>Die for Israel
You'd never join any military unless you were drafted
Being a soldier/mercenary necessities a certain mindset that you don't have, so you'd rather wageslave for Israel of be a drain on the state for Israel rather than fingerfrick funs and kill towel heads
Pussy, YWNBAS
Imagine being recently retired commanding officer of military intelligence brigade, yet being stupid enough to post pictures of furgay orgy featuring you and junior officers and enlisted men of your brigade on social media and getting investigated for all that shit after retiring. Guy whose tweet and picture you posted doesn't have to imagine.
>goy military >spends his free time learning and arguing about the zog soldiers
pathetic, maybe go learn Hebrew next so you can talk about how its an ugly language
moron no one gives a shit about the US's moronic naming conventions for it's special forces
Calling a special forces group - special forces is beyond moronic and meant adding in another stupid word into name
If you don't know the basic minimum of info, your opinion is useless. Call all US SOF special forces and you'll be instantly outed as the mongoloid you are.
Yes we know you call all special forces SOF, it's basic information you dumb c**t
It doesn't make it less stupid, it's just a retroactive fix to the special forces originally being an all encompassing group, and the tab being handed to all 'SOF' (IE special forces) retroactively
Frick you're stupid, learn the basic minimum of info before you ape something again
>Yes we know you call all special forces SOF, it's basic information you dumb c**t
Except you didn't know that basic info or you wouldn't be referring to Rangers as special forces. No one cares about what the rest of the world does because the US has the most elite SOF units and the best military in general.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes I do you fricking moron
Special forces existed before a poorly named group of the US Army existed you absolute moron
That's why ONLY the US created the term SOF, because they confused themselves upon deciding that you could ape all sorts of commandos
The green beret is also an ape, fricking moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Keep coping with being a moronic europoor, now post gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Loses argument >Seethes
Kek, fricking stupid monkey that you are
1 year ago
Anonymous
So not only are you moronic, you don't own any guns. Bit weird innit for you to post on k.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why are you so mad about your shitty ebonics attempt at language?
Or lack of information about your own military pre dating the 80s?
Embarrassing
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's embarrassing not owning any guns, maybe get some airshit to fill the void your down syndrome has created. You'd better cool it with the hate speech before the coppas arrest you.
Not him but I have no idea what the frick you are spazzing on about
SOF is for everything for facilitating a unique mission. You have direct action units like MARSOC and Rangers, but also have support like 160th, PJs, Combat Controllers, JTACS and shit but then you also have unique assets like 95th Civil Affairs, PsyOps nerds, and SFAB.
SF is SF. They aren't for direct actionxlike Rangers they are for taking a single building in a complicated situation and usually are just training foreign SF.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I know exactly what SOF is and means, read the thread
It's what everyone (yes, everyone) called special forces before the homosexual obsession with them and the death of actual service for infantrymen
1 year ago
Anonymous
You will never be an infantryman either. You're a butthurt fat frick arguing about straw men.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lmao, I'm arguing about the language that your pigshit brain can't comprehend
It's embarrassing not owning any guns, maybe get some airshit to fill the void your down syndrome has created. You'd better cool it with the hate speech before the coppas arrest you.
>Still seething >Bix nood muvahfricka
Go pick up a history book
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'm arguing about the language
Exactly.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's not a straw man you fricking moron, that's the whole premise of the argument
Go frick yourself Don Quixote
1 year ago
Anonymous
>aaaah i'm redditing over something i don't understand and will never be and i'm mad about it!
1 year ago
Anonymous
How does it feel that a cheeky mutt like me can own a gun your government's arms factory built and you can't even carry around a non-locking pocket knife.
1 year ago
Anonymous
what gun is that?
roller delayed blowback so I'm guessing a g3 or mp5, given it's made by the British it may also be some other gun I dont know of tho since none of these 2 are British made
1 year ago
Anonymous
MP5 built/assembled in 1981 by the Royal Small Arms Factory in Enfield using HK parts. They were created to bypass strict German arms export laws so that HK guns could be sold to countries that Germany prohibited (e.g., Iraq, West Germany, Yugoslavia, etc.). There was a scandal over it when it came to light, see the articles below.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-sleazy-state-royal-ordnance-exported-weapons-to-east-germany-arms-deals-1429337.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sniper-rifles-supplied-to-serbs-despite-sanctions-1469942.html
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Germany prohibited >West Germany
Are you 12? Did your parents hit you in head with hammer on daily basis when you were kid? Modern Germany is West Germany.
1 year ago
Anonymous
he probably meant east germany, don't be a disingenuous moron
I doubt you have good SF/SOF definitions. This thread reeks of morons that think SF just means they're better infantry that get 100% headshots while everyone else has stormtrooper accuracy.
>doesn't know about that one deployment where a ranger platoon dropped 2,000 hajis >doesn't know the majority of cag is made up of former batt bois >doesn't know they're more proficient than a seal team >doesn't know they're literally described as America's premier raid force
Someone didn't get their slot in RASP and it shows lol. I'm angry I didn't get the option 40 either but I don't talk from my ass because of it.
