Rape within russian army

I was wondering how the rape within the russian army has not led to people shooting the rapists themselves.

Real talk: How can this continue to exist?

People absolutely humiliate and dehumanize their own comrades, which MUST have some friends around, and then they just proceed to hand them a loaded gun?
How is this not leading to 50% of the raped going into absolute blood rage and killing everyone they can get their hands on?
And if it's happening, why are superiors continuing to accept something that just artificially increases attrition, lowers morale and is generally a horrible thing to do? How about the long term perspectives? How the frick you you expect to re-integrate rapists and raped victims back into society without too many people succumbing to heroin or becoming serial killers?

Please: No meme answers. For once.

There must be *some* explanation to it that is more than "hurr durr they're orcs ahuehuehue".

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Blyat Broken

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The subordinate is always wrong. That is the central ethos of the Russian army.
    Mix that in with the obedience training every soldier is put through, and you can't question the practice, because the guy one rank higher than you said it was okay. The guy one rank higher than you said it was okay because he's protecting himself, or one of his buddies, so on, so forth. The practice is also usually a form of 'entertainment' for frontline troops to perform on troops who do not typically fight, or are about to be intentionally mulched anyways. You don't have to worry about the guy who digs ditches with a shovel shooting you.
    You ask how the survivors of such a practice don't get on heroin the moment they're out of the military, that's the neat part, they do. Heroin, codeine, and of course, their own homebrew krokodil(which I'm not sure is still in vogue). Mix that with the acceptability of drinking yourself into a stupor every night, and your victims will kill themselves eventually, intentionally or otherwise.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not strictly an army thing, it's a prison thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is a prison masquerading as a country, with mobsters masquerading as officials.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Let me google which country has the highest prison population percentage really quick.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >highest prison population percentage
          Cuba? El Salvador? Rwanda?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where did you get *those* numbers?
            Maybe I'm googling wrong but every other website consistently shows me the usa is champion in that area.
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Show me statistics from pre 2022 and you'll find the US and Russia somewhat even. But after 2022.... Well the US sure pulls ahead.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But after 2022.... Well the US sure pulls ahead.

            gee why would that be...

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >There must be *some* explanation to it that is more than "hurr durr they're orcs ahuehuehue".
    There is not. You know these evil racists? They are right. About everything. Its genetics.
    Over the course of last 1000 years russians have killed their best and brightest over and over again, in tsar times in communism - everybody who is smarter, beautiful or better is killed/gulaged. Their genetics is now such a warped frickery that some casual rape in military is not even worth mentioning.

    Unironically, all these russian values - lying, homosexualry, slave mentality is their own doing, everybody against this is killed off. And i dont think you can recover as a nation when your elite has been gulaged to such an extent in long periods of time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China has even more megadeaths and muttification yet they've survived and succeeded somehow. I'm sure there's a genetic element by now, but it's clearly a cultural phenomenon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >China has even more megadeaths and muttification yet they've survived and succeeded somehow. I'm sure there's a genetic element by now, but it's clearly a cultural phenomenon.
        Genetic element of dysgenics can really appear in various ways, hence the "frickery", like in arab countries they frick the sisters and cows and worship a warlord. I think fundamentally culture is more emergent feature of genetics.

        Regarding china, i agree that china is muttified dysgenic horrorshow but i would not call china successful. And you can argue something like total gpd number big(totally not fake)or they manufacture alot (totally not shit)or similar veins, but reality is that nobody wants to live there as it is polluted shithole with no qualoty of life, they havent offered anything worth mentioning to the world in innovation, and they have no real future, as theyve fricked their soil and water for future generations, and even living for yolo style, they are still farfar behind any western country.
        As bit of a thought experiment - what if instead billion chinese there would be billion germans in china - now thay would be a successful kickass country.
        I would argue like russians , chinese wasted their potential when good guys got killed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/8qPm8lA.png

      This anon has in my oppinion managed to succintly nail this topic down

      These, really.
      It's a corner of the world that has practiced natural selection in the worst way possible.
      They're all criminals. They see no issue with lying. If you're not a bully, then you're being bullied. It's not gay to have sex with other men. A soldier is a patriot if he dies and a filthy traitor if he survives.

