Fpbp. But it only exists because if the ar15 consoomer market just won't stop.
Personally, if I lived in a straight wall state I'd get a god damn 45-70 or a slug barrel for my 12 gauge. Orrrrrrrr if I HAVE to use an AR15, 450 Bushmaster. Who cares about proprietary magazines, you only have to buy like two, and that pales in comparison to the price of a new upper.
350 legend will die when the wider adoption of AR-10 size magwell rifles thanks to the NGSW happens.
It's like if 5.56 was bigger. Less range, better inside 250 meters.
I think it's a good option for home defense and hunting, things that are usually close.
For home defense, I think it would fit the "thumper" doctrine quite well. It's definitely punching through thick clothing, and any burgler is going down in a few shots, doubly so if you got hollow or soft tips loaded
Honestly for me seems like a viable skinwalker hunting cartridge. Can carry good amounts of ammo, fit on a standard AR upper, and seems like it packs a hell of a punch. Also quick follow up shots. I don’t see me shooting at a fricking scary monster beyond a hundred yards.
Seems like the 2nd best choice outside of 308 for monster hunting.
That's another thing, recoil isn't a monster from every video I've seen. I may be a bit biased, being a 300 win mag connesoure, but having the ability to lay down 30 rounds of 9mm hate on a thick skinned hog/ home invader accurately makes this a bit of a wonder round. As long as you're willing to accept short range, it'll do u well
It's a 9mm that will frick up both home intruders and deer/hogs alike. You can get them in bolt actions or AR platforms alike, whatever your preference. It's the 5.45x39mm vs 7.62x39mm argument notched up to 11. Honestly it would be intriguing to see a AP version by some crazy fudd, or heck, SOCCOM
Makes .300 blackout seem… kinda dumb. Because it looks like this definitely can’t go into battery in a 5.56 chamber like .300 blackout can. You can lob even heavier subsonics than .300 blackout while retaining all the mag and bolt compatibility.
>Because it looks like this definitely can’t go into battery in a 5.56 chamber like .300 blackout can.
That's because it uses a completely novel base cartridge that can die any minute if manufacturer support stops. .300 Blackout can be formed from .223 brass, meaning it's much more practical for reloading (as it was originally conceived).
Yes, .300BLK offer the oppurtunity for a Darwin award - but at least it doesn't headspace on the mouth, which is moron design for rifles, especially if you like accuracy. >You can lob even heavier subsonics than .300 blackout
Heaviest .350 Legend I've seen goes to 255, heaviest .300BLK is 260 grains, both at 1050 FPS. Note that even at an identical weight, the .300BLK will have a flatter trajectory and better accuracy (due to a better bullet shape) and a higher sectional density, which is what you need for penetration (especially since you don't have velocity to penetrate with). >while retaining all the mag and bolt compatibility.
You need different magazines to reliably feed .350 Legend, and nobody makes a 30 rounder (only 5/10/15/20), so that's suboptimal. Not that you need it for hunting, which is what .350 was designed for, but it's still a point. Also, you lose brass compatibility.
They'll make brass for it as long as the niche for it is still around. 20 years down the line when the current generation of fudds are dead, you can buy a new barrel for $100 and turn it into whatever the meme AR-15 caliber is at the time.
>That's because it uses a completely novel base cartridge that can die any minute if manufacturer support stops.
Isn't 350 legend literally just necked up .223?
Big, fat, and based. Hogs will go down flat as pancakes, all because of the stupid laws that forced innovation. Lawmakers be coping and seething, that's the biggest red pill of all
Depends on the manufacturer, go ask them just to be sure. Most 9mm are .355 inches, but most suppressors should (emphasis: SHOULD) have a few thou tolerance.
>260s.
I don't see any for sale anywhere. >Flat shooting subsonic
Wat
First google result, here's the second. >https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021030135 >inb4 out of stock
That's what happens in an ammo shortage. You can load your own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
350 L 255 grain is in stock.
Hmmmmmmmmm
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ammunition is in stock despite shortage
Dead caliber confirmed.
How much more pen do you want?
Is being btfo'd tiring?
