Red Dot + Magnifier

Did I almost fall for the meme?

I was considering getting a red dot + magnifier so that I could have passive aiming with night vision and still have target identification at distance during the day. But then I realized why deal with a flip to center/flip to side magnifier if I could just have a static canted magnifier. The benefits of a non-articulating canted optic for day use seems obvious in retrospect.

1. Faster transition without taking hands off the gun to adjust red dot.
2. Better light transmission because only looking through one red dot instead of two.
3. No issues with zero shift due to articulating component.
4. Shooting canted allows rifle to get closer to the ground when shooting prone due to less interference from 30 round magazine
5. Ejection of brass while canted now occurs at 0 degrees resulting in linear recoil.

As for the downsides.
1. Unable to shoot with canted optic from offhand position due to awkwardness
2. Increased chance of something getting caught on canted optic(still can happen with flip to side optic).

It made sense back in the day when magnifiers didnt have reticle options but now that we have 3x and 5x prism optics with useful bdc’s magnifying a bright 2MOA red dot to 6MOA or 10MOA doesn't seem so useful.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2MOA red dot to 6MOA or 10MOA doesn't seem so useful.
    that isn't how it works, I'm amazed this fuddlore continues to stick around in [current year]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eotech’s media says that only holographic sight maintains 2MOA while magnified, while red dots will be multiplied by whatever the magnification is. Are they lying?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're half right. Magnification of ANY red dot will increase its size. Be it a standard projection back to the eye, or a holographic laser projection forward to the target. What they don't mention is that the reason their 1 MOA center dot remains a 1 MOA center dot is that the holographic diffraction grating they use does not actually create a 1 MOA center dot, it creates something even smaller than that that the human eye perceives as 1 MOA because that level of detail is not easily perceptible without magnification. When you do magnify it, it APPEARS to remain the exact same size, but this is only because relative to what you were seeing before, the magnification factor is more or less the same for the image overall, and the 1/4 or 1/6 MOA or whatever the frick size their dot actually is.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick did I just read

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you said a lot of incorrect things here but
    >5. Ejection of brass while canted now occurs at 0 degrees resulting in linear recoil.
    what the frick did you mean by this???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Consider the bore of gun to be the z axis. Imagine we are plotting the ejection pattern on an x(horizontal) and y(vertical) acis the ejection of brass will generally be between 45-90 degrees from the shooters perspective. This causes the gun to move in an equal and opposite way. This is why on an AK the muzzle brake is set at an angle to compensate for this ejection of brass rather than your typical american baffle design.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So id the gun is canted the brass will eject directly up towards the sky, so the recoil will be “inline” i.e . Up and down vs up and to the right.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          …do you actually think that the ejection causes recoil? jfc take high school physics

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The AK has the shaped muzzle break because of the reciprocating charging handle hanging off the side that pulls the gun one way when recoiling moron. And the weight is such a negligible amount the muzzle device overdrives it the other way.
        Holy shit you’re moronic and no shoots.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s simple physics. It’s called conservation of momentum and is caused when a larger object discards mass. The casing being discarded while the gun recoils causes a change in velocity that impinges on the trajectory of the recoil. Isnt anyone else here a engineer?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pic related 42xp

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The bullet has left the barrel by the time extraction and ejection happen. It wont affect accuracy at all and the force imparted on the rifle by an empty case pooping out is trivial anyway
              Then take a 16" bolt gun and an 16" AR with a box of the same ammo to a chronometer and see if the velocity change is enough difference to make a difference.
              you be the judge

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              have a nice day moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Consider the bore of gun to be the z axis. Imagine we are plotting the ejection pattern on an x(horizontal) and y(vertical) acis the ejection of brass will generally be between 45-90 degrees from the shooters perspective. This causes the gun to move in an equal and opposite way. This is why on an AK the muzzle brake is set at an angle to compensate for this ejection of brass rather than your typical american baffle design.

