I hate all the self-inserting Zeon wank in Gundam, because Japanese caqn't get over being spanked in WW2 and have to glorify the guys who wiped out more of humanity in one week than had ever died in all the conflicts of human history.
Zeon is constantly caught in a cycle of being correct in their core ideology and being far too based for their own good. It makes them really interesting antagonists and even decent allies against a worse enemy. It’s a small wonder people in-universe keep on trying to do “Zeon but right this time” and equally small wonder the writers do.
Their core ideology is horse shit.
People weren't made to live without gravity and newtypes can both develop on Earth and clearly aren't the path to human advancement, since multiple tyrannical villains being newtypes show they can be just as petty, power-hungry and monstrous as anyone else, just with psychic powers on top of it.
NTA and not glorifying Zeon which is just a trope reused in loop.
But the suggestion is that Newtype would in-fact allow hivemind-level of going well together/utopia, you would easily isolate the crazy people if you could look into their soul. All NT protag turn many enemy around.
The problem is that within the setting the most useful use of Newtype are pilots who can single-handedly turn the tide of a battle.
Also Zeon's start come from the Federation being extremely corrupt and stagnant, even if you removed Zeon (for real this time) the Federation would invent another enemy to justify their army.
Of course, retconing this is how Gundam justify itself as a franchise too.
Its a shitty manga that is basically someone wanting to write their own original story but is coating it with a veneer of an existing franchise to get published.
Armata's just bursting out of the ground by the thousands near Moscow like that awful fuckin scene in Rise of Skywalker. >"Pseudoscience, inbreeding. Secrets only the Kremlin knew."
Normies don't understand the subtle clues PAnon leaves us to decode >Mt Everest sex dungeon
this clue is clearly telling us that the Day of the Kope will begin when the sun shines perfectly through the Khalishov and Kblinka mountains in the Urals (the sun shaft is the penis).
Tsar Monke reveals that he is the King of All Russaiyans, an ancient race of genocidal simian warriors. The last remaining Russaiyans have been kept hidden in an underground complex where they have been cloned and enhanced to create an army worthy of conquering Earth as their new home.
My name is George Thomas from South Dakota, I'm very scared after hearing this news, I'm afraid that Russia will win in Ukraine and then conquer the rest of the world. We must sue for peace before Russia annexes all of Europe!
My name is John Smith fromm Ohio Oblast and i am very discouraged after hearing of this secret army. I advocate for the immediate disbanding of Nato to not poke the bear any further
My name is Peter Ivanovich from Jesusburg, West Virginia Oblast, and I support these opinions.
My name is Cuck gay from South Dakota, I'm very scared after hearing this news, I'm afraid that BBC will win in my asshole and then cover the rest of my body in ejaculent. We must sue for peace before this moron dick fucks us all!!!
>it's the same "we're actually holding back out best troops" gloves coming off cope
"You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equipped russian army" is however the truest russian statement ever made.
My name is John Smith fromm Ohio Oblast and i am very discouraged after hearing of this secret army. I advocate for the immediate disbanding of Nato to not poke the bear any further
Wagner is also "shadow banned" on every media channel that is paid by government and lots of radios and shit stopped running their ads. If nothing changes Wagner will simply cease to exist within a month or two with their current rate of losses.
yeah I followed that. Prigozhin flew too close to the sun and now he's being pushed into irrelevance, I guess it beats tripping out of a window.
Also some Russian opposition media said that earlier last year there was an attempt by Prigozhin, Kadyrov and some General whose name escapes me to take control over the military and that is the reason why the MoD now borderline denies the existence of Wagner.
That would explain things, but as I said it's opposition media so take what they say with a grain of salt.
What the fuck was even the point from the start? >'We sacrifice worthless Russians first so you can arm up Ukraine in that time. Once the first 200k soldiers have died we will send in the REAL army!'
What sort of anime villain logic is that? Who would support such a government?
Correct, it makes no sense, especially considering that wasting the element of surprise to send in the shitters is a terrible plan and we have evidence of elite units like VDV and 1st Guards Tank being present in the fighting.
It's just some shitty excuse people latched on to who couldn't swallow the pill of the Russian army being worse than they imagined.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now that you mention it, it all sounds like manufactured tensions to make it seem like they're divided when they're all towing the line.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Prigozhin, Kadyrov and some General
That general was none other than the General Imgettinouttakherson who got demoted to a relative "nobody" this year. Kadyrov got supposedly poisoned (some of his people as well) and Prigozhyn is getting his wings cut off before he's irrelevant enough to the point where when he eventually trips and falls out of the window nobody will even care.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Kadyrov got supposedly poisoned
Yeah, and Putin has terminal cancer and only days to live. They disseminate this bullshit themselves to make them appear weak.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That would explain things, but as I said it's opposition media so take what they say with a grain of salt.