The original claim was: >can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
Note that the 150 and 180 grain bullets from that video are rifle bullets, intended for use at rifle velocities. Not ''pistol bullets'', because if you take a regular old 124 grain JHP intended for 9mm use it's not going to retain any mass. The bullets shown perform admirably exactly because they were designed for that purpose. Once factory support for .350 dries up, there's no way to get a hold of that type of projectile, because not even Winchester sells them for reloading - and then you're forced to use pistol bullets which will not retain weight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I want to like .350 Legend so bad, but it's just not there yet, and they made dumbass design choices. It could easily be a fantastic choice for HD and even a PDW inside of 200 yards with just minimal effort.
>New cartridge that requires new brass and magazines >Rebated rim >Not based on 5.45x39 case, which has only slightly larger base diameter and would allow for fire forming from said parent case, which could easily be made and marketed by Olin with Russian ammo being b7 >.355 vs .358 bullets in vast majority of loads, with several users reporting .358 bullets being unusable in unmodified chambers >No 275 or 300+ grain bullets commercially loaded >Few copper bullets loads
>Pistol bullets will not retain weight
Copper bullets exist. They retain weight unless driven absurdly fast. Beyond that, bullets designed for .35 Remington should be able to be swaged.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>Not based on 5.45x39 case
That would be even more stupid, there's hardly any 5.45x39 bolt face rifles out there. A regular 7.62x39 is much more common, the same boltface being used in 6mm ARC, 6.5 Grendel, 9x39 and basic brass (not necked down) being readily available.
>That's because it uses a completely novel base cartridge that can die any minute if manufacturer support stops.
Isn't 350 legend literally just necked up .223?
Nope, uses rebated rim brass. You can only really neck up .223 Remington to .338 (e.g. .338 Whisper #1), and they wanted a .35x bullet, so they had to completely design it from scratch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah, that sucks. It does use a standard 5.56 bolt though right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That would be even more stupid, there's hardly any 5.45x39 bolt face rifles out there. A regular 7.62x39 is much more common
First, the entire point of .350 legend is to be the smallest 50 state legal straight walled hunting cartridge that fits in an AR. 7.62x39 necked up to .358 does not straight wall. 5.45x39 necked up to .358 does, with decent taper. Don't care about straight walls? Different discussion.
Second, with a decent number of ak74's on the market and damn near zero domestic manufacturing for 5.45x39, it could have allowed them to double-dip with minimal retooling instead of creating an entirely new case. But even if you wanted to keep the bolt face standard, they could have rebated that case just as easily. (As an aside, there are reports of people making 5.45 brass by heavily modifying .222 and .223 cases. They apparently work with unmodified ak74 bolts despite the rebated rim)
Third, being as most shooters buy the entire upper or rifle instead of replacing barrel, the bolt face issue...isn't, commercially speaking. As you said, several AR cartridges are based on the 7.62x39 parent case. That didn't happen over night.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Third, being as most shooters buy the entire upper or rifle instead of replacing barrel, the bolt face issue...isn't, commercially speaking.
Yes it is, by manufacturing voume alone the price of a niche bolt face is going to be more expensive than a standard .223 or x39.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ammunition is in stock despite shortage
Dead caliber confirmed.
[...]
The original claim was: >can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
Note that the 150 and 180 grain bullets from that video are rifle bullets, intended for use at rifle velocities. Not ''pistol bullets'', because if you take a regular old 124 grain JHP intended for 9mm use it's not going to retain any mass. The bullets shown perform admirably exactly because they were designed for that purpose. Once factory support for .350 dries up, there's no way to get a hold of that type of projectile, because not even Winchester sells them for reloading - and then you're forced to use pistol bullets which will not retain weight.
Found my source. Pistol bullets can handle 2200 FPS and hold up just as well as a good amount of defensive 5.56 loads.
16:20
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Can buy cartridge >Proof it's bad
Holy cope Batman
>It is designed to fire .355-357 with most factory bullets being .355.
