Reddit Drone Obsession

> make a bunch of drones
> get EWed
> its all useless
> mfw

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    man those vatniks burning alive has sure resulted in a lot of hot takes hasn't it?

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >> get EWed
    you do understand that Russia-Ukraine war has seen the most extensive use of EW ever in history and what drone footage you see posted on the internet is just a small part selected out of a small part that got behind the EW, right?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ew capabilities of russia and ukraine aren't benchmarks anon

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't even know what EW means

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    and what does this "reddit" thing have to do with drones?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does anyone drink a whole can of v8?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Get the spicy kind, it's way better

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        With lemon, pepper, and Worcestershire sauce.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen this board and the posts in the thread?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        PrepHole is not your hivemind safe space, sorry Cleetus. If you support Russia you're a moron and laughing stock.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking EW is some magic blanket that covers an entire country
    would you please frick off

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    EW doesn't work against ai drones

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't wait for everyone to learn all the wrong lessons from this war

      None of which exist

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >None of which exist
        Of course they do, you're just not informed.

        Doesn't even take AI to have a self-directed drone that automatically targets itself, just pattern recognition. Look at what the SmaRT round or the old U.S. "skeet" antitank cluster munitions do. Now put those on drones.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dude, we can't even make cars drive themselves despite having craptons of training data for that, never mind automatic targeting. This is still a few years/decades away

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we can't even make cars drive themselves
            Sure we can and do. It's just that they only work 99.999% of the time in normal conditions, but we require that they be virtually flawless and handle every contingency before we allow them on all the roads.

            AI drones have a similar problem in democracies in peacetime, they're not tolerated unless they have flawless target discrimination that's beyond current AI.
            But anyone faced with an actual reality of a war where only AI can survive the EW is suddenly going to decide that blowing up anything moving and human sized in the enemy grid square is good enough.

            The only reason we're not seeing it already is that the EW in Ukraine is not that perfect. It's way more practical to mod the firmware to facilitate retrieval when it's jammed and have it work on the 2nd or 3rd manual attempt, than to have it revert to some hastily developed killbot program and hope it works because there's no recon feed.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It's just that they only work 99.999% of the time in normal conditions
              And that's not good enough because they make thousands of decisions in a single ride. A killbot would have even more variables to contend with and less data to train it
              It's nice to have some hopeium about future tech, but at the end of the day, this is a completely unproven technology. It has to be put to the test first before any hype can be taken seriously. This could easily end up in a "muh railguns" situation

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cars have to abide by the rules of the road and not kill anybody which makes it very hard for the AI. Killdrones are literally the opposite of that

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You could probably make a drone that autonomously finds and drops on any person in some geofenced area with off the shelf parts and models today, you would need some kind of gps waypoint following system(already a thing for drones), enough computing power to run something like YOLO in real time at even 10fps (I can do this on my laptop), and some system to move the drone to center the camera on whatever it has detected. You could even use the mountains of drone drop footage to build a dataset to fine tune the model.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              It wouldn’t be as good as just having some guy control it, and it would make the cost of the drone much higher, but my point isn’t that it’s a good way to do things, just that it’s entirely possible and within the reach of even a hobbyist if they have the cash to spare.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly it wouldn’t even make sense for a country like the US to use something like that because it probably wouldn’t be cheaper than a 155 shell for less effect

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          SMART and cbu 97 skeets are already targeted to a small area and simply decide on whether to detonate the warhead at whatever it is they are pointing at. A drone would have to hunt a large area by itself to be useful.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >reddit plane obsession
    >make a bunch of jets
    >they get shot down by SAMs
    >its all useless

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically
      Jets are a meme with how strong aa is now

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like a 4th Gen problem. Get good.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit homosexual troony obsession
      >they all cut off their genitalia
      >they all eventually die childless
      >massive win for humanity

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        IF ONLY we had developed a system of techniques with new technology to thwart AA systems from the Vietnam War to right now.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm really tired of dronegays. Drones are just another weapon, but they'd have you believe quadcopters from aliexpress are totally invincible.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >EW at your local representatives house
    >it's less likely than you think

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nooooo representative democracy is unjust
      >we have to vote on the literally millions of clauses and subclauses and exceptions for every single thing in society from parking to zoning to safe levels of beryllium in the water supply to light bulb efficiency to what should go on CDL written tests!
      >that isn’t even getting into the regulations that are written by highly-educated professionals for highly-educated professionals like the FAA, NRC, and NIH regs
      dumb fricking meme
      stupid moronic poster
      and abhorrently-bad application of this fable for which I can only assume both the creator and the re-poster have an infantile grasp of basic metaphor

      >cropped twitter screengrab
      well there it is, spelled out clear as daylight lmao.
      I wouldnt aspire to hold opinions on such things. If you got your way and le appointed officials were replaced by your towering intellect we would end up looking to Somalia for guidance on governance