          AK recoiling up and right is because of how shooter holds and supports gun during shooting. For lefties AK recoil pattern is up and left. Brass ejection or handle have nothing to do with it.
          >but for lefties AKM muzzle compensator would be counterproductive!
          News flash! There were no lefties in the USSR they taught them into righties!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok assuming your right and lets say the force of brass ejection is minimal. What about the other 4 points?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    literally what
    just stop being a pussy.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Greased Geese

    how bad im comparison is piggybacking a red dot ontop of a 4x optic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The magnified image is better and easier to use but the red dot is much less intuitive to use. I'm getting rid of the ta31 and going to a ftc red dot magnifier combo because a more intuitive red dot is more important for me than having a good scope.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not reading all that shit but magnifiers are pretty much outdated due to LPVOs being more practical.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can use an LVPO with night vision?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you have nightvision?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more practical at distance shooting, sure, but what about fast target acquisition within 30m? serious question, haven’t used LPVOs much yet

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >LPVOs being more practical.
      lol if you actually think this. lmao even

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LPVO at 1x isn't nearly as good as a good dot or holo sight. I know because I've used both while larperating. Scope shadow and parallax sucks to work around.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You already fell for several memes

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >static canted magnified optic

    Meme. You’re overthinking it. Just get a flip to side on a qd mount.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drugs are bad for you.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that shit weighs the same as a lpvo
    but does almost everything shittier exept eye relief/eye box
    given that these ars are shot on ranges benched or standing, just give in to accuracy and drop the larper bs. youll never operate. but you will hit more accurate with an lpvo and take a better feel back home from the range.
    oi.

    pic related is a stuka at the range.
    now imagine the fudd ro's face when this thing showed up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it does 1x better than an lpvo.
      t. lpvo enjoyer.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it does 1x better than an lpvo.
        No it doesn't.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would you die on such a moronic hill? Do you even own one?
          No LPVO has a true 1x magnification. It's not physically possible with how the optics are set up.
          There are worse and better ones, but they all have some degree of a fisheye effect.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            can't see your dot when EMP hits, therefore LPVO is always better, I win

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              MW2 and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >implying a biblical CME wont happen in our lifetime

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I hate to break it to you Anon but EMP doesn't kill red dots, there isn't nearly enough wire inside to induce sufficient charge to damage anything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but isn't there a small circuit board inside ? Is it too small to become an antenna for EMP ?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The circuit is way too short to build up any worthwhile charge.
                Power transmission and communications lines is where the danger lies with HEMP.
                People got memed by MW2 into regurgitating this crap, even though the smarter of you should have realized that game designers who can't even do enough research to know that the reticle on an ACOG has no reason to go dark after an EMP probably shouldn't be trusted to do their research into what devices EMP would affect to begin with.
                Like for frick's sake the game has a heartbeat sensor.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never played MW2 so I have no idea what you're talking about but thanks for the explanation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In MW2 they detonate an ICBM high in the atmosphere in order to halt Russian advance on the Washington.
                It has helicopters falling out of the sky and the reticle of every optic stops working, including the tritium-powered ACOGs.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You were just arguing about a different point

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But you cant passive aim with an lvpo. Thats the whole point of this setup. I already have an mvpo/red dot kist setup for 700 yard shooting.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual you don't even own a gun, and I guarantee you're under the age of 18 which you need to meet or exceed in order to post here

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you cant passive aim with magnifier setups, the magnifier blocks it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >flip magnifier to the side
      >you can now passive aim

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nope, your tube bonks into it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your tube is going to bonk against everything dude, its a clumsy piece of iit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah well, im tired of the passive aim meme being shilled by 1000 zoomers who dont have nods and have never actually tried it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nope, your tube bonks into it.