They're Special Operations not SF. They're used extensively as rapidly deployable direct action when you need a force as large as a conventional battalion.
Like some anon says it's just a bunch of kids that want to slot bodies like in Call of Duty but actually have the fitness level to do so instead of being some bumfrick 11B in the 3rd ID that never put a packet in "but totally could hack it."
Little ranger story:
Back when my father did his mandatory service in the 70s in Bavaria (germany) there was an exercise two times a year with US soldiers, where army rangers had to move through a forest withouth being noticed by the german soldiers (to be).
Turns out the he and his comrades just lied down in the bushes and didn't make a sound because the rangers would punch the shit out of you if you called out that you noticed them.
>Seems like a glorified crew
Maybe. But I don't know anybody else training for and running _battalion_ level raids on the regular, at least in the US armed forces.
Platoon mainly - One Squad lays down a heavy "base of fire" on the Objefctive area, another Squad is the "support Squad" (i.e. they lay another "base of fire" or they even actively partake in the raid w/ the last Squad), and the last Squad (or Squads - depending on PLT TO&E) is the "Main Raiding Squad" (i.e. the guys that infiltrate The Objective Area and steal shit - since most Raids are mainly done for quickly hitting and getting the frick outta there).
Since a Raid is an offensive operation you need to ensure that you have 3 of your guys to 1 of the enemy (e.g. IF a enemy unit securing a depot for ammunition and arms is known to be 2 squads big (however big a squad is) then you'd need 2 Platoons (1 Platoon having 3 Squads Each)).
Platoon mainly - One Squad lays down a heavy "base of fire" on the Objefctive area, another Squad is the "support Squad" (i.e. they lay another "base of fire" or they even actively partake in the raid w/ the last Squad), and the last Squad (or Squads - depending on PLT TO&E) is the "Main Raiding Squad" (i.e. the guys that infiltrate The Objective Area and steal shit - since most Raids are mainly done for quickly hitting and getting the frick outta there).
thanks, but isn't there a point when it gets so big that it's not a raid anymore but a normal offensive operation?
I imagine the raid can be done because the units small and skilled enough to get in and out quickly and not be detected getting in
Well some larger scale raids could just mostly be done to "probe an area" for a response from OPFOR - e.g. how The Germans ALWAYS would do probing "Raids" and "Attacks" before an actual "Main Offensive" mainly so they can get a feel as to where to start suppressing with CAS as well as other means to "break" the Enemy's Front.
GENERALLY Raids of The 75th Ranger Regiment HAS to be large because they don't know if there's a QRF (Quick Reaction Force - Enemy Mechanized Infantry) in the area that could LITERALLY mop the floor with 75th Rangers OR if they could wind up in another "Hot Night in Mogadishu" (e.g. "Blackhawk Down" or "Operation Gothic Serpent"). Also I recall that The SAS also does "Squadron" tactics (e.g. the "Sabre Squadron" which is part of The SAS Regiment).
Also, most SOCOM Units mostly do mission sets that Conventional Troops aren't really worth being used on (e.g. HVT Capture, Joint Missions w/ Intel on a known HVT that has "Intelligence Worthy" Materials, Finding and Capturing Saddam/Whatever former Head Of State).
I still like the ideas of SOCOM, Special Forces, and "Unconventional Warfare", however, also at the same time I like some aspects of Conventional Warfare - mainly Armor/Mechanized Infantry, Marine Expeditionary Units, Air Wings, and even ACRs.
3:1 offensive rule is "minimum force" and 3:1 is a heuristic and not a hard rule. Also depending on the type of assault you might want 11:1 or greater as a minimum force, because a well executed mission has fewer casualties for the attacker.
Also in addition to raw numbers you want intel, ISR, air support, artillery support, logistical and medical support, blocking, screening, and flank protecting units and the whole shebang. Only Russia is moronic enough to crash human waves of conscripts over and over again.
Well anon I've been thinking up hypothetical Conventional Units (e.g. a Armored Brigade with a Infantry RCT and a Artillery Regiment - both who have their own RCT Support Bns w/ Forward Support Companies attached from the BSB).
>I conceived of an idea to have a Guerrilla Unit move behind enemy lines dressed as Civilian Refugees
As long as they change into uniform before they attack it is not a warcrime. However they may be considered spies of caputred during infiltration (not in uniform).
I mean that's generally the idea - infil as refugees, get geared up and attack when "night sets" (since Night Attacks are more ideally suited given the advances in NVGs and all - SURE the enemy could drop flares on the area but then it'd piss the civvies off at night).
Also in my hypothetical ABCT - the Engineer Battalion not only contains an A Company & B Company but also specifically it contains a Signal Company, Intel Company, EW (ECM heavy but also could be split between ELINT and E2CM) Platoon, and a MP Platoon (to provide Security on the move).
Marine Expeditionary Units Special Operations Capable MEUSOC Battalion Landing Teams BLT have raids, hostage rescue, Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel in their evaluation and workups prior to deployment.
Marine Corps MEUSOC BLT's are constantly running battalion level raids in the First, Second and Third Marine Divisions.
