Retard here. Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
Retard here. Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
Retard here. Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
I mean they did it before, and then... didn't do exactly what they had been claiming they were going to do. Which ended up catching the Russians completely off guard with their troops moved to the wrong areas.
>Ukraine announces giant Kherson cunteroffensive
>Russia strengthens defenses there
>surprise attack at Kharkhiv instead
>6 months later
>Ukraine announces cunteroffensive towards the Azov sea
>"yeah right we won't fall for this trick again"
>Russia strengthens defenses in the North
>caught off-guard again when Ukraine does attack in the south as promised
They will to a little offensive at Mariupol but then pontoooon at Kherson mark my words
>We will attack Mariupol
>Ha, not tricking us this time. We're going to reinforce the entire front
>Ukraine launches an amphibious assault on Crimea
>Ukraine launches an amphibious assault on Crimea
Brilliant idea. What could go wrong with that plan? I'm sure that all the Ukrainian generals are taking notes from your posts
Ever heard of irony retard?
>feign an amphibious landing on Crimea
>the troops that were off "training" in America were actually staging for an invasion of Russia via the far east
>Invasion through bering strait
Any hope for some proper furball in the sky above?
announces giant Kherson cunteroffensive
strengthens defenses there
attack at Kharkhiv instead
This isn't what happened, the Kherson offensive did start as intended, it was not a ruse. Kharkiv was a probing attack that turned into a full offensive after noticing defences are weak.
Thanks to US intel, Ukraine can just announce a thing, let the glowies figure out whether the Russians took the bait or not, and then do whatever thing the Russians haven't prepared for.
this is some retarded middle schooler reverse psychology shit going on here.
If it works it works.
The brits pulled of something like that during ww2
Here is a link to Lindybeiges video on some british deceptions: https://youtu.be/6ZYadpxoUbc
I think the operation bertram is the part of video explaining highschool lvl deception. Keep in mind, more subtle deceptions arent known to the public so it could be
>just a feint
>I mean they did it before
...When?
Kherson-Kharkiv shuffle from the prior year.
There was no "shuffle". Ukraine burned out their first wave of recruits there, that's all. They're already having trouble finding volunteers at this point.
Whatever the Russians do, if it comes to thinning lines where Ukrainians could attack, they will know it and attack. Because of US and EU assisted surveillance and intelligence.
>George W Bush's ukrainian lovechild
As an Iraqi, I want to throw my chancla at him.
> as an Iraqi
>As an Iraqi
>chancla
Sure thing, Pablo Muhammad Morales.
He's Jeb's, he spread his seed far and wide.
>George W Bush's ukrainian lovechild
So that's the Bush connection.
Did we discover the clinton tie yet?
Based as fuck, wonder if the son's reflexes are as good as the father's.
That gif with the WOW icons is burned into my brain forever
>2 months!
Sad and pathetic. Yet, PrepHole claims that it's Russia that's out of steam
Steam has been sanctioned, fortunately Russia has unlimited supplies of hot air.
Underrated
Only you had ever claimed that in your strawmanning, glavset hooker
tourist here, why does k poopoo russia?
Armatard. Armata + Retard. Basically lying russian shills which have camped out on the board shitting up any thread which could possibly be construed as russia vs. West in any way.
tl;dr is the kind of people who came on PrepHole for years - Libertarian larpers and Gun Rightists. People who were in the service. Hawkish EEuropoors and generally doods who are into freedumz and against tyranny.
Russia is all of that.
Add in a massive tourist influx from other boards and other sites that are curious about war shit now that it's happening and you get a mix that's extremely hostile to Russia and their attempts at psy-ops on the Anglosphere internet.
To such a degree it's hilariously easy to troll people on here now with boneshatteringly stupid bait and they still take it.
>le funny 2 number
ukies are just shitposting
Are you implying mighty PUCCIA, with her satellites, spies, and communications intelligence has no clue where forces and supplies are being moved, and has to refresh news outlets looking for juicy interviews to warn them of imminent enemy offensives?
