make ones that match the color, y'know
and ruger doesn't make a j-frame competitor that isn't irreversibly fugly
>top firing
>DA/SA
Why not just get a .460?
I'd never heard of .460 before. Neat little caliber/conversion system, thanks anon.
Revolvers like that aren't really "DA/SA." That's the term commonly used for pistols that automatically wiener the hammer upon firing. These revolvers are called "double action," even though you can manually wiener the hammer. If you wanted, you could call them DA & SA, but a special term like that is unnecessary because double action revolvers lacking an exposed hammer for manual wienering are called "DAO." Thus,
>DA/SA - semi-autos that automatically wiener the hammer upon the second shot
>Double action - DA revolvers with an exposed, wienerable hammer
>DAO - any double action handgun lacking the option to wiener the hammer
Likewise, single action revolvers only need to be called "single action," since "SAO" refers to guns where a function otherwise expected to be present has been removed or is conspicuously absent, namely with semi-autos.
You would have a point if there weren't hammerless revolvers.
>Small & Weak
You know, I hear BFR is making some great revolvers that are far stronger to boot.
BFR revolvers are single action and are not swing out cylinders, completely different leagues. A big SAA could shoot anything while something with a swing out cylinder you have to actually put in work.
150gr probably does 1800 FPS at best in that gun. Why do that when you can get a 7" 9x25 Dillon and have significantly better capacity and size at a loss of probably 100 FPS?
Because it's cool, unlike your homosexual glock
FRICK. Smith and Wesson.
>Design a revolver for .223 Remington
>Never release it in the intended caliber, only in .45 and .50 supermagnums
Meanwhile at Winchester:
>Take a .357 supermag, a rimmed revolver cartridge
>Remove rim, rebate rim, lengthen for use in AR's as a straight walled hunting cartridge
So they remove the rim, the one thing that help chamber it in revolvers, and then S&W stuffs it in a full meme revolver. When ammo for this garbage tier cartridge dries up in less than a decade, it'll be a paperweight. And remember, once the brass dries up, that unique rebated rim means you can't reload it, back to paperweight status.
>Because it's cool
S&W's haven't been cool since they got cucked by Clinton.
>that the lock works and is otherwise unobtrusive?
Oh it sure works at locking up the firearm! Especially the X-frames, you just gotta love it when your dangerous game, close up defence firearm stops working because of a stupid fricking safety lock.
You bring up a good point. I can't imagine they'd make a cylinder that needs moon clips for the cartridge, but it'd be foolish to have a cartridge that headspaces on the mouth in a revolver cylinder if it has any modicum of recoil. This raises the question of whether they'll make a replaceable cylinder that can take 357 Supermag and 357 Maximum.
it literally takes moonclips
i swear the guy you’re replying to is the same homosexual moron shitting up tfb comment section about the revolver
>once the brass dries up
>Laughs in starline
No, Starline laughs at you.
>A big SAA could shoot anything while something with a swing out cylinder you have to actually put in work.
You'd be amazed at the kind of ways a SAA can fail with hot magnums. If it wasn't for the work done by Magnum Research, Dick Casull and the like, it wouldn't be considered easy.
>at the work they put in
“what if we just make the steel thicker?”
t. bfr designers
At a certain point more steel doesn't help, you need fancy metallurgy.
>let's just make our x frame revolvers out of shit steel so they fail in 2500 rounds
Lol
Lmao
This gay doesn't know how Starline functions, lol. Every few months they tool their factory up to produce half their calibers, and make them to order. This is all the brass that you can buy on backorder. After that production run is done, they retool everything for the other half of their calibers and do the same thing. tldr wait a month or two Black person
>that unique rebated rim means you can't reload it
Are you moronic? Why wouldn't you be able to reload 350 Legend?
>Why wouldn't you be able to reload 350 Legend?
Once factory brass has disappeared, there is no way to economically reload .350 Legend. What case would you form it from?
I think that as long as cases like these are being propped up by moronic hunting laws there will always be some made.
Why would they be, when the next, more profitable cartridge comes along? Gotta keep selling those new rifles and handguns. .350 Legend requires unique tooling, costing an armand a leg to produce probably.
