I just don't get it. France and Italy have clearly set a course for the uniformity of their fleets. HORIZON, FREMM, Vulcano, future EPC. And this looks rational, not only for these two, but for Europe as a whole. But with all the progress they have achieved, Italy and France suddenly developed separate frigate designs that are extremely similar in size, armament and capabilities.
Why so? Wouldn't it be more obvious to continue cooperation and design a new ship together?
mutts bought FREMMs so now they're cringe
>PPA looks way cooler
Burgerbros
They took this spaghetta beauty from us.
Hasn't the FTI been enhanced with a second set of 2x8 A50 VLS cells? IIRC they eventually realized the Greek requirement was reasonable, and decided to expand it to French vessels as well.
>PPA and FTI
Are they really that similar?
>this looks rational, not only for these two, but for Europe as a whole
what are you, a frog & spaget shipyard shill?
British, German and Dutch shipyards are quite good as well
>British, German and Dutch shipyards are quite good as well
That's the point. Imagine if not only France and Italy, but also these three + Spain took up a joint project. Vgh...
Too many voices at the table with different needs. If you have that many major partners cooperating the project ends up being too cumbersome.
There is only 12% commonality between french and italian FREMM and italians are making all the money with the FREMM, so the french went back to what they do best: sticking to their own stuff. Any questions?
Oh ffs they're LITTORAL PATROLLERS you immense gay. They are built for different missions in different settings, FREMMs are multipurpose frigates.
Littoral patrollers aren't armed with SAMs, AShMs and torpedoes, anon.
>Paolo Thaon di Revel (P430) is the lead ship of Paolo Thaon di Revel-class offshore patrol vessel.
>offshore patrol vessel.
At 5000+ tons, they're not OPVs, except at most for accounting purposes.
Besides, they've revised their initial plans, and they're not going to produce any ships in gun-only config. All ships will carry SAMs.
Different size, the french navy doesn't have the money and crews to replace their aging LaFayette with bigger units.
And both Naval Group and Ficantieri are doing pretty well exporting their designs, so...
>but for Europe as a whole
Frogs & Pavarottis care about the Med sea
Ulrich cares about the North Sea
Nigel cares about the North & Med seas
Frogs & Nigels also care about blue water ops across oceans. Neither are that serious about it, but Nigel is more serious than Pierre
They do not ALL want the same boat
yeah yeah shut up and buy our FREMMs, Smith-Kowalsky-Cohen-Rodriguez
Frog here. We're more serious (or at least we want to be) about blue water ops than Med. Our leadership wants to deter China from fucking with our overseas territories in the Pacific. We let Italy deal with Med security.
You need more of those unsexy auxillary/logistics ships. But then again, don't we all
PPA looks way cooler