When Lyman fell All Prigozhin controlled media blamed it on Lapin(Shoigu's guy), after that he was removed, after few months they started to shit on Shoigu, demanding his resignation due to failures of Russian army(all blamed on him), this went on for few weeks while Shoigu did nothing. Then one day he came out with news that they are opening criminal investigation into all those pundits that shit on him. Then Armageddon got replaced, Lapine returned and later we learned that Wagner no longer is allowed to recruit in prisons, as well as those fights for ammo.
There clearly was attempt to discredit Shoigu and had him removed but it failed
Could you imagine if the Americans failed at sieging Baghdad for a year only for the CEO of Blackwater to say that a secret American army will take it?
No PMC on the earth exists that would willingly do what Wagner does in Bakhmut. But real PMCs are not fully controlled by FSB and with death squads specifically created to kill anyone who dares say a wrong word.
I meant before the war. When they sent it to Africa to do the governments dirty work, without the government having to admit any connection
Now that you mention it, it all sounds like manufactured tensions to make it seem like they're divided when they're all towing the line.
Nah man, the infighting is real, the only thing I'm doubting if it really goes as far as an attempted coup
>Prigozhin, Kadyrov and some General
That general was none other than the General Imgettinouttakherson who got demoted to a relative "nobody" this year. Kadyrov got supposedly poisoned (some of his people as well) and Prigozhyn is getting his wings cut off before he's irrelevant enough to the point where when he eventually trips and falls out of the window nobody will even care.
>That would explain things, but as I said it's opposition media so take what they say with a grain of salt.
When Lyman fell All Prigozhin controlled media blamed it on Lapin(Shoigu's guy), after that he was removed, after few months they started to shit on Shoigu, demanding his resignation due to failures of Russian army(all blamed on him), this went on for few weeks while Shoigu did nothing. Then one day he came out with news that they are opening criminal investigation into all those pundits that shit on him. Then Armageddon got replaced, Lapine returned and later we learned that Wagner no longer is allowed to recruit in prisons, as well as those fights for ammo.
There clearly was attempt to discredit Shoigu and had him removed but it failed
The infighting is crazy. As if the war wasn't enough to follow you need to stay up to date on that drama aswell to get the bigger picture.
lmao, I though the "We're holding back out best stuff" narrative would have died out after a year of embarrassments
I'm happy to see someone reviving it, it gets funnier every time
What the fuck was even the point from the start? >'We sacrifice worthless Russians first so you can arm up Ukraine in that time. Once the first 200k soldiers have died we will send in the REAL army!'
What sort of anime villain logic is that? Who would support such a government?
It made some sense a year ago. If they knew they were going to take losses regardless, zerg rush with T72 so your better tanks aren’t also destroyed and use up the first ATGMs giving by the west. They didn’t need to engage in tank battles, they needed armored vehicles that ignored small arms and had a cannon.
A year and 200k casualties later it turns out, no that wasn’t strategy, that was the best the could actually do. Their newer stuff doesn’t work or doesn’t exist. Also they are too fucking stupid to know how to supply their troops with basics in a neighboring country 300 miles from their capital.
Putin is reinstating the ancient code of chivalry. You fight hand to hand and trade lands as good will gestures. Soon, Putin will offer to marry his daughter to Zelenskyy’s son and the war will be over.
There's a word for someone who announces that their eyebrow will be raised and they will be taking off their gloves and then neither happens for 12 months. I think it's "paraplegic".
Yeah that is actually within the realm of possibility. What I do doubt is that we'll get another collapse on the scale of Kharkiv, not with Russia digging defenses around everything they still hold and Ukraine's next goals being quite obvious.
Though either way I'm happy I was here to witness it when it did happen.
they really need to stick to the "we're fighting all of nato and thats why we arent winning" line.
nobody is dumb enough to still believe in the gloves and eyebrows after tens of thousands of casualties + kharkiv and kherson, not even the vatniks
He was replying to Strelkov's comments. He got mad and called him a psycho bro.
>"Since his political ambitions (multiplied by psychopathy, the organization's demonstrative war crimes, a tendency to shamelessly and in many respects falsely self-promote and spread rotten 'criminal concepts' to the armed forces)—only harm both Wagner and the common cause of victory over 'Ukraine,'" Girkin wrote.
>He continued: "However, all of the above (except for 'war crimes') also applies to the non-plywood Marshal [Sergei] Shoigu. In short, it is necessary to drive [out] both and it is better to drive [out] both at once, because 'two boots [become] a pair.'"
I meant before the war. When they sent it to Africa to do the governments dirty work, without the government having to admit any connection
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Nah man, the infighting is real, the only thing I'm doubting if it really goes as far as an attempted coup
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The infighting is crazy. As if the war wasn't enough to follow you need to stay up to date on that drama aswell to get the bigger picture.
>Nah man, the infighting is real, the only thing I'm doubting if it really goes as far as an attempted coup
So you keep saying, but the more I read these articles the more fake manufactured drama it looks like.