Fair point regarding battalion sized assaults. But correct me where I'm wrong here: An MEU is typically a single sized infantry battalion, along with aviation and logistics battalions, and any escort ships. This single battalion will train for and execute anything from amphibous raids, urban sniper, evac, humanitarian aid, TRAP, and a host of other bullshit that drops in their lap during a 6 month deployment.
You see what I'm getting at? Not shitting on the concept, but you see the difference in mission set between these and the 75th?
The MEUSOC is not just a concept. The USMC has been using the MEUSOC frame work since before Operation Sharp Edge in 1990. Operation Sharp Edge is a good example of the MEUSOC BLT's capabilities combined with the ability to stand off shore on US Navy shipping.
During the civil war in Liberia Africa Joint Special Operations Command at the request of the US State Department and the US Ambassador to Liberia Africa tasked the 26th MEU which was embarked aboard naval shipping on the way to the Mediterranean Sea to prepare to reinforce the US Marine Security Guard Detachment at the Liberian embassy.
The fleet stood over the horizon off the coast of Liberia out of sight until the US ambassador request the Battalion Landing Team. The Marine Security Guard detachment prepared the embassy grounds for the waves of CH-46 helicopters that began bringing in the BLT . Cobra gunships and Harrier jump jets provided overhead cover.
Ch 46's also evacuated foreign nationals from the US embassy. The CH46's carried civilians from the embassy to the LHA . The civilians were processed on the hangar deck and then loaded onto CH53's which carried them to the civilian airfield in Sierra Leone Africa.Operation Sharp Edge was the largest evacuation of civilians and noncombatants since Saigon Vietnam.
Here here anon. I for one would LOVE the idea of The US adopting - and ideally doing A LOT better at - something similar to The VDV (Air Mobile Mechanized Infantry/Armor).
>Invented and pioneered Heli Cav >Still has Heli Cav >Still has AIrbornes >Still has Heli Marines >Actually VTOL Marines lmao >Soon to be VTOL Army
We have more VDV than Russia could hope to understand.
I dunno, I kinda want to see if Mechanized Infantry can be airlifted via C-130 similar to Air Assault. AIR ASSAULT! (forgot to do that for my past couple posts)
> SF isn't same as SOF, guys
OP, unless you want to engage in thrilling prescriptive vs descriptive debates on the level of "It's a magazine not a clip" or "Assault rifle only refers to fully automatic intermediate caliber weapons", just mention that you don't think the Rangers should be under USASOC.
It's an important distinction. The rangers are considered elite enough to have a special mission set under SOCOM. When Tier 1 or Tier 2 units, need infantry support they don't call on the shitters from 3rd ID. They get rangers.
Not agreeing or disagreeing on who the 75th should be under
> the shitters from 3rd ID
This complete shitting on line units sucks though. 75th is 3 battalions of light intantry, last I checked. No armor or artillery . I understand they are the army's premier light infantry, but a battalion is not a division, and light infantry does not do the same jobs as an BCT.
Can a man not harbor a humble appreciation for crew server mobile weapon platforms? Sometimes getting to see a demo of a 30mm chain gun can change a man.
>Why use rangers and not regular infantry?
Because the rangers have people ready to go within hours to anywhere in the world and train special mission sets.
Regular GRF is ready to doorkick a contingency or war, but are not necessarily practiced on the same mission sets as the rangers are. You want both regular infantry and rangers.
Sure we break some balls here tonight, but I go way back. In light of recent humiliations, it's an honor, to be joined by men. And not homosexual ass cornholing wienersuckers that married my cousin!
Technically The US Army Rangers are "Special Operations" and not "Special Forces" - i.e. they don't focus entirely on "Strategic Affairs", they're more "Tactical" and generally are used as Light Infantry.
Honestly The Rangers are necessary - even now that the GWOT Era is (kind of mind you though I'm putting it in the context of Afghanistan) almost kinda over (emphasis on kinda). Still gotta have SOCOM units - especially when things heat up in The Pacific either w/ China or N. Korea.
Why doesn’t the US have like an airborne highly mobile “helicopter/plane” mobile corp like marines of the air? An aggressive marine like element that can flank the enemy nations forces with the same idea of one of those three major offensives in Iraq? 10’s of thousands of airborne slightly advanced light infantry landing behind the main forces to encircle from the other side with ATGM’s, MANPADS and drones.
Guerillas in the woods have done well in Ukraine, why not poop those boys in the air and drop them on the east side of a country while regular forces roll in from the west?
Well conventional Airborne Doctrine generally states that such units can only survive for 48 hours while the "front line" starts moving towards them. SO technically for your idea to work you'd have to figure out a way to increase your hypothetical unit's survival time "behind the lines" - and ideally in such a large concentration (assuming you're going that route).
They would need extra air support, there would need to be air superiority/SEAD completed and there would need to be a lot of them. Part of this is how cool it seems but with the V-280 valor maybe it’s becoming realistic
Well, I hope this idea does indeed gain traction. With my idea though it would mainly have to involve heavy collaboration w/ Intelligence (since it requires things like forging documents and MORE OR LESS general "Clandestine" Intel Gathering, Sabotage, and ultimately motivating other members w/in the Salient to join the Guerrilla Light Infantry in the attack alongside Conventional Forces).
