>questions that don't deserve their own thread
if smoke grenades are legal (as long as they contain less than 1/4oz of explosive compound), and white phosphorus is legal (as long as the DEA doesn't catch you making meth out of it), then why aren't there commercial WP burst smoke grenades?
>questions that don't deserve their own thread
Because they'd be very expensive, not useful and exceedingly unpopular to distribute.
They would be a convenient workaround to federal pantshitting around incendiary projectiles. The smoke justification works for the government, why not me?
Also bursting smokes are neat. 37mm crew would cream their pants over white phosphorus shells.
Don't know shit about guns, total noob gay, but I'm planning to buy a handgun soon, I want to buy a manly gun for under $1000, any suggestions?
just get a glock
I don't want a glock, I shot a 1911 .45 and I really liked that
Get a CZ P10-C or P10-F and a mossberg 590 to go along with it.
Walther. They are like a glock, but nicer in every way.
>Walther. They are like a glock, but nicer in every way.
The PPQ and PDP have very nice triggers of the box for a striker fired polymer gun, but those pivoting paddle mag releases make me throw up in my mouth a little. The PPQ M2 had a conventional pushbutton release, so of course it was discontinued, because we can't have nice things.
you could get a reasonably nice 1911 for that price, or a USP 45 if you want something with higher capacity. $1000 is really a substantial budget for a handgun, you don't really need to compromise unless you're trying to go gucci
TWO WORLD WARS
G19 gen 5 or M&P 2.0
>Zero safeties and a hair trigger
Then get a 1911, Rugers are decent and well within your budget but IMO you'd be silly not to up your budget by 100-200 bucks and buy a lightly used dan Wesson.
>T bought an sr1911 and sold it to buy a like new valor for 1100
take other people's suggestions and try some rentals at a range. if the range is based theyll let you pay for an hour rental and swap out guns, so you can try out a bunch for the price of one
Springfield Hellcat for concealed carry
S&W M&P 2.0 for home defense
Canik TP9 for budget home defense
Looking for a pistol light that has a finger hook like Pic related.
I know I've seen them but now I can't find them
.22s get you more range time per dollar and can be lots of fun to shoot. The S&W Victory Model, Browning Buckmark, and the newest Ruger--I think they're up to the Mark IV now--are all pretty popular and get lots of good reviews.
Get a Highpoint you'll love it.
No. I know you're meming, but no. Someone might not get the joke. They're cheap for a reason.
Hi-Point pistols do not have an ejector. They have an extra long firing pin that also ejects the case after firing. If you understand anything about firearms, that should scare the shit out of you.
Hi-Point products are in the same class as Jennings, Stallard, Jimenez, Cobra, Rossi, Bersa, Llama, Astra, RG, and Rohm. Taurus is a tiny notch up from Hi-Point because their Beretta 92 clones are made on a production line that fulfills Brazilian military contracts so they're actually sort of decent, and some people have good luck with the TX22, though some don't. Kel-Tec is a tiny notch up from Hi-Point because the combination of innovative design and shitty QC means you sometimes get lucky and get a good one. Tanfoglio is a tiny notch up from Hi-Point because they only copy the best, and the heat treatment problems aren't universal, so people get lucky and get good ones. Friends don't let friends buy a Hi-Point.
Considering the no fun allowed nature of the BATFE they'd likely choose to define the WP as counting towards the explosive load weight as it's an incendiary agent. Ex despite containing no amount of actual explosive Molotov cocktails are considered destructive devices by the BATFE.
As it stands, WP is wholly unregulated by BATFE, which is strange because they've had like 50 years to do it. If they do decide to take a look at it, you could argue that it's a smoke compound and not an incendiary agent just like the US Military does. After all they have never given a fuck about smoke (the reason why they put the kibosh on ALS smoke grenades was because of the M201a1 fuzes) and unless it's used in the next national news tragedy I doubt it would attract that attention in the first place
>As it stands, WP is wholly unregulated by BATFE, which is strange because they've had like 50 years to do it.
Anon, gasoline/kerosene/whatever isn't regulated by the BATFE either until/if they decide it is and now suddenly it's an explosive too. It'd be a felony if you used fucking nail polish remover. I'm not saying I agree but the precedent is clearly there and the fact that you're using one of the gnarliest incendiary agents out there is gonna really raise some eyebrows when they hear about it.
>you could argue that it's a smoke compound and not an incendiary agent just like the US Military does.
The BATFE is notorious for ignoring inconvenient truths like that.
I'm not saying I agree eor anything but I personally think it's pretty obvious what their opinion would be, if you want a real answer then write the tech branch about it
To continue, you can ask them about shit that literally isn't even remotely a DD like 37mm Dragons Breath and they start to invoke the ATF like they're their biggest fans. I swear it's like these morons believe there's ATF in the walls
This actually makes me seethe. I can't even ask questions anymore because of this shit, because boomers are the only ones that know anything about 37mm loading
Almost like incendiary agents are treated the same as explosives.
