Return of the big iron

>buy pic related
>load 350 legend with Underwood xtreme penetrators
>receive 7rds of "fuck your IIIA" in a revolver
If you haven't yet, make sure to pause for a moment to thank Smith & Wesson for taking the first steps towards a brighter future.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does it take AR magazines

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >bolt action .. does it take mags
      yes it does actually

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hillary hole.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It has a snuke?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what is this supposed to show?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Smith & Wesson tries to make a safety locking mechanism built into their revolvers. It locks the action in place and prevents the gun from being fired. Tends to be maligned in the firearm world as a gimmick to appease anti-gun politicians from back during the Clinton administration.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yes so the lock is working correctly. again, what is the webm supposed to show? that the lock works and is otherwise unobtrusive? yes everyone knows that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It doesnt though you fucking imbecile its another thing that can go wrong in magnum fucking revolvers that are getting jarred around they can and have locked up revolvers completely you fucking stupid piece of shit it was in fact literally put on their cuckvovlers just for the 94 awb and even after sunsetting the fucking loser boomers refuse to do away with it, shit even ruger changed their fudd bootlicker ways for a while but these fucks still cow to a boot that isn't even there anymore and they make their guns worse for no reason fuck you dipshit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                once again let me ask you what is the video supposed to prove?

                your overemotional noguns chimp rant doesnt prove the made up scenario in your damaged brain has happened even one time. dont divert again: WHAT DOES THAT VIDEO PROVE?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                honest question, has there been a recorded incident of the lock seizing a weapon it's on? like gimme a source I'm legitimately curious, because all I've ever seen for years was people parroting "it CAN fuck up a revolver" but never "it HAS" or "it DOES"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I have heard apocryphally that Jerry Mculek (or however it's spelled) had one lock up on him back in the like 90s or whatever, but I've yet to actually KNOW anyone who has had it happened to them, nor have I had it happen to me. I have read some claims that it primarily happens to the very small frame magnum j-frames with hot loads, but I've yet to actually see it demonstrably happen. So to me it goes in the same box as the 1911 "grip safety just jammed up and won't work!" tier where I guess it can happen but it's rare enough to not be a significant concern to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There are documented failures.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There are less than 3 documented failures.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, and probably every car has at least one documented failure with things like airbag deployment, or sudden break line failure, over thousands of thousands of cars.

                The question is does it happen enough to matter to the type of people who want a .350L revolver (which is probably a very niche group of hunters to begin with). Most anons complaining about the Hillary Hole are probably not even in the market for a $1600 revolver, nor are they intended audience in all likelihood. I'm not sure who it is for, probably revolver hunters in the straightwall states who already own .350L rifles and want a companion piece. For a lot of them i doubt the .350L revolver having a hillary hole is a deal breaker since they are already taking the conceit of mag limits and caliber size limits (if you have to shoot a deer more than once you messed up, and if you have to shoot it more than twice you really fucked up), and if it is a dealbreaker I guess they don't have another option other than BFR (which is single action).

                Maybe taurus will make one at some point, but I doubt it since they already have a .44 mag hunting revolver lline. Then again S&W offers a ton of calibers for their revolver line and still here we are, with another weird moon clip revolver.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a simple job to remove the lock and replace it with a filler plug if it really bothers you that much too.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then why have you posted zero of them after being challenged to do so over 2 days in this thread?

                I can go dig up 10 articles about people struck by lightning this year. Why can't you dig up ONE documented case of a S&W locking unintentionally over 30 years?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you do not know they happen, it’s your fault for not doing research or paying attention bitch moron.

                https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/smith-and-wesson-internal-lock/amp/
                https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/confirmed-smith-wesson-686-internal-lock-failed/amp/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Further more, if you say “it’s a rare event” but it still can happen. Just like how the event you’ll need to use a firearm in self defense is rare. There are documented cases of it happening, and many many more people on forums who say it has happened to them. It’s a real problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >anecdotes
                >anecdotes
                >anecdotes
                >anecdotes
                >anecdotes
                Sigh.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >actual video of it happening
                >m-muh anecdotes, doesn't count!
                Fucking retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did you even watch the fucking video? It starts AFTER it supposedly happened and AFTER they supposedly fixed it. He turns it on again holding the hammer just so to demonstrate what they are saying happened. It's not video of it happening you braindead larper.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It starts AFTER it supposedly happened and AFTER they supposedly fixed it

                0:20 onward, you mongoloid.
                >larper
                Kek, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >video starts with him saying "Yeah?" to indicate wife has started recording what he knows is going to happen
                >he knows because he had just fiddled with the lock off camera to place it in the perfect in-between position for this to happen
                >it still takes 6 shots to happen under these staged circumstances
                >states "Ok." at the end, having gotten his salacious clip but forgot to trim the expectation out of his voice or the obvious setup of the clip

                And what do we call an accumulation of anecdotes?