OH and in my idea also - for the offense (i.e. your side has a salient in Enemy territory) - the Guerrilla Light Infantry and other "Volunteers" in the Salient can aid in "Pushing Out" (and "Linking Up" with other Guerrilla Light Infantry & Volunteer Units).
Well, I hope this idea does indeed gain traction. With my idea though it would mainly have to involve heavy collaboration w/ Intelligence (since it requires things like forging documents and MORE OR LESS general "Clandestine" Intel Gathering, Sabotage, and ultimately motivating other members w/in the Salient to join the Guerrilla Light Infantry in the attack alongside Conventional Forces).
They would need extra air support, there would need to be air superiority/SEAD completed and there would need to be a lot of them. Part of this is how cool it seems but with the V-280 valor maybe it’s becoming realistic
How will these people be sustained.
And don't say "live off the land" or some other braindead shit
Well, since mainly they're meant to live in Urban Areas - they'll mainly be regularly "snuck in" not only just food (which they will have on themselves) but also pro Guerrilla Elements in The Urban Salient (e.g. think a Clandestine "food kitchen" or even having restaurants in the area portioning out some food for the Guerrillas).
I KNOW anon it sounds almost like "muh live off the land" but generally that's the most realistic (though initially again they're gonna have to rely on a good deal of rations which still allows for plausible deniability given the fact that they're dressed - and blend in - as Refugees).
Mind you anon - this thought was put in my proverbial "mental garbage bin" until it was brought back out to be looked at and scrutinized here on PrepHole /k/ today.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Additionally, you need to ask the question as the distance and amount of resources you need to maintain this operation from the outside increases: "What if I just committed these offensive/sustainment/intelligence resources to the main front? Would that have been more helpful?"
1 year ago
Anonymous
I see anon. Got any resources for me to look at with regards to things like this? It'd be very helpful and now I've realized why I've shitcanned this idea - it's just unrealistic.
Oh and for Command and Control/Communication? Think something akin to "Hotline Miami" (granted with a bit of a "Modern" Twist - since in that game it's heavily implied to have used a combination of landlines and "coded messages").
Also, when I was younger I conceived of an idea to have a Guerrilla Unit move behind enemy lines dressed as Civilian Refugees - akin to what Nestor Makhno did w/ his "Ukrainian Black Army" MAINLY for "Salient Closing Operations" (i.e. BASICALLY priming a Salient of a Front to be "liquidated" via a combination of deployable Guerrilla Light Infantry supported by Conventional Forces once the Objective Area has been thoroughly "primed").
>I conceived of an idea to have a Guerrilla Unit move behind enemy lines dressed as Civilian Refugees
As long as they change into uniform before they attack it is not a warcrime. However they may be considered spies of caputred during infiltration (not in uniform).
>So, Mogadishu, wha happened there?
americans muscled in on the locals UN extortion racket
locals took exception to that
and shot every rpg they could find into the air
I’m a QM/PBO and I don’t care about SOF, I do not have any sort of tabs and I don’t need one. All of the SF communities kneel in my presence? Why? Because if they don’t i won’t sign off on any of their supplies.
Quartermasters run the army. A special solider might be able to kill enemies quickly but they do not have the prowess or technical aptitude to provide a logistics supply chain adequate enough to summon a monument to capitalism behind enemy lines, a fully functional McDonald’s restaurant ran out of the back of a 10 Ton
show us your tab homosexual bet you're a noguns too you talk alot of shit for someone without a tab
Why u mad?
Lmao I would never join the goy military and die for Israel.
They finna drag you bossman. Everyone here is a zogbot or fed that shills for the Ukraine.
No exactly
>t. Zogbot that shills exclusive for putl0r
That just makes you double moronic.
>projection
Much like how everyone shilling for russia is a FSB/RU Government glowie? The strawman works both ways, homosexual.
> TFW you want Zelenskyy and Putin "removed" and ultimately The Russian and Ukrainian People to be free of these frickers
still haven't posted a gun
We know homosexual. You're whining about what you'll never be.
>Die for Israel
You'd never join any military unless you were drafted
Being a soldier/mercenary necessities a certain mindset that you don't have, so you'd rather wageslave for Israel of be a drain on the state for Israel rather than fingerfrick funs and kill towel heads
Pussy, YWNBAS
Jokes on you. We’re NEETs
>Being a soldier/mercenary necessities a certain mindset
I suppose it does
Imagine being recently retired commanding officer of military intelligence brigade, yet being stupid enough to post pictures of furgay orgy featuring you and junior officers and enlisted men of your brigade on social media and getting investigated for all that shit after retiring. Guy whose tweet and picture you posted doesn't have to imagine.
Can u get some sauce on that? I've seen the picture before, but never knew the back story.
