thoughts on pic related? left to right:
>Tikka over-under .222 / 12ga
>Husqvarna 6.5x55 Swedish
>Husqvarna 9.3x57
>Husqvarna side-by-side 16ga
I'm thinking of offering $600 for the lot plus the safe
yes I know the last one is unsafe and a less common caliber and I'll probably get rid of it. maybe I'll have it plugged and keep it as a display piece
Unless reloading is illegal in your country, you can reload onsey-twosey black powder shotgun shells easily. I'd take them all, and don't plug the 16ga, wtf is wrong with you?
reloading is legal, and similar thoughts have crossed my mind. I have plenty of KNO3, would need to get some sulfur. we made R-candy in the local rocket club
>don't plug the 16ga, wtf is wrong with you?
you're normally only allowed six guns in Sweden, and the cops start getting ornery once you have more than four
>you're normally only allowed six guns in Sweden
That's fucking morongay. Sell it, then, don't fuck it up.
no one wants 16 gauge. it's either 12 or 20 here. but yeah I'd obviously put it up for sale first
>you're normally only allowed six guns in Sweden, and the cops start getting ornery once you have more than four
How are the cops going to know if you are purchasing them privately from a family member? This is a great way to acquire guns under your governments radar.
>How are the cops going to know if you are purchasing them privately from a family member?
every gun is registered, and you need to show the registration when you purchase ammo. there is an opportunity whenever gun owners die to at least squirrel away their guns, but unless it's a caliber you already have a loicense for you'll have a hard time using them. also the widow(er) will likely get shit from the cops, and obviously any licensed gun owner in the family will come under suHispanicion
the cops can and do "surprise" inspections so you can't just purchase someone's guns without involving the cops. I put surprise in quote marks because the few times it happens you get a letter in the mail in advance
basically whenever a hunter dies the cops expects either of the following:
>hand in the guns for destruction
>sell the guns to a gun shop
>hand the guns over to a licensed hunter
the vast majority of guns in Sweden are hunting rifles. interestingly semi-automatics are allowed, even in "military" calibers like .223 and .308, and there are no limitations on magazine sizes on rifles except during hunting. with the most recent relaxed rules removing limits on spooky black plastic, rails, pistol grips etc you could get an AR-10 with a 30rd mag if I understand things correctly. this is new for 2022 or 2023, I forget which. there is also no upper limit on caliber, so technically semi-automatic .50 cal is perfectly legal (but the cops might whine)
this is roughly what I've been told so far. the safe is probably what's worth the most
9.3 is only really useful/comfy for hunting bear. on the other hand the local hunting team does hunt bear from time to time so
initially I had in mind an over-under 12 ga, a semi-auto .308 and a 10/22 but I also can't say no to cheap guns. we'll see
> with the most recent relaxed rules removing limits on spooky black plastic, rails, pistol grips etc you could get an AR-10 with a 30rd mag if I understand things correctly. this is new for 2022 or 2023, I forget which. there is also no upper limit on caliber, so technically semi-automatic .50 cal is perfectly legal (but the cops might whine)
Unless something has drastically changed in regards to the police's handling of license applications they can just deny your license without legal basis. You can then take it up in court which if you win you won't see any monetary compensation and just get your license. Then the next person who applies for the exact same gun you just won a court battle over has to go through the exact same process if the cops feel like it. They've quite famously denied licenses for clearly legal bolt action rifles like the Tikka T3X TAC A1 so I don't see them handing out AR-15 licenses anytime soon unfortunately, even if they're perfectly legal.
perhaps the hunter corps should lobby for handing the authority over to naturvårdsverket instead of aina who are clearly not interested in following the law
>noooo you can't have guns with spooky black plastic and standard rails
>what do you mean it works the same as any other repeater it's hecking military style
Preaching to the choir. Old fudds don't understand that younger people generally want more modern guns including self loading rifles like AR-15s and whatnot. And don't get the started on Svenska Pistolskytteförbundet shooting themselves in the foot.
