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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Russia adapted and now they're winning the war kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can you show me where?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yesterday S-400 successfully intercepted two ATACMS missiles

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Damn, two missiles were intercepted. Ukraine is FINISHED.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You idiot, buffoon, simpleton, tis was a joke about S-400 system getting destroyed by ATACMS, thus "successfully intercepting missiles"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair if the S-400 didnt eat the ATACMS Ukraine could've used them otherwise. So they are gonna run low on ammo now. Ukraine is FINISHED.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          did the S-400 even launch?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Technically, it was the *launchers* that intercepted the ATACMS, not the SAMs they carried.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Several parts of the S-400 system achieved liftoff.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kek, intercepted is an interesting word for being blown up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Akshually most their gains Russia got when they were Rush B with BTGs...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of their gains were when they bribed local governments ahead of time. Maybe they should do that instead of getting their soldiers curbstomped en masse.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They could not be persuaded that it wasn't moronic.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We need an updated version of this with a dozen MTLB technical variants, a handful of T-64 and golf carts.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw i will never see 300-800 t80 driving through european landscape
    combined arms brainrot has infected russians. i blame americans for spreading this ugly tactic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How many was there during the first 3 days?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All of them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >post picture of combined arms
      >complain about combined arms
      Combined arms has been the goto since WW2, arguably WW1 with infantry and arty being coordinated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >arguably WW1 with infantry and arty being coordinated.
        thats not arguable in the slightest
        its the very definition of combined arms

        and combined arms has been standard since antiquity, even if they didnt have a name for it because even a caveman understands that attacking with 2 different types of weapons will compensate for each others weaknesses

        which is why they would use skirmishers with ranged weapons to keep the enemy in defensive posture and fixed in place so your infantry can maneuver into a better position
        and then you deploy cavalry to exploit the enemy flanks and force them out of their position

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did you conveniently memoryhole the 40 mile traffic jam? How did that turn out for your subhumans?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >combined arms bad
      Russia is in the (absolute) state it's in because they cannot into combined arms. They can't use their planes without getting shot down and their conscripts don't have the training or doctrine to effectively communicate to use those tactics anyways.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *farts in Sumy*

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a literal neverserved with basically no interest in logistics and I could have told you that 22 trucks was completely insufficient to support a battalion-sized mechanized formation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >carrying the M16 by the carryhandle
      someone call the gunny, that grenadier needs to be smoked

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >For more on the Russian invasion of Ukraine follow the blog:
    >the-coronavirus-crisis

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    remember switching to mopping up operations by week two?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >they haven't taken Crimea yet!
    Not the kind of flex you think it is Rajesh.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >war starts with really ambitious plans and carefully planned units that are supposed to work in certain planned out ways
    >everything goes to shit
    >three years later it's just send literally anything with an engine towards the front to support the human wave convict assaults
    >a few super-long ranged, advanced and limited weapon systems are massively outperforming

    wargame red dragon is genuinely one of the most accurate military simulators in the world

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      with the exception of soviet tanks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Soviet tanks have to overperform in video games (Wargame / Warno and Broken Arrow are major examples) otherwise multiplayer would be unbalanced as frick in favour of NATO.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i mean you could also use a larger strategic layer as a form of balance. soviet forces get far more tanks, chemical weapons, amphibious capability, nukes, etc while nato forces get airpower and far superior sensors and tanks (but less of them).

          but yes for a 1 on 1 matchmaked game you do have to buff t-72s and shit. i just wish more game devs went with the other option.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            homie how is that realistic, if the Soviets deployed nukes NATO would too. All video games either ignore nukes exist or there's some agreement that each side will wage a conventional war with no nukes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >immediate hostile answer
              yeah, go frick yourself anon. you're clearly not open to actual discussion.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry you're a low IQ moron who posted moronic bullshit without thinking and is now mad because they got called out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think you can make a case where all nukes were used, but some malfunctioned , some were intercepted, many were sent to the same target (meaning you nuked same place thrice or more) and didn't result as much widespread destruction as it is usually predicted. With this war continued then using conventional weaponry.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah no things are going to be very different after tens of thousands of nukes have detonated