Yeah, I just looked up SAAMI spec. That is utterly moronic, really limiting bullet selection - at least in .358 you have bullets that will hold up to that velocity, but SAAMI max is .357. >the concept of true rifle performance out of a legitimate pistol-length barrel is promising and taking the most plentiful bullet on the market is a dream for reloaders.
Why not do that on readily available brass - I don't know, the x39 base? .30 Remington? The raison d'etre of .350 Legend (being straightwalled) is exactly the reason that stupid design decision came to be. >You can always theoretically go up in weight with a straight walled cartridge and the wider diameter round will universally be heavier.
For any given amount of weight, the smaller diameter will have better sectional density. However, the straight-walled cartridge cannot be significantly heavier because it runs into COAL problems - a 325 grain 350 Legend would have so little room for powder it couldn't even get up to 1050FPS. Same reason you can't do 270+ grain projectiles in a .338 Whisper #1: not enough powder capacity. This would have been solved by going to x39.
>as a PDW round meant for close quarters and possible suppressed use, it...
...is severely limited by the fact that you can only get a 20 round magazine for it. You can get more rounds of 9x39 in a STANAG (24 iirc). If only those stupid Russians had used .355 for that instead of .36-something...
>Limited bullet selection
Yeah just every .357magnum, 9mm and 350 legend bullet ever made.
Ah, that sucks. It does use a standard 5.56 bolt though right?
Right.
These comments boil down to >It's not literally perfect so it's trash.
It's excellent.
Can you understand that bullet names don’t always correspond with the actual diameter of the bullet? This shit came out like a year ago and I don’t know dick about it.
Secret top-tier PDW cartridge disguised as a fudd hunting round. >fits in STANAG and is barely different in dimensions to 5.56, meaning it is potentially compatible with anything in 5.56 if there's a barrel for it >moronic cheap to reload thanks to using .355 bullets >1200 ft lbs in a 7" barrel (1900 FPS 150gr) >potential to load massive 250+gr bullets in subsonics >can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
It's capable of putting .300 BLK in the dirt permanently, but it needs solid industry support and an emphasis on the tacticool aspect instead of this weird niche hunting cartridge that only applies in like 2 states.
>fits in STANAG
But requires different mag geometry and follower for proper functioning >and is barely different in dimensions to 5.56, meaning it is potentially compatible with anything in 5.56 if there's a barrel for it
Except brass manufacturers because of rebated rim design >moronic cheap to reload thanks to using .355 bullets
Actually uses uncommon .358 bullets, unless you want to sacrifice accuracy >potential to load massive 250+gr bullets in subsonics
As can .300BLK and .338 Spectre. >>can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
While lacking decent accuracy and weight retention, thus actually lacking penetration. >It's capable of putting .300 BLK in the dirt permanently
Not with that rebated rim it isn't.
>.358 bullet diameter
This was a rumor when the cartridge was fresh. It is designed to fire .355-357 with most factory bullets being .355. I have seen 147gr XTPs fired from it with 1-3 MOA accuracy. >rebated rim/mag compatibility
I understand the difficulty of it having market support due to the rebated rim and fricky dimensions, but the sole function is incredibly strong. It's a real shame that a 5.56 case is just a little too small to be a parent case, because it would be perfect. While industry support is a good argument for longevity (especially with proprietary brass), the concept of true rifle performance out of a legitimate pistol-length barrel is promising and taking the most plentiful bullet on the market is a dream for reloaders. >.300 BLK and .338 Spectre can load 250gr+
You can always theoretically go up in weight with a straight walled cartridge and the wider diameter round will universally be heavier. 325gr would probably not be out of the question for subs if we really want to push it. >lacking decent accuracy and weight retention, thus actually lacking penetration.
This exact thing has been tested with 147gr XTPs. It makes it clean through 2 one-gallon jugs of water, which is the bane of a high-velocity wide diameter bullet made of soft pistol lead, and it managed to keep the core intact. That is at least over 12" of penetration in a medium FAR harder on a bullet than gel, although not very scientific.
Overall, .300 BLK and .338 Spectre do have a place in applications over 200 yards that .350L can't even hope to compete with, but as a PDW round meant for close quarters and possible suppressed use, it currently has no equal. Stuff like the Sig Rattler is the exact use case where .350L massively outshines .300 BLK in the same application.