>manufactured drama
What would be the point? It divides the pro-war people within Russia.
Also didn't a Wagner unit get pasted in Syria by the US some years ago, allegedly due to infighting, I doubt that is also part of the big charade
>What would be the point?
Make them seem weak before a major attack or offensive, like the barrage of missiles that hit the power infrastructure again.
It's funny how all those reports about Putin's health vanished, but resurface every now and then. Same with Kadyrov butthole cancer or whatever it is.
If there's anything Russians are mildly competent at it's mind games and smoke screens, that's why I think this is all fictional bickering.
>that's why I think this is all fictional bickering.
You understand that this shit doesn't work on USA because they have if it was a plan USA would know it. Just like USA knew about invasion plan more than most of Russian ministers or oligarchs.
So for whom they are playing this theater?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean, really? They've been working the U.S. with idpol horseshit and isolationism for decades and it's worked beautifully.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're comparing different things. America already had idpol shit and isolationism tendencies, commies didn’t create them. Here you're implying that they someone going to hide their secret military plan of bickering between each other to achieve some battlefield results, they have been bickering for month, trying to destroy each other reputations and resources(in Wagner recruitment they specifically say that army lies about payment so you should join Wagner instead, while army cut their prisoner recruitment) just so one day, possibly they might get some tactical advantage because they will be more united than expected
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're comparing different things.
I am not.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA, but agitprop and counterintelligence are very different things.
But this internal bickering is occurring constantly. If it was a distraction for the west you think they'd pipe it down occasionally to not seem weak towards an internal audience, no?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Infighting in Nazi Germany was just a ploy to lul Allies into false sense of security. Authoritarian regimes never have competing factions and leader of such regime would never create different branches with overlapping responsibilities fighting among each other to maintain his own personal power
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The problem isn't the plausibility of the infighting, but how publicized it is. You have major news outlets posting articles of the beef between kady-daddy and shoigu-san, like a cheap gossip rag. It's so fucking retarded.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because each of them runs their own propaganda channels that cover opposite side in shit. Would you say that Trump and Democratic party where on same side? Of course not
>mildly competent at it's mind games and smoke screens
Come back when that totally not real infighting and subterfuge finally takes Bakhmut and all the shit they lost since the start of the entire special needs operation.
give possible opposition a controllable outlet that redirects efforts towards what the state wants
Strelkov is definitely this, I don't know about Fagner though, Kadyrov probably is as a muslim rep
Damn Strelkov spitting fire. Love how he accurately shits on both of them but still stops himself before accusing the Russian military of war crimes. Shows he’s smarter then Prigozhin
it's unreal how this literal basement dweller gay is constantly brought up on socials and in media just because he doomposts so much. it's like he was groomed into a source of negative propaganda made to underestimate the enemy.
>it's unreal how this literal basement dweller gay
Fucking FSB and former Donbabwean minister of defense >made to underestimate the enemy
He literally predicted every fucking failure of Russian army
>So you keep saying, but the more I read these articles the more fake manufactured drama it looks like.
the kremlin is obviously capable of mounting some pretty extreme psy-ops but russians in general are also pretty adept at being whiny backstabbing cunts - i think it's the latter here.
>scheduling fire support for mobiks without working radios >hosting shit-flinging contests between military leadership
Telegram: is there anything it can't do?
>This shit is all telenovela-level manufactured drama.
it would be great to act out and film actually; shitty vhs and collapsing sets, ridiculous costumes and over the top dialog - pretty much anti-kino.
I have infinitely more respect for Strelkov since he was actually fighting in the DPR and Priggy just likes to pose in military gear with his toy gun for photo ops.
They are talking about the Federal Defense Force from the mirror universe where Russia is a bastion of morality and righteousness and the leader of free and just world.
Little do they know even if they could bring this force into our branch of the continuum their leadership would quickly realize they’re being bamboozled and side with Ukraine in its fight for freedom and survival.
>wait until we use our real power >this is just a warm up fight
Are they operating on DBZ logic here? Is losing 200k troops the key to unlocking super Monke? Is there a Russian Krillin?
>You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equipped Russian army
I mean..
If I was a general I would probably open with the well-trained and equipped army..
But I guess waiting for a year is fine too, it's only costs a few dead vatniks after all...
Dictators don't keep strong armies because they are afraid of coups. There is not secret Russian army in reserve. What you see is what you get.
It doesn't matter what the Russian propaganda says. Just give it time. Bakhmut will eventually be overrun, but Bahkmut isn't Kyiv. The russians are throwing too much out to achieve too little.
>Bakhmut will eventually be overrun
only way it will get overrun if Ukrainians want Russians to move forwards from fortified positions so they can tear them to pieces
>only way it will get overrun if Ukrainians want Russians to move forward
Holy mother of cope
It’s been several days since the only road in/out was under Russian fire control. Have the you seen the videos of all the destroyed vehicles on the road? It’s over
>Have the you seen the videos of all the destroyed vehicles on the road? It’s over
you mean the ones with Russian markings and Ukrainian X markings so you don't destroy them as the vehicle is abandoned but working?