Didn't seem to help them much last year
yes
No, we're implying that no competent Russian has the courage to pierce the disinformation bubble that Putin has surrounded himself with. So nobody dares tell him anything that might shatter the illusion that Russia is a global superpower, for fear of being defenestrated.
Certainly didn't help the Izyum collapse kek.
Well vatnigs do claim that they need Reddit pictures to strike the 80 year old liviv army training base. Since apparently nobody had the idea that a large army base close to the boarder was a military target before that. Soooooo
>PUCCIA, with her satellites
Glonass is confirmed shit, and werent they caught buying sat images from chinks before?
if your aim is to bamboozle them, yes it is.
literally look at last summer:
>announce kherson offensive
>ruaf pulls troops from kharkiv to kherson
>attack kharkiv and win big
I miss the vatnik twitter offensive cope.
The operation that finally broke copelord's fragile psyche and deprived us of tons of comedy gold
Vatniks got their shit pushed in but what is worth the price of losing the copelord and his crumbling hairline?
I don't know.
He was going to break sooner or later.
Is his twitter completely gone or does some sneaky anon still have access?
Don't cry anon. I will always be with you.
I miss him bros
he truly definitely left the internet forever did he not? But it was truly incredible to see how he just doubled down after being shown to be monumentally wrong every single time. I would've killed to see his reaction during Kherson especially after he staunchly declared Izyum was the last grasp committing the very absolute last of Ukraine's army.
They're still operating, check this thread out:
i specially loved how they destroyed the kherson bridges, so even if they wanted, the russians couldnt move troops to kharkov
what id give to be a fly on the wall of the russian war room when the vatniks generals realized how utterly fucked they were
>offensive in 2 months
>actually starts in 1 month
>Pussya BTFO again
>fortifications built
>units refitted and resupplied
>hundreds of thousands of new troops trained and assembled
Ukronazis will smash themselves against Russian defenses
Kek the delusion
He's correct about fortifications tough. One of the reasons why Kharkiv front collapsed so easily was the lack of fortified positions for Russians to withdraw to. But they've been building layered defensive lines all over Zaporozhia for months. Even shitty trech filled with mobiks is still an obstacle you have to overcome and if nothing else it serves as a hurdle to buy time for reserves to get into positions.
Ukies won't be able to replicate fast smash and grab from the last summer because conditions hace changed drastically.
JDAMs take care of this very well as trenches and strongpoints cannot move
Ukraine has been a brilliant proxy war and logistical success for the USA
Idk man. I wish you were right and I really hope those built up Ukie reserves will tear vatties a new asshole but at the same time I know the situation is simply not the same as it was last year. And I still remeber that awful grind at Snihurivka.
I think Ukies really missed an opportunity in January when the ground was frozen for few weeks to attack Svatove as it would force Russians to allocate resources at the far flank of the front. Even if the action wouldn't result in retaking of the city Ukies would keep the initiative deciding where the battles are fought instead of passive defending like they are doing now.
It's an open steppe in the South... I doubt the fortifications will help much...
It might be an effective strategy when you are relying on foreign donations so much. Making claims like this keeps Zelensky and the war in the news in the west, gives populations in donator countries something to look forwards to and puts pressure on politicians to pick up the pace of donations to be "on time for the offensive".
Ukrainian government with Zelensky is pioneering a whole new style of propaganda.
It's a trick. It's actually in two weeks.
I mean, it is kind of obvious that something will happen in May when the ground dries up, no?
It's like saying "water is wet".
What? Would a politician really go out in public and just lie to everybody?
The Anti-Human ZIONIST have lost and they are dragging the west down with them
oh shit he knows, shut it down!
Russia isn't stupid enough to fall for this stunt again are they?
It's not like the vatniks can stop them even when they know what's coming
I was inclined to agree, but then I remembered Kursk. Given enough time to prepare, even the Russians can become difficult to topple over.
