Realistically, how do you counter this?

Realistically, how do you counter this?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    molotovs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      himars

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That could about cover it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      looks terrible for one's neck muscles
      is that really the best posture to shoot a 50 cal from the ground?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dunno. Gets the job done I suppose.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, you're supposed to shoot it from the sitting and have enough cover that it works out. Even with that heavy-ass tripod, bracing your legs on it is a big part of proper shooting stance, so the borderline supine wins out over a more traditional prone stance in situations where you have to be as low as possible.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you're supposed to shoot it from the sitting and have enough cover that it works out
          yeah I understood that the cowgirl position in the first pic is done to maximise cover
          >Even with that heavy-ass tripod, bracing your legs on it is a big part of proper shooting stance, so the borderline supine wins out over a more traditional prone stance in situations where you have to be as low as possible
          so it seems
          it just looks awkward AF

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, a sprained neck beats getting shot, at least.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/OcV1TjZ.jpg

        That could about cover it.

        https://i.imgur.com/xjexIOU.jpg

        No, you're supposed to shoot it from the sitting and have enough cover that it works out. Even with that heavy-ass tripod, bracing your legs on it is a big part of proper shooting stance, so the borderline supine wins out over a more traditional prone stance in situations where you have to be as low as possible.

        Oh what a grand and intoxicating innocence...

        And here's a 3-min vid of a Frenchman assembling a hyper-powered version using car suspension parts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly. Hook your legs over the tripod legs so you're not scrunched into a ball. It's the only way you're looking through the sights sitting up.
        The other way is prone which doesn't steady the tripod as much and is personally fairly awkward

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this is how the pros do it. Russia is at least 3 gens ahead of NATO in HMG on ergonomics alone.

        Two fisted grip of M2 was "OK" maybe 100yrs ago when it was assumed it would be tripod on wall of fort or stand on ship or something, but its a joke for anything else and shows extreme disconnect between those tasked with fighting and those providing the equip.

        Pentagon will be some gay watching a WW2 movie about Audie Murphy and saying "looks good, we'll buy those".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >looks terrible for one's neck muscles
        I'm bringing my beach chair. Extra credit for armrests with beer holder.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look at the guy in the background, he's comfy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shoots 1000 men
      the other 1000 that survives rapes him

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fine. FINE. Problem solved.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What if we got 1000 of these and arrayed them like a pike phalanx?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the morons are standing in lines, the bullets will overpen. 50% more bullet per bullet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But the op only asks to counter 256?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    use a longer pike?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kill the King leading it and watch as they then proceed to kill each other over the corpse.
      Leave out copious amount of alcohol and let nature take its course.
      Use elephants with a taste for bacon.

      This should work too. With modern metallurgy and pole acrobatics we should be able to make poles of a length no ancient mind could fathom and attach women of loose morals to them, ones perfectly evolved to destroy soldiers psychologically and financially.

      Heavy infantry. Light artillery (archers). Light cavalry in the flank while infantry distracts the center. Even Roman legions could frick it up pretty easily. Honestly the fact it was even as threatening as it was was a testament to how moronic the ancient world was.

      >it was was a testament to how moronic the ancient world was
      >Macedonian phalanx

      Macedonian cavalry were top-tier you, Historylet. This was one component of a larger force, it's like showing someone a Sherman and asking how anyone could ever have a problem defeating the US.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Kill the King leading it and watch as they then proceed to kill each other over the corpse.
        That's literally what happened in the persian civil war both when cyrus the younger died and later when all the greek leaders got assassinated and it didn't work.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bro, your cpu pins are bend

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      underrated

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Their sides are wide open

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/1Imq3Ib.png

      Surround it on three sides, pin it in place and start attriting with projectiles.

      https://i.imgur.com/KdStAdD.jpg

      cavaliers and flanking

      https://i.imgur.com/beXYKSJ.jpg

      How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
      Fricking morons on this board really think they're smarter than people in Antiquity LMAO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i mean, the romans were smarter than the greeks and beat them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/SQxSx5k.jpg