>The term “destructive device” means (1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E) mine, or (F) similar device;
But they aren't incendiary anon. They're smoke bombs :^)
>vietnamese screams in the background
You're right. Now, what chemical processes create smoke?
I’ve mad colored smoke bombs; it’s a mix of a cool burning pyro substrate with a vaporized special solvent dye. Walrus industries makes the best dyes.
Trick question, tons of them
I get what you're saying, but to go off on a tangent, is there evidence that this has ever actually happened? Every 37mm forum boomer seems to have it in their head that the omnipotent ATF will waco you the second a shell adapter contacts an unregistered launcher, and that every legal gray area like the one we were just talking about is automatically THE FELONY and you will DIE
I personally have never heard of anyone being prosecuted solely for an NFA violation (unless you're advertising with your name and address on the internet like the autokeycard guys) let alone getting 10 years. Especially considering that it ISN'T a felony, strictly following the letter of the law.
Well, that's embarassing
what is an (F) similar device?
It's one that results in pressing (F) to pay respects.
Quick question. What is the ranking of medical equipment these days? I'm basically just trying to sort my heap of old and new medical gear. How does this sound?
- Soldier's compress. Sole medical equipment carried by a regular soldier. Or maybe that has changed.
- Civilian's first aid bag, for the belt or backpack
- Civilian's first aid bag, for the car
- Soldier's belt first aid bag. Can deal with bullet wounds and bleedings
- Medic's belt first aid bag, and IFAKs. Larger than the above, includes chest wound gear and some meds
- Military first aid station's chest. Like medic back x 20, but also bandages and some operation equipment like blood.
- Surgery unit. All the machines that go ping, the whole operation equipment plus the above, and more post operation stuff like meds and wound treatment and cast equipment.
- post surgery, reconvalesents, for patients who can return to duty in a little while or needs to stabilize before they can be sent home.
So. How far off reality am I?
>A Bag/S.T.O.M.P II Bag
>Vehicle Mounted Kit
This is where the line ends for anything worthwhile, unless you are a board certified trauma surgeon; in which case go nuts.
>Soldier's compress. Sole medical equipment carried by a regular soldier. Or maybe that has changed.
Absolutely fucking not. Every Joe carries an IFAK as standard. Contents will slightly vary based on SOP, but almost always includes at least one torniquet, chest seal, compressed gauze, gloves, sheers, and tape. A large portion have NPAs and decompression needles. In addition to the IFAK many individual units/AOs in combat have additional SOP to carry more tourniquets in their chest or ankle pockets.
Here's a pic of a random soldier with a TQ in their shoulder pocket with red tab out and prepped. Very common SOP
>names on helmet cover bands
When did that start?
Since at least 2003. Did you just step out of a time machine from WW2?
Since the 80s at least, maybe even sooner. Started with sharpieing your name there, by the mid 1990s there already were narrow embroidered name tapes in the system intended for goretex parkas (worn on the left arm pocket) and helmet bands.
anyone have that gun randomizer image/post that generates a random gun based on action/caliber/form factor? i remember seeing it a few months ago
White phosphorus and it’s combustion byproduct phosphorus pentoxide is extremely toxic
Should I buy a used g43x with case and 2 mags from my local pawn shop for $399? It's good condition a little bit of carry lint. Or should. Wait for the PSA micro dagger to be released? I'm going to buy their 15 round mags either way.
CAPTCHA DAGGY4 maybe that's a sign?
If its a homebrew glonk I'd avoid it, it its an actual glock brand glock then its a pretty good deal and I would always pick it over a PSA tbh
I remember reading about a cold war missile system that was in development then cancelled at the fall of the Soviet union that was meant to take out large Soviet armor columns. It was basically a missile that carried smaller Maverik type missiles that would target individual tanks to take out a whole group of them at once.
Can anyone tell me if I'm remembering it right and what it's designation was, or if I'm remembering wishful fap bait.
You're probably thinking of the CBU-97 Sensor Fused Weapon. It flung out a bunch of spinning skeet submunitions that scanned the target area then each skeet detonated forming an EFP tank killer. It wipes out whole armor formations. One CBU-97 can cover 15 acres worth of targets. It's still in production and service.
Current version is the CBU-105, which uses the same sensor fuzed weapons and creates self-forging penetrators. Lockmart claims it can sense and correct for crosswinds during the drop.
does anyone have the specs for a QD hole? like the hole that a qd sling loop would go into.