>It is designed to fire .355-357 with most factory bullets being .355.
Yeah, I just looked up SAAMI spec. That is utterly moronic, really limiting bullet selection - at least in .358 you have bullets that will hold up to that velocity, but SAAMI max is .357. >the concept of true rifle performance out of a legitimate pistol-length barrel is promising and taking the most plentiful bullet on the market is a dream for reloaders.
Why not do that on readily available brass - I don't know, the x39 base? .30 Remington? The raison d'etre of .350 Legend (being straightwalled) is exactly the reason that stupid design decision came to be. >You can always theoretically go up in weight with a straight walled cartridge and the wider diameter round will universally be heavier.
For any given amount of weight, the smaller diameter will have better sectional density. However, the straight-walled cartridge cannot be significantly heavier because it runs into COAL problems - a 325 grain 350 Legend would have so little room for powder it couldn't even get up to 1050FPS. Same reason you can't do 270+ grain projectiles in a .338 Whisper #1: not enough powder capacity. This would have been solved by going to x39.
>as a PDW round meant for close quarters and possible suppressed use, it...
...is severely limited by the fact that you can only get a 20 round magazine for it. You can get more rounds of 9x39 in a STANAG (24 iirc). If only those stupid Russians had used .355 for that instead of .36-something...
It's actually a pretty versatile cartridge, anon. If people want to have fun with it in non-turbofudd states, let them. It's effectively a US analog to .366 TKM as well interestingly enough.
Have you ever wanted a cartridge that was less work to hand load than a bottleneck cartridge, legal in nearly any state in the US for mid-size game, still high pressure enough to get close to the .35" rounds of old, and worked out of a very reliable autoloader? Congrats, here's the cartridge for you.
Fits in AR magazine. Usable on medium game in states and countries that require straight wall cartridges. That’s about it.
Fpbp. But it only exists because if the ar15 consoomer market just won't stop.
Personally, if I lived in a straight wall state I'd get a god damn 45-70 or a slug barrel for my 12 gauge. Orrrrrrrr if I HAVE to use an AR15, 450 Bushmaster. Who cares about proprietary magazines, you only have to buy like two, and that pales in comparison to the price of a new upper.
350 legend will die when the wider adoption of AR-10 size magwell rifles thanks to the NGSW happens.
Fudd cartridge. That's it
.357 maximum. Pretty good cartridge overall if you live in a straight wall hunting state. Would put big holes in people and deer.
It's like if 5.56 was bigger. Less range, better inside 250 meters.
I think it's a good option for home defense and hunting, things that are usually close.
For home defense, I think it would fit the "thumper" doctrine quite well. It's definitely punching through thick clothing, and any burgler is going down in a few shots, doubly so if you got hollow or soft tips loaded
>It's definitely punching through thick clothing, and any burgler is going down in a few shots
This is true of every bullet though.
.22 short
A screaming 710 fps @ 29gr
Yes, including .22 short.
Honestly for me seems like a viable skinwalker hunting cartridge. Can carry good amounts of ammo, fit on a standard AR upper, and seems like it packs a hell of a punch. Also quick follow up shots. I don’t see me shooting at a fricking scary monster beyond a hundred yards.
Seems like the 2nd best choice outside of 308 for monster hunting.
That's another thing, recoil isn't a monster from every video I've seen. I may be a bit biased, being a 300 win mag connesoure, but having the ability to lay down 30 rounds of 9mm hate on a thick skinned hog/ home invader accurately makes this a bit of a wonder round. As long as you're willing to accept short range, it'll do u well
It's a 9mm that will frick up both home intruders and deer/hogs alike. You can get them in bolt actions or AR platforms alike, whatever your preference. It's the 5.45x39mm vs 7.62x39mm argument notched up to 11. Honestly it would be intriguing to see a AP version by some crazy fudd, or heck, SOCCOM
Bullet weights are all over the place, from 124g FMJ to 180g SP. Looks like at least some people like the 180g SP for hog.
255 grain subsonic also.
