RCH-155

These fresh out the oven guys can fire on the move and are gonna appear on battlefields in 30~ units toward the end of the year.
How do you think they'll perform compared to Shoot&Scoot platforms?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The exact same.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, beeing able to fire on the move wont change anything compared to having to stay still for 10 - 20 seconds to fire... Its not like these things will drive along at 100 km/h blasting away. As usual, krauts built something autistically advanced and expensive they cant mass produce in meaningful numbers...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It will tho, artillery could start taking purely offensive roles if it can roll constantly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          From what we have seen in Ukraine so far, pretty much all vehicles stop to fire, including western MBTs and IFVs, so I doubth Ukrainians will mad max around in this shit. Also, what do you mean by purely offensive roles?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It can absolutetly be mass produced in large numbers, that's the whole point of the Boxer platform

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tfw 9 out of 16 proposed variants exist or in their final trial phases.
          feels good man

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no CT40
          into the trash

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why does a battlefield ambulance have a HMG?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it shoots healing bullets

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody gives a shit about the whole "protective symbols" thing any more. Medics and ambulances are targets all the same to most adversaries so they now carry self-defence armament

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Insane how these things are supposed to work on networking and automation at some point too. Down the line these will almost literally be IRL RTS units

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rafael is even working on an Iron Dome Boxer

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is also a laser variant.
              >New versions of the well-established Skyranger turret have also been developed, the latest utilising a lighter turret with a 30 mm revolver cannon, AMMR (AESA Multi-Mission Radar) S-band radar, an optical-electronic station FIRST (Fast Infrared Search and Track) system, a High Energy Laser (HEL), and a twin missile launcher.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bullet train
    will feign to russian arty radars that Ukraine is using more arty than they actually have

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UK has just ordered these to replacd our AS90s, i have no idea how our Army managed to make a good procurement decision for once.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so cool
    nuff said

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks very Battletech-y

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They look like a command & conquer unit

      >I fight for Deutschland!
      >Jetzt geht's los!
      >Haubitzen moving out!
      >Tell me vhere to go commander!
      >Gjaaaaach

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Deutschlands finest!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Sage

      Looks like a Stryker MGS and a 5" gun from a Burke got drunk one night and made themselves a semi-moronic child.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love that they just look like a naval turret stuck to a boxer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh boy do I have a treat for you

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Meh, I like the big gun naval turrets. Would be neat if you could fit an actual naval turret on a tank since they have like 20-30 rpm rates of fire.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Would be a decent way to address all the scrap that has come from the Blacked Sea Fleet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Y-A-M-A-T-O-S

          yeah

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Boy do I have the solution for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it seems to be a ad-hoc trench for SPAAG deveolopements. IIRC the asiatics and the French are literally just re-using 30/40mm Navalturret/guns to make SPAAG functional turrets currently, because of the drone menace

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I love that they just look like a naval turret stuck to a boxer
      KV-2 were naval turret on a tank if I remember

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think they are complete fricking overkill and a gimmick.

    There's no way that thing has any useful accuracy at long range while firing on the move while driving on anything other than perfectly level asphalt where there's not even even a grain of sand.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just use them with SMArt 155 or Excalibur.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're a rich guy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those rounds cost like $80-110k each.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means your are uneducated and/or ignorant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't care what kind of Krautmetall copium you are huffing, you can't stabilize a 9 meter long barrel while moving on realistic terrain and expect to be accurate at long range.
        Until you can prove otherwise you are just a sucker for corporate brochures.
        Yeah I have seen the videos of it firing on the move, they don't show any of the shells landing though, probably because the accuracy is measured in acres.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure western militaries are trialing it and confirming what you say, then buying it anyway lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tell the computer where to fire
          >hold down the trigger
          >the computer wait until the randomly bumping around barrel points at the exact correct angle
          >fire
          It requires very good sensors, but it's not exactly rocket science my guy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            by the time the shell leaves the barrel it will no longer be in the exact correct angle

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What if it just stopped, fired twice and then moved within 8 seconds? Thereby making it incredibly difficult to spot with counterbattery?
              https://www.knds.de/en/systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/artillery/rch-155/
              The platform offers a lot more than just fire on the move too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So same issues handled daily by the FCS of an MBT?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >by the time the shell leaves the barrel it will no longer be in the exact correct angle
              Of course not, but don't you think they'd calculate the projected movement of the barrel for the few tens of milliseconds it's gonna move before the projectile leaves the barrel? It's not rocket science.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Needing to wait until the computer accept to shoot don't sound like good design to me.
            I can imagine
            >pull the trigger
            >nothing
            >still pulling
            >nothing
            >stop the tank
            >it finally shoot
            Also even if it look really fast, the time it take for the projectile to leave the cannon would definitely impact it's trajectory and damage the cannon.
            It look like a lot of effort for no reason (yet).
            If counter-battery happened in 10 second flat, now I guess you'd fricking hurry.

            https://i.imgur.com/qzYukIS.gif

            >I don't care what kind of Krautmetall copium you are huffing, you can't stabilize a 9 meter long barrel while moving on realistic terrain and expect to be accurate at long range.

            It's impressive but a tank would shoot at much closer target.
            Maybe the precision that hold for 4km isn't enough for 20+

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's impressive but a tank would shoot at much closer target.
              >Maybe the precision that hold for 4km isn't enough for 20+
              Yeah but it showcases that it can be done in some capacity. Really, the RCH-155 only really needs to slow down or stop for a few seconds to take a shot. The barrel won't shake when it's still, only when it's firing that way.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Planes have no problem with that approach. A few smart scopes use it too.
              Authorize fire, then the computer handles the actual trigger pull timing as soon as you're in a good point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Airfighter do not operate in the same context and do not risk losing their target if they shoot too late (on top of the projectile travel time).