          >How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
          Just plow through them lol

          With your own peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry

          >How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
          together with velites and equites

          you're the moron who thinks the Greeks had everything figured out and everyone ELSE in Antiquity was dumb

          He's right tho, lots of pop history bros need to actually read the Roman accounts of the battles, the Romans did not typically outflank the phalanxes, the phalanxes broke up attempting to pursue the Romans onto rough terrain, essentially the Romans delivered a Backhand Blow through an enemy that had become disorganized in its advance like Manstein did at Kharkov or like the Ukrainians did in the same place last year.

          Also needs to be understood that the actual phalanx was typically severely outnumbered even in battles where the Hellenistic kingdoms had numerical superiority, since the Phalanx was dependent on a relatively small Macedonian population.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
        Just plow through them lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        With your own peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
        together with velites and equites

        you're the moron who thinks the Greeks had everything figured out and everyone ELSE in Antiquity was dumb

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well they had to since people still speak Greek today while nobody speaks Latin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody speaks Latin
            Do prots really?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Ecclesiastical Latin is the same as Classical Latin
              LMAO
              I doubt your church speaks any variation of Latin anyways Mr. Tradcath, that is if you even go to church at all. After all, it's much easier to just stay home, larp as a Christian, and feel superior to everyone else than it is to actually go to service.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Modern Greek is as different from Ancient Greek as Italian and Spanish are from Latin

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Really? Had no clue though I guess that makes sense, no spoken language can exist perfectly unchanged for centuries

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You should try reading middle English some time, its a wild fricking ride

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kids in school in Greece have a class for learning Ancient Greek. Greek has been around for much longer than Latin so even within Ancient Greek there are different eras of evolution.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To add some context, there's significant difference between each stage in the evolution of greek. Modern Greeks can understand medieval greek easily, the hellenistic koine requires some effort, classical greek needs study. Homeric greek, the one used in the Iliad and Odyssey, was hard to understand even for Athenians and Spartans of the classical age, but the most concise and richest one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Homeric greek, the one used in the Iliad and Odyssey, was hard to understand even for Athenians and Spartans of the classical age, but the most concise and richest one.
                >homeric
                >most concise
                Spoken like somebody who never had to learn it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                homer is not that difficult for an attic speaker to read, its like reading Shakespeare.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You forgot Portuguese and Romanian.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >while nobody speaks Latin
            wrong

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ave Christus Rex
            >verification not required

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you intend to fight through the peltasts, hypaspists, and cavalry to do this?
        You don't have to, because the difficulty of maintain a professional combined arms force for ancient states is too much, you just need to keep a low profile until the armies begin to decline at which point you can roll over them.
        Or you wait for this frickboi to lose his son and then watch him horrible misuse a cavalry advantage.

        Anyway long story short, sometimes the simpler and more cost efficient solution is the better one.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pic rel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you best be throwing some burning bowls of tar-filled ceramic vases

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pic name

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Heavy infantry. Light artillery (archers). Light cavalry in the flank while infantry distracts the center. Even Roman legions could frick it up pretty easily. Honestly the fact it was even as threatening as it was was a testament to how moronic the ancient world was.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those were supporting the Greek's own light cavalry, who would run down any heavy artillery or archers who thought they could batter it apart from a safe distance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that the Roman battalions BTFO’d the Greek phalanx.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the forest, or rough terrain

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Eighth post best post

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Surround it on three sides, pin it in place and start attriting with projectiles.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hellstorm rocket battery x20

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In their era? Chariot archers on their flanks using hit and ruin attacks, hopefully in shifts over a very long day. Then murder them in their sleep after the sun goes down or do the same thing the next day.

    The end of their era?

    Really scary short Italians with 14 inch swords who can wheel their formation faster than them and get close. Bonus if the Italians have a bunch of friends who can throw small rocks and lead pellets really fast so while you are trying to face the stabbly little dudes you are getting the shit shot out of you.