                Hearsay. It's not even admissible in kangaroo court. Want me to explain how easy it is for me to hire 500 twitter bots to accumulate some anecdotes about how huge my cock is?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >b-b-but it was STAAAGED
                Holy shit, I almost added
                >inb4 he secretly had the key in and turned it before pulling the trigger
                to my last post, but I didn't think even you'd be that fucking retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There is no question he turned the key before filming idiot. Even if it happened naturally before filming, he still would have needed the key to UNlock the gun before starting to film again.

                You're an idiot if you aren't going for occam's razor.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >occam's razor
                >all that ridiculous speculation
                >not thinking he was just filming some shooting and shit happened
                Do you even know what Occam's Razor is?
                What evidence at all do you have that he secretly turned the fucking key or did some other stupid bullshit? Just stop, admit you didn't see the link to that video in the article, and you were wrong. You just look more and more pathetic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also, inb4
                >lol I was just pretending to be retarded

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Hearsay. It's not even admissible in kangaroo court.
                Eyewitness testimony, especially when supported by video, is nearly always admissible in court. You are an idiot.

                When you have an accumulation of unrelated anecdotes that show a trend, you call that a pattern. When you get enough it's called statistics. Or what do you really think the vaccine is safe and effective and all injuries are just worthless anecdotes?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How funny that you bring up the vaccine analogy, because what you're doing is "believing the science" right now. LOL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Explain, retard. The "science" would be S&W saying there is no risk of their guns locking up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/more-proof-that-yes-a-smith-wesson-revolver-lock-failed/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I sent a Beretta 92 in for zeroing because it was inches low out of the box. When I got it back the invoice said zeroed but guess what? It was still inches low.

                An invoice just shows what they are looking at or parts they are replacing. You can send a gun in for anything. When it's something as nebulous as a lock supposedly engaging, they aren't even going to test it they'll just replace 60 cents worth of parts and send it out again.

                That isn't proof.

                https://i.imgur.com/LMWIh1x.jpg

                >occam's razor
                >all that ridiculous speculation
                >not thinking he was just filming some shooting and shit happened
                Do you even know what Occam's Razor is?
                What evidence at all do you have that he secretly turned the fucking key or did some other stupid bullshit? Just stop, admit you didn't see the link to that video in the article, and you were wrong. You just look more and more pathetic.

                What occam's razor isn't is a bunch of speculative fuddlore you keep dragging out. Show me a video of someone shooting for 20 minutes and it suddenly happens. Fuck, you could even lie to me and say it happened to you personally. That would be 1 step better than ethereal anecdotes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Show me a video of someone shooting for 20 minutes and it suddenly happens
                Pic related
                >video of guy shooting, malfunction happens
                >speculative fuddlore
                lol okay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >speculative fuddlore
                Objectively correct.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And what do we call an accumulation of anecdotes?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not putting my life on the line for a "it probably won't happen because it hasn't happened yet". I rather buy a revolver without it and never have to find out. Plus it's ugly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                just buy a colt, moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Colts not only are more expensive but they aren't available in the round being discussed in the thread. Until Colt makes a .350 L that's just not a viable option if you are in the, idk 10,000 people who may fit into this very specific demographic S&W is trying to sell for.

                No one should be trying to make this a social work service revolver, idk why vest popping is even a discussion at hand when I doubt that ever occurred to the S&W people

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >idk why vest popping is even a discussion
                Yep. This. Go for the gut or hip shot. Too many kids think that body armor is this magical thing that will protect you more times than not. I personally blame video games.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you the same gay that diddles glock triggers with a pencil?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm also forward assist man.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              And transfer bar man

              strangest OnlyFans account I've ever seen

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the gloves are because you're a cretura right

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And transfer bar man

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hillary hole

          It's an actual problem because it signals S&W as cucked by Hillary, anyone who owns it as cucked by Hillary, it's fucking ugly, and it can cause a failure in the gun. You don't know English. Get Hilldawg's knot out of your ass.

          it's been 30 years, nobody cares, go cry about somewhere else autismo

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cringe post

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              shut up autist. nobody cares about a lock that no-one uses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh you're back? I thought you gave up after multiple people called you out earlier.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shut up autist. nobody cares about a lock that no-one uses.

            what a fag.
            I'll be waiting for another talo run.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      look at the gape

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lock delete kit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >just buy a buttplug for it instead of buying a better gun

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they make ones that match the color, y'know
          and ruger doesn't make a j-frame competitor that isn't irreversibly fugly