>propped up by retorted hunting laws
There's like 4 states with those laws, real cartridges are legal in all the others.
Also in those 4 or so states, 450 bushmaster is legal also, and better.
There's also another 3 or so states that have to have a straight wall with a bullet over .410, so .350 legend is still illegal there, but 450 bushmaster is legal.
the only new guns truly selling are ARs and glock clones anon
.450 really isn't better depending on what you mean. If you mean by ballistic drop, no a 405 gr .450 drops like a foot by 200 yards if you have a 100 yard zero (not that you should have a 100y zero, but if you don't you can rely on it to often be an inch or two high or low at normal ranges). It rainbows like crazy. .350 is much flatter, and it kills deer. Which was the point
>the only new guns truly selling are ARs and glock clones anon
Yeah, so they're gonna make a new AR cartridge. Duh.
The .350 IS an AR cart anon, that was part of its goal
...and they're going to make a new one, to sell fudds a new AR.
>Tbh its probably so far along that S&W changing any tooling work at all would probably raise the cost.
Why would *not* cutting a slot and *not* putting in parts cost more?
Are you moronic, hunting loads of 450 bushmaster drops 9.9" at 200 yards
Same manufacturer if hunting 350 legend drops 9.3" at 200 yards
The only difference is at 200 yards, the 450 bushmaster has 150 ftlbs more energy, and 1.5" more wind deflection in a 10mph cross wind.
>blue is bushmaster, green 350 legend
This. .350 legend has a base diameter of .390. 5.56 and .223 and .223 are close at .376, but it won't be right. .350 legend has the same rim diameter as .223, but it's base diameter is larger and doesn't really correspond to any other case.
Basically there's no converting other brass to it.
It would be easily made from 5.45x39
Are you fricking moronic?
When you neck up or down you end up lengthening the case. 3 mm is nothing.
Rebating a rim is dead simple.
Or you can simply order basic brass from the factory. Minimum order sizes might apply.
So get some brass 5.45x39. neck it out to .378, hoping that increases the length to 43mm. Turn the rim down to .376 from .394. It will chamber tight if the base is .394 instead of .390.
Not him, and I am not a proponent of the 350 legend, it's pretty shit.
But* I bet you could blow out 5.56 brass and it be serviceable enough, the reason winchester didn't, is because this was meant to be a fudd round, and fuddrounds need a shitty body taper to be accepted by the fuddies. A blown out 5.56 wouldn't have the taper, but it *might* still fit in a 350 chamber.
I dunno, garbage round to placate like 3 states shitty hunting regs.
>But* I bet you could blow out 5.56 brass and it be serviceable enough, the reason winchester didn't, is because this was meant to be a fudd round, and fuddrounds need a shitty body taper to be accepted by the fuddies.
5.56 has a taper of 22 thou going from base to shoulder, .350 Legend has a taper of .22 thou going from bass to neck - it's actually less heavily tapered than 5.56. Yes, blown out 5.56 would fit in a chamber, but there's not enough brass on a 5.56 case to blow it out and form a .350 Legend neck. Even if it fit, the fireforming process would cause weak points at the cartridge base, meaning case-head seperations.
>So get some brass 5.45x39. neck it out to .378, hoping that increases the length to 43mm
5.45x39 has a shoulder angle of 40 degrees, meaning the 5.82mm length from shoulder to neck has roughly 7.59mm of brass. You'd get less than 2mm of elongation, especially since material flow has to compensate for the necking up.
Arisaka ammo is pretty popular in Europe, and .35 and .222 are still popular hunting cartridges here, for the fudds that is. Prvi is aimed at the European market though, and there is no reason to buy a .350 Legend in Europe because it's based on stupid US laws.
Or they could not make the hole: reduce unit cost, stop being cucked, no failures, no cost to the end user to replace a defective design.
>222 are still popular hunting rounds here
What do you know, 350 is popular in the straightwall states too, where theres a population of well over 10 million
>unit cost
Tbh its probably so far along that S&W changing any tooling work at all would probably raise the cost. They clearly dont care about the few people who are so upset they wont buy or plug them. They dont mind charging more than Ruger or Taurus, they dont seem to even regard them as competition. If anything their money maker is M&Ps and ARs. Maybe Jframes too, they still move a ton.