Hunting and sport "vapengarderob" are separate. Only thing that might happen is that you will need to store your guns to a higher security standard if you reach a certain threshold which counts both wardrobes. For that to happen with long guns only (not counting machine guns) you'd need quite a few.
this brings up another question: to what extent am I allowed to modify a gun? can I attack picatinny rails to the handguard? can I add a pistol grip? cutting down a stock a bit is allowed, is cutting it down to a nub and attaching a telescoping stock ok? can I hollow out the stock and put a flask of jägerhojt in there?
>cuck alert
hunsvarning måste det väl ändå vara?
It depends on what gun it is and what the purpose of it is on the license. Only thing that you´re not allowed to do without prior approval is converting it to full auto.
>to what extent am I allowed to modify a gun
This depends heavily on what sort of gun we're talking about. Short of cutting the barrel down you should be able to modify the OP guns however you'd like for example. Just don't mess with the magazines in auto loading and pump action shotguns (if on a hunting license) since their magazine restrictions are more strict than rifles for whatever dumb reason.
yeah I'm aware of the shotgun thing
I lulzy idea struck me the other way: make a belt fed magazine adaptor thing. for extra style points using spooky 3D printing to make it
Allt som inte ändrar funktionen på geväret är tillåtet, dvs om du har ett repetergevär får du ej göra det till en halvautomat tex. Pipan måste också vara över 45cm.
oh wait this gets even better:
https://svenskjakt.se/start/nyhet/darfor-stoppar-polisen-nya-tikkastudsaren-jakt/
>the strange thing is that the parts that separate Tikka T3x Tac A1 from a regular Tikka T3x, are not parts that require a license and can be bought freely. you only need to change the original stock to a chassi system and then you have a gun that looks almost identical, completely legal
self-loading rifles are legal though. they just can't look too modern. the rule seems to be
>looks like a military rifle from before WW2: OK
>looks like a military rifle from after WW2: no! not OK!
this makes me wonder whether an SKS would be fine..
>Only thing that you´re not allowed to do without prior approval is converting it to full auto
obviously, and that's a major functional change that I doubt any hunter would disagree with
>this makes me wonder whether an SKS would be fine..
Read the law and naturvårdsverkets rules. There is a set date and it has nothing to do with looking modern. An sks is not okay to hunt with.
>obviously, and that's a major functional change that I doubt any hunter would disagree with
Yet you wonder if you can sneak military surplus onto a hunting license
>oh wait this gets even better:
I'm aware. My point was that the police can deny your application for no reason whatsoever and it's then up to you to waste time and money going through court.
>this makes me wonder whether an SKS would be fine.
No because they basically ban any rifle that has seen military service (no one tell them about Israelis using 10/22s please). They've even denied applications for H&K SL6/7s because according to them they are too close to a G3, pic related. So M1 carbine, AG-42, M1 Garand, SVT-40 etc are off limits for hunting even though they have "traditional" rifle stocks. It's all very arbitrary though.
>It's all very arbitrary though.
only if you listen to what the police says, which you shouldn´t. They don´t actually have the mandate to decide these things.Take them to court, it´s free. Literally no reason not to do it.
>Take them to court, it´s free
Are you actually retarded?
https://www.domstol.se/en/amnen/overklaga-myndighetsbeslut/
>Kostar det något att överklaga ett beslut till förvaltningsrätten?
>Förvaltningsrätten tar inte ut någon avgift. Men om du väljer att anlita ett juridiskt ombud, till exempel en advokat, måste du själv betala det.
Didn´t know you got internet in the assisted living
>lawyers are free
>needing a lawyer for a gun case
My bro it´s like a 90% chance you win the case even if you don´t show up. And even then, even if you´re too retarded to make your own case, like it´s been pointed out, they´re not prejudicerande so you won´t fuck over any one else. It´s literally just being a nuisance to the cops. Turn in your spine and testicles if you´re too scared to even admit to them that you disagree.
this. also gun shops are likely to back you since they want more sales. so you might be able to get them in on it
>The police have political motivation to drag out the court proceedings as far as they can and it won't cost them anything. Just look at the aforementioned Tikka rifle court case
the difference is the police also have to deal with actual crime, and everyone here are autists with let's admit it plenty of free time
>knee deep in lawyer fees
don't waste money on lawyers
these seem to be the current consolidated rules:
https://www.naturvardsverket.se/49096b/globalassets/nfs/2002/nfs2002-18k.pdf
11§ is relevant. but then how does the police or nvv know what the intent of the weapons manufacturer is? what is a "civilian type"? if Armalite makes a bolt-action AR-15, are then a semiautomatic AR-15 ok?