Those subsonics practically make it a pseudo 9x39, perfect for home defense while not blowing your ears out
That's the final plan for my HD gun. Waiting on the can :(.
big hole make bad guy deader
yes but quietly
Interesting
Makes .300 blackout seem… kinda dumb. Because it looks like this definitely can’t go into battery in a 5.56 chamber like .300 blackout can. You can lob even heavier subsonics than .300 blackout while retaining all the mag and bolt compatibility.
>300 blackout is really dumb
Correct.
>Because it looks like this definitely can’t go into battery in a 5.56 chamber like .300 blackout can.
That's because it uses a completely novel base cartridge that can die any minute if manufacturer support stops. .300 Blackout can be formed from .223 brass, meaning it's much more practical for reloading (as it was originally conceived).
Yes, .300BLK offer the oppurtunity for a Darwin award - but at least it doesn't headspace on the mouth, which is moron design for rifles, especially if you like accuracy.
>You can lob even heavier subsonics than .300 blackout
Heaviest .350 Legend I've seen goes to 255, heaviest .300BLK is 260 grains, both at 1050 FPS. Note that even at an identical weight, the .300BLK will have a flatter trajectory and better accuracy (due to a better bullet shape) and a higher sectional density, which is what you need for penetration (especially since you don't have velocity to penetrate with).
>while retaining all the mag and bolt compatibility.
You need different magazines to reliably feed .350 Legend, and nobody makes a 30 rounder (only 5/10/15/20), so that's suboptimal. Not that you need it for hunting, which is what .350 was designed for, but it's still a point. Also, you lose brass compatibility.
>260s.
I don't see any for sale anywhere.
>Flat shooting subsonic
Wat
They'll make brass for it as long as the niche for it is still around. 20 years down the line when the current generation of fudds are dead, you can buy a new barrel for $100 and turn it into whatever the meme AR-15 caliber is at the time.
>That's because it uses a completely novel base cartridge that can die any minute if manufacturer support stops.
Isn't 350 legend literally just necked up .223?
No. It uses a proprietary case. .223 necked up to .357 is a wildcat known by several names, like .357 AR, .357 AutoMax, or .357 Maximum Rimless.
>Fits in an AR-15 mag
>Straight walled case because some hunting laws
>Fires a big slow boolit instead of a small fast boolit
Big, fat, and based. Hogs will go down flat as pancakes, all because of the stupid laws that forced innovation. Lawmakers be coping and seething, that's the biggest red pill of all
Can a 30 cal can shoot 350 legend?
The bullet diameter is .357 so you’ll need a .36 caliber suppressor or larger
Ok that’s not too bad. Would a standard 9mm can work or would I have to get a special rifle can?
Depends on the manufacturer, go ask them just to be sure. Most 9mm are .355 inches, but most suppressors should (emphasis: SHOULD) have a few thou tolerance.
https://kennyammunition.com/product/atomic-ammunition-300-aac-blackout-subsonic-260-grain-expanding-round-nose-soft-point-box-of-20/
>But what about this literal scam site?
Are you ok, moron?
Probably googled it because he couldn't find it on ammo seek and got one of the fake, scam websites that've popped up in the last couple of years.
First google result, here's the second.
>https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021030135
>inb4 out of stock
That's what happens in an ammo shortage. You can load your own.
350 L 255 grain is in stock.
Hmmmmmmmmm
>Ammunition is in stock despite shortage
Dead caliber confirmed.
The original claim was:
>can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
Note that the 150 and 180 grain bullets from that video are rifle bullets, intended for use at rifle velocities. Not ''pistol bullets'', because if you take a regular old 124 grain JHP intended for 9mm use it's not going to retain any mass. The bullets shown perform admirably exactly because they were designed for that purpose. Once factory support for .350 dries up, there's no way to get a hold of that type of projectile, because not even Winchester sells them for reloading - and then you're forced to use pistol bullets which will not retain weight.
I want to like .350 Legend so bad, but it's just not there yet, and they made dumbass design choices. It could easily be a fantastic choice for HD and even a PDW inside of 200 yards with just minimal effort.