    Alternately, put your army behind walls or in a bunch of trees.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cavaliers and flanking

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maniples, as the Romans did

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my sides

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Countered

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Phalanx are too dense and need a good terrain to march in line. It's inherently fragile as formation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Come at us, you god damned casual.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t hyper-phalanx

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >NANI?!
            >Multi-Phalanx Drifting!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw you'll never RETVRN to a phalanx tesseract
            it's over

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/KuRLe50.jpg

            Countered

            What is old is new again

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/KRlZ1vR.jpg

              Come at us, you god damned casual.

              topkek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Le cauldron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >be not afraid barbarian

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >"Multi-dimensional Phalanx isn't real! It can't hurt you!
            >Multi-dimensional Phalanx :

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tesseract Phalanx
            it's over before it even started

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So this is how the Ancient Greeks depicted the Murder /k/ube.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          THat's why the romans replaced with with the maniple then conquered everyone they encountered, including the greeks still in their gay ass phalanx.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be Roman. Hide behind your massive shield and they can't do anything to you. Meanwhile lob javelins and thin them down. There's a reason why they took massive casualties against Rome even in battles they won. Even if they win they lose.

    Have archers. Because contrary to what Polybius claims the arrow-protecting qualities of serried pikes don't seem to be worth much.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone up for a reenactment ?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have guns.I'd just shoot them.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Was the phalanx formation any similar to pike square during pike and shot era?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The shot in the 'pike and shot' fixed its worse weakness so they aren't comparable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        skirmishers were a significant part of Hellenistic armies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How do you tolerate post-empire TW games?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post-empire? Shogun 2 is the best game of the franchise.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It really is Fall of the Samurai is my favourite part of it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Atilla is GOAT

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This.
          >Diverse unit roster
          >Large campaign map with different climates and terrain
          >Huge faction variety with the option to migrate and converting your religion during the grand campaign so you can get very creative
          >Faction difficulty ranges from piss easy to most difficult in all of Total War
          >Some of the best siege battles
          >Cool mods

          It misses some of the features that earlier Total War games had like longe speeches and cutscenes for agnet actions but otherwise Atilla is a great Total War game.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The fact that the community rakes Attila over burning coals while pretending empire was anything but an over ambitious dumpster fire is bizarre to me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This.
          >Diverse unit roster
          >Large campaign map with different climates and terrain
          >Huge faction variety with the option to migrate and converting your religion during the grand campaign so you can get very creative
          >Faction difficulty ranges from piss easy to most difficult in all of Total War
          >Some of the best siege battles
          >Cool mods

          It misses some of the features that earlier Total War games had like longe speeches and cutscenes for agnet actions but otherwise Atilla is a great Total War game.

          Everything wrong with Attila comes from the fact that its built on Rome 2.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I love when its a huge horde attacking me but the main army is small so i can bumrush the general and kite all the support infantry until theyre exhausted+whistling arrows

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mod them until they break, Rome 2 with Divide Et Impera is a better game than most post Medieval 2 total wars.

        What the frick, they look like they’re getting mowed down by an mg. This has to be a mod right?

        That's a vanilla video, and the kind of jank that happens when no armor meets high armor penetration

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They removed shitty 1v1 dueling in the warscape engine with warhammer 1. After warhammer it's more like Rome 1 and medieval 2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick, they look like they’re getting mowed down by an mg. This has to be a mod right?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pin them down with persistent archery and flank with cavalry. This is elementary stuff

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lots of these prepared in advance

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    rocky uneven ground

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >teleports behind you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What happened to Nicanor

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Episthenes the Olynthian got him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A fricking elephant as a commander

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >commander how should we assault this position?
        >Prööt 😀
        >understood
        >Hroonk
        >copy, I'll inform the supply company that we don't have enough peanuts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      RIP my Nica