just don't waste money on lawyers anon. I took Radiotjänst to court, didn't cost a single ear
the point is to waste the police's time, and the court's time, until they bend the knee
>the point is to waste the police's time, and the court's time, until they bend the knee
I think you have that backwards. The police have political motivation to drag out the court proceedings as far as they can and it won't cost them anything. Just look at the aforementioned Tikka rifle court case, the police dragged that out as far as they could and the guy is now knee deep in lawyer fees over something that shouldn't have to go to court in the first place.
>It´s literally just being a nuisance to the cops
Dude, they live for this shit. I'm not saying don't take them to court but claiming it'll be free is retarded.
>he police have political motivation to drag out the court proceedings as far as they can and it won't cost them anything.
And why do gun owners not have the political motivation to take their own cases to court? Also for free.
>but claiming it'll be free is retarded.
Don´t get a lawyer that wears a helmet when he walks? Don´t get a lawyer at all if you can walk without a helmet. 100% in that case
if you can get a case to where it might become prejudicerande, which is likely to take quite a bit of court spam, *then* it might be time to get the lawyers involved. but then it is also likely that you can get support from hunting clubs, gun shops etc who are also sick of this shit
it used to be that military semi autos before 1942 were allowed, but they removed that & now no military semi autos are allowed for hunting, no matter the age. What makes a military semi auto is generally if the weapon saw some service in militaries, but extends to weapons using the same action. SL7s have been denied because the police deemed them too close to G3s, because both are roller delayed. Same with certain Valmet models.
this doesn't explain why a bolt-action like the Tikka above is banned
I also heard something about the new gooberment supposedly wanting to make the rules less dumb, but like all promises made by these people I'll believe it when I see it
I generally chalk that up to the police not being well versed in firearms. Like sometimes guns get a pass, & sometimes they think "no that looks to scary we cant approve that!" Ive had police tell me that a K31 was too easy to convert to full auto before, so my experiences with the licensing division make me think they dont really know a lot of the time, or just go off google images.
I guess don't tell them any semi-auto can be converted to full auto with a small motor and a cam
They all seem pretty decent guns.
>Sweden
>6 guns max, ideally 4.
That really changes things, since these guns basically max you out. They seem to cover a lot of bases collectively, but are all kind of fuddish. I don't know what guns you currently have or plan to acquire, but you probably want to be very picky about what you get if there's such a tight limit.
Of the 4.
>Tikka 222/20ga
I'd pass. It's definitely versatile, but it's hard for a combination gun to be both a good rifle and shotgun.
>Husqvarna 6.5mm
Excellent cartridge and a pretty solid rifle. If you don't have a good bolt action this could fit the bill.
>Husqvarna 9.3x57mm
That one might be a bit of a stretch for the caliber. It's great for larger game, but that's if you really intend to hunt it. Not to mention recoil and ammo cost.
>Husqvarna 16ga
Looks pretty old and worn, but I would defer to anyone actually looking at it. 16ga is more common in Europe, but there are so many better shotguns available nowadays. I'd pass on this one.
Wasn't 6.5mm Swedish designed for the M96 receiver from the very beginning? Is the Husqvarna version less robust? Or is it like 30.06 where there are a bunch of modern hot-rodded deer xploder loads that will absolutely grenade any old rifle that fires it?
But anon, those laws only concern white citizens. Durkas can get all the gats and explosives they want and the cops are too scared to go after them
hunters don't care about what criminals do, so long as it doesn't cause shit to rain on them. which it won't, because the hunter corps collectively knows to behave and has quite a bit of pull politically
>you're normally only allowed six guns in Sweden
For hunting. Putting the SxS on a sport shooting license for skeet shooting or whatever is perfectly viable.
hmm I was initially going to say this sounds wrong but you may be right. I'll have to run this by a friend of mine who works as a sysadmin for the police and has a 9mm pistol on a sports license
>I´ll ask my cop buddy
Cuck alert!