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not 1980 anymore, anon, with Russia and the USA pointing like 40,000 nukes each at each other.
                Russia and America have a stockpile of about 5000 each, but here's the thing Russia only has delivery systems for about 1000 of those and a fair chunk of that is tactical nukes. You can pretty much assume that large amounts of the stockpile will never get fired because they'll be knocked out by the other sides strikes.
                Russian nuclear weapons are a threat, but a nuclear war isn't a civilisation ending threat anymore. Well apart from Russia, they'll be nuked into oblivion, but the West will weather it just fine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Since when Russia had any civilization for the western nukes to end?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    invincebel

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean as a concept the only problem is that the support element is way too small.
    In reality you also need soldiers and commanders capable of coordinating such a force.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Military strategy is irrelevant when you can achieve all your objectives through diplomacy. Russia already succeeded in pushing the US out of the conflict. Next in line is the EU.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia already succeeded in pushing the US out of the conflict
      I see they're not even letting you ziggers read the news anymore

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes, I remember random internet shitposters having no idea what they are talking about claiming Crimea last summer.

    Do you remember the leader or Russia and the guy that ordered the invasion claiming "2 weeks to Kiev"? I do.

    https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Updated your image for you

    In terms of what the BTG was designed to do, I think it probably could have functioned ok by being all teeth, no tail and blasting the shit out of an equal sized military unit, then maybe being able to eke out a victory by the time it was all over.
    However
    Russia is full of thieves, drunks and fricking idiots, so they just aren't capable of putting together units like this and giving them any autonomy to prosecute objectives. Russia is literally too stupid to even compile functioning Soviet strategy effectively without managing to frick it up 10 times in a row and now they've fallen back to what is effectively WW1 attrition warfare and that just doesn't work in the modern era where getting the necessary mass together, means you get seen, you get Tungsten Rain and as a result the rest trickle in and get fricking zipped up by drones.

    A lot of people quite rightly point out the lack of Tail and to some extent I think its a feature more than a flaw. If it wasn't stolen, non-existent and staffed by conscripts it might be less rubbish but essentially I think if a BTG could get positioned, do its damage and have enough to pull out after so another unit takes it place during the refit-rearm phase of a break contact it could work. But along the way we saw people with broken down vehicles, no motor infantry onboard IFVs and multi-million dollar assets left at the side of the road to be stolen by Gypsy Traktor scrap metal merchants.
    So the rot was way deeper than just no logistics
    It was all fricked up!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think so, the lack of logistics was always going to frick them in the ass
      > if a BTG could get positioned, do its damage and have enough to pull out after so another unit takes it place during the refit-rearm phase of a break contact it could work
      that is what both Warpact and NATO commanders saw and pointed out, leading to the description of Soviet divisions as "drill bits" ie use up and discard

      but NATO believed that it could use long range smart weapons to wipe out the logistics routes and reinforcements, and the Soviets had no answer to that and so the USSR collapsed both economically and militarily

      For that reason I think the BTG was doomed to fail. It has no inherent answer to the NATO counter-strategy. And we've seen this proven in Ukraine, even if only two very small components - HIMARS and Storm Shadow - were involved and not the whole panoply of NATO airpower.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I think its a feature more than a flaw
        You think that because you don't know what you're talking about. Having these BTGs running around instead of larger brigades and divisions that task organise their units to produce BTGs and are able to coordinate the FPOLs and logistics needed to maintain momentum after achieving contact, and so transitioning from breakthrough to pursuit to consolidation without logistics failures or pauses is exactly why it's a flaw. The Russians did BTGs because they're too stupid to do task organisation or have a fires system that's responsive without BTGs, or to comprehend logistics, and now they're all dead because of it, simple as.

        Thing with the BTG's was that there was supposed to be a lot of them, you load them up go as fast as you can to the contact area and start beating the shit out of the enemy, whatever survives contact pulls back and heads off to refit while another one or two come slamming in after that to continue the momentum. These are assault groups, just designed to last as long as they're expected with just enough to get it done- not protracted attrition warfare over long periods of time or occupation units.
        'Theoretically' they could outgun a Battalion of anyone else coming against them
        With enough organic air and artillery to keep them in the game long enough that the armour and motor infantry would get the rest done

        The problem of course is that its an old idea that a Battalion was a stand alone force structure and its intensely vehicle heavy which makes its range, specific tasks and structure not suitable for a lot of actions- the most obvious one of all being Putin launching all these fricking things over the border during the Mud Season. So all the logistics in the world were not going to help them when trucks are bogged to the axles in a wheat field and their commanders just went, well frick it. We got an appointment to keep and goodbye!
        Course the most hilarious aspect was that the main arm of the logistics they had was meant to be conscriptabitches running all the beans, bullets and bandaids- which by law (at the time) were not allowed to go on offensive actions for whatever reason. So they stayed home and the BTG's are under strength with literally no logistics at all and what was there, ran out of fuel, broke down, got abandoned or who the frick knows.