Smith and Wesson is owned by the company that makes the locks, they’ll never go away
>Once factory brass has disappeared
It's already established popularity among people in straight wall states, people who appreciate low recoil, and those who would otherwise shoot .358 Remington. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
>Bullets over .410 required
What states are these?
Dude, you can still get whacky, dead as frick cartridges from the old west newly manufactured. The
>It sucks because it's gonna die
Is the stupidest argument against something because I see shit shilled here that is WAY less available than 350L. Like fricking 8.6 Bumfrickmoron Overhype
Seriously. A round that's readily available, inexpensive, chambered in multiple firearms by multiple companies, and decently popular isn't going to just up and die. Hell, you can still buy .35 Whelen despite it damn near being a custom caliber at this point.
>damn near a custom caliber
Last I checked there are 0, production rifles in 35 Whelen, so yes its a meme custom job.
He's talking about ammo availability, not guns to shoot it.
There are 17 sources of 35 whelen listed on ammoseek. There are still 0 8.6BO. and just under 300 350L and 77 for .45-70.
morons would interpret this as meaning 45-70 is dead, but my point is that I think 350L has achieved a sustainable level of market utilization.
>Like fricking 8.6 Bumfrickmoron Overhype
That was a fun week. Weird how the shilling just evaporated overnight.
It was more than a week.
It's been months, I want it to come back though I made a bunch of memes to spam
>350 legend is meme
>You can't buy it
>It's poopy doo doo I hate it I hate it I hate it
This is your average 350L hater everyone.
FRICK. Smith and Wesson.
>Design a revolver for .223 Remington
That sounds like fricking cancer
A revolver in 223 is less as cancerous than in 350L
No, perfect to get people into Silhouette. I've shot several handguns in .221 Fireball, a couple Contenders in necked up .223 (e.g. 7mm TCU), they all quite comfy. Yes, .223 is a bit bigger, but given the extra weight of the X-frame it'll be fine, and ammo is much more available.
Affordable, readily available factory ammo. AR's in the caliber in the form of complete firearms, complete uppers, and simple barrel swaps.
7.5 inch bfr sends 150gr winchester ds at 2040 fps according to american rifleman, faster iirc from testing who tee who did a couple years ago.
Those are loads for rifles though, hand loads for short barrels can get more juice from the squeeze
there’s also far better projectile selection
Not gonna lie, that could legitimately make for an interesting revolver if you're shooting at beyond standard handgun range. The X-frame is remarkably accurate, and its weight would help soak up the recoil. Only problem is, it's a heavy ass X-frame.
D-does it take m-moon clips?.. hunghhh
Holy shit, I always thought it would be cool if they did exactly this, but never thought it'd happen. Fricking cool.
>hillary hole
>Buy wonder 9
>Load it with FSM TUI or 68gr +p extreme defenders
>17+1 rounds of frick your 3a
Not seeing the niche tbh
>Not as powerful as 500 Magnum
>Not as versitile as 460 Magnum
But why? Where're my .357 Maximum and .445 Super Magnum X-Frames Smith and Wesson?
9mm solid copper rounds already pen IIIA with ease, even from a P365
Or you could get an 8 round .357 rechambered in .256 win mag (necked down .357) and zip through armor that way.
>.357 maximum flame cutting killed revolvers in ~1000 rounds if using under 180gr bullets
>release .350 legend, that is mostly loaded with <180gr bullets at even higher velocity and pressures
What could go wrong?
RIP
The 460 Magnum had issues at first with 200 grain or lighter bullets which have since been worked out.
>460 Magnum 65,000 PSI
>350 Legend 55,000 PSI
What makes you think the X-Frame can't handle this round?
It has to do with the pressure to bore size.
The ratio is what kills your forcing cone, as for flame cutting, the smaller your bore, the less pressure is needed to flame cut, as less gas can enter the bore, and is forced out.
Can't pretty much any caliber defeat 3a with civil defense ammo?