I saw Ukraine crosses on those vehicles. Also, how did Russian vehicles even get on that road in the first place, given that neither Wagner nor RuAF has gotten to that road yet. Did they teleport? Were they airdropped? lmao
You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equiped Russian army
Fucking called it
Though i thought the "the real russian army has never been tried" cope would come after the war, not while they still fucking wage it
I can't wait for Russia to start claiming they didn't use their full strength and they could have won if they wanted to while Russia is fractured by Civil War
You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equiped Russian army
Fucking called it
Though i thought the "the real russian army has never been tried" cope would come after the war, not while they still fucking wage it
They literally used that cope to explain the Kyiv front collapse
Love how they kept spouting that as the VDV ceased to exist around Hostomel and we found out after the Kharkiv rout that the 1st Guards Tank Army, the elite unit that's supposed to serve as the last line of defense for Moscow against NATO, got their shit kicked in at Kyiv.
>Love how they kept spouting that as the VDV ceased to exist around Hostomel
UA never captured it until after the RU relief force arrived, secured the airport and then left.
They didn't deploy the entire VDV in Kiev, they have plenty left. Reports of the degradation of Russia's military capabilities have been greatly exaggerated.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah and they didn't deploy 80k there, not even close
I can't wait for Russia to start claiming they didn't use their full strength and they could have won if they wanted to while Russia is fractured by Civil War
/k/ope this is just a minor anti-terror operation on the border supported by wagner, real army was never used
I can't wait for Russia to start claiming they didn't use their full strength and they could have won if they wanted to while Russia is fractured by Civil War
One day we'll arrive to a point where the vatniks will go >haha look at the west for spending billions thinking we have a "real" army
this. this is exactly the fucking point. how can they say they didn't try? yeah no shit we haven't seen well trained... but we HAVE seen good equipped. T-90M's for the 1st Guards isn't exactly meme shit. The Russians literally have sent in prototype and limited run vehicles. What the fuck have they got left? The only shit we've not seen are the T-15's and T-14's.
The Russians have refurbished the T-34s used in WW2 monuments across Russia. These tanks that defeated the Nazis once will do so again. The T-62 and BTR-50 is just a taste of the wunderwaffens that will come.
He is right, the newly mobilized RU soldiers (~300k) are still being trained and organized into new division level units being trained in combined arms operations, only a small portion were sent in right away to plug gaps. When they strike after Artyemovsk falls it will be like Operation Bagration 2.0
When this war is over, it's my opinion that all Russians should be required to serve a mandatory sentence as slave laborers to rebuild Ukraine. They will not be allowed any entertainment except Russian propaganda, which will be blared at uncomfortable volume during their non-work hours (save 4 hours set aside for sleep).
>yet ANOTHER twitter thread
This thread is of very low quality
>twitter
It is literal Fagner video, you mongrel, twitter text is translation.
It's so secret even the Russians can't find it.
>It's so secret even the Russians can't find it.
Moskva wasn't sunk, its carrying out a secret submarine patrol mission
It was only a few months ago you gays couldnt stop talking shit about 500k Russians being pulled of the streets and being drafted to fight.
Kek.
Oh yeah, those mobiks are now elite forces due to a tactical rape regiment. They can take a horse cock on command without flinching.
Its so well hidden, they will find it in two weeks.
Gonna love reading PAnon schizos in 2028 rant about THE SECRET UNDERGROUND VDV and PUTIN IS STILL ALIVE TRUST THE PLAN
Gonna post Chechens raping cut off head of Putin's daughter as a reply to these schizos.
You mean UNDERWATER VDV?!
Sounds like the plot of Gundam
I hate all the self-inserting Zeon wank in Gundam, because Japanese caqn't get over being spanked in WW2 and have to glorify the guys who wiped out more of humanity in one week than had ever died in all the conflicts of human history.
Zeon is constantly caught in a cycle of being correct in their core ideology and being far too based for their own good. It makes them really interesting antagonists and even decent allies against a worse enemy. It’s a small wonder people in-universe keep on trying to do “Zeon but right this time” and equally small wonder the writers do.
Their core ideology is horse shit.
People weren't made to live without gravity and newtypes can both develop on Earth and clearly aren't the path to human advancement, since multiple tyrannical villains being newtypes show they can be just as petty, power-hungry and monstrous as anyone else, just with psychic powers on top of it.
NTA and not glorifying Zeon which is just a trope reused in loop.
But the suggestion is that Newtype would in-fact allow hivemind-level of going well together/utopia, you would easily isolate the crazy people if you could look into their soul. All NT protag turn many enemy around.