Do artillery and mortar shells have scoring cuts on the inside to promote even fragmentation, like modern grenades? I've seen multiple designs that are scored in various ways, but it looks like the standard shells are just smooth faced.
big arty shells mainly do their damage via the explosion itself, there's not really enough shell there to make enough frag to matter. if you were close enough to catch frag you would probably get got by the explosion anyway
this obviously depends on the shell in particular, there are enhanced fragmentation shells. but based on all the cutaways I've seen it looks like all smooth metal
Just read in an article that arty shells are smooth walled for structural stability.
neat info on kill radius
Some, not all. Look up gurney equations for fragmentation and you'll see with the right casing design you can get good fragmentation even without it. The trick is that if you want to change from that ideal for any reason (like weight savings) then you can fall back on scoring and prefragmentation for best effect.
Mortars frequently do, and mortar rounds also often, though not universally, have preformed fragments built in too, like notched steel wire, or ball bearings. They can get away with that in mortar rounds because they aren't subjected to the enormous accelerations that artillery shells are. That's why mortar rounds--and rockets--have so much more HE fill in them relative to their weight than artillery shells do. An artillery shell with a scored or grooved casing would be at increased risk of catastrophic failure during firing and detonation inside the gun barrel.
Pineapple grenades were tested and found that the scoring in the metal tended to not fragment as predicted, but rather break along those lines to form a few large chunks rather than all those little squares. Similar tests were done on the best use of x amount of explosives for improvised munitions, including seamless pipe of various thicknesses and materials, scored/grooved pipe, Pipe with objects attached on outside and/or inside, Wrapped with metal sheet, wrapped with tape and ball bearings, wrapped with tape and nails. The conclusion of this test was that the best use of a brick of explosives was 3 wrappings of nails, as they produced the most lethal shrapnel out to a acceptable distance. All of these tests were conducted by the Army for the Army's various intelligence services.
The scoring on the exterior of the casing, I have read, wasn't for fragmentation, it was to make the grenade more grippy and easier to handle in a muddy trench. For fragmentation, the scoring would need to be on the inside, not the outside. Or so I've heard the claim.
This looks pretty consistent. Seems like the explosive is powerful enough to give consistent fragmentation with a smooth case. Grenades are probably underpowered and need help.
Is this decent for babby's first optic? Coworker is selling it lightly used for $80.
Only the M Spec ones are worth a damn IIRC and even then you can get a lot more optic for the same price.
Just get a Holosun if you're a gross poor
Fragments are rifle rounds out to 100ft, and pistol rounds at 200-500ft. Pretty scary
Got a stock Glock 22 gen 3 and 17 complete upper for a print build I made 2 years ago. I’ve done some research but it’s all old forums and dated videos. Long story short, I see some confirmation that the 22 ejector (the part on the lower, not the extractor on the slide) will work with 9mm. So far everything seems to feed and eject fine. Have any of y’all ran a Glock 22 with a 17 complete upper and shoot 9mm reliably without changing the ejector? I’ll try it out personally at the range myself probably this Friday but wanted some more input for reassurance, also cause I like the idea of versatility being able to shoot 3 calibers in one frame. So, soon most likely going to get a .357 sig barrel and if needed, a OEM 9mm ejector.
General consensus is that you can but there may be a hit to reliability, otherwise Glock would have used the same ejector. The 9mm ejector in a .40 gun is more of an issue, it can hit the primer sometimes and could theoretically touch off a round.
I've personally converted and seen converted a few .40s to 9mms and I've never seen an issue derived from the wrong ejector, personally.
I want to paint a boat with Rhodesian brushstroke camo. I found stencils online for sale but they're vinyl and small meant for use on guns. Anyone got templates as a PDF I can scale up and print off to make cardboard cutouts for painting a boat?
Rhodesian camo isn't stenciled. Paint the whole thing yellow, let dry, and repaint green, but before the green dries sponge off portions of it
He said BRUSHSTROKE, like the clothes, not the guns.
Maybe upscale an image like pic related with an AI upscaler and just deal with a little blur in the stencil? Not sure how you'd tile (repeat) the pattern reliably but it should be possible.
Or if you check the archives you may be able to find the full size version, including the layer stencils.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing. Don't even need the upscaler, I can just print it out super blurry after scaling it up in GIMP, then go around each shape with a sharpie to define it, then go over that with an exacto on cardboard to make my stencils. But it's a pain in the ass and it will take forever.
Some other autists better recognize the Rhodie canoe to make this shit worth it
Is 7.62x39 adequate for grizzly bear defense out of a semi auto? I carry an SKS innawoods and my train of thought is that as long as I can penetrate and hit vitals/CNS id rather have the ability to get multiple shots off, maximizing hit probability, rather than carrying a fuckhueg 45-70 where i could only maybe get 1-2 off in time.
Can a gun based CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper shoot down a 16" shell?
I am inclined to think it wouldn't work very well. The shell weighs a ton and a half, the shells are mostly armor piercing HE with a smallish explosive charge in the middle of a massively thick hardened steel armor piercing casing, and the shell is likely to be coming in well over the speed of sound. It's only going to be within effective range of a CIWS for a few seconds. Even if it hits the shell, it may not get it to detonate or break up. And if it doesn't break up completely, it's still a ton and a half of incoming metal traveling faster than the speed of sound, now just broken into a few big chunks. CIWS is not intended for such a heavily armored target.