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Representative democracy isn't terrible but realistically domestic policy shouldn't be changing so often as to make direct democracy non-viable.
        As for the meme I thought it was funny, I don't tie all my political beliefs to every shitpost I make.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't tie all my political beliefs to every shitpost I make.
          Cheerfully withdrawn
          Honestly with technology direct democracy is possible and should be constitutionally implemented.
          >use Big Data/AI/all of our surveillance to definitively, yet with a modicum of privacy, confirm identity via phone/computer/person
          i can explain “modicum of privacy” if need be, but assuming you trust that it is possible
          >have referendum on first Tuesday in every month
          >can literally vote by text
          >elected parasites have less and less power
          Could work for some things but it would have to deliberately vague for others (e.g. the NRC should NOT be managed by the masses, but a referendum for increased safety/nuclear power initiatives could be put to the voters)
          Honestly referendums are one of the only things California does right. Do not let the fact that it is used by a misguided populace distract from the fact that California is more democratic than most states with the way their constitution and referendum system is. If one thinks “but they are a dystopian hellhole!” remember that such is the fate they have chosen, so technically the system is working.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            International politics has to be centrally controlled so alliances last decades / centuries instead of years as public opinion changes but I think lots can be moved to direct democracy.
            Could even be as simple as getting a private crypto key when you turn 18 and doing everything online with the same encryption used by crypto currencies. There are billions of dollars in motive to break them and still no one has.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Setting aside the "dystopian hellhole" designation, the mere existence of more chances to use the function of democracy does not necessarily mean more political power devolved to the electorate.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        cringe

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          not an argument little zoom zoom

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Image got a chuckle out of me.

      >nooooo representative democracy is unjust
      >we have to vote on the literally millions of clauses and subclauses and exceptions for every single thing in society from parking to zoning to safe levels of beryllium in the water supply to light bulb efficiency to what should go on CDL written tests!
      >that isn’t even getting into the regulations that are written by highly-educated professionals for highly-educated professionals like the FAA, NRC, and NIH regs
      dumb fricking meme
      stupid moronic poster
      and abhorrently-bad application of this fable for which I can only assume both the creator and the re-poster have an infantile grasp of basic metaphor

      >cropped twitter screengrab
      well there it is, spelled out clear as daylight lmao.
      I wouldnt aspire to hold opinions on such things. If you got your way and le appointed officials were replaced by your towering intellect we would end up looking to Somalia for guidance on governance

      Representative democracy is cool, it's the expansion of an increasingly unaccountable regulatory state that chafes me. Since his meme says "appointed official," I'm assuming that's what it's decrying. You elect reps, you appoint bureaucrats.

      Representative democracy isn't terrible but realistically domestic policy shouldn't be changing so often as to make direct democracy non-viable.
      As for the meme I thought it was funny, I don't tie all my political beliefs to every shitpost I make.

      >direct democracy
      Is cringe and liable to near-instantaneous self destruction. Little "r" republicanism is the best form of government and that cannot be refuted. I concede that, in theory, enlightened dictators or just monarchs have strong advantages in theory, but the theory immediately evaporates when one realizes that most people suck and so the chances you'll actually get a nice dictator are 0.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia was supposed to be the most advanced nation in the field of EW, especially with field-deployable jammers yet they're the premier example of getting fricked with drones right now.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Be in a war
    >Dealing with the 2020s drone menace
    >Deploy EW arrays throughout frontline
    >In order to work, you need one every couple miles to maintain strength along the frontline, with electricity to keep them online, and need to hide them to avoid targeting
    >They also need to constantly scan for new frequencies and newer jam resistance tech
    >AI is slowly making the EW obsolete by independent targeting software not relying on a data link anymore
    The “just use EW bruh” crowd completely miss the point about why EW cannot fix 99% of the problems with drone warfare. If it was that easy, drone drops would have ended in April 2022.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    JANNIES MOVE THIS THREAD TO /misc/ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH, HES A VAAAAAATNIIIK

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >brings reddit for no reason
      >moronic
      >vatnik
      >should've stayed in /misc/
      Ok.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous
  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >some of the dronespam is from poltards – they know they can't keep up with discussions on weapons, so they tend to pick one thing and use it to shout down all other discussion.
    Big fricking bingo on this, but it's with /k/ tourists, in general.
    They latch onto the "coolest" thing to them and it suddenly becomes a "game-changer" or "wunderwaffe," be it HIMARS (just the launcher because obviously the missiles are called HIMARS, too, right?), tanks, drones, artillery systems, etc.

    The /misc/Black person moronation feeds into the broader milieu, though, and probably is a bulk of this shit.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >HIMARS
      >not a game-changer
      1) Antoniv bridge status?
      2) Kherson status?

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP here this thread was made because of all the turkish futurism stuff on here such as their drone carrier. it just seems like theyre going "all in" too soon or something idk

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Drones are another tool in the combined arms toolbox, and a very useful tool at that, but the people who believe they're going to replace infantry, tanks, and artillery as well as the people who believe they're a useless boondoggle best relegated to PR videos take a narrow-minded view of warfare in which one weapon system or another totally BTFOs everything else epic style or some shit.

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >saturate a frontline with EW assets
    >have no air defense to protect them
    >they all get wrecked
    >cheap, mass produced drones replace losses quickly
    >expensive, sanctioned EW assets stay wrecked
    what now

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      how exactly do EW assets get rekt by air?

      and dont say HARM. the assets used to jam drones are much smaller and more localized than your average radar array.

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    good. drones needed a nerf.

    EW will be useless for nextgen drones though. they'll have AI onboard and be radio-passive.

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