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >top firing
    >DA/SA
    Why not just get a .460?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd never heard of .460 before. Neat little caliber/conversion system, thanks anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Revolvers like that aren't really "DA/SA." That's the term commonly used for pistols that automatically cock the hammer upon firing. These revolvers are called "double action," even though you can manually cock the hammer. If you wanted, you could call them DA & SA, but a special term like that is unnecessary because double action revolvers lacking an exposed hammer for manual cocking are called "DAO." Thus,

      >DA/SA - semi-autos that automatically cock the hammer upon the second shot

      >Double action - DA revolvers with an exposed, cockable hammer

      >DAO - any double action handgun lacking the option to cock the hammer

      Likewise, single action revolvers only need to be called "single action," since "SAO" refers to guns where a function otherwise expected to be present has been removed or is conHispanicuously absent, namely with semi-autos.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You would have a point if there weren't hammerless revolvers.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Small & Weak
    You know, I hear BFR is making some great revolvers that are far stronger to boot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      BFR revolvers are single action and are not swing out cylinders, completely different leagues. A big SAA could shoot anything while something with a swing out cylinder you have to actually put in work.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    150gr probably does 1800 FPS at best in that gun. Why do that when you can get a 7" 9x25 Dillon and have significantly better capacity and size at a loss of probably 100 FPS?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's cool, unlike your gay glock

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FUCK. Smith and Wesson.
        >Design a revolver for .223 Remington
        >Never release it in the intended caliber, only in .45 and .50 supermagnums
        Meanwhile at Winchester:
        >Take a .357 supermag, a rimmed revolver cartridge
        >Remove rim, rebate rim, lengthen for use in AR's as a straight walled hunting cartridge
        So they remove the rim, the one thing that help chamber it in revolvers, and then S&W stuffs it in a full meme revolver. When ammo for this garbage tier cartridge dries up in less than a decade, it'll be a paperweight. And remember, once the brass dries up, that unique rebated rim means you can't reload it, back to paperweight status.

        >Because it's cool
        S&W's haven't been cool since they got cucked by Clinton.

        yes so the lock is working correctly. again, what is the webm supposed to show? that the lock works and is otherwise unobtrusive? yes everyone knows that.

        >that the lock works and is otherwise unobtrusive?
        Oh it sure works at locking up the firearm! Especially the X-frames, you just gotta love it when your dangerous game, close up defence firearm stops working because of a stupid fucking safety lock.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You bring up a good point. I can't imagine they'd make a cylinder that needs moon clips for the cartridge, but it'd be foolish to have a cartridge that headspaces on the mouth in a revolver cylinder if it has any modicum of recoil. This raises the question of whether they'll make a replaceable cylinder that can take 357 Supermag and 357 Maximum.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it literally takes moonclips
            i swear the guy you’re replying to is the same gay retard shitting up tfb comment section about the revolver

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >once the brass dries up
          >Laughs in starline

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, Starline laughs at you.

            BFR revolvers are single action and are not swing out cylinders, completely different leagues. A big SAA could shoot anything while something with a swing out cylinder you have to actually put in work.

            >A big SAA could shoot anything while something with a swing out cylinder you have to actually put in work.
            You'd be amazed at the kind of ways a SAA can fail with hot magnums. If it wasn't for the work done by Magnum Research, Dick Casull and the like, it wouldn't be considered easy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >at the work they put in
              “what if we just make the steel thicker?”
              t. bfr designers

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                At a certain point more steel doesn't help, you need fancy metallurgy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >let's just make our x frame revolvers out of shit steel so they fail in 2500 rounds
                Lol
                Lmao

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This fag doesn't know how Starline functions, lol. Every few months they tool their factory up to produce half their calibers, and make them to order. This is all the brass that you can buy on backorder. After that production run is done, they retool everything for the other half of their calibers and do the same thing. tldr wait a month or two moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >that unique rebated rim means you can't reload it
          Are you retarded? Why wouldn't you be able to reload 350 Legend?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why wouldn't you be able to reload 350 Legend?
            Once factory brass has disappeared, there is no way to economically reload .350 Legend. What case would you form it from?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think that as long as cases like these are being propped up by retarded hunting laws there will always be some made.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why would they be, when the next, more profitable cartridge comes along? Gotta keep selling those new rifles and handguns. .350 Legend requires unique tooling, costing an armand a leg to produce probably.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >propped up by retorted hunting laws
                There's like 4 states with those laws, real cartridges are legal in all the others.
                Also in those 4 or so states, 450 bushmaster is legal also, and better.
                There's also another 3 or so states that have to have a straight wall with a bullet over .410, so .350 legend is still illegal there, but 450 bushmaster is legal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the only new guns truly selling are ARs and glock clones anon

                >propped up by retorted hunting laws
                There's like 4 states with those laws, real cartridges are legal in all the others.
                Also in those 4 or so states, 450 bushmaster is legal also, and better.
                There's also another 3 or so states that have to have a straight wall with a bullet over .410, so .350 legend is still illegal there, but 450 bushmaster is legal.