What about missile based CIWS?
It'd have to physically strike the incoming shell. A proximity fuze is probably not going to do enough. It might deflect the missile a tiny bit, maybe, and change its course. Or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-124_Wasp This one? It was one of those extremely audacious and optimistic 1970s ideas from Hughes. It isn't clear how far along development got. The missile was to be launched from pods, twelve 8" diameter missiles in a single launcher and an A10 or F16 was supposed to be able to carry four pods. The missiles were going to share sensor information, communicate, coordinate, and deconflict--spreading themselves out so that they would send at least one missile at every vehicle target in range instead of wasting themselves by all going for one or two--between launch and impact. The concept was basically a drone swarm, but missiles instead of quadcopters. In 1979 I don't think the tech existed to make it work. Now it probably would be pretty doable.
>the Fulda Gap, day two of World War III
>US lines have been breached, an entire Soviet tank division is pouring through the gap and exploiting
>entire tank regiment with 120+ vehicles is massed in an area less than 2km across, moving across open ground
>what's Russian for "boogity boogity?"
>flight of four A10s comes over a hill at treetop level
>four Wasp "hives" loaded on each, 48 missiles on each plane, 192 total
>all four pull up to lob their missiles from ten klicks out
>pilots press the big red "SIC 'EM" button
>one hundred and ninety two missiles ripple off the A10s over a period of two or three seconds
>missiles scan the area with thermal imaging and millimeter wave radar and share information about the targets they were locked onto prior to launch
>half the Russian vehicles get one missile locked onto them, the other half get two
>Soviet armored regiment is deleted
>not 100% casualties but the ones left alive aren't going to be doing any more advancing today
I wouldn't bet my life on it but if a 25mm shell hit an AP shell dead on it could know out the fuse or set it off.
If it's just a regular HE shell, I'd say certainly
Pic related is an Italian shell, but the construction would be similar on most. From the front aspect it would have to punch through the windscreen, the cap, and the entire hardened steel nose, which is like, 650+mm of steel. It'd do jack shit.
Goddamn, pic related.
Does anyone here do any metal refinishing? I just got a deal on a beat-up alloy-framed 9mm. It is mechanically sound but looks like an autistic child scoured three quarters of the anodizing off the frame with steel wool, and the slide is almost as bad. I am thinking of different options that I can do at home, since nobody in this part of the country seems to do anodizing. A gunsmith I know can sandblast and blue the slide, but hot dip bluing isn't especially durable. I've been doing research on paint. Black epoxy appliance paint looks promising, and I have heard some people get good results with some brands of high temp BBQ grill paint (Rustoleum is crap, Krylon is somewhat better). Duracoat, Gunkote, and Aluma-Hyde all seem to require equipment I don't have access to. Harbor Freight has Chinese black polymer powdercoat stuff in big plastic jugs, too, but I don't have the equipment, though people say you can just heat the parts up to 300 in an oven, pull them out, and dip them in the powder to coat them. That sounds kind of sketchy to me, but what do I know?
Once it is blasted use Brownells alumahyde 2 get the better nozzles and follow instructions or find someone to cerakote it.
Ah, but I have no sandblaster, no spray cabinet, and no spray guns. If it doesn't come in a rattle can it's not available to me. I am looking for alternatives to paying someone $300 to Duracoat a $200 gun.
Cerakote can be done at home pretty easy AFAIK and I think it may even come in a spray can so you might not even have to do what this guy did. Also, just buy a cheap toaster oven at Walmart (or a yard sale) for baking the finish unlike this retard baking paint in his kitchen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlqir8Bpd2A
How much flex is normal for polymer frames? Are they supposed to be rigid but malleable?
Is live ammo safe to put in an ultrasonic cleaner?
why would you want to put ammo in an ultrasonic cleaner as opposed to a vibratory cleaner with dry medium?
I currently have an ultrasonic. But if a dry clean is better I can go for that
don't most ultrasonic cleaners use a liquid medium? i would be worried that would mess up your rounds.
Never, under any circumstances put live ammo in a dry tumbler. It can and will break up the powder into a smaller size, leading to a faster burn rate.
You might be able to get away with pistol cartridges that already use fast burning powder, but don't tumble rifle rounds.
The ammo companies and government arsenals have been tumbling live ammo prior to packaging since brass cases were invented.
Safe? Yes. Recommended? No.
If the primers are sealed and the case mouth has a crimp, then the chances of water penetrating into the casing is very low. Generally, unsealed primer pockets is a no-go.
Is there a reason why you're putting ammo in an ultrasonic cleaner?
>Is there a reason why you're putting ammo in an ultrasonic cleaner?
