Reports of AK's getting Jammed by dust from heavy Artillery Bombardment

Does the AR even have a chance in such environments?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YA
      it's not jam in AR, it's "TACTICAL STOPPAGE"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Newfag

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah
        Fuck ya mudda
        Fuck Yeah Mudda

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We don't call it a "Tactical Stoppage" anymore, we call it an "Offensive Pause".

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In general, ARs tighter fit makes them fare better against ingress of outside material and AKs looser fit and larger controls makes fare better against extreme cold or when maintenance is neglected long term.
    So probably would probably be better at resisting there specific circumstances.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually wrong, there was a reason why there were so many BCMs and KACs failing overseas. Bits of sand would get into it and render them tight tolerances redundant.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Citation needed*

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          His source is Steve of Idaho Oblast. His US FSB group told him.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No you fucking retard, the inner components having a tighter fit has nothing to do with preventing ingress. The thing that matter is the closure of gaps and ports between the outside and the inside. You could have a gun with 1mm clearances inside and as long as they have a dust cover it'd have absolutely no ingress.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    Yes actually.
    AKs can tolerate dust and dirt ingress to an extent, but if you get enough in there they will lock up like any mechanical device. Gun won't work if there's built up silt in the locking lug recesses and the bolt can't rotate into it for instance.
    ARs by contrast are more sensitive to these sorts of things since the gaps that can get plugged up are narrower, however they are very good at keeping the dust out in the first place since there are fewer and smaller gaps on the outside of the gun. Comparing the ejection ports alone shows a day and night difference where on the AK you have a huge slot for the charging handle that's only kinda loosely covered by the safety when it is engaged, where on the AR the charging handle is at the top/back, there's an effective dust cover and even without that there's a fairly tight seal between the bolt carrier and port when the BCG is forward.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BUt with the inherent failure during wartime is in the history books. Cold and heat sensitive, a flake of dust no less hours of near direct hits from artillery shells, you spending a hour or more with your face in the ground. DO you really think that AR is going to fire? ANd how are you going to clean it in that environment

      • 4 weeks ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        >Do you really think an AR is going to fire?
        Yes. As long as it's lubricated and the dust largely stays out there's a good chance.
        >How are you going to clean it?
        You're going to have to find as clean and non dusty place as you can and get scrubbing if something is in there. If you are just trying to keep it running hosing the thing down with lubricant is usually sufficient.

        Doesn't mean the rifle will be for sure 100% reliable in that environment, but it has a fairly good chance.

        AKs are good at tolerating dirt and dust getting in, but only to a point. Once it gets nasty enough you'll be scrubbing it like anything else. G3, G36, AUG, literally anything out there has a limit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wumbo, good to see you buddy.

          Christ, we really are here forever arent we

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BUt with the inherent failure during wartime is in the history books.
        The most famous such failures were I a place that is notably humid, not dusty.
        It was largely the result of improper loadings at the munitions facrory.
        >Cold and heat sensitive,
        Cold yes, heat not really.
        > a flake of dust
        Will not gum up any AR style rifle.
        >no less hours of near direct hits from artillery shells, you spending a hour or more with your face in the ground.
        That be war.
        >DO you really think that AR is going to fire?
        Yes. Shut the dust port when your not firing and maybe cover the barrel but tbh, I never had this problem.
        >ANd how are you going to clean it in that environment
        When I was in Afghanistan, living in a dusty qulat we cleaned our M4s every Monday morning, as well as any time we'd been in a firefight (which were basically daily Spring-Autumn).
        This was never a burden and dust never once became an issue.
        Disassemble the weapon, dip a qtip with CLP and put a VERY light coating of oil on the bolt carrier group.
        Always a light coating in dusty places and a medium coating in humid places.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So what you're saying is people should be using automotive grease mixed with motor oil.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wumbo, good to see you buddy.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think we'd see appreciably different failure rates from modern AR-platform rifles than with these AKs.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Keep the dust cover closed. Dump a bunch of lube in through the ejection port and manually cycle the action a bunch before use.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No you fucking retard, the inner components having a tighter fit has nothing to do with preventing ingress. The thing that matter is the closure of gaps and ports between the outside and the inside. You could have a gun with 1mm clearances inside and as long as they have a dust cover it'd have absolutely no ingress.

      >dust cover
      Can't very well keep the dust cover closed and actually fucking use the gun. What the fuck are you going to do reach up there and close it after every single shot?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in between every time you need to shoot, yes

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still gives time for ingress in between shots of one bout of shooting.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the DI system has the side effect of blowing dust out of the action fairly reliably

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which is part of why it's better suited for this role than the AK despite both having dust covers.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Couldn't it just as easily blow it back into the inside of the receiver?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you fucking retarded?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it blows dust from the inside of the bullet into the receiver every time u shoot it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's just a matter of dust cover design you unimaginative braindead bastard.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cut AK in half
    >"wtf guys why is dust getting in my gun?"

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all of these noguns coming out of the woodwork to talk about their >weapon platforms

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks like the weakest structural point on the AK is the base of the stock where those two wood screws are!

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guess what retard if you pour enough sand or dirt into a single barrel shotgun or single shot rifle it will still break. AKs are not magical

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >don't do maintenance on gun
    >it breaks
    WOOOOOOWWWWWW
    People act like guns are magical machines that have supernatural properties or supernatural deficiencies, when in reality they're just a machine and if shit gums up the works then of course it breaks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doing maintenance
      are you some type of peasant?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hey snapper head I just reporting what UKies are complaining about waiting to die in their trenches. The bombardments are causing their basic rifles to not work from fucking dust. Also the western war doctrine is about getting shelled until your shit yourself. Yet its been wars doctrine since they invented the canon. The Vietnamese didnt have artillery nor the Iraqies or Afganistaisms. So the AR is not going to work anymore if we fight the russians
      >Imagine the smell

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the Kalashnikov is having issues in the dust
        >this means that the Amerikanskis are FINISHED gg no re
        lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Vietnamese
        >didn't have artillery
        How to let people know you know nothing about the wars in Vietnam and only like to recite R*ddit memes without saying you know nothing about the wars in Vietnam.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is a bunch of bullshit, you can't get dust in a rifle without being in a dust storm in a desert.

        [...]

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AR has far better chances in dry, dusty environments. It's the cold and wet environments where the AK does marginally better.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dust covers have been sold off for change by constcripts and quartermasters pls understadn

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek this is bait and I love it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who's the fag on the left in the window (I recognize the rest of the fags)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        JohnsonFingers on YouTube.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AK platform weapons have an open gap in the upper that will let in all kinds of nastiness behind the bolt, resulting in jams. WW2/Korean War era US rifles have this same problem, which is part of the reason the AR platform was adopted.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but all you need to do is pop off the receiver cover and piss the dirt out and your back in the fight. cant do that with an AR

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