>goy military
>spends his free time learning and arguing about the zog soldiers
pathetic, maybe go learn Hebrew next so you can talk about how its an ugly language
>tab
It’s called a SCROLL, neverserved.
Ranger tab and scroll refer to different things. You just showed your own butthole shouting about neverserved without understanding that
>thinks a ranger tab makes someone a ranger
ruh roh raggy
Every Marine rifleman is special forces compared to any army chumps
>special forces
morons special forces are solely green berets
moron no one gives a shit about the US's moronic naming conventions for it's special forces
Calling a special forces group - special forces is beyond moronic and meant adding in another stupid word into name
If you don't know the basic minimum of info, your opinion is useless. Call all US SOF special forces and you'll be instantly outed as the mongoloid you are.
Yes we know you call all special forces SOF, it's basic information you dumb c**t
It doesn't make it less stupid, it's just a retroactive fix to the special forces originally being an all encompassing group, and the tab being handed to all 'SOF' (IE special forces) retroactively
Frick you're stupid, learn the basic minimum of info before you ape something again
>Yes we know you call all special forces SOF, it's basic information you dumb c**t
Except you didn't know that basic info or you wouldn't be referring to Rangers as special forces. No one cares about what the rest of the world does because the US has the most elite SOF units and the best military in general.
Yes I do you fricking moron
Special forces existed before a poorly named group of the US Army existed you absolute moron
That's why ONLY the US created the term SOF, because they confused themselves upon deciding that you could ape all sorts of commandos
The green beret is also an ape, fricking moron
Keep coping with being a moronic europoor, now post gun.
>Loses argument
>Seethes
Kek, fricking stupid monkey that you are
So not only are you moronic, you don't own any guns. Bit weird innit for you to post on k.
Why are you so mad about your shitty ebonics attempt at language?
Or lack of information about your own military pre dating the 80s?
Embarrassing
It's embarrassing not owning any guns, maybe get some airshit to fill the void your down syndrome has created. You'd better cool it with the hate speech before the coppas arrest you.
Not him but I have no idea what the frick you are spazzing on about
SOF is for everything for facilitating a unique mission. You have direct action units like MARSOC and Rangers, but also have support like 160th, PJs, Combat Controllers, JTACS and shit but then you also have unique assets like 95th Civil Affairs, PsyOps nerds, and SFAB.
SF is SF. They aren't for direct actionxlike Rangers they are for taking a single building in a complicated situation and usually are just training foreign SF.
I know exactly what SOF is and means, read the thread
It's what everyone (yes, everyone) called special forces before the homosexual obsession with them and the death of actual service for infantrymen
You will never be an infantryman either. You're a butthurt fat frick arguing about straw men.
Lmao, I'm arguing about the language that your pigshit brain can't comprehend
>Still seething
>Bix nood muvahfricka
Go pick up a history book
>I'm arguing about the language
Exactly.
That's not a straw man you fricking moron, that's the whole premise of the argument
Go frick yourself Don Quixote
>aaaah i'm redditing over something i don't understand and will never be and i'm mad about it!
How does it feel that a cheeky mutt like me can own a gun your government's arms factory built and you can't even carry around a non-locking pocket knife.
what gun is that?
roller delayed blowback so I'm guessing a g3 or mp5, given it's made by the British it may also be some other gun I dont know of tho since none of these 2 are British made
MP5 built/assembled in 1981 by the Royal Small Arms Factory in Enfield using HK parts. They were created to bypass strict German arms export laws so that HK guns could be sold to countries that Germany prohibited (e.g., Iraq, West Germany, Yugoslavia, etc.). There was a scandal over it when it came to light, see the articles below.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-sleazy-state-royal-ordnance-exported-weapons-to-east-germany-arms-deals-1429337.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sniper-rifles-supplied-to-serbs-despite-sanctions-1469942.html
>Germany prohibited
>West Germany
Are you 12? Did your parents hit you in head with hammer on daily basis when you were kid? Modern Germany is West Germany.
he probably meant east germany, don't be a disingenuous moron
>Go pick up a history book
Go pick up a gun
I doubt you have good SF/SOF definitions. This thread reeks of morons that think SF just means they're better infantry that get 100% headshots while everyone else has stormtrooper accuracy.
While marine infantry are better marksmen, you guys were still cannon fodder for the main Army
>its another yut desk jockey thinks hes equal to a green beret thread
Oh no no no no
They are the line unit of the USSOCOM umbrella, but aren't technically SOF. They're the elite light infantry of the US.
>doesn't know about that one deployment where a ranger platoon dropped 2,000 hajis
>doesn't know the majority of cag is made up of former batt bois
>doesn't know they're more proficient than a seal team
>doesn't know they're literally described as America's premier raid force
Someone didn't get their slot in RASP and it shows lol. I'm angry I didn't get the option 40 either but I don't talk from my ass because of it.
I was stating technical details, I didn't even serve lmao but it sure seems you have an axe to grind.
they literally are SOF
Rangers are 'special forces' like UK paras
They're not, they're elite infantrymen that shit on sociopathic loser POG wannabe operators
They're Special Operations not SF. They're used extensively as rapidly deployable direct action when you need a force as large as a conventional battalion.