The problem is that within the setting the most useful use of Newtype are pilots who can single-handedly turn the tide of a battle.
Also Zeon's start come from the Federation being extremely corrupt and stagnant, even if you removed Zeon (for real this time) the Federation would invent another enemy to justify their army.
Of course, retconing this is how Gundam justify itself as a franchise too.
Thunderbolt is closest to that, although that also had egregious Feddie wank.
Thunderbolt is fucking trash.
Its a shitty manga that is basically someone wanting to write their own original story but is coating it with a veneer of an existing franchise to get published.
Armata's just bursting out of the ground by the thousands near Moscow like that awful fuckin scene in Rise of Skywalker.
>"Pseudoscience, inbreeding. Secrets only the Kremlin knew."
maybe VDV could use the Zerg burrowing upgrade... Z and Z tactics end up eerily similar
VDV never died stupid westeners, they are fighting those nazi's on Antarctica and the moon
Z
Normies don't understand the subtle clues PAnon leaves us to decode
>Mt Everest sex dungeon
this clue is clearly telling us that the Day of the Kope will begin when the sun shines perfectly through the Khalishov and Kblinka mountains in the Urals (the sun shaft is the penis).
We call these clues P drops.
Tsar Monke reveals that he is the King of All Russaiyans, an ancient race of genocidal simian warriors. The last remaining Russaiyans have been kept hidden in an underground complex where they have been cloned and enhanced to create an army worthy of conquering Earth as their new home.
My name is George Thomas from South Dakota, I'm very scared after hearing this news, I'm afraid that Russia will win in Ukraine and then conquer the rest of the world. We must sue for peace before Russia annexes all of Europe!
My name is Peter Ivanovich from Jesusburg, West Virginia Oblast, and I support these opinions.
My name is Cuck gay from South Dakota, I'm very scared after hearing this news, I'm afraid that BBC will win in my asshole and then cover the rest of my body in ejaculent. We must sue for peace before this moron dick fucks us all!!!
Natos elite mulatto rape commandos are just waiting for Russia's strength to wane so they can go door to door sodimising all men
Terrific exchange fellas, I love it
They've been training in Hyperdimensional Megafortress Pisky, which is why the CIA couldn't find them.
>it's the same "we're actually holding back out best troops" gloves coming off cope
"You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equipped russian army" is however the truest russian statement ever made.
My name is John Smith fromm Ohio Oblast and i am very discouraged after hearing of this secret army. I advocate for the immediate disbanding of Nato to not poke the bear any further
Why this secret army is not trying to take Bakhmut?
They're saving their energy for the real offensive
>i'd kick your ass if i wanted to do it
those are the ones the US wastes in the first 30 minutes of the real war
I think Prigozhin is implying that the regular Russian Regulars are better than his Wagner troops.
Maybe they sharpen their shovels?
I think he's talking about Steinerkovsky secret army group
>Meir Monke
>Prighozin was unable to get enough convicts to defend Donetsk
Maybe he shouldn't recruit convicts, then.
Good News. He doesn't do that anymore.
Yep I think now the military proper does that instead.
It's internal power games all the way through
Wagner is also "shadow banned" on every media channel that is paid by government and lots of radios and shit stopped running their ads. If nothing changes Wagner will simply cease to exist within a month or two with their current rate of losses.
yeah I followed that. Prigozhin flew too close to the sun and now he's being pushed into irrelevance, I guess it beats tripping out of a window.
Also some Russian opposition media said that earlier last year there was an attempt by Prigozhin, Kadyrov and some General whose name escapes me to take control over the military and that is the reason why the MoD now borderline denies the existence of Wagner.
That would explain things, but as I said it's opposition media so take what they say with a grain of salt.
Correct, it makes no sense, especially considering that wasting the element of surprise to send in the shitters is a terrible plan and we have evidence of elite units like VDV and 1st Guards Tank being present in the fighting.
It's just some shitty excuse people latched on to who couldn't swallow the pill of the Russian army being worse than they imagined.
Now that you mention it, it all sounds like manufactured tensions to make it seem like they're divided when they're all towing the line.
>Prigozhin, Kadyrov and some General
That general was none other than the General Imgettinouttakherson who got demoted to a relative "nobody" this year. Kadyrov got supposedly poisoned (some of his people as well) and Prigozhyn is getting his wings cut off before he's irrelevant enough to the point where when he eventually trips and falls out of the window nobody will even care.
>Kadyrov got supposedly poisoned
Yeah, and Putin has terminal cancer and only days to live. They disseminate this bullshit themselves to make them appear weak.
>That would explain things, but as I said it's opposition media so take what they say with a grain of salt.
When Lyman fell All Prigozhin controlled media blamed it on Lapin(Shoigu's guy), after that he was removed, after few months they started to shit on Shoigu, demanding his resignation due to failures of Russian army(all blamed on him), this went on for few weeks while Shoigu did nothing. Then one day he came out with news that they are opening criminal investigation into all those pundits that shit on him. Then Armageddon got replaced, Lapine returned and later we learned that Wagner no longer is allowed to recruit in prisons, as well as those fights for ammo.