        This is all redundant now anyway, the cores of these units got gutted, there's no training company left, no vehicles to construct them anymore and was superseded by modern military Battlegroups which are a grab bag of whatever your force composition needs to do a job.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/AWAX9Fy.jpeg

          As I mention here- [...]
          You're supposed to use a lot of them, batter the enemy and while your contact BTG is off for refit, keep shoving others into the gap to exploit the hole and just keep rolling the fricking things in there until they've eliminated resistance.
          'Theoretically'
          Because as we found out, they don't work well in mud, with zero logistics in a vehicle heavy force and they sure don't swim real good either.

          The litany of reasons they failed is so fricking long though, everything from Baofeng trucker radios to No Infantry and No logistics because it was sold for vodka, tyres from China and an all round layer of Russian Extra Strength mental moronation to be flexible in their deployment strategies.
          At no point did someone even think
          >what if Ukraine doesn't roll over in 2 weeks?
          >nope!
          >Just keep on trucking or sit 100km over their border
          >out of gas and no fricking clue!

          >The litany of reasons they failed is so fricking long
          that you guys are having difficulty separating the theoretical reason why the 1985 BTG would have failed, and the practical reason why the 2022 BTG failed

          I'm not sure the BTGs were ever meant to engage in conventional warfare in the manner of the 2022 invasion.
          https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf
          The whole key to their success had been to use paramilitary forces for security and frontline infantry, allowing the BTG to focus on fires and rare, occasional, decisive maneuvers.
          The units are simply not capable of functioning in frontline combat against a near-peer enemy. They can't sustain themselves like that, they can't handle any attrition, and they can't even exploit any successes.
          The enemy will not allow retreats in the manner of
          >while your contact BTG is off for refit
          to happen. The moment the BTG is depleted, the more capable enemy force is going to exploit and maneuver against it. The chaos of trying to switch frontline responsibility in the middle of enemy reserves being committed would just collapse the whole thing.

          also, the 2017 analysis of the BTG is in the context of 2014, which again is yet another different animal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I think its a feature more than a flaw
      You think that because you don't know what you're talking about. Having these BTGs running around instead of larger brigades and divisions that task organise their units to produce BTGs and are able to coordinate the FPOLs and logistics needed to maintain momentum after achieving contact, and so transitioning from breakthrough to pursuit to consolidation without logistics failures or pauses is exactly why it's a flaw. The Russians did BTGs because they're too stupid to do task organisation or have a fires system that's responsive without BTGs, or to comprehend logistics, and now they're all dead because of it, simple as.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >In terms of what the BTG was designed to do, I think it probably could have functioned ok by being all teeth, no tail and blasting the shit out of an equal sized military unit, then maybe being able to eke out a victory by the time it was all over.
      But that's the thing. You eke out a victory, and THEN what?
      Other military formations can pursue, exploit, dig in, continue operations or whatever. The BTG is a one-pump-chump that's pretty much depleted in one go. The enemy is defeated, retreats 10km, reconstitutes and then you have to do it all over again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As I mention here-

        https://i.imgur.com/3uRYC66.jpeg

        [...]
        Thing with the BTG's was that there was supposed to be a lot of them, you load them up go as fast as you can to the contact area and start beating the shit out of the enemy, whatever survives contact pulls back and heads off to refit while another one or two come slamming in after that to continue the momentum. These are assault groups, just designed to last as long as they're expected with just enough to get it done- not protracted attrition warfare over long periods of time or occupation units.
        'Theoretically' they could outgun a Battalion of anyone else coming against them
        With enough organic air and artillery to keep them in the game long enough that the armour and motor infantry would get the rest done

        The problem of course is that its an old idea that a Battalion was a stand alone force structure and its intensely vehicle heavy which makes its range, specific tasks and structure not suitable for a lot of actions- the most obvious one of all being Putin launching all these fricking things over the border during the Mud Season. So all the logistics in the world were not going to help them when trucks are bogged to the axles in a wheat field and their commanders just went, well frick it. We got an appointment to keep and goodbye!
        Course the most hilarious aspect was that the main arm of the logistics they had was meant to be conscriptabitches running all the beans, bullets and bandaids- which by law (at the time) were not allowed to go on offensive actions for whatever reason. So they stayed home and the BTG's are under strength with literally no logistics at all and what was there, ran out of fuel, broke down, got abandoned or who the frick knows.