Because I have an ultrasonic cleaner
why are the bullets green?
they are coated in green stuff
Powder coated lead to save on brass jackets? Looks cheap as fuck going by the box
They were cheap as fuck, says on the box that they're training rounds with less lead exposure but I can't even find the company online.
>anon buys cheap as fuck ammo
>"I can't even find the company online."
Because the bullets are not ripe, the manufacturer harvested them too early...
Hypothetically, if someone stocked up on nothing but MREs and similar rations for SHTF, what should they also stock to deal with the constipation or diarrhea this would cause? Like some kind of shelf-stable stool-softener/hardener?
Honestly I've had a lot, and I mean cases and cases and cases of MREs and I've never had digestive issues from them.
Really? I keep hearing it so often I assumed it was basically guaranteed if you ate them for more than one day in a row. Still, do you have any recommendations for a SHTF laxative? It's actually not for me, I got my dad a case of MREs as a fun thing for Father's day and it just got me thinking, like if anything does happen, that's probably where the family would met up so I've been riding the momentum to have at least some preparation ready.
lol, that's a meme. And equally common is the opposite meme, that they'll make you shit your guts out nonstop. Neither are true, but plenty of people parrot both of them.
Laxatives are risky for SHTF: if you don't have a lot of water on hand they can do more harm than good by dehydrating you. Laxatives are low on the priority list of meds to stock. Anti-diarrheals are far more important, diarrhea kills people.
>Laxatives are low on the priority list of meds to stock.
That depends on whether you have some health conditions. A relative of mine has nerve damage and partial paralysis of the bowels. Constipation can get impacted and send him to the emergency room if he doesn't eat a very high fiber diet and take stool softeners and prescription laxatives. But then, too, if you have that kind of health problem you probably already know about it and know what meds you need to manage it.
if there's a shtf scenario old yeller there is going to last as long as their latest prescription
>coroner's report: dookie death
Yes, of course, if the people involved have specific preexisting conditions then by all means pay attention to that. But I'm not psychic, nobody here mentioned anything about preexisting conditions, and therefore I can only speak generally. For the average person constipation is an extremely low risk.
Anyway, if your relative is dependent on laxatives to that degree then by all means stock up on them like you would any other prescription drug. But understand that water becomes even more important for that individual than it is for most people. And that's saying a lot. Laxative medications are brutal dehydrators, your relative taking them without being adequately hydrated could kill him even more easily than his bowel issues.
I have one friend that always takes nothing but first strike MREs on camping trips and is physically unable to shit. He tried olive oil, it didn't work. Last time he took stool softeners and he shit IIRC on day 3.
Not to say that goes for everyone.
>Still, do you have any recommendations for a SHTF laxative?
Caffeine and lots of water. Also. Just keep some enema bags and tubes on hand.
Don't go screwing with anything else
>Just keep some enema bags and tubes on hand.
A bit gross, but honestly a lot safer than messing with chemical laxatives.
Looking for an answer in exchange for the above topical shit story
quintessentially indian video
What gun goes with this stock?
I'm cleaning out my grandfathers place because he died of parkinssons and he always had a shitton of fudd wood-n-steel rifles but this doesn't seem like a fudd-type stock to me.
My best guess is polish PM-63 Rak
Does anyone know of a trick or a tool that makes it easier to clean the baffles of a suppressor? I had no idea these things get so filthy and are such a pain in the ass to clean after a day at the range.
Might be nice, not as expensive as I feared. Thanks Anon, have a Rally.
Paint can. Kerosene, maybe with a squirt of dishwashing liquid. Let the parts stand in it for a few days. Mind you, if you have the budget for Class III toys, you shouldn't be bitching about the price of a Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner. But soaking it in kerosene will at least soften the carbon fouling. If it's had .22 rimfire shot through it, you are likely to find lots of blobs of lead welded to the baffles from one end to the other. The lead at the base melts a bit under heat and pressure and a small amount detaches and ends up inside the can. People sell all manner of chemicals and gadgets that are claimed to make it e-z to remove it all, but after the carbon comes off, you're going to be digging it off with a screwdriver blade. Which is one reason why stainless steel baffles are better than aluminum.
Ultrasonic sink with simple green water 5050 mix or your favorite carbon buster. If you are going to own one serious gun cleaning tool the ultrasonic sink is the one to get. Can/ bcg etc drop in sink turn on rub one out to weeb porn real quick and presto all clean and ready to use again
That's a good starting point, but I would say only for steel components. If the can's outer shell, or any of the baffles, is aluminum, Simple Green and similar strongly alkaline cleaners have the potential to cause corrosion and pitting. Boiling water and dishwashing liquid--I use Palmolive because it's not strongly alkaline--are safer on aluminum.
I'm about to do some pest control on feral pigs on 40 acres, which is mostly bush but there's a field with a dam which is where I'm going to set up. Only thing is that I'll probably be shooting 50-80 meters away while the rifle is sighted in to 100 meters. Will the shot still be accurate? If not should I aim lower or use a .303 with iron sights? Also if I use a .303 should I use cheaper PPU ammo or more expensive Winchester ammo (same grain)?