      Russians are not ''Black folk.'' They're what happens when a society decays for a millennia without any major reform.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This anon has in my oppinion managed to succintly nail this topic down

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ever since the 60’s the Russian military started becoming more like outright prison due to more prisoners being conscripted, and now its formed where you have the new blood conscripts, the ones who have been in for a few years, and the lifers as entirely separate entities. New bloods are the ones who get fricked with and stuck with toilet cleaning duties and all that, the ones that survive and don’t sudoku or go postal become part of the fricking, and so on. And given that centralization and subordination is still a big deal in the Russian forces, this shit isn’t going anywhere. And as others like have said, Russia over the centuries has done pretty much everything it could to drive away the intelligent, talented, industrious, etc. people through repression, killings, gulags, censorship, etc. that by now only those who are either loyal and in with the corruption or those who aren’t deemed threatening remain. And Putin essentially centralized said corruption to where Russia is more or less a mafia state still running off the fumes of the USSR.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Inside the Soviet Army by Victor Suvorov [obvious pseudonym - he was a Russian official who defected to America in the Cold War] gives a good atmospheric feel for the 1980s Russian army. Obviously he was writing to an audience but hindsight has shown it generally accurate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The prisoner conscription started in the 1940s. They even used prisoner conscripts in the Winter War and Nazi-supported Invasion of Poland, in 1939.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Real talk: How can this continue to exist?
    Russians like it.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How is this not leading to 50% of the raped going into absolute blood rage

    People do fight back but the Russian state tries to cover up the cases in order to save the army some face. For example there was a Lithuanian guy who shot eight of his squadmates after they attempted to rape him. Later on the state recognized him as "mentally ill".

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Raped people don't go into blood rages, they're too demoralized and fricked up for that.

    And Russians have no superiors, RU officers are just the equivalent of sergeants and they're too removed from the enlisted men to do anything.

    >why are superiors continuing to accept something that just artificially increases attrition, lowers morale and is generally a horrible thing to do?
    Simple, its not their problem. And conscripts will always be around because of conscription being mandantory.
    >b-b-but the conscripts will be shitty soldiers because they're raped says the rational-actor believing American
    Simple, not their problem.
    >How the frick you you expect to re-integrate rapists and raped victims back into society without too many people succumbing to heroin or becoming serial killers?
    Simple, you don't expect anything. Besides if they kill themselves or do drugs or whatever, its their problem, not yours.

    Also much of the "rape" isn't that forced, there's enough that is consentful to go around.

    >There must be *some* explanation says the American who believes in a ordered and just world and logical reality.
    The explanation is that Russian society is a Asiatic, oriental peasant, serf society that is deeply apathetic and nihilistic, built through brutal serfdom and a revolutionary totalitarian system that has left a country unfit for anything resembling civilization or western society.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fifteen other American bombers landed safely or crash-landed in Switzerland that day. Some of them had been fired on by Swiss pilots and flak gunners. This was not unusual. By the end of the summer of 1944, over a thousand Americans would be in Swiss hands, held under military guard and forbidden from leaving the country for the duration of the war.

    >In the last two years of the war, the “benevolent hosts” of the American airmen threw 187 of them into one of the most abhorrent prison compounds in Europe, a punishment camp run by a sadistic Nazi. One of these unfortunates was Daniel Culler. Culler was never told why he was sent to Straflager Wauwilermoos, or for how long. As he passed through the gates of the prison, his military guard whispered to him. “I’m sorry to bring you to this hellhole. Watch your every step. There are some awful men in here, and you are so young.”

    >Culler's good clothes were confiscated by Béguin in return to "old dirty rags." Sent to barracks 9, Culler was repeatedly raped by internees from Eastern Europe. He reported to the camp commandant André Béguin and some of the guards, who laughed and sent him back.