                .450 really isn't better depending on what you mean. If you mean by ballistic drop, no a 405 gr .450 drops like a foot by 200 yards if you have a 100 yard zero (not that you should have a 100y zero, but if you don't you can rely on it to often be an inch or two high or low at normal ranges). It rainbows like crazy. .350 is much flatter, and it kills deer. Which was the point

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the only new guns truly selling are ARs and glock clones anon
                Yeah, so they're gonna make a new AR cartridge. Duh.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The .350 IS an AR cart anon, that was part of its goal

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ...and they're going to make a new one, to sell fudds a new AR.

                >222 are still popular hunting rounds here
                What do you know, 350 is popular in the straightwall states too, where theres a population of well over 10 million

                >unit cost
                Tbh its probably so far along that S&W changing any tooling work at all would probably raise the cost. They clearly dont care about the few people who are so upset they wont buy or plug them. They dont mind charging more than Ruger or Taurus, they dont seem to even regard them as competition. If anything their money maker is M&Ps and ARs. Maybe Jframes too, they still move a ton.

                >Tbh its probably so far along that S&W changing any tooling work at all would probably raise the cost.
                Why would *not* cutting a slot and *not* putting in parts cost more?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you retarded, hunting loads of 450 bushmaster drops 9.9" at 200 yards
                Same manufacturer if hunting 350 legend drops 9.3" at 200 yards
                The only difference is at 200 yards, the 450 bushmaster has 150 ftlbs more energy, and 1.5" more wind deflection in a 10mph cross wind.
                >blue is bushmaster, green 350 legend

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              This. .350 legend has a base diameter of .390. 5.56 and .223 and .223 are close at .376, but it won't be right. .350 legend has the same rim diameter as .223, but it's base diameter is larger and doesn't really correspond to any other case.

              Basically there's no converting other brass to it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It would be easily made from 5.45x39

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you fucking retarded?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When you neck up or down you end up lengthening the case. 3 mm is nothing.
                Rebating a rim is dead simple.
                Or you can simply order basic brass from the factory. Minimum order sizes might apply.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So get some brass 5.45x39. neck it out to .378, hoping that increases the length to 43mm. Turn the rim down to .376 from .394. It will chamber tight if the base is .394 instead of .390.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not him, and I am not a proponent of the 350 legend, it's pretty shit.
              But* I bet you could blow out 5.56 brass and it be serviceable enough, the reason winchester didn't, is because this was meant to be a fudd round, and fuddrounds need a shitty body taper to be accepted by the fuddies. A blown out 5.56 wouldn't have the taper, but it *might* still fit in a 350 chamber.
              I dunno, garbage round to placate like 3 states shitty hunting regs.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >But* I bet you could blow out 5.56 brass and it be serviceable enough, the reason winchester didn't, is because this was meant to be a fudd round, and fuddrounds need a shitty body taper to be accepted by the fuddies.
                5.56 has a taper of 22 thou going from base to shoulder, .350 Legend has a taper of .22 thou going from bass to neck - it's actually less heavily tapered than 5.56. Yes, blown out 5.56 would fit in a chamber, but there's not enough brass on a 5.56 case to blow it out and form a .350 Legend neck. Even if it fit, the fireforming process would cause weak points at the cartridge base, meaning case-head seperations.

                So get some brass 5.45x39. neck it out to .378, hoping that increases the length to 43mm. Turn the rim down to .376 from .394. It will chamber tight if the base is .394 instead of .390.

                >So get some brass 5.45x39. neck it out to .378, hoping that increases the length to 43mm
                5.45x39 has a shoulder angle of 40 degrees, meaning the 5.82mm length from shoulder to neck has roughly 7.59mm of brass. You'd get less than 2mm of elongation, especially since material flow has to compensate for the necking up.

                If Prvi is still making small batches of like arisaka food and people still make the odd batch of .35 or .222 remington i suspect .350 will be around for the forseeable future

                Arisaka ammo is pretty popular in Europe, and .35 and .222 are still popular hunting cartridges here, for the fudds that is. Prvi is aimed at the European market though, and there is no reason to buy a .350 Legend in Europe because it's based on stupid US laws.

                It's a simple job to remove the lock and replace it with a filler plug if it really bothers you that much too.