        This is all redundant now anyway, the cores of these units got gutted, there's no training company left, no vehicles to construct them anymore and was superseded by modern military Battlegroups which are a grab bag of whatever your force composition needs to do a job.

        You're supposed to use a lot of them, batter the enemy and while your contact BTG is off for refit, keep shoving others into the gap to exploit the hole and just keep rolling the fricking things in there until they've eliminated resistance.
        'Theoretically'
        Because as we found out, they don't work well in mud, with zero logistics in a vehicle heavy force and they sure don't swim real good either.

        The litany of reasons they failed is so fricking long though, everything from Baofeng trucker radios to No Infantry and No logistics because it was sold for vodka, tyres from China and an all round layer of Russian Extra Strength mental moronation to be flexible in their deployment strategies.
        At no point did someone even think
        >what if Ukraine doesn't roll over in 2 weeks?
        >nope!
        >Just keep on trucking or sit 100km over their border
        >out of gas and no fricking clue!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, the whole thing counts on either being able to keep them moving, or the front moving far enough that you can leave them where they are as the backline catches up.
          Either way you don't want a BTG in sustained contact for too long because it'll wear down until there's nothing left, and guess what fricking happens when you have no logistics and no momentum.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The weirdest thing to me about the early war is how unsuited the BTGs were to the attempted blitzkrieg.
          They bypassed enemy positions but they never left anything behind to strongpoint those positions, with the consequence the Ukrainians had free reign behind their lines.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It genuinely seems like to me that the military itself wasn't expecting the war to happen. Gerasimov doctrine worked perfectly fine for the post-2014 combat they had been having, but then all of a sudden they push those troops into invading in full.
            Makes me think the Russians genuinely believed they had bribed the entire Ukrainian system into collapsing and thought they wouldn't need their military to be capable of more conventional warfare. In fact, the entire Kiev front supports that idea. Nothing what happened there suggests they expected Ukraine to fight back properly. Even what you typed
            >They bypassed enemy positions but they never left anything behind to strongpoint those positions, with the consequence the Ukrainians had free reign behind their lines.
            supports it.

            A very Hitlerian notion:
            >“We have only to kick in the door,” Hitler said, “and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not sure the BTGs were ever meant to engage in conventional warfare in the manner of the 2022 invasion.
          https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2017/spring/2Fiore17.pdf
          The whole key to their success had been to use paramilitary forces for security and frontline infantry, allowing the BTG to focus on fires and rare, occasional, decisive maneuvers.
          The units are simply not capable of functioning in frontline combat against a near-peer enemy. They can't sustain themselves like that, they can't handle any attrition, and they can't even exploit any successes.
          The enemy will not allow retreats in the manner of
          >while your contact BTG is off for refit
          to happen. The moment the BTG is depleted, the more capable enemy force is going to exploit and maneuver against it. The chaos of trying to switch frontline responsibility in the middle of enemy reserves being committed would just collapse the whole thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thing that probably should be asked and why its never been honestly addressed from the Russian side of things was that Ukraine wasn't a near peer, they were and still are some broke-ass farmers and had some decent heavy industrial infrastructure. The military had been pepped up a bit with some extra training and gear since 2014, but like everyone else apparently, they didn't take Ukraine's resistance seriously and ended up in a quagmire of being endlessly being pecked apart on the way in.
            Not by Ukraine's conventional forces either!
            Most of the damage done in the first week was just hunter-killer teams with some anti-tank missiles and their National Guard units which are sort of border-guard and a paramilitary gendarmes. When the real deal of heavy hitters with actual vehicles and what artillery units were in place showed up. They really got taken down to pound-town