>New cartridge that requires new brass and magazines
>Rebated rim
>Not based on 5.45x39 case, which has only slightly larger base diameter and would allow for fire forming from said parent case, which could easily be made and marketed by Olin with Russian ammo being b7
>.355 vs .358 bullets in vast majority of loads, with several users reporting .358 bullets being unusable in unmodified chambers
>No 275 or 300+ grain bullets commercially loaded
>Few copper bullets loads
>Pistol bullets will not retain weight
Copper bullets exist. They retain weight unless driven absurdly fast. Beyond that, bullets designed for .35 Remington should be able to be swaged.
>>Not based on 5.45x39 case
That would be even more stupid, there's hardly any 5.45x39 bolt face rifles out there. A regular 7.62x39 is much more common, the same boltface being used in 6mm ARC, 6.5 Grendel, 9x39 and basic brass (not necked down) being readily available.
Nope, uses rebated rim brass. You can only really neck up .223 Remington to .338 (e.g. .338 Whisper #1), and they wanted a .35x bullet, so they had to completely design it from scratch.
Ah, that sucks. It does use a standard 5.56 bolt though right?
>That would be even more stupid, there's hardly any 5.45x39 bolt face rifles out there. A regular 7.62x39 is much more common
First, the entire point of .350 legend is to be the smallest 50 state legal straight walled hunting cartridge that fits in an AR. 7.62x39 necked up to .358 does not straight wall. 5.45x39 necked up to .358 does, with decent taper. Don't care about straight walls? Different discussion.
Second, with a decent number of ak74's on the market and damn near zero domestic manufacturing for 5.45x39, it could have allowed them to double-dip with minimal retooling instead of creating an entirely new case. But even if you wanted to keep the bolt face standard, they could have rebated that case just as easily. (As an aside, there are reports of people making 5.45 brass by heavily modifying .222 and .223 cases. They apparently work with unmodified ak74 bolts despite the rebated rim)
Third, being as most shooters buy the entire upper or rifle instead of replacing barrel, the bolt face issue...isn't, commercially speaking. As you said, several AR cartridges are based on the 7.62x39 parent case. That didn't happen over night.
>Third, being as most shooters buy the entire upper or rifle instead of replacing barrel, the bolt face issue...isn't, commercially speaking.
Yes it is, by manufacturing voume alone the price of a niche bolt face is going to be more expensive than a standard .223 or x39.
Found my source. Pistol bullets can handle 2200 FPS and hold up just as well as a good amount of defensive 5.56 loads.
16:20
>Can buy cartridge
>Proof it's bad
Holy cope Batman
>Limited bullet selection
Yeah just every .357magnum, 9mm and 350 legend bullet ever made.
Right.
These comments boil down to
>It's not literally perfect so it's trash.
It's excellent.
NO! Gotta look for 9mm cans.
Can you math?
Can you understand that bullet names don’t always correspond with the actual diameter of the bullet? This shit came out like a year ago and I don’t know dick about it.
I didn't realize there were so many fudds on /k/
We grew up and started actually shooting things instead of just blasting shit in the woods with our loser buddies.
Take an animal or two and then see how you feel about "fudd calibers".
.450 Bushmaster is better
It's also cheap. And available. I'm finding it at Academy when I can't find 30-30 or 30-06.
Secret top-tier PDW cartridge disguised as a fudd hunting round.
>fits in STANAG and is barely different in dimensions to 5.56, meaning it is potentially compatible with anything in 5.56 if there's a barrel for it
>moronic cheap to reload thanks to using .355 bullets
>1200 ft lbs in a 7" barrel (1900 FPS 150gr)
>potential to load massive 250+gr bullets in subsonics
>can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
It's capable of putting .300 BLK in the dirt permanently, but it needs solid industry support and an emphasis on the tacticool aspect instead of this weird niche hunting cartridge that only applies in like 2 states.
>fits in STANAG
But requires different mag geometry and follower for proper functioning
>and is barely different in dimensions to 5.56, meaning it is potentially compatible with anything in 5.56 if there's a barrel for it
Except brass manufacturers because of rebated rim design
>moronic cheap to reload thanks to using .355 bullets
Actually uses uncommon .358 bullets, unless you want to sacrifice accuracy
>potential to load massive 250+gr bullets in subsonics
As can .300BLK and .338 Spectre.