There is no limit on how many guns you can own, period. If it´s for hunting and you got the jägarexamen then 4 are considered to be an amount any hunter would need, 6 if you´re a bit more active. You can own 100 guns for hunting, you just need to demonstrate need. Same goes for any category of shooting you do.
Yeah wtf that 16ga is probably the most awesome gun of the lot too
3000 SEK max, it's all junk
The two Mausers are not junk.
The model 46 (9.3mm) would probably sell for ~$400/4,000 SEK here in the US. The model 640 (6.5mm) would probably go for ~$550/5,500 SEK.
Can't say what the price would be in Europe, but I'd imagine it isn't much lower. 300 SEK is only like $30. $600 for the lot and a safe sounds like a really good deal, but the relative might not take it if they know what the guns are worth.
pic unrelated
Those are like €200 guns in Finland at best
prices in Sweden are not the same as prices in Burgerstan. no one collects 6.5's or 9.3's since they're so common. you can go on blocket.se or tradera.com and find boomers selling off their guns every week. here's a 100 dollarbucks example: https://www.blocket.se/annons/ostergotland/husqvarna_studsare/108500759
an over-under 12ga for $100: https://www.blocket.se/annons/dalarna/hungaria_2000e_hagel_gevar_bock_/108454302
I looked a bit more at export, and it seems the fee is 870 SEK. maybe long term flipping guns on US sites might be good. where do collectors for these things tend to congregate?
>where do collectors for these things tend to congregate
In person at random county gun shows.
Actual collectors for those sorts of guns are few and very far between. The people here would be more interested in an American old rifle, and people into European guns in general are not common. Not to mention you're going to have to have an American FFL doing the selling/storage/marketing on this end. Imports are only wroth it if brought over in bulk or rare items like the FRF2/H&H.
Simpson Ltd, who I mentioned before, brought in a bunch a couple of years ago and is still trying to sell them.
yeah I noticed the FFL thing on gunbroker.com. if I was sure I would be able to sell say 10+ guns then maybe the hassle would be worth it. if not then not so much
>selling 10 guns is worth establishing a legal business in a foreign country
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
16 gauge is based. Reload for that shit. I'd get rid of the over-under or the 6.5 husky, unless you don't want the spud gun for some unfathomably blasphemous reason.
while on the topic of Swedish gun laws, have any anons here managed to get a hold of guns that were previously not legal for hunting? for example the AR-15 or AR-10 as previously mentioned
Both rifles are based on the m/96 reciever and are unsafe with full power loads. Especially with hard monolithic bullets. That said, only norma produces factory ammo for 9,3x57 and their loadings in that caliber are fine. The shotgun has basically no value today in sweden, the rifles can maaaaybe be sold for like 50 bucks a pop. The tikka is an ungainly hunk of iron, but they usually shoot ok and may be worth 250, 300 bucks. Just add a zero for swedish dalers.
>Both rifles are based on the m/96 reciever and are unsafe with full power loads
do you have a source on this?
everything else you say is in line with what I've heard so far
>It's great for larger game, but that's if you really intend to hunt it
I aim to hunt moose with the local team, but 6.5 is enough for that. I think 9.3 is only really for bear and even then only because of the dumb EU 2+1 cartridge rule
speaking of EU rules, the REACH directive means an end to lead in many cases. perhaps there will be an upswing in 9.3 as a result? naturvårdsverket has said that they might "grandfather" the 6.5 in copper even though it is likely to be below 9g/2.7kJ and 10g/2kJ. this strikes me as a recipe for suffering and eftersök with larger game
>9.3x57
black powder ?
nah, it's ultimately based on the 8mm Mauser which was always a smokeless cartridge. but I bet you could load it with black powder and get it over the legal class 1 limit for hunting moose lol
awwwwwwwhhhh cunt I want that husqvarna 16ga
When you get them, post pictures of the markings on the Husqvarna 9.3mm. I've been trying to dig up info on the commercial rifles they built on m/96 actions, but they're almost impossible to find in America.
you mean serial# and such? I might be able to get my dad to snap more pictures. also I'll be paying a visit in maybe a week or two. is there a Swedish general on this board?