                Or they could not make the hole: reduce unit cost, stop being cucked, no failures, no cost to the end user to replace a defective design.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >222 are still popular hunting rounds here
                What do you know, 350 is popular in the straightwall states too, where theres a population of well over 10 million

                >unit cost
                Tbh its probably so far along that S&W changing any tooling work at all would probably raise the cost. They clearly dont care about the few people who are so upset they wont buy or plug them. They dont mind charging more than Ruger or Taurus, they dont seem to even regard them as competition. If anything their money maker is M&Ps and ARs. Maybe Jframes too, they still move a ton.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Smith and Wesson is owned by the company that makes the locks, they’ll never go away

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Once factory brass has disappeared
              It's already established popularity among people in straight wall states, people who appreciate low recoil, and those who would otherwise shoot .358 Remington. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

              >propped up by retorted hunting laws
              There's like 4 states with those laws, real cartridges are legal in all the others.
              Also in those 4 or so states, 450 bushmaster is legal also, and better.
              There's also another 3 or so states that have to have a straight wall with a bullet over .410, so .350 legend is still illegal there, but 450 bushmaster is legal.

              >Bullets over .410 required
              What states are these?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Dude, you can still get whacky, dead as fuck cartridges from the old west newly manufactured. The
              >It sucks because it's gonna die
              Is the stupidest argument against something because I see shit shilled here that is WAY less available than 350L. Like fucking 8.6 Bumfuckretard Overhype

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously. A round that's readily available, inexpensive, chambered in multiple firearms by multiple companies, and decently popular isn't going to just up and die. Hell, you can still buy .35 Whelen despite it damn near being a custom caliber at this point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >damn near a custom caliber
                Last I checked there are 0, production rifles in 35 Whelen, so yes its a meme custom job.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's talking about ammo availability, not guns to shoot it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are 17 sources of 35 whelen listed on ammoseek. There are still 0 8.6BO. and just under 300 350L and 77 for .45-70.
                Retards would interpret this as meaning 45-70 is dead, but my point is that I think 350L has achieved a sustainable level of market utilization.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Like fucking 8.6 Bumfuckretard Overhype
                That was a fun week. Weird how the shilling just evaporated overnight.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It was more than a week.
                It's been months, I want it to come back though I made a bunch of memes to spam

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >350 legend is meme
          >You can't buy it
          >It's poopy doo doo I hate it I hate it I hate it
          This is your average 350L hater everyone.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FUCK. Smith and Wesson.
          >Design a revolver for .223 Remington
          That sounds like fucking cancer

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A revolver in 223 is less as cancerous than in 350L

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, perfect to get people into Silhouette. I've shot several handguns in .221 Fireball, a couple Contenders in necked up .223 (e.g. 7mm TCU), they all quite comfy. Yes, .223 is a bit bigger, but given the extra weight of the X-frame it'll be fine, and ammo is much more available.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Affordable, readily available factory ammo. AR's in the caliber in the form of complete firearms, complete uppers, and simple barrel swaps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      7.5 inch bfr sends 150gr winchester ds at 2040 fps according to american rifleman, faster iirc from testing who tee who did a couple years ago.
      Those are loads for rifles though, hand loads for short barrels can get more juice from the squeeze
      there’s also far better projectile selection

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not gonna lie, that could legitimately make for an interesting revolver if you're shooting at beyond standard handgun range. The X-frame is remarkably accurate, and its weight would help soak up the recoil. Only problem is, it's a heavy ass X-frame.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    D-does it take m-moon clips?.. hunghhh

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit, I always thought it would be cool if they did exactly this, but never thought it'd happen. Fucking cool.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hillary hole

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Buy wonder 9
    >Load it with FSM TUI or 68gr +p extreme defenders
    >17+1 rounds of fuck your 3a
    Not seeing the niche tbh

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Not as powerful as 500 Magnum
    >Not as versitile as 460 Magnum
    But why? Where're my .357 Maximum and .445 Super Magnum X-Frames Smith and Wesson?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm solid copper rounds already pen IIIA with ease, even from a P365

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Or you could get an 8 round .357 rechambered in .256 win mag (necked down .357) and zip through armor that way.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >.357 maximum flame cutting killed revolvers in ~1000 rounds if using under 180gr bullets
    >release .350 legend, that is mostly loaded with <180gr bullets at even higher velocity and pressures
    What could go wrong?
    RIP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The 460 Magnum had issues at first with 200 grain or lighter bullets which have since been worked out.
      >460 Magnum 65,000 PSI
      >350 Legend 55,000 PSI
      What makes you think the X-Frame can't handle this round?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It has to do with the pressure to bore size.
        The ratio is what kills your forcing cone, as for flame cutting, the smaller your bore, the less pressure is needed to flame cut, as less gas can enter the bore, and is forced out.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't pretty much any caliber defeat 3a with civil defense ammo?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As in goes through it? Yes
      But the target basically receives a flesh wound on the other side.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I dunno man. If I've been shot, and I know it has bypassed my body armor, I won't know how bad it is, I'll just know I had a round bypass my body armor. At that point I'm worried about getting safe and healthy not winning the fight because for me, the fight may as well be over. Do I want to continue another 5-10 minutes? Do I have another 5-10 minutes? What if I have another hour, but if I waste 5-10 minutes I go from being treatable to untreatable? If it's home defense, you tag a would-be robber. He knows he's been shot and just wants out.