The difference in trajectory between 50m and 100m for .303 is negligible. Use softpoints. the brand doesn't matter, but if you want to do this humanely you need softpoints. If you cast your own and handload, gas checked and powder coated cast bullets might do it. Supposedly wheelweights need 1600+ feet/sec to expand in soft tissue, linotype 2000+.
I was more worried about if I would hit it or not. I have winchester X powerpoints, I'm not going to cast my own bullets, that's too much. The guy at the gunshop told me that the bullets are a little overkill for pigs, I'm just wondering if a rifle sighted at 100m will shoot something accurately at 50 meters
I don't think you have anything to worry about there. My assumptions when I put in the figures to generate this table were: .303 British, sight axis 1.5" above bore axis, Mk. VIIz cordite propellant .303 ball ammunition, G8 ballistic coefficient 0.215, muzzle velocity 2440 ft/sec, zero distance 100 yards. I don't know the ballistic coefficient of the bullet Winchester loads in that hunting ammo but I doubt the difference in trajectory is significant, especially at the distances you're talking about. Zeroed at 100 yards, the bullet path is less than 1/4" above the sight line at 75 yards, less than 1/16" high at 50. I think you will be fine.
Need some advice on some gear, either of what types or specific brands or whatever to get. I don’t have a lot of money right now, though. I need a good compass and some basic medical supplies. I’m weary of those cheap linseatic compasses with how light and cheap they are. Don’t know how good those Soviet Bulgarian wrist compasses are either, and I can’t read cyrillic. Only medical supplies I’ve got are one of those old swedish army bandages and some basic stuff from around my house, like rubbing alcohol and some cheap gauze. What’re some good tourniquets that won’t break the bank?
Can someone identify this rifle?
looks like a bb gun
Yep Daisy 880. Might be one of the black stocked models. Could either be the zamak (zinc) receiver 880s or the plastic; near impossible to tell with this quality.
How do gun buyback programs work? I understand some police departments will pay $300 flat for any firearm the gangbangers bring them and don't ask them questions. But that's really stupid. What's stopping a responsible gun owner from bringing their .22 pistol they bought for $180 and profiting from the program? Wouldn't it make more sense to hire a firearms expert that could determine the real value of the gun? Sounds like these sorts of programs could easily be manipulated. Although I do support gun buyback programs ultimately because it takes guns out of gang banger neighborhoods, and it's a consensual transaction. They should offer money for ammunition as well IMO.
>What's stopping a responsible gun owner from bringing their .22 pistol they bought for $180 and profiting from the program?
Nothing. And people have done exactly that. People have ripped off buyback programs with pipe shottys, 3D printed guns, shoddily finished 80% receivers, and so on.
>Wouldn't it make more sense to hire a firearms expert that could determine the real value of the gun?
They just don't care.
because the aim isn't to provide a fair market value, nobody's buying the gun, the goal is to "get le guns off le streets" with a financial incentive for those turning guns in for destruction
I can't believe some PD's actually destroy them. If I ran the program I would just sell them wholesale to a FFL dealer. You still 'get the guns off the street' and now only someone with a clean background can buy them.
Most of them are stolen property. I've never heard of a stolen gun Rastus handed over during a "buyback" going back to its rightful owner. It may have happened somewhere, but I've never heard of it. They all go into the crusher immediately, always, no exceptions, and they don't even check ballistics or get sample fired cases first.
Even if it's stolen, why not send it to the ATF and issue new serial numbers to it?
Because that isn't getting le evil guns off le streets. Poor misunderstood Dayshawn over there would have gone to college and cured cancer if it hadn't been for that gun that jumped into his hand all by itself and bombarded his poor tender brain with evil gun mind control rays until he robbed a liquor store, executed the clerk, then raped a six-year-old girl on the way home. Deez guns, dey beez causin too many tragedies on de streeks, gnome sayin? Dat Constitution, dat beez fo dead honkeys, gnome sayin?
what's stopping the ATF from implementing a national gun license system right now and revoking the FFL of any gun store that doesn't comply? (genuine question)
The ATF is part of the executive branch of government, it has no power to create laws. It has in the past played dirty with how it chooses to define certain terms (Chevron deference) but that's really about all it's been able to get away with.
Furthermore, the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986--yeah, the same act which closed the machine gun registry--specifically prohibits the government from maintaining a database of gun ownership. It specifically states:
>No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established.
Tell it to Michigan, where you have to buy a permit to purchase the handgun, then register it, with the serial number and your address, within ten days of purchase or face felony charges. ("Nuh uh, it's not a registry! It's a safety inspection!" A safety inspection they do by mail, without actually examining the firearm, or even making any distinction between a functional firearm, a junker that's missing parts, and a stripped receiver.) Also, if you think your Form 4473s haven't all been put into a database that started on day 1 when Nixon created the ATF and they opened their first offices, your optimism may not be borne out by reality.