    >“What happened to me that night, and many more to follow, was the worst hell any person ever had to endure,” Culler wrote in his searing prison memoir. A group of Russian prisoners held him down, stuffed straw in his mouth, and sodomized him repeatedly. “Coming from a small farming community, I never heard of men doing to me what they did. I... hadn’t even been with a girl, except to hold her hand and give her a light kiss on her cheek or mouth. I was bleeding from all the openings of my body, and I prayed to God to take my life from me.”

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He was raped again the next morning and forced to have oral sex with several of his assailants, who stuck sticks in his mouth to pry it open. After being knocked unconscious, he awoke to find blood running down his throat. Too weak to move, and with his hands tied behind his back, he was thrown into the waste ditch outside the barracks. “When I finally came to my senses, I crawled from the ditch and tried to wipe myself with straw. I noticed something was hanging from my rectum, and realizing it was skin from the inside, I tried to push it back in.”

      >Within days Culler’s entire body was covered with boils from the lice and rats in the feces-contaminated straw. The rapes continued and became more violent. He began to vomit blood and an unknown yellow substance, and he developed chronic, bloody diarrhea.

      >When Culler was finally taken from Wauwilermoos and given his day in court, he discovered that Swiss justice was a mockery. The military court proceeding was conducted entirely in German, and when it was over, Culler was handed an English translation of the transcript. He would be sent back to Wauwilermoos without medical treatment and for an unstated period of time. The transcript did not contain a single word of his oral testimony describing his rape and the conditions inside the prison. The final indignity was a bill Culler received for 18 francs—compensation for the court’s time and trouble.

      >Back in prison, Culler was tormented by a loud ringing in his ears—the result of beatings suffered at the hands of the Russians. They had been transferred, but sitting alone in a corner of the barracks, wrapped in a thin blanket, Dan Culler felt he was losing his mind. “The last I remember at Wauwilermoos, I was acting like a madman, trying to stuff straw down my throat so I could not breathe.”

      Swiss Germans are to this day the scum of the earth

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >He was raped again the next morning and forced to have oral sex with several of his assailants, who stuck sticks in his mouth to pry it open. After being knocked unconscious, he awoke to find blood running down his throat. Too weak to move, and with his hands tied behind his back, he was thrown into the waste ditch outside the barracks. “When I finally came to my senses, I crawled from the ditch and tried to wipe myself with straw. I noticed something was hanging from my rectum, and realizing it was skin from the inside, I tried to push it back in.”

    >Within days Culler’s entire body was covered with boils from the lice and rats in the feces-contaminated straw. The rapes continued and became more violent. He began to vomit blood and an unknown yellow substance, and he developed chronic, bloody diarrhea.

    >When Culler was finally taken from Wauwilermoos and given his day in court, he discovered that Swiss justice was a mockery. The military court proceeding was conducted entirely in German, and when it was over, Culler was handed an English translation of the transcript. He would be sent back to Wauwilermoos without medical treatment and for an unstated period of time. The transcript did not contain a single word of his oral testimony describing his rape and the conditions inside the prison. The final indignity was a bill Culler received for 18 francs—compensation for the court’s time and trouble.

    >Back in prison, Culler was tormented by a loud ringing in his ears—the result of beatings suffered at the hands of the Russians. They had been transferred, but sitting alone in a corner of the barracks, wrapped in a thin blanket, Dan Culler felt he was losing his mind. “The last I remember at Wauwilermoos, I was acting like a madman, trying to stuff straw down my throat so I could not breathe.”

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/YXemi5j.jpeg

      >Fifteen other American bombers landed safely or crash-landed in Switzerland that day. Some of them had been fired on by Swiss pilots and flak gunners. This was not unusual. By the end of the summer of 1944, over a thousand Americans would be in Swiss hands, held under military guard and forbidden from leaving the country for the duration of the war.