Like some anon says it's just a bunch of kids that want to slot bodies like in Call of Duty but actually have the fitness level to do so instead of being some bumfrick 11B in the 3rd ID that never put a packet in "but totally could hack it."
A very wiener of the marne to you too bro
Little ranger story:
Back when my father did his mandatory service in the 70s in Bavaria (germany) there was an exercise two times a year with US soldiers, where army rangers had to move through a forest withouth being noticed by the german soldiers (to be).
Turns out the he and his comrades just lied down in the bushes and didn't make a sound because the rangers would punch the shit out of you if you called out that you noticed them.
I've met scrolled Rangers. No matter what, you do not back down. That is the secret to earn respect. Do not back down.
they did their mandatory service, i doubt they wanted respect, they just didn't want to be beat up lol.
Yeah, you're right...shame he had to deal with power tripping asses. Any other cool stories or souvenirs from his service
>FORQUE
>Seems like a glorified crew
Maybe. But I don't know anybody else training for and running _battalion_ level raids on the regular, at least in the US armed forces.
what echelon are raids usually?
platoon? company?
Platoon mainly - One Squad lays down a heavy "base of fire" on the Objefctive area, another Squad is the "support Squad" (i.e. they lay another "base of fire" or they even actively partake in the raid w/ the last Squad), and the last Squad (or Squads - depending on PLT TO&E) is the "Main Raiding Squad" (i.e. the guys that infiltrate The Objective Area and steal shit - since most Raids are mainly done for quickly hitting and getting the frick outta there).
Since a Raid is an offensive operation you need to ensure that you have 3 of your guys to 1 of the enemy (e.g. IF a enemy unit securing a depot for ammunition and arms is known to be 2 squads big (however big a squad is) then you'd need 2 Platoons (1 Platoon having 3 Squads Each)).
thanks, but isn't there a point when it gets so big that it's not a raid anymore but a normal offensive operation?
I imagine the raid can be done because the units small and skilled enough to get in and out quickly and not be detected getting in
Well some larger scale raids could just mostly be done to "probe an area" for a response from OPFOR - e.g. how The Germans ALWAYS would do probing "Raids" and "Attacks" before an actual "Main Offensive" mainly so they can get a feel as to where to start suppressing with CAS as well as other means to "break" the Enemy's Front.
GENERALLY Raids of The 75th Ranger Regiment HAS to be large because they don't know if there's a QRF (Quick Reaction Force - Enemy Mechanized Infantry) in the area that could LITERALLY mop the floor with 75th Rangers OR if they could wind up in another "Hot Night in Mogadishu" (e.g. "Blackhawk Down" or "Operation Gothic Serpent"). Also I recall that The SAS also does "Squadron" tactics (e.g. the "Sabre Squadron" which is part of The SAS Regiment).
>e.g. the "Sabre Squadron" which is part of The SAS Regiment
SAS uses cavalry terminology. All the companies in the SAS are called 'sabre squadrons' it's not a unique group.
Also, most SOCOM Units mostly do mission sets that Conventional Troops aren't really worth being used on (e.g. HVT Capture, Joint Missions w/ Intel on a known HVT that has "Intelligence Worthy" Materials, Finding and Capturing Saddam/Whatever former Head Of State).
I still like the ideas of SOCOM, Special Forces, and "Unconventional Warfare", however, also at the same time I like some aspects of Conventional Warfare - mainly Armor/Mechanized Infantry, Marine Expeditionary Units, Air Wings, and even ACRs.
3:1 offensive rule is "minimum force" and 3:1 is a heuristic and not a hard rule. Also depending on the type of assault you might want 11:1 or greater as a minimum force, because a well executed mission has fewer casualties for the attacker.
Also in addition to raw numbers you want intel, ISR, air support, artillery support, logistical and medical support, blocking, screening, and flank protecting units and the whole shebang. Only Russia is moronic enough to crash human waves of conscripts over and over again.
Well anon I've been thinking up hypothetical Conventional Units (e.g. a Armored Brigade with a Infantry RCT and a Artillery Regiment - both who have their own RCT Support Bns w/ Forward Support Companies attached from the BSB).
I mean that's generally the idea - infil as refugees, get geared up and attack when "night sets" (since Night Attacks are more ideally suited given the advances in NVGs and all - SURE the enemy could drop flares on the area but then it'd piss the civvies off at night).
Also in my hypothetical ABCT - the Engineer Battalion not only contains an A Company & B Company but also specifically it contains a Signal Company, Intel Company, EW (ECM heavy but also could be split between ELINT and E2CM) Platoon, and a MP Platoon (to provide Security on the move).
Marine Expeditionary Units Special Operations Capable MEUSOC Battalion Landing Teams BLT have raids, hostage rescue, Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel in their evaluation and workups prior to deployment.
Marine Corps MEUSOC BLT's are constantly running battalion level raids in the First, Second and Third Marine Divisions.