As in goes through it? Yes
But the target basically receives a flesh wound on the other side.
I dunno man. If I've been shot, and I know it has bypassed my body armor, I won't know how bad it is, I'll just know I had a round bypass my body armor. At that point I'm worried about getting safe and healthy not winning the fight because for me, the fight may as well be over. Do I want to continue another 5-10 minutes? Do I have another 5-10 minutes? What if I have another hour, but if I waste 5-10 minutes I go from being treatable to untreatable? If it's home defense, you tag a would-be robber. He knows he's been shot and just wants out.
See what I mean?
>gives up fighting as soon as you feel an impact
You're dead anyways then pussy, you wouldn't be able to tell if you armor stopped it or not, tard.
The super light bullets are a worthless meme draining the wallets of actual morons.
>you can't tell if you've been shot!!!
what is blood?
>the super light bullets are a worthless meme
do you own a 5.56 rifle?
>thinks you'll instantly see blood when shot, through clothes and a vest
>tries to move the goalposts about super light pistol bullets compared to rifle rounds with much more velocity and sectional density than the shitty meme pistol snake oil rounds you're shilling for
Just frick off and die kiddo, you're too young to be here.
Who's shilling? Ever been in a fight? I'll be the first one to tell you that believing in yourself is one of the very first rules. But man, when you're sparring with someone who's just plain fricking better and gets a hit on you that hurts, it's just nature to think "frick man, I kinda want out of this"
Are you unable to simulate situations in your head? Or are you so divorced from reality from playing vidya that you think you'll respawn as a baby when you die?
>thinks you'll instantly see blood when shot, through clothes and a vest
>thinks you won't feel the pain of being shot even if it's a shallow wound
Ok kiddo
Do you carry a .22 and use one for home defense?
No. Because if I'm in that position, I want the perp dead. Doesn't change the fact that if I suck and I wing him or even if I did use a .22, he would still want out. The risk vs. reward goes sky high at that point for the perp regardless.
bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest
that said it's stupid as hell to carry a big bore revolver for armor penetration purposes not that I would but you might as well use an ar pistol which will give a lot more firepower and penetrate armor just as good, 6 inches will still spit m193 out above 2k fps
Not to say I'd carry an ar pistol when a 9mm with xtreme defenders, .22 tcm, or a tokarev and maybe 5.7 are all fairly viable options for a mostly armor penetrating carry gun though it's unlikely any will go through high quality iiia since all have penetrated and failed to penetrate some vests but such performance is acceptable considering you have to go to pointed tip bullets with little wounding effect for more penetration
>bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest
What? Are you moronic?
>Not to say I'd carry an ar pistol when a 9mm with xtreme defenders, .22 tcm, or a tokarev and maybe 5.7 are all fairly viable options for a mostly armor penetrating carry gun
I love how you say maybe 5.7 when it has the best AP characteristics.
Civil Defense has a base that penetrates 12+" in ballistics gel. Even if you think the frag does nothing (debatable), the base will still poke a nice hole like any AP round will.
>bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest
>that said it's stupid as hell to carry a big bore revolver for armor penetration
Yeah, carry it for the other benefits like wounding characteristics.
you might as well use an ar pistol
I challenge you to find a way to CC even a 2" barrel AR pistol with 10 round mags.
That base *sometimes* penetrates 12" in bare gel.
Not after it passes through IIIA armor.
an x frame is getting to unconcealably large so if you're gonna open carry something for the purpose of armor penetration might as well use something that'll do it well
.454 Casull dedicated handguns are significantly more concealable than X-frames and frick armor just as well.
>make .357 maximum in 1983
>"Despite good performance, the high pressure and velocity of the cartridge caused flame cutting of revolver top straps .... has since been dropped by all revolver manufacturers"
>S&W in 2022 - what if .357 maximum, but even more pressure and velocity
They are moronic, and all you homosexuals are moronic.
About the .357 maximum, which was weaker than this.
>There were two major complaints with the Max, both having to do with powder gas erosion. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. This produced a blue-white ring of fire at the gap where the bullet transitioned the jump from cylinder to the barrel.
>This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.