It'd be explicitly illegal if the database is electronically searchable due to a law congress passed some decades back.
>What if it wasn't searchable
That's what they already do with the 4473s they permanently store copies of on microfilm
Think this would work? It's got pretty decent case capacity.
some dude did black powder 5.56 and it worked, the question is WHY though
Because I don't know if it'll work, or how long it'll work for.
Plenty of people say you can't run semi-autos on BP, and I'd like to see if I could get it going and how long it would run for.
Also I already have everything I need for it, so I don't have a reason NOT to.
Back in the 80s some of the merry pranksters at Soldier of Fortune loaded up blackpowder .45 ACP and ran it through a MAC 10. It ran, though it clogged up with powder residue and started choking after just a couple of mags.
Yeah, how long do you think an AR will run with BP? 10 rounds? 20? 80?
How many is enough to say "it works"?
Not many. I'd expect the gas tube to clog up really, really quickly, though maybe not before the carbon getting piped back into the upper filled up the locking lug recesses and prevented the bolt from going into battery. Also, a milspec rifle-length AR upper is not guaranteed to cycle if pressure at the gas port drops between 12,000 PSI. Maybe a pistol length gas setup like they put on .300 Memeout guns would help a little, though I don't know how well it'd run with normal ammo.
That's the question, then. How long will it work?
I think tuned in it'll run pretty long.
>I'd expect the gas tube to clog up really
NTA but I wonder if running a smokeless round through the gun every mag or so would clear it out. That's what people do with the .22 conversions for ARs. Or so I hear.
i think any piston gun would probably work a lot better than an AR.
a bp 45acp 1911 ran for~30-40 rounds before stoppages started occurring iirc. My bp revolver can get 36 shots out before it gums up too much to be usable. If I had to bet, 5.56 due to being a gas operated arm would last shorter.
BE VARY FUKING WARY OF SQUIBS!!!!!!!!
I would say that's retarded but I'm intrigued.
Hmmmm, it looks like BP lube will be necessary. I have some 405 grain gas checked lead projectiles that have lube grooves I could fill, but those particular ones may foul the gas port with lead.
What is blackpowder lube, anyway? It seems like I read that they use a mixture of beeswax and lard on cast lead bullets to be loaded in cartridges with black powder.
I use a mix of tallow, beeswax, and a bit of vegetable oil. About 4:4:1. It mixes with the BP fouling and stops it from hardening. Makes cleaning hilariously easy in most cases.
Ah, okay. I've read that you can make your own homemade bullet lube for smokeless powder cartridges by mixing beeswax and white synthetic lithium grease 50-50 by weight and melting it in a double boiler. You probably won't want to use the pan to cook food afterwards.
Anyone have that picture of guys with balaclavas and aks out in the street doing some sketchy operation?
I'm having trouble coping and validating the thought of buying and carrying a 1911 because of muh capacity. What do to combat this feel
the magazines are pretty small, you could carry 4 extra mags on your person and now you have like 30 bullets. also you don't have to carry the 1911 every single day. change it out the next day with a 9mm or something.
In 2023 you don't buy a 1911 for SRS BZNS, any more than you buy a full-size .38 service revolver like a Model 10 for SRS BZNS. You buy it as a range toy. Magazine capacity is irrelevant in that context.
I know a cop who carried a 1911 in suburb in the bay area. He killed people with it too lol. Not a 2011 but a 7 round mag 1911.
How do you know he killed with it?
He is family and told us.
buy a 2011
2011s weigh like 4 pounds
Quit being a giant pussy and getting your opinions on firearms from zoomer internet hypebeasts
>t. someone who unironically carries a full size 1911 on a regular basis
You fucking normie brainlet peerpressured retard. go touch a 1911, you'll see why so many people carry them. They are fabulously slim and comfortable to grip.
i'm debating on whether buying a cheapshit $400 1911 or a cheap kimber 1911. what would you suggest for me as a new gun owner?
If you are talking about spending Kimber money, I suggest a Springfield instead, like one of the Milspec or Garrison models, depending on just how retro you want to go with it. Kimber has had some QC problems with their 1911s, Springfield not so many, especially recently.
If you guys could only own one pistol what would it be? Probably Beretta 92 for me, a railed variant
I would want to keep my ability to pocket carry.. so, something small and expensive.
Are some leftists actually serious about requiring gun insurance for gun owners? how would that even work? so like the guy that killed trayvon martin, would the insurance company be forced to payout to the parents? Would it become the insurance company's job to find out if a shooting was justified? That just sounds wacky to me.
>expecting leftists to be able to comprehend second-order effects and beyond
you should know better by now
It's not a bug. It's a feature.