            So the whole aggression and decisive movement turned into getting hen pecked and bogged

            https://i.imgur.com/DdbRStk.png

            It genuinely seems like to me that the military itself wasn't expecting the war to happen. Gerasimov doctrine worked perfectly fine for the post-2014 combat they had been having, but then all of a sudden they push those troops into invading in full.
            Makes me think the Russians genuinely believed they had bribed the entire Ukrainian system into collapsing and thought they wouldn't need their military to be capable of more conventional warfare. In fact, the entire Kiev front supports that idea. Nothing what happened there suggests they expected Ukraine to fight back properly. Even what you typed
            >They bypassed enemy positions but they never left anything behind to strongpoint those positions, with the consequence the Ukrainians had free reign behind their lines.
            supports it.

            A very Hitlerian notion:
            >“We have only to kick in the door,” Hitler said, “and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”

            Ah, now we're talking about the Putin's pet project- the FSB's Fifth Service
            5th Service is/was a destab organisation in the FSB that they send in to create chaos, bribe key figures and perpetrate all manner of ungentlemanly behaviour in their neighbours backyards. They were provided with tens of millions of dollars to go into Ukraine specifically- bribe key officials, set up caches of supplies and sabotage infrastructure.
            Well... they did a little bit
            The rest, well it was just tens of millions lying around. They pocketed that shit!

            That ended up with a lot of people in gulag and getting a lead pill behind the ear back in Russia when it all came apart. I don't know if the 5th service still exists, but a lot of former members don't!

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No because i dont have a reddit or twitter account, homosexual

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Remember "Russia already won"?
    https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It just occurred to me that Russians went from vehicle-heavy infantry-lean BTG formations to very infantry-heavy mobik formations with ever lightening supporting vehicles available.

    Talk about wasted potential, imagine if they had had actual massed infantry support on the onslaught of the invasion

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Just wait for New Western Mbt.
    Once ukraine receives first batches of Leopards it will start The Offensive and capture crimea nad railway supplying it

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >crimea by summer
    unfortunately crimea by summer was cancelled by dozen picutes of the same burning Leo

  20. 1 month ago
    Memoryhole therapist

    [...]

    Remember Snake island
    Remember TB-2 droning
    Remember Bunker Baboon instantly threatening nooks
    Remember Kiyv in 3 days
    Remember 60 km convoy
    Remember SAS raid by Boris Johnson
    Remember Makeshift Market Garden at Hostomel
    Remember VDV feeding campaing in the balck sea
    Remember Tank abandoooner
    Remember hyperforttess Pisky
    Remember A3ov living rent free inside mobiks heads
    Remember HATO biolabs (all medical labs making vaccines for the russian minority)
    Remember Russia keeping counts of how many LGBT soldiers (they were never there btw) were killed by RU soldiers
    Remember Bucha masacre
    Remember Mariupol took 2 months
    Remember Kiyv feint
    Remember soldiers getting issued ww2 gear
    Remember Russian smooker
    Remember toungsten rain
    Remember Russian snoozer
    Remember trench soooplier
    Remember vatniks screeching warcrimes over every single dead ruskie
    Remember that russia wishes to destroy the current world order but cries injustice to UN that is built around said world order
    Remember CIA lead sabotage of Russian plumbing https://www.google.com/amp/s/novayagazeta.eu/amp/articles/2022/11/02/shit-happens-literally-en
    Remember cruiser Moskva
    Remember that the blokade of Ukrainian grain, holds hostage over a dozen of poor countries that will starve without it, many were Russian allies
    Remember russian marauderism and pillaging (F for toilets)
    Remember Kharkiv counter offensive
    Remember Kherson good will gesture
    Remember indefinetly shrinking cauldron
    Remember
    Remember
    Remember
    Remember no panik in Belgorod
    Remember Europe not freezing
    Remember that the hamster population in EU is doing fine
    Remember Bradley panik
    Remember Medvedev threatening nooks if ukraine doesn't bend over https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/31/europe/medvedev-russia-nuclear-weapons-intl-hnk
    Remember totall rotory wing aviation death
    Remember Girkin doom posting
    Remember that there is no secret Army hiding behind the Urals

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Remember 1 hour and 27 minutes, Russia disables the entire ukranian military?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember the veh-deh-veh?
    rotfl

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did they even have mechanics attached? That's like 15+ different vehicles types there. Motor pool must have been insane.

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