        See what I mean?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >gives up fighting as soon as you feel an impact
          You're dead anyways then pussy, you wouldn't be able to tell if you armor stopped it or not, tard.
          The super light bullets are a worthless meme draining the wallets of actual retards.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you can't tell if you've been shot!!!
            what is blood?

            >the super light bullets are a worthless meme
            do you own a 5.56 rifle?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >thinks you'll instantly see blood when shot, through clothes and a vest
              >tries to move the goalposts about super light pistol bullets compared to rifle rounds with much more velocity and sectional density than the shitty meme pistol snake oil rounds you're shilling for
              Just fuck off and die kiddo, you're too young to be here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Who's shilling? Ever been in a fight? I'll be the first one to tell you that believing in yourself is one of the very first rules. But man, when you're sparring with someone who's just plain fucking better and gets a hit on you that hurts, it's just nature to think "fuck man, I kinda want out of this"

                Are you unable to simulate situations in your head? Or are you so divorced from reality from playing vidya that you think you'll respawn as a baby when you die?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks you'll instantly see blood when shot, through clothes and a vest
                >thinks you won't feel the pain of being shot even if it's a shallow wound
                Ok kiddo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you carry a .22 and use one for home defense?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. Because if I'm in that position, I want the perp dead. Doesn't change the fact that if I suck and I wing him or even if I did use a .22, he would still want out. The risk vs. reward goes sky high at that point for the perp regardless.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest

        that said it's stupid as hell to carry a big bore revolver for armor penetration purposes not that I would but you might as well use an ar pistol which will give a lot more firepower and penetrate armor just as good, 6 inches will still spit m193 out above 2k fps
        Not to say I'd carry an ar pistol when a 9mm with xtreme defenders, .22 tcm, or a tokarev and maybe 5.7 are all fairly viable options for a mostly armor penetrating carry gun though it's unlikely any will go through high quality iiia since all have penetrated and failed to penetrate some vests but such performance is acceptable considering you have to go to pointed tip bullets with little wounding effect for more penetration

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest
          What? Are you retarded?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Not to say I'd carry an ar pistol when a 9mm with xtreme defenders, .22 tcm, or a tokarev and maybe 5.7 are all fairly viable options for a mostly armor penetrating carry gun
          I love how you say maybe 5.7 when it has the best AP characteristics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Civil Defense has a base that penetrates 12+" in ballistics gel. Even if you think the frag does nothing (debatable), the base will still poke a nice hole like any AP round will.

        bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest

        that said it's stupid as hell to carry a big bore revolver for armor penetration purposes not that I would but you might as well use an ar pistol which will give a lot more firepower and penetrate armor just as good, 6 inches will still spit m193 out above 2k fps
        Not to say I'd carry an ar pistol when a 9mm with xtreme defenders, .22 tcm, or a tokarev and maybe 5.7 are all fairly viable options for a mostly armor penetrating carry gun though it's unlikely any will go through high quality iiia since all have penetrated and failed to penetrate some vests but such performance is acceptable considering you have to go to pointed tip bullets with little wounding effect for more penetration

        >bruising shot that is stopped by body armor > penetrating shot that might actually send fragmentation a few inches into your chest
        >that said it's stupid as hell to carry a big bore revolver for armor penetration
        Yeah, carry it for the other benefits like wounding characteristics.
        you might as well use an ar pistol
        I challenge you to find a way to CC even a 2" barrel AR pistol with 10 round mags.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That base *sometimes* penetrates 12" in bare gel.
          Not after it passes through IIIA armor.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          an x frame is getting to unconcealably large so if you're gonna open carry something for the purpose of armor penetration might as well use something that'll do it well

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .454 Casull dedicated handguns are significantly more concealable than X-frames and fuck armor just as well.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >make .357 maximum in 1983
    >"Despite good performance, the high pressure and velocity of the cartridge caused flame cutting of revolver top straps .... has since been dropped by all revolver manufacturers"
    >S&W in 2022 - what if .357 maximum, but even more pressure and velocity
    They are retarded, and all you gays are retarded.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    About the .357 maximum, which was weaker than this.
    >There were two major complaints with the Max, both having to do with powder gas erosion. When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. This produced a blue-white ring of fire at the gap where the bullet transitioned the jump from cylinder to the barrel.