Anyone remember what happened the last time they started saying stuff like this?
The Kherson counter-offensive is misremembered as not happening. It had been happening for a while before the big retreat, but it was tough going. Ukraine couldn't do what it can now with ranged attacks on areas of force concentration 150km out from the front.
I mean people are broadly right in that Ukes announce this shit to get RF reacting. That much is true.
Is there a lot of insurgent activity in Kherson? Considering how 99% of the people there voted to join Russia, you'd think the hohol occupiers would be dealing with IEDs and snipers 24/7
>Considering how 99% of the people there voted to join Russia
Ah yes, a very reliable vote as attested by international observers, as democratic as the elections held periodically in Cuba.
>hohol
>muh 99% pro-votenik
>why haven't you killed even more of us
patience vatshill, patience
You mean the vote that had people escorted to the polls by armed invaders?
The thing about that is they needed constant contact to make sure Russia was using men and supplies to defend Kherson, while at the same time making it difficult to resupply.
Small arms ammo had been well stockpiled, but food, armour and artillery shells were becoming extremely scarce.
The attack was intended to drain Russia of resources faster than resupply. They could have probably done it eventually just by hitting supply routes constantly but they needed to throw bodies at it to make it go faster.
Russia had quite a few small collapses on that front over the couple months it took to leave, including a shaping attack that they said was "a penetration attack we surrounded and destroyed" on the rybar cope map, which Ukraine was technically still in control of on all later maps despite being "destroyed" before the first major collapse that lost major territory, as Russia feared a pincer.
Then months went by and the rest collapsed as Ukraine used the Rivers hilly undulations as a cover like they had previously, while Russian artillery that would have protected Russians were basically stuck being counter artie'd hard as they were all visible for 40km due to flat fields being shit for cover.
It was fun to watch.
The whole point is to cause force concentration. It works. RF does learn from its mistakes, but at the same time reflexively makes the same mistakes over and over again, but is quicker to correct them. Much of the broadcasting of the counter-offensive has been followed with areas of force concentration getting murked.
>Retard here
They did the same thing last year. Say shit, do other shit. Or maybe this year they're saying what they're actually doing. Well in either case it is unclear from statements and that's all that matters
If they are announcing to the press, they have a pre-planned and controlled message in mind.
They said the invasion would take "two weeks" just like this "two months" so we will see, but it seems they just want to prolong the war
They are saying: We want the war to continue, we will drag it out
Meanwhile, Christians in Ukraine are being suppressed by the state for seeking peace talks
>Meanwhile, Christians in Ukraine are being suppressed by the state for seeking peace talks
Rajesh my cousin, you can help them by pressing Modi to tell Putin to fuck off
Just like when they let the Russians know they were retaking Kherson, then went straight to Karkhiv.
>let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive
There really isn't a wide time window for an offensive in Ukraine. I feel like everyone already knows when the right time for an offensive is.
>I feel like everyone already knows when the right time for an offensive is.
if you ask Putin he says you'll do it during the rasputitsa or you get thrown out of the window
Only NPCs wait for the mud to dry up. True Free Thinkers don't have those sorts of inhibitions.
Than wouldn’t the solution for the Russian MoD be to keep the mud wet than?
When the fucking mud dries up. The Russians didn't seem to know about this, though.
The real question is will they be able to do anything against western armor
>will they be able to do anything against western armor
Yes. Asbolutely. Western armor is not magical. They are still vulnerable to ATGMs and artillery. Also, the actually modern armor that Ukraine might recieve, eventually, is a just a small number, most of the promised tanks are Leo 1s.
The effectiveness of western armor in this war will depend on how well can the Ukrainians implement them
>Western armor is not magical.
true, but the Russians don't know that, they have lost science and do believe in magic
Right. Sure, man
they can no longer fabricate either vacuum tubes or integrated circuitry, its literally like arcane magic to them
Ok
They believe in witchcraft enough to claim Ukraine is using it. The copium is real.
https://ria.ru/20220504/magiya-1786707582.html
>Be Russian
>Hundreds of years of autocratic rule, institutional theft and serfdom.