      >In the last two years of the war, the “benevolent hosts” of the American airmen threw 187 of them into one of the most abhorrent prison compounds in Europe, a punishment camp run by a sadistic Nazi. One of these unfortunates was Daniel Culler. Culler was never told why he was sent to Straflager Wauwilermoos, or for how long. As he passed through the gates of the prison, his military guard whispered to him. “I’m sorry to bring you to this hellhole. Watch your every step. There are some awful men in here, and you are so young.”

      >Culler's good clothes were confiscated by Béguin in return to "old dirty rags." Sent to barracks 9, Culler was repeatedly raped by internees from Eastern Europe. He reported to the camp commandant André Béguin and some of the guards, who laughed and sent him back.

      >“What happened to me that night, and many more to follow, was the worst hell any person ever had to endure,” Culler wrote in his searing prison memoir. A group of Russian prisoners held him down, stuffed straw in his mouth, and sodomized him repeatedly. “Coming from a small farming community, I never heard of men doing to me what they did. I... hadn’t even been with a girl, except to hold her hand and give her a light kiss on her cheek or mouth. I was bleeding from all the openings of my body, and I prayed to God to take my life from me.”

      Why is it specifically rape? You see the nazi germans doing atrocities, murder, loot and yes, raping all of europe. But i have never heard of them going around mass raping men.
      Is rape a tool in russian society? It does not seem to be about pleasure or anything like that. But why? The rush of subordinating someon else? But arent there other ways of that like making em fetch things or basically bullying em for their lunch

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/YXemi5j.jpeg

        >Fifteen other American bombers landed safely or crash-landed in Switzerland that day. Some of them had been fired on by Swiss pilots and flak gunners. This was not unusual. By the end of the summer of 1944, over a thousand Americans would be in Swiss hands, held under military guard and forbidden from leaving the country for the duration of the war.

        >In the last two years of the war, the “benevolent hosts” of the American airmen threw 187 of them into one of the most abhorrent prison compounds in Europe, a punishment camp run by a sadistic Nazi. One of these unfortunates was Daniel Culler. Culler was never told why he was sent to Straflager Wauwilermoos, or for how long. As he passed through the gates of the prison, his military guard whispered to him. “I’m sorry to bring you to this hellhole. Watch your every step. There are some awful men in here, and you are so young.”

        >Culler's good clothes were confiscated by Béguin in return to "old dirty rags." Sent to barracks 9, Culler was repeatedly raped by internees from Eastern Europe. He reported to the camp commandant André Béguin and some of the guards, who laughed and sent him back.

        >“What happened to me that night, and many more to follow, was the worst hell any person ever had to endure,” Culler wrote in his searing prison memoir. A group of Russian prisoners held him down, stuffed straw in his mouth, and sodomized him repeatedly. “Coming from a small farming community, I never heard of men doing to me what they did. I... hadn’t even been with a girl, except to hold her hand and give her a light kiss on her cheek or mouth. I was bleeding from all the openings of my body, and I prayed to God to take my life from me.”

        >He was raped again the next morning and forced to have oral sex with several of his assailants, who stuck sticks in his mouth to pry it open. After being knocked unconscious, he awoke to find blood running down his throat. Too weak to move, and with his hands tied behind his back, he was thrown into the waste ditch outside the barracks. “When I finally came to my senses, I crawled from the ditch and tried to wipe myself with straw. I noticed something was hanging from my rectum, and realizing it was skin from the inside, I tried to push it back in.”

        >Within days Culler’s entire body was covered with boils from the lice and rats in the feces-contaminated straw. The rapes continued and became more violent. He began to vomit blood and an unknown yellow substance, and he developed chronic, bloody diarrhea.

        >When Culler was finally taken from Wauwilermoos and given his day in court, he discovered that Swiss justice was a mockery. The military court proceeding was conducted entirely in German, and when it was over, Culler was handed an English translation of the transcript. He would be sent back to Wauwilermoos without medical treatment and for an unstated period of time. The transcript did not contain a single word of his oral testimony describing his rape and the conditions inside the prison. The final indignity was a bill Culler received for 18 francs—compensation for the court’s time and trouble.