Fair point regarding battalion sized assaults. But correct me where I'm wrong here: An MEU is typically a single sized infantry battalion, along with aviation and logistics battalions, and any escort ships. This single battalion will train for and execute anything from amphibous raids, urban sniper, evac, humanitarian aid, TRAP, and a host of other bullshit that drops in their lap during a 6 month deployment.
You see what I'm getting at? Not shitting on the concept, but you see the difference in mission set between these and the 75th?
The MEUSOC is not just a concept. The USMC has been using the MEUSOC frame work since before Operation Sharp Edge in 1990. Operation Sharp Edge is a good example of the MEUSOC BLT's capabilities combined with the ability to stand off shore on US Navy shipping.
During the civil war in Liberia Africa Joint Special Operations Command at the request of the US State Department and the US Ambassador to Liberia Africa tasked the 26th MEU which was embarked aboard naval shipping on the way to the Mediterranean Sea to prepare to reinforce the US Marine Security Guard Detachment at the Liberian embassy.
The fleet stood over the horizon off the coast of Liberia out of sight until the US ambassador request the Battalion Landing Team. The Marine Security Guard detachment prepared the embassy grounds for the waves of CH-46 helicopters that began bringing in the BLT . Cobra gunships and Harrier jump jets provided overhead cover.
Ch 46's also evacuated foreign nationals from the US embassy. The CH46's carried civilians from the embassy to the LHA . The civilians were processed on the hangar deck and then loaded onto CH53's which carried them to the civilian airfield in Sierra Leone Africa.Operation Sharp Edge was the largest evacuation of civilians and noncombatants since Saigon Vietnam.
>dismounted
Cringe
>Mounted
Based
Armored chads ww@
Here here anon. I for one would LOVE the idea of The US adopting - and ideally doing A LOT better at - something similar to The VDV (Air Mobile Mechanized Infantry/Armor).
>Invented and pioneered Heli Cav
>Still has Heli Cav
>Still has AIrbornes
>Still has Heli Marines
>Actually VTOL Marines lmao
>Soon to be VTOL Army
We have more VDV than Russia could hope to understand.
I dunno, I kinda want to see if Mechanized Infantry can be airlifted via C-130 similar to Air Assault. AIR ASSAULT! (forgot to do that for my past couple posts)
fatty detected
>Remind me again why Army rangers are considered special forces again?
They aren't? You do know that special Forces refers to a specific unit/MOS right?
> SF isn't same as SOF, guys
OP, unless you want to engage in thrilling prescriptive vs descriptive debates on the level of "It's a magazine not a clip" or "Assault rifle only refers to fully automatic intermediate caliber weapons", just mention that you don't think the Rangers should be under USASOC.
It's an important distinction. The rangers are considered elite enough to have a special mission set under SOCOM. When Tier 1 or Tier 2 units, need infantry support they don't call on the shitters from 3rd ID. They get rangers.
Not agreeing or disagreeing on who the 75th should be under
> the shitters from 3rd ID
This complete shitting on line units sucks though. 75th is 3 battalions of light intantry, last I checked. No armor or artillery . I understand they are the army's premier light infantry, but a battalion is not a division, and light infantry does not do the same jobs as an BCT.
t. 3rd ID shitter
Can a man not harbor a humble appreciation for crew server mobile weapon platforms? Sometimes getting to see a demo of a 30mm chain gun can change a man.
Rangers unironically have Bradleys and Strykers
What's wrong with "The Rock Of The Marne" Infantry Division anon? I for one love their logo.
>Why use rangers and not regular infantry?
Because the rangers have people ready to go within hours to anywhere in the world and train special mission sets.
Regular GRF is ready to doorkick a contingency or war, but are not necessarily practiced on the same mission sets as the rangers are. You want both regular infantry and rangers.
>Seems like a glorified crew
Phil Leotardo did 20 frickin years in the 'Stan. Killed 16 Czechoslovakians
That guys an interior decorator? His house looks like shit!
Sure we break some balls here tonight, but I go way back. In light of recent humiliations, it's an honor, to be joined by men. And not homosexual ass cornholing wienersuckers that married my cousin!
they have good funding, lover standards, and recruit heavily from military schools for gung ho kid.
ITT: neverserveds arguing with neverserveds arguing with neverserveds
Huh?
bruh what is the "waffle-top" actually called. I need one in green.
Technically The US Army Rangers are "Special Operations" and not "Special Forces" - i.e. they don't focus entirely on "Strategic Affairs", they're more "Tactical" and generally are used as Light Infantry.
Largely because before they reconstituted the regiment they did a lot of commando shit in World War II and LRRP shit after that.
Now they're SOCOM's fire brigade.
Honestly The Rangers are necessary - even now that the GWOT Era is (kind of mind you though I'm putting it in the context of Afghanistan) almost kinda over (emphasis on kinda). Still gotta have SOCOM units - especially when things heat up in The Pacific either w/ China or N. Korea.
I didn't say they weren't.
Well then my bad anon.
Why doesn’t the US have like an airborne highly mobile “helicopter/plane” mobile corp like marines of the air? An aggressive marine like element that can flank the enemy nations forces with the same idea of one of those three major offensives in Iraq? 10’s of thousands of airborne slightly advanced light infantry landing behind the main forces to encircle from the other side with ATGM’s, MANPADS and drones.