                I'll only see a need for shooting on the move if counter-battery reach a point where the shot is done as soon the sound allow to triangulate the exact position.
                This CAN and WILL happen, but I think we've got a tech generation until it does and it will be superfluous if better detection/shell allow to know where the enemy artillery is anyway and shoot guided shells on moving target.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Needing to wait until the computer accept to shoot don't sound like good design to me.
              It's a proven concept and currently in use.
              Then again, the real question is if you actually need to fire on the move when you can just stop - fire - drive in 10 seconds.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a proven concept and currently in use.
                Not that I now of in THAT context and I see no reason why. Even with the delay of shells travel time they need to know when it will actually shot as they are moving.
                We are not at a point where we actually need to shoot on the move with artillery.
                Tank can shoot on the move and they expect instantaneity as far I know so they can shoot when convenient.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          of course you're right. the point of the gimmicky "shooting on the move" demonstration is to show that there is no setup time besides coming to a halt and they can hit the gas the very second the shell leaves the barrel. the archer needs almost a minute to stop, shoot and start moving again.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the archer needs almost a minute to stop, shoot and start moving again.
            i love how we are now pretending that this isnt good enough

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It eas good enough until something better appeared.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not.

              The Germans and NATO have highly advanced counter battery radars which will locate the locations of artillery within 15 seconds.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And then you have to
                >provide a battery with a target
                >let said battery prepare, load and fire
                >account for flight time

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, as a stratego I would have a battery dedicated to counter artillery so the other ones wouldn't be bothering about it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >seconds
                >already done
                >fair enough

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Counter battery radars have to be turned off a lot of the time otherwise they eat ARMs

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If we can't beat ourselves then it's not good enough

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't care what kind of Krautmetall copium you are huffing, you can't stabilize a 9 meter long barrel while moving on realistic terrain and expect to be accurate at long range.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The beer sways visibly in the pint, thus verifying that anon's argument.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, Leo2s are like 45 years old.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >overkill
      Shut the frick up moron.

      https://i.imgur.com/nSo33O0.jpeg

      These fresh out the oven guys can fire on the move and are gonna appear on battlefields in 30~ units toward the end of the year.
      How do you think they'll perform compared to Shoot&Scoot platforms?

      >can fire on the move
      Doesn't mean "should" fire on the move. Though when pilot-in-flight munitions become a reality this'll have an even bigger advantage over things like the Archer.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw we can make cantabrian circles with artillery now
    Bueno

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is it not a shoot and scoot platform? Do they give themselves flat tires if they shoot the gun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its a shoot while scoot

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Totally makes sense to install some APS on top, ain't it? guranteed no infantry around to worry about explosion effects, and enemy would definitely try to use some drones to kill it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its more mobile than both caesar and archer
      quicker to fire and to leave
      because there is no packing up

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so wont need aps

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even if it did, you could just have one of those laser equipped SHORAD vehicles tag along a squad of them and they'd be fine

          What if it just stopped, fired twice and then moved within 8 seconds? Thereby making it incredibly difficult to spot with counterbattery?
          https://www.knds.de/en/systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/artillery/rch-155/
          The platform offers a lot more than just fire on the move too.

          The real amazing capability of these SPAAGs is that they'd be able to network and work on automation. You could effectively fly a stealth drone, a spotter drone or something like an F-35 and just call in like 10 or so of these frickers from across a frontline to do attack.
          Since they are also able to move quickly while on attack (at worst only stopping for a handful of seconds to shoot) they're also able to act in a much more offensive role as long as they've got spotters.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we will find out

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >DUDE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the days of gun-arty are over. We must welcome our missile overlords.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    >fresh out the oven

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      -.-

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea the production line won't be finished until later in the year and the first 35 are earmarked for Ukraine

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >move & shoot
    Stabilise the gun and have a modern fcs; it's good now!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians can't even counter shoot and scoot platforms, so this will do very well.
    The asshurt about on-the-move fire is already flaring up, while the only thing we know is that it can do this at a maximum of 30 km/h, with no information about precision.
    This system is obviously not made with saturation fire in mind, considering how little ammo it carries.
    So the smartest way to use it obviously is to stuff it full of Excalibur, Vulkan, Smart and such, driving closer to the frontline than other tube artillery pieces and raining GPS and otherwise guided munitions down on the Russians without becoming a target.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a big gun

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Old demonstration that it took less than one minute to fire four rounds in less than minute and then to get the frick out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How silly:

      https://x.com/nicholadrummond/status/1428431552015388676

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Old demonstration that it took less than one minute to fire four rounds in less than minute and then to get the frick out.

        It's also firing on the move here, so if it's able to keep a semblance of accuracy while doing so (or at least get earmarked the guided artillery) then it'll be pretty much the go-to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How silly:

          https://x.com/nicholadrummond/status/1428431552015388676

          Frick off nicholas, you literall shill.
          Boxer a shit program, a total export, order failure by little numbers procured, total clusterfrick between r&r and delivery time, different versions between users (A1, A2, A3), models amended to a lesser function (duch using engineer as apcs with just 6 dismounts or the AUS amended order causing Germany to have to acquire them from Australian production line). Costs have inflated to like 6 mil a piece, the platform modularity is not as useful in these little numbers and variants and lastly these, and in particular the AGM module especially makes no sense on a wheeled platform that should at best be secondary. RCH will have little personnel, shitty capacity, requires larger support structure etc.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >like new tech
            >YOU MUST BE A SHILL
            If you don't like the boxer then elect a government that'll try to request it on a tracked platform instead lol

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          love the random Hunter Killer feature they added

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it looks like the chassis is way too light for the gun, that thing had maxed out its rear suspension on the first shot

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