    >This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.

    >The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. That never happened with Ruger. Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. The .357 Maximum went away. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.
    https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-357-maximum-too-hot-to-handle/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like this is a materials problem. Maybe a refractory metal insert on the top-strap would work. A tungsten carbide ablative block that you could just swap as needed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you couldn't try to use a space shuttle/starship heat tile sort of material because those rely on being very low density and using very little material in a lot of volume to insulate

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ablative is more of a use case than a particular material. Something like tungsten-copper composites that are used in high power electrical contacts would likely work. The idea is that you have something sacrificial that protects the important part of the revolver.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If Prvi is still making small batches of like arisaka food and people still make the odd batch of .35 or .222 remington i suspect .350 will be around for the forseeable future

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    7rds of "fuck your IIIA" in a revolver
    I can get that same thing with more rounds using 68gr xtreme defenders in 9mm

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why are people in this thread calling people that hunt with an ar15 fudds?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the new hunting meta is a FA m249 anon keep up

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >receive 7rds of "fuck your IIIA" in a revolver
    save money and grief, shoot the perp in the knee or face with a .22lr

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >anon's platform to bitch about s&w

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a strange hill to die on. Defending S&W’s retarded lock.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who the fuck is defending it? I don't have one on my S&W and I don't want them on the guns at all. They're stupid, nobody wants them. That doesn't mean they are just ticking time bombs that fail all the fucking time.

      Quit acting like an emotional child and try to see things with some perspective. You're the one trying to die on a hill of HILLARY HOLE IS THE DEBIL OMFG GUARANTEED FAILURE.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >that fail all the fucking time.
        Nice strawman.
        Nobody said or implied that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A third of the thread is people bitching about locks like they fail constantly, are we reading the same fucking thread? It's not surprising really, this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode. Just one more candle on that birthday cake of retardation. This board fucking LOVES to complain about and condemn everything.

          You are

          no u

          I have never said it’s a guaranteed failure you strawmanning fuck, I just only that it has happened, it can happen, it is a problem. When asked about failures, I posted documented failures which then you went and bitched about how those aren’t real. Even with some retarded “he turned the lock in just a way” that it would engage after a few shots, which still means it is physically possible for the lock to engage itself under recoil.

          I have two smiths with locks. If you do not own any, why the fuck did you bring your ugly mug into this conversation?

          >it can happen, it is a problem
          Then open up your bitching to include every single fucking gun ever made, they all CAN have problems. What a stupid fucking way to evaluate guns, by the most ridiculous outside possibility of something maybe happening. That's so childish and cynical it physically hurts me to think about.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A third of the thread is people bitching about locks like they fail constantly
            Okay, quote some examples, Mr. Evidence.
            >bitching about locks LIKE they fail constantly
            Great weasel-wording, fag.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A third of the thread is people bitching about locks like they fail constantly,
            No it's not. Why are you lying? People are complaining that S&W still has their locks when they aren't needed and CAN fail. Not that they always fail.
            > It's not surprising really, this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode.
            I guess it's always easy to "win" arguments when you make up the other side in your head
            >no u
            Wow really compelling
            >they all CAN have problems
            What other guns have this specific problem for a feature that their customer base doesn't even want? People have been complaining about these for 20+ years. Show me other guns that have a specific, unnecessary addition that serves no shooting function and adds a failure point of complete lock up making it unusable.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >What other guns have this specific problem for a feature that their customer base doesn't even want?
              Trigger blade safeties, remember 2 years ago when PrepHole was mass sperging about about M&Ps and other guns non stop because some idiot posted a video of him trying to purposely pull a trigger wrong and the trigger safety wouldn't disengage? Turns out it was nothing wow. Loaded chamber indicators. Finger grooves. Magazine disconnects. Internal extractors you can't drop over a chambered cartridge. CZ 75 roll pins. CSX double reset. Shield Arms mags chewing up mag releases. The list goes on and on. The bitching does too, yet all of them are as innocuous than S&W revolver locks.

              https://i.imgur.com/lUaiPEq.gif

              >this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode
              >he thinks the memes are what any significant portion of people actually, legitimately, unironically believe

              Buddy you are newfag as fuck if you think memes don't have an effect. Gullible newfag noguns read that shit and are instantly tainted because they are autistic antisocial 19 year old virgins who have no filter or perspective, just like most people on the site.