>is there a Swedish general on this board
We have intermittent euro threads.
hmm. I guess I'll make a thread with a suitable marker when I get the info. let's say pic related
also detailed instructions of what markings you want exactly would be good, in a way that my boomer dad could understand
Oh I wasn't the guy asking for markings. I'd avoid posting serial numbers if I were you, seeing as they will be tied to you in a database eventually. He probably wants to see proof marks and such.
>seeing as they will be tied to you in a database eventually
anon the police already has this info
Have you tried emailing them? I can´t imagine that they don´t have records
Husqvarna stopped making rifles and sold the weapons plant off over 60 years ago to government. It was run as part of FFV-Carl Gustaf until the early 2000s when FFV-Carl Gustaf was shut down. The records exist, but they are in a box in some government storage area buried under piles of other records.
I don't have the money to personally hire a Swedish archivist to go dig through piles of unsorted records for a hobby. Commercial firearms history is hard as fuck to find info on and there's almost zero content online.
Just a good quality picture of the action and maybe a serial. Most Swedish guns in the US are military surplus. The only commercial guns you see are old .22s or the rifles Husqvarna built on FNH model 98 actions.
I have been trying to buy a commercial m/96 rifle (not converted surplus) forever.
I guess I'll have to bring my decent camera then, because my dad only sends shitty MMS pictures
>I have been trying to buy a commercial m/96 rifle (not converted surplus) forever.
sadly exporting guns to other mere mortals seems to be a huge hassle here. exporting tons of guns to theocratic assholes (the Saudis) and hecking Ukraine (don't mention Azov or you're a Pootinist) is perfectly fine though
Exporting old commercial stuff from the EU to the US is easy as fuck, it just takes time and a few hundred dollars/euros. I don't know why you're whining about modern defense contracts or the war, that has nothing to do with this.
>I have been trying to buy a commercial m/96 rifle (not converted surplus) forever
Well you haven't been trying very hard. Simpson Ltd has a handful of old husqvarnas for sale right now. When you search, you're looking for a "model 46," instead of whatever it was you were looking after.
every war materiel export in Sweden has to go through ISP (the Inspection for Strategic Products). this includes hunting rifles. maybe they rubber-stamp bolt-action rifles, maybe they don't. there's also a fee
I'm going to agree with
. we need pictures
>maybe they rubber-stamp bolt-action rifles, maybe they don't
They do. Have you never read a statement from isp? If isp handled our gun licenses we´d be rolling in ccw glock 18´s.
Police opinion. If you want a hunting weapon only consider what nvv and the law says. The police can suck a dick, they´re not the authority in charge.
>Have you never read a statement from isp?
I have not. maybe I'm colored by the bs behavior of our dear constabulary
>they´re not the authority in charge
unfortunately they are. the problem here is perhaps that there's more than one govt institution involved
>unfortunately they are
No, they are not. Nvv is by law the only authority on what guns are fit for use during hunting. The police has governing rights on sport weapons on the other hand.
I mean we can matter-of-fact observe that nvv give the cops plenty of leeway with wordings like "civilian type"
Not seeing a bolt gun thread.. Anyone have an opinion on an fnh 7mm mauser sporter? Looks nice, stock looks good. I dont know much about them aside from mauser 98 conversions were big in the late 50s or so. What would a price be? Like I said stock is nice, action is nice, blueing is nice.
>mauser 98 conversions
They made fuck loads of commercial guns and 7x57mm was one of the most popular cartridges they made them in. Unless it clearly has military markings, it's probably a commercial gun.
>stock is nice, action is nice, blueing is nice
None of that is helpful and conveys zero useful information. Post pictures or be specific using non-subjective condition terms. Hasn't a teacher ever told you you sound like an idiot using the word "nice?"
Lol. Thanks I guess. I'll go back tomorrow and get pics of the stamps and shit. I think it's probably a commercial but I don't know enough yet to tell the difference. I've been researching it for a few hours. Some are 1500, some are 500.. it looks like some old boys hunting rifle. Comes potentially with a couple hundred rounds of old 7mm and a leupold. Im getting 80s vibes, some boomer died and kids consigned a bunch of rifles. If this is still up tomorrow I'll check in.
Give them $1000 dollars they're family
>plug the 16ga
You must be retarded or European, probably both.
Ancient side-by-sides are absolutely worthless here