There clearly was attempt to discredit Shoigu and had him removed but it failed
Good thing Russian army is too incompetent to properly control
I think his point is the opposite, that the Wagner sardaukar are the real army.
the gloves vladimir....
Russians are degloving as we speak
Could you imagine if the Americans failed at sieging Baghdad for a year only for the CEO of Blackwater to say that a secret American army will take it?
>Blackwater
Blackwater would be actually be insanely expensive if you suggested they should do anything more dangerous than convoy escort
No PMC on the earth exists that would willingly do what Wagner does in Bakhmut. But real PMCs are not fully controlled by FSB and with death squads specifically created to kill anyone who dares say a wrong word.
Yeah. I mean after all Wagner is just the plausibly deniable special operations branch of the Russian military anyways
It is now, because they dunked all their SOF into the dnipro at the start of the war.
I meant before the war. When they sent it to Africa to do the governments dirty work, without the government having to admit any connection
Nah man, the infighting is real, the only thing I'm doubting if it really goes as far as an attempted coup
The infighting is crazy. As if the war wasn't enough to follow you need to stay up to date on that drama aswell to get the bigger picture.
Is Wagner really handled by the FSB? It would make some sense to why Prigozhin hasn't taken a 14 story free fall yet.
lmao, I though the "We're holding back out best stuff" narrative would have died out after a year of embarrassments
I'm happy to see someone reviving it, it gets funnier every time
Feel the wrath of naval guns mounted on mt-lb
What the fuck was even the point from the start?
>'We sacrifice worthless Russians first so you can arm up Ukraine in that time. Once the first 200k soldiers have died we will send in the REAL army!'
What sort of anime villain logic is that? Who would support such a government?
It made some sense a year ago. If they knew they were going to take losses regardless, zerg rush with T72 so your better tanks aren’t also destroyed and use up the first ATGMs giving by the west. They didn’t need to engage in tank battles, they needed armored vehicles that ignored small arms and had a cannon.
A year and 200k casualties later it turns out, no that wasn’t strategy, that was the best the could actually do. Their newer stuff doesn’t work or doesn’t exist. Also they are too fucking stupid to know how to supply their troops with basics in a neighboring country 300 miles from their capital.
Any day now the third corps will be here
ancient greek tactician tier
>What sort of anime villain logic is that? Who would support such a government?
Putin's favorite anime villain is Frieza.
Putin is reinstating the ancient code of chivalry. You fight hand to hand and trade lands as good will gestures. Soon, Putin will offer to marry his daughter to Zelenskyy’s son and the war will be over.
They've been mumbling about the gloves coming off since the initial assault on Kyiv failed.
There's a word for someone who announces that their eyebrow will be raised and they will be taking off their gloves and then neither happens for 12 months. I think it's "paraplegic".
This time it's true
My bad for assuming
T-34s still haven't showed up, trust the plan.
Never give up hope. We might get lucky and get a second blyatzkrieg offensive when the hidden mobilization get the targeted numbers.
I will never give up on the dream of a russian tactical convoy operation getting getto drivebyed by western MBTs with pride flags
Yeah that is actually within the realm of possibility. What I do doubt is that we'll get another collapse on the scale of Kharkiv, not with Russia digging defenses around everything they still hold and Ukraine's next goals being quite obvious.
Though either way I'm happy I was here to witness it when it did happen.
they really need to stick to the "we're fighting all of nato and thats why we arent winning" line.
nobody is dumb enough to still believe in the gloves and eyebrows after tens of thousands of casualties + kharkiv and kherson, not even the vatniks
>You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equiped Russian army
Yeah that has been true for 200 years now
This shit is all telenovela-level manufactured drama.
Prigozhin is an idiot. Why the fuck he take on fights with someone like Strelkov. It makes Prigozhin look weak for even acknowledging his existence.
He was replying to Strelkov's comments. He got mad and called him a psycho bro.
>"Since his political ambitions (multiplied by psychopathy, the organization's demonstrative war crimes, a tendency to shamelessly and in many respects falsely self-promote and spread rotten 'criminal concepts' to the armed forces)—only harm both Wagner and the common cause of victory over 'Ukraine,'" Girkin wrote.
>He continued: "However, all of the above (except for 'war crimes') also applies to the non-plywood Marshal [Sergei] Shoigu. In short, it is necessary to drive [out] both and it is better to drive [out] both at once, because 'two boots [become] a pair.'"
>Nah man, the infighting is real, the only thing I'm doubting if it really goes as far as an attempted coup
So you keep saying, but the more I read these articles the more fake manufactured drama it looks like.
>manufactured drama
What would be the point? It divides the pro-war people within Russia.