They're quite literally subhuman. Evolutionary pressure has bent the Russian genome to fit a need to be ignorant, even downright stupid, to survive.
You dont know about PSYOPS?
I’m not prorussian, but i can’t help but feel empathy to those poor mobiks that had a peacefull life just a few months ago, just caring about their families and their jobs, and are now stuck in trenches under heavy shelling and drone attacks. Obviously, it’s the same for some ukrainians - not the football neonazis hooligans, fuck those -, but at least they think they are risking their lives for their country. Even if it’s a little misguided, they at least have some motivations, personal reasons to be there.
I can’t help but think that things wouldn’t have turn this way if our governments and corrupted elites hadn’t poored fuel on the fire for years. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories or nefarious hidden plans... just selfish interests of many groups medling in a chaotic way that ended just pushing the situation a little too far until the whole thing exploded in everyone’s face.
What worries me is that no one is stepping back, the whole year has been of ramping up the conflict, playing with fire.
I think Ukraine should be a warning to everyone, that playing with fire end up blowing in your face.
I just want to go back to a safer world, before Ukraine, before Covid, before 911... maybe even before the fall of USSR, when things were more stable and under control, because people knew back then that chaos lead to the destruction of everyone.
Really if NATO had really wanted to prevent this war the best thing they could have done was let Ukraine in back in 2008 after Georgia.
Putin would have given up on Ukraine and we'd be talking about Russia's curbstomp of Belarus right now.
>I think Ukraine should be a warning to everyone, that playing with fire end up blowing in your face.
Unironically the only party at fault is Russia. The actual civilized world gets along quite well all things considered and can work out most things out by talking, but schizo revanchist authoritarian governments just cant help themselves and are a danger to the world and the people living in it.
>revanchist
irrendentist, revanchism is what Russia feels against powerful western countries like Germany and England and France and the USA, irredentism is what it feels for independent countries that it previously used to control like Ukraine, Poland, Kazakhstan, Finland etc
Wow anon so deep. I now realise that it's actually our fault that Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022. If only Ukraine hadn't dared to want to align with Europe instead of Russia and we hadn't "poured fuel" on the situation when Russia invaded them as punishment for it 9 years ago.
What an organic and balanced post. I'm really questioning the rules based global order now and think we shouldn't act in Russia's sphere of influence. I'm demoralised completely. Why can't we get any international relations right?
>not the football neonazis hooligans, fuck those
kek, reminds me pre-2022 when western media was run by glavset hookers, VICE tried to interview the spooky volunteer forces to bait them to say they are nazis and they just said they are anarchists and the interviewer got dumbfounded lol
>i can’t help but feel empathy to those poor mobiks
>and are now stuck in trenches
They are not in war, Russians could have not go to recruitment center, could have shot commissar, and they can always go home. Each Russian soldier made their choice so now they die for it
Don't.
https://nitter.nl/Tatarigami_UA/status/1632978756250882050
>Zelensky: We will attack with a YUGE BIGLY army in 2 months.
Scenario 1:
>Banan Man: Quick Grogu, we have to muster a bigger force at once to meet their attack!
>Banan troopers wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...
>12 months later they're still waiting for it and starving and cold and want to go home while draining the resources of mother russia
Scenario 2:
>Banan Man: Phew, we have two whole months to relax and wind down operations and prepare for the next attempt at fruitless irrendentism!
>Ukies pounce on Crimea a week later
No one's "pouncing" on Crimea. They would have to take Melitopol first which is a massive job in itself and would double the length of the front. Unless the Russian lines back there are completely fragile (they shouldn't be they've been reinforced for almost a year now) that exposed the UAF horrendously. Any offensive now is incredibly risky for Ukraine which is why they're so tentative.