              >all guns can have problems
              >so it's perfectly fine to introduce another potential problem

              >potential problem
              Thanks for finally admitting it's not an actual problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Trigger blade safeties, remember 2 years ago when PrepHole was mass sperging about about M&Ps and other guns non stop because some idiot posted a video of him trying to purposely pull a trigger wrong and the trigger safety wouldn't disengage?
                Trigger blade safeties do serve a purpose because they allow you to remove an external frame/slide safety. What part of
                > that serves no shooting function and adds a failure point of complete lock up making it unusable.
                Did you not understand?

                >Loaded chamber indicators.
                Don't lock up the gun, don't cause malfunctions
                >Finger grooves.
                Literally impossible for finger grooves to lock up a gun
                >Magazine disconnects
                Very gay, can definitely lock up the gun. However that is their purpose, they do serve a "purpose" even if it's for retards who can't clear their guns. I'll give you this one but I can argue it has a role.
                >Internal extractors you can't drop over a chambered cartridge.
                The extractor is a critical part of the gun working. It's absolutely necessary
                >CZ 75 roll pins.
                Needed for the gun to work
                >CSX double reset.
                Poor design choice but it doesn't make the gun not work. That's a training issue. You can't train around a S&W lock failing.
                >Shield Arms mags chewing up mag releases.
                Doesn't cause the gun to lock up

                So you had maybe one if I'm generous and a bunch of other things that serve a purpose and don't cause the gun to lock up completely.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but I'm sure newfags believe the memes... right?!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >this board thinks current Sig P320s fire when dropped, Remingtons are guaranteed to rust, muggets are the best rifle ever invented and Glocks explode
            >he thinks the memes are what any significant portion of people actually, legitimately, unironically believe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >all guns can have problems
            >so it's perfectly fine to introduce another potential problem

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I have never said it’s a guaranteed failure you strawmanning fuck, I just only that it has happened, it can happen, it is a problem. When asked about failures, I posted documented failures which then you went and bitched about how those aren’t real. Even with some retarded “he turned the lock in just a way” that it would engage after a few shots, which still means it is physically possible for the lock to engage itself under recoil.

        I have two smiths with locks. If you do not own any, why the fuck did you bring your ugly mug into this conversation?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hillary hole is the devil, have a nice day moron.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a gay

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's an actual problem because it signals S&W as cucked by Hillary, anyone who owns it as cucked by Hillary, it's fucking ugly, and it can cause a failure in the gun. You don't know English. Get Hilldawg's knot out of your ass.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >appeal to emotion
      Of course you have no evidence or reasonable argument against S&W locks, just a bunch of emotional memetic seething. Let the thread get back to big iron already, stop trying, stop replying.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm going to pretend I totally didn't see the video of it happening

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really think that argument is even convince because that would imply that *all* S&W handguns should have a lock. The performance center Shields don't even HAVE safeties. If it was purely a "cucked by Hillary" thing ALL their handguns would have them, but they don't. They don't have a Taurus Millenium G2 style internal lock. I reckon it's more economics of some kind--they already have them, they already make them, so it'd cost more to change it.

      Personally I've genuinely never have seen a revolver lock up. Hilary safety or not I've just never seen it happen.

      I've actually only seen 1 timing issue with a revolver where it just wagged back and forward quite a bit, but it was an extremely old high standard one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *I don't really think that argument is even convincing

        Autocorrect moment

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This dude has been going on for 4 hours defending/strawmanning something he doesn’t even like. What a fucking retard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's amazing how people double down rather than just shut up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's sad

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could be worse, he could be defending .350 Legend.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it can cause a failure in the gun
    >it has proven to cause failures
    >appeal to emotion

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    And you aren't? At this point I'm just mocking you for being such a dunce.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Personally I've genuinely never have seen a revolver lock up. Hilary safety or not I've just never seen it happen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Revolver timing goes out all the time, I dunno if it's any more common on the smith's with the Hillary Hole though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They can lock up for many reasons, for instance the crimp on a round failing and the bullet coming out of the case under recoil, jamming itself against the frame and cylinder locking the gun up. Happens mostly to poor reload/quality ammo and autoloader rounds (9mm mostly).

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$230
    >10rnd
    >space cowboy
    >cheap ammo

    >3a BTFO
    Why are you not buying the spaghetti blaster instead?

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's not a 357 maximum is what

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there anything wrong with buying a new production S&W 629, or am I a fag for buying a new revolver with the cucked lock on it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's a personal choice.
      but imo you'd be a top rate peter puffer.
      get a gently used one without the bitch hole.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would a new production Colt Anaconda be okay, or would I still be the big gay?

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thinking about picking up a 357
    thoughts on redhawk?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not the Gp100?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        8 rounds
        and the redhawk can handle hotter loads

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the chances .350L catches on and becomes cheap and widely available? I want a big iron but the prices on .357 are already too fucking retarded for me.

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