Also didn't a Wagner unit get pasted in Syria by the US some years ago, allegedly due to infighting, I doubt that is also part of the big charade
>What would be the point?
Make them seem weak before a major attack or offensive, like the barrage of missiles that hit the power infrastructure again.
It's funny how all those reports about Putin's health vanished, but resurface every now and then. Same with Kadyrov butthole cancer or whatever it is.
If there's anything Russians are mildly competent at it's mind games and smoke screens, that's why I think this is all fictional bickering.
>that's why I think this is all fictional bickering.
You understand that this shit doesn't work on USA because they have if it was a plan USA would know it. Just like USA knew about invasion plan more than most of Russian ministers or oligarchs.
So for whom they are playing this theater?
I mean, really? They've been working the U.S. with idpol horseshit and isolationism for decades and it's worked beautifully.
You're comparing different things. America already had idpol shit and isolationism tendencies, commies didn’t create them. Here you're implying that they someone going to hide their secret military plan of bickering between each other to achieve some battlefield results, they have been bickering for month, trying to destroy each other reputations and resources(in Wagner recruitment they specifically say that army lies about payment so you should join Wagner instead, while army cut their prisoner recruitment) just so one day, possibly they might get some tactical advantage because they will be more united than expected
>You're comparing different things.
I am not.
NTA, but agitprop and counterintelligence are very different things.
But this internal bickering is occurring constantly. If it was a distraction for the west you think they'd pipe it down occasionally to not seem weak towards an internal audience, no?
Infighting in Nazi Germany was just a ploy to lul Allies into false sense of security. Authoritarian regimes never have competing factions and leader of such regime would never create different branches with overlapping responsibilities fighting among each other to maintain his own personal power
The problem isn't the plausibility of the infighting, but how publicized it is. You have major news outlets posting articles of the beef between kady-daddy and shoigu-san, like a cheap gossip rag. It's so fucking retarded.
Because each of them runs their own propaganda channels that cover opposite side in shit. Would you say that Trump and Democratic party where on same side? Of course not
>mildly competent at it's mind games and smoke screens
Come back when that totally not real infighting and subterfuge finally takes Bakhmut and all the shit they lost since the start of the entire special needs operation.
give possible opposition a controllable outlet that redirects efforts towards what the state wants
Strelkov is definitely this, I don't know about Fagner though, Kadyrov probably is as a muslim rep
Damn Strelkov spitting fire. Love how he accurately shits on both of them but still stops himself before accusing the Russian military of war crimes. Shows he’s smarter then Prigozhin
it's unreal how this literal basement dweller gay is constantly brought up on socials and in media just because he doomposts so much. it's like he was groomed into a source of negative propaganda made to underestimate the enemy.
>it's unreal how this literal basement dweller gay
Fucking FSB and former Donbabwean minister of defense
>made to underestimate the enemy
He literally predicted every fucking failure of Russian army
>So you keep saying, but the more I read these articles the more fake manufactured drama it looks like.
the kremlin is obviously capable of mounting some pretty extreme psy-ops but russians in general are also pretty adept at being whiny backstabbing cunts - i think it's the latter here.
>scheduling fire support for mobiks without working radios
>hosting shit-flinging contests between military leadership
Telegram: is there anything it can't do?
>is there anything it can't do?
Protect your privacy and user data.
This is better than Destiny and his clown circus
What is a destiny.
A girl's name.
thats a-mazin'
>Prigozhin calling Strelkov a chud after Strelkov says he isn't doing a good job
>Inb4 prighozin writes the IRA shilling guide himself
kek
Prigozhin messing with putin and shoigu will save him from HIMARS but will wagner save him from the window accident?
>This shit is all telenovela-level manufactured drama.
it would be great to act out and film actually; shitty vhs and collapsing sets, ridiculous costumes and over the top dialog - pretty much anti-kino.
Some day we will be getting Death of Stalin -tier black comedy out of this war. Too bad that the title World War Z is already taken.
I have infinitely more respect for Strelkov since he was actually fighting in the DPR and Priggy just likes to pose in military gear with his toy gun for photo ops.
>someone said something bad about you, how do you respond
>he's a chud
AHAHAHAAHAHA
>Russia leadership is basically a bunch of /v/ermin
Makes sense.
>calls strelkov a litteral chud in the last part
i haven't laughed like a retard in a long time
>critiqued once
>immediately calls them a chud
Really cribbing from the 4chan playbook on that one.
No wonder he’s their guy
>You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equipped Russian army
Yeah, Prigozhin is right, we haven't because there isn't one anymore
They defeated the blocking troops and went home
>When Bakhmut falls
THEN THE EYEBROW WILL BE RAISED
The secret glove.
They are talking about the Federal Defense Force from the mirror universe where Russia is a bastion of morality and righteousness and the leader of free and just world.
Little do they know even if they could bring this force into our branch of the continuum their leadership would quickly realize they’re being bamboozled and side with Ukraine in its fight for freedom and survival.