Guerillas in the woods have done well in Ukraine, why not poop those boys in the air and drop them on the east side of a country while regular forces roll in from the west?
Well conventional Airborne Doctrine generally states that such units can only survive for 48 hours while the "front line" starts moving towards them. SO technically for your idea to work you'd have to figure out a way to increase your hypothetical unit's survival time "behind the lines" - and ideally in such a large concentration (assuming you're going that route).
They would need extra air support, there would need to be air superiority/SEAD completed and there would need to be a lot of them. Part of this is how cool it seems but with the V-280 valor maybe it’s becoming realistic
Well, I hope this idea does indeed gain traction. With my idea though it would mainly have to involve heavy collaboration w/ Intelligence (since it requires things like forging documents and MORE OR LESS general "Clandestine" Intel Gathering, Sabotage, and ultimately motivating other members w/in the Salient to join the Guerrilla Light Infantry in the attack alongside Conventional Forces).
OH and in my idea also - for the offense (i.e. your side has a salient in Enemy territory) - the Guerrilla Light Infantry and other "Volunteers" in the Salient can aid in "Pushing Out" (and "Linking Up" with other Guerrilla Light Infantry & Volunteer Units).
How will these people be sustained.
And don't say "live off the land" or some other braindead shit
Well, since mainly they're meant to live in Urban Areas - they'll mainly be regularly "snuck in" not only just food (which they will have on themselves) but also pro Guerrilla Elements in The Urban Salient (e.g. think a Clandestine "food kitchen" or even having restaurants in the area portioning out some food for the Guerrillas).
I KNOW anon it sounds almost like "muh live off the land" but generally that's the most realistic (though initially again they're gonna have to rely on a good deal of rations which still allows for plausible deniability given the fact that they're dressed - and blend in - as Refugees).
Mind you anon - this thought was put in my proverbial "mental garbage bin" until it was brought back out to be looked at and scrutinized here on PrepHole /k/ today.
Additionally, you need to ask the question as the distance and amount of resources you need to maintain this operation from the outside increases: "What if I just committed these offensive/sustainment/intelligence resources to the main front? Would that have been more helpful?"
I see anon. Got any resources for me to look at with regards to things like this? It'd be very helpful and now I've realized why I've shitcanned this idea - it's just unrealistic.
Oh and for Command and Control/Communication? Think something akin to "Hotline Miami" (granted with a bit of a "Modern" Twist - since in that game it's heavily implied to have used a combination of landlines and "coded messages").
Also, when I was younger I conceived of an idea to have a Guerrilla Unit move behind enemy lines dressed as Civilian Refugees - akin to what Nestor Makhno did w/ his "Ukrainian Black Army" MAINLY for "Salient Closing Operations" (i.e. BASICALLY priming a Salient of a Front to be "liquidated" via a combination of deployable Guerrilla Light Infantry supported by Conventional Forces once the Objective Area has been thoroughly "primed").
>I conceived of an idea to have a Guerrilla Unit move behind enemy lines dressed as Civilian Refugees
As long as they change into uniform before they attack it is not a warcrime. However they may be considered spies of caputred during infiltration (not in uniform).
It sounds like you're just describing Airborne and Rangers
This thread brought out some intense autism, will save the prompt for later because this board can't help itself and will reply again.
Considering non-US militaries barely even train basic skills, good luck homosexuals. Frick around and find out.
Rangers get extra training compared to a rifleman so thats why they are SF.
Even as a civilian i know this.
rangers made ucp look kino so they are special to me
ITT we summon ricky
You are not totally wrong, but they do have access to a lot more shit than infantry. They had HK21E's in use in Stanstanistan
>a glorified crew
This is a sopranosposting thread now
>a glorified crew if you ask me
So, Mogadishu, wha happened there?
>So, Mogadishu, wha happened there?
americans muscled in on the locals UN extortion racket
locals took exception to that
and shot every rpg they could find into the air
seriously answering a Sopranos quote
embarrassing
I forgot the pic
>That's right wienersucka! Go back to Fort Benning!
they were 17th century special forces
now theyre just infantry that dont carry 100lb worth of useless shit
>Seems like a glorified crew if you ask me
That's all special forces.
They captured Pointe du Hoc is what they did! They are a great American regiment! And in this house the Rangers are special forces! End of story!
I’m a QM/PBO and I don’t care about SOF, I do not have any sort of tabs and I don’t need one. All of the SF communities kneel in my presence? Why? Because if they don’t i won’t sign off on any of their supplies.
Quartermasters run the army. A special solider might be able to kill enemies quickly but they do not have the prowess or technical aptitude to provide a logistics supply chain adequate enough to summon a monument to capitalism behind enemy lines, a fully functional McDonald’s restaurant ran out of the back of a 10 Ton
“I was born, grew up, spent a few years in the army, couple more in the rangers, and here I am, half a special forces veteran, so what?"
merge it with the 10th mountain