>it must be true the caption wouldn't lie
those are collaborators getting what they deserve
Yes. It demoralizes them when you tell them exactly what you're going to do while they are completely powerless to stop it.
Russia has an upcoming biannual conscription coming up in April as opposed to the wide spread conscription that we saw last fall/winter. Theory seems to be Putin wants to do another big wave of conscription in the summer, but if he tries to do it while the regular conscription is going on it'll just gum up the works and leave him with a force he is completely unable to train and supply in a reasonable time.
So an entire generation of Russian 18 year olds are going to just die then this year I guess?
Considering their birthrates, unironically yes.
Hopefully.
what about mobilising those that were conscripted last year and are finishing their year long conscription?
They are trained, young, away from the civilian life for 12 months already, easy to mobilise into the active military without dragging anyone out of their job and family.
That’s what? easy 100k new soldiers, no?
Going by the (alleged) numbers, the 155th Naval Infantry brigade that just got lit up so heavily in Vuledar has already been reconstituted 7 times in the past year. Now they're supposedly having to merge it with the 38th brigade just to keep it afloat. Point being the only reason you saw such wide spread mass conscription late last year was because the regular conscription just wasn't able to keep up with rates of attrition. That would suggest those regularly scheduled conscripts from last year likely suffered heavy casualties already.
Are you maybe confusing the normal April conscription of youngsters and the mobilisation of ”adults” in septembre. The conscripts, as far as I know, were not sent to the battlefield unless they managed to be convinced or forced to sign a contract. The conscripts from 2021 that ”inadvertantly” were part of the initial invasion are a whole another thing too.
The April 2022 conscripts shouldn’t have any major casualties outside the regular accidents and suicides.
That was admittedly more speculation on my part than anything. With as desperate as Russia has been for bodies over the past year, I'd just be surprised if they hadn't been tapped at least to some extent already. Hardly impossible for me to be mistaken though.
It's not like the Russians aren't going to realise they're under attack when it starts, and they're not going to be able to trust anything that Ukraine says so it won't change their planning either. Nobody is going to sit back and say "well they SAID they weren't going to attack until May so I guess we can chill out until then".
What really annoys me is the misuse of the word counter-offensive. It's not a counter-offensive unless it's countering an offensive. This is just an offensive.
yeah, it's a good idea if you plan on doing something else, ie attacking earlier...
i wouldn't worry about it OP; Ukraine has shown total mastery over the media space for this entire conflict and i doubt they're going to start fucking up now.
Real offensive starts August 10th-13th. Everything happening now and everything before then is to keep the Russians pinned where they are and complacent. You won't see any new Western fighting vehicles or Western trained units before then. Russia will be fully out of Ukraine including Crimea before the snow falls again. t. knower
maybe they're trying to demoralize Russia and/or force Russia to hold back on the frontlines and keep reserves.
i dunno it sounds retarded though. sometimes Ukrainian command acts like retarded vodka morons
It feels like after mobilisation there's not really going to be any Kharkiv-style massive gains of territory because Russia can just send in wave after wave of conscripts. Kherson was just as much due to Ukraine making it logistically impossible for Russia to hold onto Kherson than it was Ukraine actually pushing and taking territory, and what fighting did occur was incredibly bloody.
What targets can Ukraine go for that aren't massively fortified areas that can be flooded with conscripts turning it into a slow mobik meat grinder to hold territory, since the South and the Donbass directions are heavily fortified with lines of trenches and conscripts.
>Russia can just send in wave after wave of conscripts
Backed up by the finest kit the motherland can provide! Watch out, Bradley cyka
Why can't Russians make something cool with their MT-LBs?
This. The quick victory at Kharkiv was in part due to Russia not having enough manpower in the field and needing to move troops from one area to protect another area under attack. Other occupied territories do not offer the advantange of having a river that could allow Ukraine to easily isolate cities and make the logistics for the Russian troops in the area near impossible.