>The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. That never happened with Ruger. Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. The .357 Maximum went away. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-357-maximum-too-hot-to-handle/
Seems like this is a materials problem. Maybe a refractory metal insert on the top-strap would work. A tungsten carbide ablative block that you could just swap as needed.
you couldn't try to use a space shuttle/starship heat tile sort of material because those rely on being very low density and using very little material in a lot of volume to insulate
Ablative is more of a use case than a particular material. Something like tungsten-copper composites that are used in high power electrical contacts would likely work. The idea is that you have something sacrificial that protects the important part of the revolver.
If Prvi is still making small batches of like arisaka food and people still make the odd batch of .35 or .222 remington i suspect .350 will be around for the forseeable future
7rds of "frick your IIIA" in a revolver
I can get that same thing with more rounds using 68gr xtreme defenders in 9mm
why are people in this thread calling people that hunt with an ar15 fudds?
the new hunting meta is a FA m249 anon keep up
>receive 7rds of "frick your IIIA" in a revolver
save money and grief, shoot the perp in the knee or face with a .22lr
>anon's platform to b***h about s&w
What a strange hill to die on. Defending S&W’s moronic lock.
Who the frick is defending it? I don't have one on my S&W and I don't want them on the guns at all. They're stupid, nobody wants them. That doesn't mean they are just ticking time bombs that fail all the fricking time.
Quit acting like an emotional child and try to see things with some perspective. You're the one trying to die on a hill of HILLARY HOLE IS THE DEBIL OMFG GUARANTEED FAILURE.
>that fail all the fricking time.
Nice strawman.
Nobody said or implied that.
A third of the thread is people b***hing about locks like they fail constantly, are we reading the same fricking thread? It's not surprising really, this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode. Just one more candle on that birthday cake of moronation. This board fricking LOVES to complain about and condemn everything.
no u
>it can happen, it is a problem
Then open up your b***hing to include every single fricking gun ever made, they all CAN have problems. What a stupid fricking way to evaluate guns, by the most ridiculous outside possibility of something maybe happening. That's so childish and cynical it physically hurts me to think about.
>A third of the thread is people b***hing about locks like they fail constantly
Okay, quote some examples, Mr. Evidence.
>bitching about locks LIKE they fail constantly
Great weasel-wording, gay.
>A third of the thread is people b***hing about locks like they fail constantly,
No it's not. Why are you lying? People are complaining that S&W still has their locks when they aren't needed and CAN fail. Not that they always fail.
> It's not surprising really, this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode.
I guess it's always easy to "win" arguments when you make up the other side in your head
>no u
Wow really compelling
>they all CAN have problems
What other guns have this specific problem for a feature that their customer base doesn't even want? People have been complaining about these for 20+ years. Show me other guns that have a specific, unnecessary addition that serves no shooting function and adds a failure point of complete lock up making it unusable.
>What other guns have this specific problem for a feature that their customer base doesn't even want?
Trigger blade safeties, remember 2 years ago when /k/ was mass sperging about about M&Ps and other guns non stop because some idiot posted a video of him trying to purposely pull a trigger wrong and the trigger safety wouldn't disengage? Turns out it was nothing wow. Loaded chamber indicators. Finger grooves. Magazine disconnects. Internal extractors you can't drop over a chambered cartridge. CZ 75 roll pins. CSX double reset. Shield Arms mags chewing up mag releases. The list goes on and on. The b***hing does too, yet all of them are as innocuous than S&W revolver locks.
Buddy you are newbie as frick if you think memes don't have an effect. Gullible newbie noguns read that shit and are instantly tainted because they are autistic antisocial 19 year old virgins who have no filter or perspective, just like most people on the site.
>potential problem
Thanks for finally admitting it's not an actual problem.
>Trigger blade safeties, remember 2 years ago when /k/ was mass sperging about about M&Ps and other guns non stop because some idiot posted a video of him trying to purposely pull a trigger wrong and the trigger safety wouldn't disengage?
Trigger blade safeties do serve a purpose because they allow you to remove an external frame/slide safety. What part of
> that serves no shooting function and adds a failure point of complete lock up making it unusable.