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Once they split up to go around picrel, have your legionnaires rush in and stab them to pieces.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Realistically, how do you counter this?
    I recommend one of these for all time travelers but what we actually use was incendiaries, yes really, in clay pots that shattered when they hit but also lit wooden hoops bound in bitumen like material saturated with saltpeter

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they were weak to flanking because the large, tight formations and the cumbersome weapons meant they couldnt change direction easily
    the swiss mercenraries were considered extremely well trained just because they could turn their formation while moving, most couldnt do that

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literally some bushes& uneven ground

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Horse archers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can I go one ancient warfare thread without someone mentioning horse archers?
      God, I hate horse archers so much.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Massed Chariots Archers with baskets of caltrops to kick out the back.

        Are you happy now?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can stop hearing about steppe nomads when steppe nomads stop being superior.

        >tfw you will never wander wild and free clear from Germania to Siberia
        >decorated in the finest bling crafted from gold plundered from countless nations
        >entire harems of slave women from every corner of the world
        >completely unmatched in warfare, only military geniuses with large combined arms forces ever repulse your advances

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Horse archers could be here, he thought..."

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Greek fire, duh. :^)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      , how do you counter this?
      > but what we actually use was incendiaries, yes really, in clay pots that shattered when they hit but also lit wooden hoops bound in bitumen like material saturated with saltpeter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In fact the key factor in Europe about whether battle coudl be staged if you had an advantage via pike was the weather, rain favoured you against most musket and incendiary but incendiary was by far the worst threat as pike formations by necessity pack men close together so a handful of incendiaries or flaming hoop in the middle of the formation could cause chaos. These weapons were common in all warfare by the way naval and in sieges through out the era of wars of religion and the wars we fought with the ottomans and were as important as gunpowder and gave rise to it. Mixing tax, saltpeter and oils and soaking clothes wrapped in it to hoops or using clay 'grenades' was the way. All of these things were used both against pikemen and also from battlements against assaults and between ships. The ottomans had it bad as they tended to wear light garments that caught fire and much of our progress against them in teh first crusades was earned with this knowledge which came to use from the Byzantium heretics. In turn it passed to the Hospitaliers who had an interest in medicament and concoctions. The knowledge moved to other orders and Spain as well as via monks. A wise commanded with an advantage in pike used them in open field in heavy rain.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Two teams of draft horses, a few hundred feet apart, dragging a long, heavy chain between them directly into the phalanx at full speed.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why are the guys in the back aiming at the air?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Men in rows behind the initial five angled their spears at a 45-degree angle in an attempt to ward off arrows or other projectiles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how good are spears at deflecting rocks thrown by catapults

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Better than nothing, I guess.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Men in rows behind the initial five angled their spears at a 45-degree angle in an attempt to ward off arrows or other projectiles.

      It also looks really snazzy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      magpies
      It's a little known fact that Phalanx was originally developed by Australian aboriginals as a means of safely crossing open ground during swooping season, with most of the recorded knowledge being tragically destroyed during British colonisation (as was the fashion of the time)
      the forward pointing pikes at the front of the formation were added by later European adopters of the technique (such as the ancient Greeks) in order to improve its usefulness on the battlefield

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        this adds into my theory that boongs are the true descendants of the people of troy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I can't understand why you guys just don't shoot the fricking magpies.

        I had the same problem with crows and blue jays. I started shooting every one I see. Guess what? They fricking collectively learn to steer fricking clear and to keep their voices down around me. No warning calls, no harassment - they just stfu and stay the frick away. Ever notice how Aussie magpies are mainly buttholes to pussy cyclists in gun-free cities? Guess what happens to them in the country?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They're native birds, shooting them is illegal.
          If you have a real problem with a shopping magpie the local council will relocate it for you but no one is gonna fricking shoot the lil' fella just for trying to protect his nest