        >Back in prison, Culler was tormented by a loud ringing in his ears—the result of beatings suffered at the hands of the Russians. They had been transferred, but sitting alone in a corner of the barracks, wrapped in a thin blanket, Dan Culler felt he was losing his mind. “The last I remember at Wauwilermoos, I was acting like a madman, trying to stuff straw down my throat so I could not breathe.”

        Also to add to this:

        Raped people don't go into blood rages, they're too demoralized and fricked up for that.

        And Russians have no superiors, RU officers are just the equivalent of sergeants and they're too removed from the enlisted men to do anything.

        >why are superiors continuing to accept something that just artificially increases attrition, lowers morale and is generally a horrible thing to do?
        Simple, its not their problem. And conscripts will always be around because of conscription being mandantory.
        >b-b-but the conscripts will be shitty soldiers because they're raped says the rational-actor believing American
        Simple, not their problem.
        >How the frick you you expect to re-integrate rapists and raped victims back into society without too many people succumbing to heroin or becoming serial killers?
        Simple, you don't expect anything. Besides if they kill themselves or do drugs or whatever, its their problem, not yours.

        Also much of the "rape" isn't that forced, there's enough that is consentful to go around.

        >There must be *some* explanation says the American who believes in a ordered and just world and logical reality.
        The explanation is that Russian society is a Asiatic, oriental peasant, serf society that is deeply apathetic and nihilistic, built through brutal serfdom and a revolutionary totalitarian system that has left a country unfit for anything resembling civilization or western society.

        This whole rape theme is something from Near East Asiatic culture, from the steppes. Like Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other asian places near Europe, they all have a history of male sodomy going back to the pre-Christian, pre-Muslim times. You see something similar in say the Balkans as well.

        Where did you get *those* numbers?
        Maybe I'm googling wrong but every other website consistently shows me the usa is champion in that area.
        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country

        From Statistica.
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/#:~:text=As%20of%20January%202024%2C%20El,100%2C000%20of%20the%20national%20population.

        Your link shows the exact same numbers I posted. Are you one of those ESLs who doesn't know the difference between a total number and a percentage or rate?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This whole rape theme is something from Near East Asiatic culture from the steppes
          >steppe culture is pro gay rape
          The pieces clicked into place. I understand the alt-right now.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >From Statistica.
          https://www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/#:~:text=As%20of%20January%202024%2C%20El,100%2C000%20of%20the%20national%20population.

          >Your link shows the exact same numbers I posted
          You're right, and I'm terribly confused because it's not the website I wanted to post. I must have fricked up pasting the link or something, but that doesn't explain why I just had different numbers in front of me.
          Weird. And yea, you're right. Nowadays there's shitholes with more prison population than the usa.
          El Salvador, Cuba, Rwanda, Turkmenistan, American Samoa. Quite the company.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Immediately before the invasion of Ukraine I lived for a couple months in Turkey with four military aged Russians.
    One was a Yakustk who fled Russia mostly for dodging the draft, one was an half Turk who left at 16 and wanted to go back as soon as he was too old for military service, one was a brilliant programmer who dodged it by staying at the university as long as possible and then hiding in the hostels of Moscow and the fourth one actually served in the army and worked as a lackey for a politician and an intermediary with the police (he basically negotiated bribes to cops).
    I asked them why were they dodging the draft: I really wished I could join the armed forces for one year to get some military experience, but in my country (Italy) it is quite difficult to get in the armed forces for people like me.
    The half Turk said "You are crazy it you want to join the army, they rape you".
    I laughed, because I could not believe it.
    And he continued "Yes, yes! You know, dick in the ass, every day, dick-in-dick-out, aaah uhn aahh" *sounds and gestures of gay sex*
    The proud muscovite programmer guy looked away.
    The face of the Putin's-party guy who served in the army turned into something I can't describe. There was no life left in his eyes. He sat motionless, speechless, an empty husk.
    But I still could not believe it, I still had an high opinion of the russian armed forces.
    A few days later, I came back to my country and this war started.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I was wondering how the rape within the russian army has not led to people shooting the rapists themselves.

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