Why did the LR-300 fail back then while guns like the PSA Jakl, SIG MCX, etc. succeeded even though they were late to the game compared to it?
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Why did the LR-300 fail back then while guns like the PSA Jakl, SIG MCX, etc. succeeded even though they were late to the game compared to it?
Better question why isn’t it in Stalker 2?
HATO mercenaries were driven out of the region during the SMO.
>Stalker 2 will include mutated mobiks roaming in the red forest
Can't wait
>Why did the LR-300 fail back then while guns like the PSA Jakl, SIG MCX
Most of the key reasons for the LR300s failure have been touched upon ITT already, but I think its worth noting the time it happened. This was before the AWB repeal so the civilian market for ARs was small, and even smaller for ARs that were $2k..Militarily, the M4 had just been adopted and there was a strong movement towards standardization in SOF roles, so then buying a specialty AR with a bunch of proprietary parts wasn't on anybodys agenda. There just wasn't demand for folding stock ARs, especially with the ongoing prospect of the SCAR replacing all M4s in Socom, so the very similar KAC PDW died as well. The MCX was just in the right place at the right time, if it had appeared in the mid-2000s it may have ended up a failure too. FWIW, I did hear an anecdote on a forum many years ago that the DEA bought a small handful of them and they saw use on FAST teams, but that was totally unsubstantiated.
Seems to me a lot of the micro-lore of stalker has been wiped. Theres allegedly an L85A2 in the game, which wouldn't exist in stalker because according to the item descriptions in the first game, the G36 replaced the A1 in british service in the late 90s instead of the A1s being upgraded to A2s. Similarly, if the LR300 were as prolific IRL as it is in the stalker games, I doubt the 416 would have ever come to be; but that's in trailers.
OG piston ARs were finnicky
It's di.
It was super expensive and made by a dude in his shed. Really cool gun. MCX copies a lot from its bolt. Guy who invented it is on boomercom.
>and made by a dude in his shed.
Based, wonder why he never tried to work with another company to produce it
He sold the design to Para Ordnance at some point but the guns they made were hot garbage. The inventor was more of a 1911 guy anyway. I saw a picture in a magazine a long time ago of one he made with a shrouded hammer.
Isn't that what AR-15s are suited for the best? All you need is a good CNC machine, maybe some injection molding stuff if you want to make your own handguards and buttstocks. No need for your own cannon drill, just buy blanks and machine them to you specs.
Too small "literally who" and bad marketing. To prove how bad the marketing was, we can see that only one other poster in this thread (this guy ) understands that it's a gas impingement gun and not another off-bore-axis piston gun.
to be fair, it's basically a combination of piston and DI and is an ingenious design for a folding stock AR because all the spring is on the "piston" rather than in a buffer tube
No, it's an AR15 BCG with the rear half lopped off. The gas key is extended over the gas tube and the main action spring rides over both. If anything, it should be called "long stroke gas impingement" as the gas key and gas tube never disconnect unlike a regular AR15 where the gas key and tube disconnect after ~1/2” or so. Just like a regular AR15 the bolt is the piston, gas vents from the carrier ports after the carrier has traveled enough to unlock the bolt. In the LR300, there are a few more carrier ports but thats really it.
AR15s are not direct impingement like mas49/56 or Hakim rifles, they are " gas impingement ".
>t. no LR300s were sold in my country so I made one.
>1/2”
Should be 1" or so I forget it's been a while. The rest is accurate enough.
post pics of it I always wanted to make my own but maybe one with a modern tone with FF rail.
Nah they banned everything recently, even if mine was lawfully dewatted they'll shoot my dog, slap me with a dozen charges and I'll be in and out of courts for about 2 years with 30k USD (equivalent) out of pocket legal expenses. Fedboys, my posts are all satire and falsehood, mere works of fiction.
>please protect your 2nd amendment rights, because leafland is the current example that your leaders are following
damn dude that sucks you mind drawing up a picture of the internals.
Everything used to be on operatorchan.org, I wonder if its archived. That would be the easiest.
God damn has there ever been a more brolic looking AR? Mogs the shit out of the ~~*present day*~~ meta. look at how gay this shit is.
Needs another A2 grip, maybe attached to the charging handle
It was never a mass production gun, most people who know about it learned about it from Stalker.
Also it's a weird and probably not great design with the super long gas key.
>most people who know about it learned about it from Stalker.
I actually learned about it from Rogue Spear and securityarms.com But STALKER put it in a good first person perspective.
had to be shit marketing like other anons said. Around the time it got sold to Para, I was playing around with the idea of converting the AR to a bullpup bc I was in the middle of my Halo obsession and had a similar idea on what to do with the BCG to make it happen
Then again, I wasn't on the internet much at the time, and my parents were firmly nogunz
Looks like the MBLR-15 is making my idea into a reality
It could've been up there with the Hellion as the not-killzone guns.
>picrel
pure sex
The LR-300 uses a modified Morris gas system. The basic concept is the same but Zitta figured out he could make the gas key even longer and also use it as a recoil spring guide. I'd actually like to see how that system would work on a conventional AR with a normal bolt carrier and buffer setup.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4765224A/en
Before I cut my BCG in half, I ran it a bit with the normal BCG and buffer spring/weight. Worked fine, I guess it would stay cleaner/cooler when suppressed as well.
Keep in mind I was working with an adjustable gas block at every step of everything so that made gassing it for different configurations pretty easy.
I submit that the other guns you listed are gaining moderate traction, but really it’s an uphill fight and they are only succeeding in any capacity because of name brand recognition and marketing.
AR-15 derivatives modified to have folding stocks are a lot of work to solve something that’s barely an issue, and in the process they bring their own downsides to the table. There are very few people who *NEED* the ability to fold the stock, so that mostly leaves people buying it as an expensive novelty.
I actually got to mess with one of these. basically the way it works is it has a really long gas key and the return spring goes around it. the one I worked on also had about a quart of red loctite holding the barrel nut on.
I don’t care how heavy or impractical that handguard is, it’s pure sex.
Is that pistol grip some dumb California shit?
the guy who owned it brought it to me so I could thread the barrel so I'm assuming it was produced in some kind of ban configuration.
I guess they really didn't want it to come off