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          most australians dont give two shits about magpies especially cause theyre mostly trynna scare you and they dont actually aim to hit you a lot of the time. the only ones who carry on like pork chops about them are massive S01boys who wanna seem tough by playing into le ebin dangerous animals meme despite living in preston.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like four fricking trees and you can't do shit.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Skirmishers and artillery, heavy infantry in manipular order, etc etc.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Axes to chop their cuck sticks to size.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ride around them with a horse and shoot arrows

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fight them on rough, uneven terrain with troops that can better handle their formation being disorganized. Alternatively, disrupt their formation with skirmishers, massed archers, horse archers or whatever before then sending heavy infantry in. Of course, there's no obvious, easy solution to it if the phalanx is well trained and operates as a part of a combines arms system with cavalry and skirmishers of their own. Such an army is, of course, hideously expensive and there's no simple solution to conventionally defeating an enemy that has superior training and resources.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Infiltrate their society via immigration, then manipulate their laws by pleading to them about the mass genocide I escaped from, while inflating the numbers.
    Then I will sit happily for decades, absorbing money through their deep state, and being in charge of propaganda across their entire nation.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A barage of watermelons fired with catapults.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Romans outflanked them on rough terrain

    Englishmen shot arrows at them for hours

    Spaniards blasted them with cannons

    Swedes mowed them down with small arms fire

    Honestly, though, the fact that a big block of lads with pointy sticks didn't become obsolete until so late in history is pretty amazing. You could be the most amazing, skilled individual warrior around and a sufficient number drilled, disciplined pikemen were too hot to handle. With that said it must have got really ugly when one of these formations broke down.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the fact that a big block of lads with pointy sticks didn't become obsolete until so late in history is pretty amazing
      what ended the big marching block was the ability to fire three shots a minute of an unstoppable projectile with at least 100 yards' effective range

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That just turned the big marching block into a big marching line. It didn't really end until they found a way to fire three shots a second.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That just turned the big marching line into thin big marching lines. It didn't really end until they found a way to fire ten shots a second.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and the French, they just charged them and it somehow worked out

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not really fair; under Napoleon, the French revolutionised artillery tactics and expanded the use of skirmishers (voltigeurs) to great effect

        the success of the British riflemen is in part due to building on the voltigeur tactics

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Actually a reference to the War of the League of Cambrai in the 16th cavalry where the French knights (gendarmes) just charged swiss pike blocks and somehow managed to completely destroy them.
          It was the war that forced the Swiss into "perpetual neutrality"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            *16th century, not cavalry

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the same way the romans did. Make em fight on uneven ground.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go around

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My blue army has superior manpower
    Get rekt yellow homosexuals

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Drones dropping 60mm mortar shells.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fight on uneven terrain using Roman Manipole.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remove their cavalry support.
    Force them to fight on uneven terrain.
    Outflank them and hit them on their side.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who'd of thunk it, maybe do what the frickers who repeatedly wrecked Macedonian phalanxes did: https://acoup.blog/2024/01/19/collections-phalanxs-twilight-legions-triumph-part-ia-heirs-of-alexander/ and ignore all the moronic ideas in this thread?

    Field artillery? Really? No one was using that in the era, it wasn't possible. Forget all these wacky racers nonsense ideas about fire and shit, assuming perfect forsight and that they don't bring all their other shit that always goes with the phalanx (light and medium screening troops plus cav).

    Properly screened heavy infantry with good flexible officers wreck shit, even then. Be a Roman and maniple up, fix their front, punch through the lighter troops.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I harass them with skirmishers before retreating into broken terrain.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine it being your job to run at this and be impaled by a spear, getting stuck on it rendering the spear useless so that the guy behind you can do the same and on and on until all of the spears are "taken" by a body and then the hand-to hand stuff can begin.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah war was unironically le bad

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How well would a Chinese army of the same time period perform against a phalanx?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They would field an army of 100,000 men, swarm the front of the Phalanx, lose 80,000 and proclaim glorious victory.