Kherson was already a ver slow and costly push, Donbas will be hellish. Tho you can also argue that Ukraine was attacking both Kherson and Kharkiv roughly at the same time, so maybe if they concentrate troops in just one area things can move a little bit faster.
We won't know until may/april tho. For now all we can do is speculate. I will remain relatively skeptical about a significant braktrhough into Donbas until I see it
Yeah, I hope I'm wrong. I don't know anything about warfare so maybe the new tanks and training will allow them to push better and quicker in a way they couldn't do initially in Kherson, even with more Russian manpower, but I don't know. Feels like the worst case scenario of a horrible slog over the course of months is coming up where it's just a battle of attrition for both sides, but with Ukraine pushing instead of Russia.
>I will remain relatively skeptical about a significant braktrhough into Donbas until I see it
why would anyone attack through Donbass?
now the river is in the way
>Russia can just send in wave after wave of conscripts
I imagine this ability diminishes the further away from Russian borders you get. Also, collaborators are already fleeing the occupied part of the Kherson region.
I honestly think the chance of an outright Russia victory vanished forever here. They have no viable way of crossing the Dnieper ever again (I doubt the Ukrainians could pull it off under fire either also). If the worst case scenario war goes to shit Ukraine could always pull back across the river and just hold the crossings indefinitely.
>2023 year of the Lord
>Russians believe internet ramblings
Kek
maybe they announce their feints ahead of time
Feinting in summer seems like a bad idea, especially after they've bled out so much over one town.
>Ukraine doesn't have a civil war that makes bugpeople wars look tame
>Ukraine doesn't have a culture of raping subordinates
>Ukraine doesnt have the highest aids rate of any white country
>Ukraine didn't get humiliated by a country 1/4th its size
idk seems like a win. I know that seems hard to comprehend for a vatmoron who thinks at a early hominid level.
>tldr; kys retard
holy shit you're so mad lmao. "Learn to speak English" while being a fucking shitskin. Do the world a favor and end your bloodline here and now, your mom wishes she swallowed you.
>read a book
Tell me. What did I say that was incorrect? You can't, because again, you have the IQ of an early hominid and the reading comprehension of a moron.
>Retard here. Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
it's an open secret, all these new fany western tanks would be stuck in mud if they attack earlier
hopefully the good guys finally win
There aren't even good guys alive on this planet anymore, let alone involved in this conflict. Russia losing is a preferable outcome, but at best it will only restore the status quo back to what was established after germany lost ww2 in the first place
bullshit. The whites and some morons are the good guys.
>know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
They're fighting in the Ukrainian mudpit. It's no secret that you generally can't do offensives in feb-april there. Both sides will commence new attacks in may-june so long as they're capable of such, it always happens in every war.
>Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?
Yes, it has been proven to be a good idea in the past. And seeing how the russian took the bait without hesitation last time, now they won't know what to do. It's basically the princess bride paradox applied to modern warfare
>Ukraine is going to start an offensive at the best time of the year for an offensive
The Hohols hubris will be their downfall, revealing their cards like this, only two more weeks until the Russian Army has the perfect counter for their plan.
It is, the point is not to win on the battlefield anytime soon but to attract more foundings and materials
Actually kys millennial POS, big daddy roosiya aint here to save your stupid ass nor are they even going to acknowledge your ZOV simping. Go work your broke ass at that 9-5 job of yours and still complain about society, you broke bitch. Commit suicide now.
Why do they have to announce this shit.
>Ukraine War: Spring Offensive™ DLC is coming out on April 28th! Make sure to log in and claim your prize before the time runs out!
They rely on western support and in west you need public to support this shit. So yeah, they are making E3-tier announcements for headlines to keep public engaged, doesn't mean they'll actually exactly what they say
>Retard here. Is it a good idea to let your enemy know your strategy and when you're going to launch an offensive?