>wait until we use our real power
>this is just a warm up fight
Are they operating on DBZ logic here? Is losing 200k troops the key to unlocking super Monke? Is there a Russian Krillin?
>there a Russian Krillin?
No but there have been plenty of Russian Yamcha's
>You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equipped Russian army
I mean..
If I was a general I would probably open with the well-trained and equipped army..
But I guess waiting for a year is fine too, it's only costs a few dead vatniks after all...
Dictators don't keep strong armies because they are afraid of coups. There is not secret Russian army in reserve. What you see is what you get.
It doesn't matter what the Russian propaganda says. Just give it time. Bakhmut will eventually be overrun, but Bahkmut isn't Kyiv. The russians are throwing too much out to achieve too little.
>Bakhmut will eventually be overrun
only way it will get overrun if Ukrainians want Russians to move forwards from fortified positions so they can tear them to pieces
>only way it will get overrun if Ukrainians want Russians to move forward
Holy mother of cope
It’s been several days since the only road in/out was under Russian fire control. Have the you seen the videos of all the destroyed vehicles on the road? It’s over
>Have the you seen the videos of all the destroyed vehicles on the road? It’s over
you mean the ones with Russian markings and Ukrainian X markings so you don't destroy them as the vehicle is abandoned but working?
I saw Ukraine crosses on those vehicles. Also, how did Russian vehicles even get on that road in the first place, given that neither Wagner nor RuAF has gotten to that road yet. Did they teleport? Were they airdropped? lmao
Because it wasn't in Bakhmut in the first place? Just wanted to see if you'd deny the markings.
they have been saying that since march last year
HH
All stationed in Moscow. Along with all of the Apocalypse tanks, Tesla Coils, and Terror Drones
You have not yet encountered a well-trained and equiped Russian army
Fucking called it
Though i thought the "the real russian army has never been tried" cope would come after the war, not while they still fucking wage it
I can't wait for Russia to start claiming they didn't use their full strength and they could have won if they wanted to while Russia is fractured by Civil War
They literally used that cope to explain the Kyiv front collapse
Love how they kept spouting that as the VDV ceased to exist around Hostomel and we found out after the Kharkiv rout that the 1st Guards Tank Army, the elite unit that's supposed to serve as the last line of defense for Moscow against NATO, got their shit kicked in at Kyiv.
>Love how they kept spouting that as the VDV ceased to exist around Hostomel
UA never captured it until after the RU relief force arrived, secured the airport and then left.
>VDV ceased to exist around Hostomel
VDV has 80k soldiers
*had
They didn't deploy the entire VDV in Kiev, they have plenty left. Reports of the degradation of Russia's military capabilities have been greatly exaggerated.
yeah and they didn't deploy 80k there, not even close
Proofs?
/k/ope this is just a minor anti-terror operation on the border supported by wagner, real army was never used
One day we'll arrive to a point where the vatniks will go
>haha look at the west for spending billions thinking we have a "real" army
>le opereyshunul spehz
>it's actually an ocean of mud
lol
>We purposefully trained and equipped them wrong as a joke
Good job, cocktard, now you have to stream it.
this. this is exactly the fucking point. how can they say they didn't try? yeah no shit we haven't seen well trained... but we HAVE seen good equipped. T-90M's for the 1st Guards isn't exactly meme shit. The Russians literally have sent in prototype and limited run vehicles. What the fuck have they got left? The only shit we've not seen are the T-15's and T-14's.
Where's the stream?
Open up Nordstream 2 if you're so great.
The cauldron has been raised.
The gloves are closed.
Soon the eyebrows will come off.
The Russians have refurbished the T-34s used in WW2 monuments across Russia. These tanks that defeated the Nazis once will do so again. The T-62 and BTR-50 is just a taste of the wunderwaffens that will come.
yes, they're not all drunks and sodomites?
kek. this is the dumbest shit I've read all week.
>Redpill me on the secret Russian army
the infamous Kubinka Tank Museum Brigade
Is Prigozhin finally admitting that Wagner Group isn't well trained and equipped?
May we see it?
Whoa I'm so scared HATObros.... how can we possibly recover from not knowing about the secret army lying in wait all this time?!
technically not a lie
ALL THE VDV IN DC AND NEW YORK WERE A FEINT
IT'S THE REAL RUSSIAN ARMY
He is right, the newly mobilized RU soldiers (~300k) are still being trained and organized into new division level units being trained in combined arms operations, only a small portion were sent in right away to plug gaps. When they strike after Artyemovsk falls it will be like Operation Bagration 2.0
>Operation Blyadration
When this war is over, it's my opinion that all Russians should be required to serve a mandatory sentence as slave laborers to rebuild Ukraine. They will not be allowed any entertainment except Russian propaganda, which will be blared at uncomfortable volume during their non-work hours (save 4 hours set aside for sleep).