      The Phalanx was made up of 3000 men.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Chinese inflate their numbers by counting their logistics lines as soldiers. In reality, perhaps 30,000 of those men at most were actual fighters, and it was more likely closer to 20,000.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The romans did this as well, often to pad their records.
          Anyone who runs is a Gaul, anyone who stands still us a well disciplined Gaul.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >counters your phalanx

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Morel ike they'd field 100,000 men, 30,000 ofthem would be archers and crossbowmen and then they'd just laugh and bury those 3,000 phalangites under a small hill of bolts and arrows. Because LMAO, imagine primarily fighting in melee like poorgay armies.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Blocks your path

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fell a pine tree and trim some branches so you got a log with remaining branches flat on either side.

    Then tie horses to the branches so its one big unit and charge that into the formation, when after it tears the formation a new butthole start a hairball melee with short swords and axes.

    After battle you can roast the horses that were used for victory feast.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    get bonked relentlessly

    what are they gonna do? they can't run without breaking formation

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    grenadiers

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they cant swing or really thrust with those long ass pikes
    their strength is in staying in formation and moving forward
    lead them to a remote area with challenging terrain
    rocks, dips, muddy/flooded fields, streams, etc
    then send your fastest units to attack them from the unprotected rear
    when they stop to try and reposition/turn send you other units to attack the new rear
    also pepper them with missiles and arrows and send other men to attack their baggage train or camp

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Phalanx is the Schwerpunkt,
      Their source of strength but consequently also their main weakness.
      Susceptible to Tactical Judo.
      The eggs were counted, and they were found to be in one basket,
      Truly enough to raise the eyebrows.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      commanders wont engage you unless they have favorable terrain

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Romans kicked the frick out of them at Pydna, the answer appears to be "fight on something other than a totally flat surface."

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Phalanx's advantage was that it could apply forward pressure very effectively while being highly resistant to shock from the front, but the Romans showed at Heraclea that a force of armored men with shields could essentially hold a Phalanx back indefinitely, the battle was basically a total stalemate with Phyrrus almost dying before they finally unleashed elephants and the Romans panicked.

    Accounts of the Phalanx collapsing usually involve them trying to pursue a retreating enemy or entering unordered ground, though sometimes they also get surrounded and pounded from long range. The Ten Thousand encountered incidents in which they were basically being bombarded with missiles for days and had to improvise slings to fight back but were still able to endure through that because the kit is sort of designed to protect against missiles, but it isn't perfect as Platea showed.

    So the best way to ruin the Phalanx is to eliminate its support elements. If the enemy cavalry are scattered or destroyed the phalanx can really only slowly pursue you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The ten thousand hoplite phalanx and Macedonian style phalanx are worlds apart

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna have an army of slingers that throws clown noses on top of their spears so they can't poke anyone

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >pay us double and we will solve it for you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Necro-ing Alexander's campaign for Persia 1700 years later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's always funny to me that even a thousand years after Alexander, a block of a hundred guys with 15 foot spears was still the most effective military formation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's nearer 2000 years
        >Alexander 4th century BC
        >Pikenaissance 15th-17th century BC

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The 17th century armies were built around firepower and cavalry more than pikes. Of course then we worked out how to turn guns into spears and we're back to square one for another couple to centuries.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Late 17th century maybe, early not at all, the tercio hadn't been broken at the dawn of the 17th century

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One of my favorite things about Glorantha (if you’ve played King of Dragon Pass it’s the world that’s set in) is there’s this group of dudes who follow a god who got really fricked up and lost his fire in the time before time. They’re called the Sun Dome Templars and they’ve survived thousands of years by adopting phalanx tactics complete with supporting mounted archers and peltast. Even in a setting with giant monsters, crazed warriors of the god of death, and magic shit flying everywhere they’re still some of the most sought out warriors as mercenaries because a bunch of dudes who won’t fricking break with a bunch of pointy sticks is capable of fricking up a bunch of less disciplined opposition. Pic related, your average Sun Dome Templar