              Your tube is going to bonk against everything dude, its a clumsy piece of iit

              I miss the time when I was a noNODs happily shitting on the moronic looking optic mounts and knew nothing about the absolute ass cancer that is trying to get a sight picture on a standard height mount.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you went full moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just 1.93. Looks ok, works ok.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                maybe I'm rarted but why would you want the laser to have all that height over bore
                I get the sight, but in theory the perfect laser comes straight out of the center of the barrel so you know exactly where your round is going to go, and you should do everything you can to replicate that instead of forcing yourself to remember your dot is at least a palm width above where you're going to actually put holes in someone, god forbid you've got it canted because there's like the perfect standoff to be holding under the right eye and have the bullet go just outside of the targets head, which would be an unfortunate way to lose a gunfight

              • 4 weeks ago
                [email protected]

                >maybe I'm rarted but why would you want the laser to have all that height over bore?
                using a short gun
                LAMs are big and bulky, so if you’re running a shorty, it can get in the way of having your arm outstretched
                Having it elevated and towards the back lets it stay out of your way
                As for the height over bore, you just have to keep that in mind when you’re zeroing and know your holds

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they should make one that goes like this, it can be closer to bore and out of the way, I feel like you're not playing with the sensory toys and stuff on the fidget spinner during combat so I don't think there's sense in worrying that you have to use your important hand to put it in shuffle mode or whatever it does

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I should make one that has the image in it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you actually use the adjustment features on that aimpoint?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I totally understand the concern for passive aim, especially if you are going for a super tryhard build but i do hate the aggro you get when your gun isnt a perfect right-wing insurgent rifle

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > i do hate the aggro you get when your gun isnt a perfect right-wing insurgent rifle
                Not him and I understand what you’re saying, but the mentality that you’re talking about doesn’t really make sense to me. There is no one perfect “insurgent rifle.” Even were something to happen, what would work best for somebody in metro Vegas would be different from what would work in Goodsprings, which would be different from what would work in Wilmington, which would be different from what would work in Nebraska, etc. And that doesn’t even get into whether they have people to protect, the amount of people on their “team” etc.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no one perfect “insurgent rifle.”
                I disagree.
                Most militaries issue the same rifle to the vast majority of their soldiers regardless of where they are deployed, who they are fighting, what sort of climate, etc. Sure they have specialty MOSs where a guy will get an LMG or HMG or whatever, but the vast majority still get an M4 or some AK variation or something that looks and works pretty much the same as those.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, a suppressed 14.5 with an eotech and an optional peq is pretty much all you need to be capable.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Most militaries issue the same rifle to the vast majority of their soldiers regardless of where they are deployed
                >militaries
                >talking about insurgents
                Militaries have to be able to deploy any unit into any type of environment across their area of responsibility, so logistics become the primary concern
                Insurgents don’t have that requirement, so they’re able to specialize for areas tell actually be in. Particularly in the U.S. where some states are larger than many countries, and environments vary drastically. It’s unlikely that the Montana militia group would deploy to Detroit for example.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not enough people understand how AIDS passive aiming is

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ledcog and piggybacked rmr is what you’re looking for. You’ll get your meme height dot for muh passive aiming and a great magnified optic. Magnifiers are shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you personally tried this? Or are you just parroting what other anons say?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea. I own a PVS-14 and cog+rmr. The rmr may not be the greatest nvg optic but it works just fine in all but the darkest conditions, in which case I’m gonna use my LAM anyway. Just need to extend your stock a bit so you don’t smack the acog

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have a regular cog and i gotta say i dont think the rmr's placement really matters, youre still gotta bonk the rear of the acog

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i dont think the rmr's placement really matters
            i hate the closer rmrs because it blocks my helmet rim

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick are you on about?

    The pros of a magnifier are that you can pull the whole contraption off your gun when you're not using it and shave a pound and a half when you don't need it. On top of that sticking a canted optic on the side of your gun instead of on top of it will frick your balance and you'll only be able to effectively use it with one eye so offhand shooting it will be extremely difficult.

    But whatever give it a go and see what happens

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree you cant use the canted optic offhand effectively but is the scenario of long range offhand shooting practical? I understand using your offhand to maintain concealment around a barrier makes sense in cqb, but I’m not sure that is as applicable in the 200 yard+ distances where a magnified optic is required.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just buy "scalar works fixed iron sights", lightest iron sights on the market and buy a handgun laser light combo, something like olight baldr. You can easily shoot out to 800 yards with those iron sights I mentioned no problem.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have 95% accuracy out to 1200 yards with iron sights + olight setups

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have 96.1% accuracy out to 1250 yards just by guessing.

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