Did you not understand?
>Loaded chamber indicators.
Don't lock up the gun, don't cause malfunctions
>Finger grooves.
Literally impossible for finger grooves to lock up a gun
>Magazine disconnects
Very gay, can definitely lock up the gun. However that is their purpose, they do serve a "purpose" even if it's for morons who can't clear their guns. I'll give you this one but I can argue it has a role.
>Internal extractors you can't drop over a chambered cartridge.
The extractor is a critical part of the gun working. It's absolutely necessary
>CZ 75 roll pins.
Needed for the gun to work
>CSX double reset.
Poor design choice but it doesn't make the gun not work. That's a training issue. You can't train around a S&W lock failing.
>Shield Arms mags chewing up mag releases.
Doesn't cause the gun to lock up
So you had maybe one if I'm generous and a bunch of other things that serve a purpose and don't cause the gun to lock up completely.
>b-but I'm sure newbies believe the memes... right?!
>this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode
>he thinks the memes are what any significant portion of people actually, legitimately, unironically believe
>all guns can have problems
>so it's perfectly fine to introduce another potential problem
You are
I have never said it’s a guaranteed failure you strawmanning frick, I just only that it has happened, it can happen, it is a problem. When asked about failures, I posted documented failures which then you went and b***hed about how those aren’t real. Even with some moronic “he turned the lock in just a way” that it would engage after a few shots, which still means it is physically possible for the lock to engage itself under recoil.
I have two smiths with locks. If you do not own any, why the frick did you bring your ugly mug into this conversation?
Hillary hole is the devil, have a nice day moron.
What a homosexual
It's an actual problem because it signals S&W as cucked by Hillary, anyone who owns it as cucked by Hillary, it's fricking ugly, and it can cause a failure in the gun. You don't know English. Get Hilldawg's knot out of your ass.
>appeal to emotion
Of course you have no evidence or reasonable argument against S&W locks, just a bunch of emotional memetic seething. Let the thread get back to big iron already, stop trying, stop replying.
>I'm going to pretend I totally didn't see the video of it happening
I don't really think that argument is even convince because that would imply that *all* S&W handguns should have a lock. The performance center Shields don't even HAVE safeties. If it was purely a "cucked by Hillary" thing ALL their handguns would have them, but they don't. They don't have a Taurus Millenium G2 style internal lock. I reckon it's more economics of some kind--they already have them, they already make them, so it'd cost more to change it.
I've actually only seen 1 timing issue with a revolver where it just wagged back and forward quite a bit, but it was an extremely old high standard one.
*I don't really think that argument is even convincing
Autocorrect moment
This dude has been going on for 4 hours defending/strawmanning something he doesn’t even like. What a fricking moron
It's amazing how people double down rather than just shut up
It's sad
Could be worse, he could be defending .350 Legend.
>it can cause a failure in the gun
>it has proven to cause failures
>appeal to emotion
And you aren't? At this point I'm just mocking you for being such a dunce.
Personally I've genuinely never have seen a revolver lock up. Hilary safety or not I've just never seen it happen.
Revolver timing goes out all the time, I dunno if it's any more common on the smith's with the Hillary Hole though.
They can lock up for many reasons, for instance the crimp on a round failing and the bullet coming out of the case under recoil, jamming itself against the frame and cylinder locking the gun up. Happens mostly to poor reload/quality ammo and autoloader rounds (9mm mostly).
>$230
>10rnd
>space cowboy
>cheap ammo
>3a BTFO
Why are you not buying the spaghetti blaster instead?
it's not a 357 maximum is what
Is there anything wrong with buying a new production S&W 629, or am I a gay for buying a new revolver with the cucked lock on it?
it's a personal choice.
but imo you'd be a top rate peter puffer.
get a gently used one without the b***h hole.
Would a new production Colt Anaconda be okay, or would I still be the big gay?
thinking about picking up a 357
thoughts on redhawk?
Yes.
Why not the Gp100?
8 rounds
and the redhawk can handle hotter loads
What are the chances .350L catches on and becomes cheap and widely available? I want a big iron but the prices on .357 are already too fricking moronic for me.