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Forgot to bring your mages, Arcoscephale?
    I'll just send in high defense cavalry until they tire out and run away.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Make clay hollow spheres strong enough to withstand use in a leather sling. Fill them with Greek fire. Units toss two rounds. A couple of seconds after the second salvo, one row of archers with flaming arrows loose from the last line in the unit. Attack when the flames die down and before they reform.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/9h5riup.jpg

      get bonked relentlessly

      what are they gonna do? they can't run without breaking formation

      There is an interesting idea from 17th century England to counter this vulnerability of pikemen by hanging longbows on the pikes, so they can return fire if engaged by missile troops, pic related. Of course this was before bayonets gave gun armed troops the same capability this was trying for.
      I assume that using longbows for this was possibly just an idea to get around the difficulty and expense of arming and training enough musketeers for mass mobilization (this being the period directly preceding the English Civil War) and of course in its day the idea never saw any known battlefield use, but it seems like it could have worked for the pikemen of antiquity, like a pre-gunpowder tercio.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You'll need quite a few of these guys

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fight on uneven ground

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    these guys counters them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Heh, nope. The pikes block and protect against arrows

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The English-Scottish wars tell us that archers defeat pike blocks with ease. In that entire time, there is not a single mention of pikes providing any protection against arrows.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    threaten the flanks, force them to engage over broken ground, disorder them with skirmishers

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Come from the side or behind,they can't maneuver, which is why romans immediately dropped it when meeting celts as those weren't moronic unlike greeks and middle easterners.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    serious answer,

    find some uneven or rocky ground. the slope of a hill is perfect. If they are on unsteady ground, the men at the back can't level their sarissa. You can royally frick them up with foot soldiers now where otherwise you would be slaughtered.

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    someone do a saddam hussein shoop pls

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well first off, you worship Mars instead of that homosexual Ares.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Spears in the front.
    >No spears on the side.
    Attack from the side duhh.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    never understood the whole wall of pike formation against infantry.
    Can't an opposite formation with swords and shields just push past the pikes and stab the phalanxes to death?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Spears are ridiculously powerful weapons if you're forced to attack them from one direction. Generally it wasn't a good idea to take on a phalanx head on unless you had a phalanx of your own.

      Phalanxes fell out favor once more mobile and flexible infantry formations were developed. Swords didn't become an effective counter to pike formations until the development of great swords during the pike and shot era.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i still find it hard to believe that a pike phalanx can't be overcome by heavy armored soldiers wielding metal shields.

        you'd think that the pikes would just bounce/deflect off the armor/shield.
        Although i guess getting hit by 3 pikes simultaneously can knock an armored soldier on his back from such a blow.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's a lot fricking spears to have to fight your way through, and pre-Macedonian phalanxes tended to use shorter spears, so they were a lot more controllable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Problem being that people of that time were only relatively heavily armored and metal shields were never really such a big thing because of the discomfort of having to wield it for a long period of time (a metal sheet maybe).
          As said, that's a lot of pikes to walk through and these were heavy stuff themselves (around 4-5kg) with good inertia and you can't "just walk by the tip" as they are echeloned somehow, so behind the front pikes, there's just more pikes.

          It could be done (see Pydna), but it wasn't usually worth it. The phalanx had lots of problem, poor mobility and flanking problem, but fighting what was upfront really was the entirety of their game.

          You... just have a faulty impression of the dynamics and effectiveness of a forest of pikes is all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In general melee combat was mostly about morale. It wasn't about who would beat who personally, but who's formation breaks first, and when that happens nothing much matters anymore because organized unit would frick unorganized 99% of times.
      In this paradigm phalanx had an overwhelming advantage over any other infantry formation because range meant that first line of phalanx could start stabbing the enemy way before enemy could start stabbing phalanx, so all it ever needed to do was to push forward. In this situation first line of enemy formation is forced between the pike stabbing them and their own back line pushing them forvard onto pikes because formations are b***h to maneuver. Not being keen on being pointlessly impaled enemy formation would usually start to break and next the general rule applies.

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You don’t

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    from the side, homie

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