>>can fire pistol bullets at insane velocity to create varmit-tier fragmentation with JSP-tier penetration
While lacking decent accuracy and weight retention, thus actually lacking penetration.
>It's capable of putting .300 BLK in the dirt permanently
Not with that rebated rim it isn't.
How much more pen do you want?
Is being btfo'd tiring?
>.358 bullet diameter
This was a rumor when the cartridge was fresh. It is designed to fire .355-357 with most factory bullets being .355. I have seen 147gr XTPs fired from it with 1-3 MOA accuracy.
>rebated rim/mag compatibility
I understand the difficulty of it having market support due to the rebated rim and fricky dimensions, but the sole function is incredibly strong. It's a real shame that a 5.56 case is just a little too small to be a parent case, because it would be perfect. While industry support is a good argument for longevity (especially with proprietary brass), the concept of true rifle performance out of a legitimate pistol-length barrel is promising and taking the most plentiful bullet on the market is a dream for reloaders.
>.300 BLK and .338 Spectre can load 250gr+
You can always theoretically go up in weight with a straight walled cartridge and the wider diameter round will universally be heavier. 325gr would probably not be out of the question for subs if we really want to push it.
>lacking decent accuracy and weight retention, thus actually lacking penetration.
This exact thing has been tested with 147gr XTPs. It makes it clean through 2 one-gallon jugs of water, which is the bane of a high-velocity wide diameter bullet made of soft pistol lead, and it managed to keep the core intact. That is at least over 12" of penetration in a medium FAR harder on a bullet than gel, although not very scientific.
Overall, .300 BLK and .338 Spectre do have a place in applications over 200 yards that .350L can't even hope to compete with, but as a PDW round meant for close quarters and possible suppressed use, it currently has no equal. Stuff like the Sig Rattler is the exact use case where .350L massively outshines .300 BLK in the same application.
>It is designed to fire .355-357 with most factory bullets being .355.
Yeah, I just looked up SAAMI spec. That is utterly moronic, really limiting bullet selection - at least in .358 you have bullets that will hold up to that velocity, but SAAMI max is .357.
>the concept of true rifle performance out of a legitimate pistol-length barrel is promising and taking the most plentiful bullet on the market is a dream for reloaders.
Why not do that on readily available brass - I don't know, the x39 base? .30 Remington? The raison d'etre of .350 Legend (being straightwalled) is exactly the reason that stupid design decision came to be.
>You can always theoretically go up in weight with a straight walled cartridge and the wider diameter round will universally be heavier.
For any given amount of weight, the smaller diameter will have better sectional density. However, the straight-walled cartridge cannot be significantly heavier because it runs into COAL problems - a 325 grain 350 Legend would have so little room for powder it couldn't even get up to 1050FPS. Same reason you can't do 270+ grain projectiles in a .338 Whisper #1: not enough powder capacity. This would have been solved by going to x39.
>as a PDW round meant for close quarters and possible suppressed use, it...
...is severely limited by the fact that you can only get a 20 round magazine for it. You can get more rounds of 9x39 in a STANAG (24 iirc). If only those stupid Russians had used .355 for that instead of .36-something...
>Straight wall hunting state
Good
>Everywhere else
Pointless
It's actually a pretty versatile cartridge, anon. If people want to have fun with it in non-turbofudd states, let them. It's effectively a US analog to .366 TKM as well interestingly enough.
Basically .357 magnum but that can fit in an AR. longer barrel and no gap so boolet goes faster.
Have you ever wanted a cartridge that was less work to hand load than a bottleneck cartridge, legal in nearly any state in the US for mid-size game, still high pressure enough to get close to the .35" rounds of old, and worked out of a very reliable autoloader? Congrats, here's the cartridge for you.
Nobody else much seems to give a shit though.
458 socom > 450 bushmaster > 350 FUDDgend
It's for states with cucked gun laws
Well its not a 458 socom HYUCK HYUCK