When you consider that the entire motivation is to make firearms ownership and self-defense too expensive and too legally dangerous for the common folk, everything makes perfect sense. They aren't stupid. They're evil and insane, and they are burning up with uncontrollable hatred for the normies, the nation's founding stock, the nation's traditions, and the Constitution, but they aren't stupid, and they have thought the matter through. You don't really think they're reasoning from the premises they claim to be, do you?
I think that elite liberals think like this, but your retarded liberal ex-gf who wants to ban guns and her common leftist ilk want this because they are retarded.
That's the point.
>Require insurance to own a gun
>Create onerous regulations to ensure the insurance costs are huge
>Average Joe can't afford it
This is how they do the whole "we don't want to take away your guns" schtick. They do want to take away your guns, they just do it by constantly whittling away your ability to own them and if you complain they point to the fact you can technically still own one therefore you have no reason to complain.
Funnily enough, I've always heard leftoids complain about things like USCCA and whatever the NRA used to have as "murder insurance", but they ALSO want to mandate it?
>"Gosh! Hernan Cortez and the Conquistadors were pro-boat! They crossed the Atlantic in boats!"
>"But when they got to the New World and began the conquest, Cortez had his men burn the boats!"
>"I don't get it! Were the Conquistadors pro-boat, or anti-boat!"
The answer is that the boats were a tool. They used the boats when it was useful to use boats, and they left the boats behind when it was no longer useful. So it is with them. Nothing that comes out of their mouths is sincere. Everything is a tactic. They don't actually believe anything at all other than that they should have power over you. They contradict themselves happily all day every day and mock you for noticing. The truth is not in them. They lie. They don't care about insurance, or even about guns. They care about power and tricking you into giving it to them.
?? They didn't burn the boats, they dismantled them and transported them inland to attack Tenochtitlan
I got my tax refund and want to get a .45, I really like the Walther PPQ or the H&K. Thoughts?
I think you missed the wave. .45acp is already deemed an obsolete caliber now. the only thing in .45 you should own is a 1911 that you use at the range or as a camp gun.
If he is in Texas, it could be his Barbecue Gun, but only if it is nickel plated and extensively engraved, imitation pearl grips mandatory.
I'm a born contrarian, I'll ride that caliber right into the ground if I have to. I yearn for it I can't explain why. But hypothetically what are some interesting or up and comers?
Oh to be a Texan grilling and open carrying, I think ivory looks nicer
5.7, 22tcm / 22tcm9r, 30 super carry
There is 9mm and there is everything else. .40 is still widely available, mainly because there are still so many used cop guns in circulation that have been sold off as surplus. But really there is 9mm and there is everything else. It's the place where the lines cross, power vs controllability and capacity in firearms of reasonable size. It has a 100+ year head start on the current crop of flavor-of-the-week new calibers that were supposed to make it obsolete, and none of them does anything better than 9mm by sufficient margin to justify the time and expense of switching over, and that's even before we consider the rather long odds against, for example, .30 SC still existing at all in three or four years.
>but muh kevlar! muh 200m engagements with a pistol!
No. Rastus doesn't wear body armor. It's hot and uncomfortable and it costs money that he could have spent on big white rocks to smoke in his little glass pipe. And I am not familiar with any recent self-defense stories in which assailants kicked off the festivities by opening fire with rifles from an eighth of a mile, either. Not in CONUS, anyway. I won't discount the possibility that something like that could have happened in Shitholeistan fifteen or twenty years ago, though for us to know about it the guy with the pistol would have had to survive.
I shied away from .40 for that reason I feel like once the surplus goes away the ammo will go up or stop being made, I don't know what kind of demand exists for it outside police.
I do like 9mm but I'm pretty familiar with it and figured .45 would be fun
5.7 is a hip caliber that is recently gaining traction.
I disagree, as a 9mm fan I think .45 is a great option if you're in mag capped gaystates. There's value from a larger projectile transferring its kinetic energy on target, at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9.
9mm is more mainstream but .45 will always remain solely due to how many 1911s exist.
>There's value from a larger projectile transferring its kinetic energy on target, at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9.
>at the very least it will certainly be more likely to throw someone off balance as opposed to 9.
yeah, if the bullet ever reaches them. have you ever shot a target at a long range with a 45? you can literally see the bullet flying through the air. I don't think i would trust using that against a mass shooter. 45 is only effective in close range events.
Nah, when you live in a state that limits your mag capacity, .45 is great. I can only legally carry a 10 round magazine anyway so .45acp 10mm, and .357 are all nice to keep in mind.
What rifle was Kyle Rittenhouse carrying specifically?
Other than the Delta P Brevis, GSL Fatman, and YHM Fat Cat, what other short & squat (Fat chode) suppressors are out there?
I know there's gotta be SOME, please anons... Muh dubs even...
I am forgotten...
well 'non, I do not mean to forget you but the best advice I can offer is to make your own suppressor, ATF tongues my anus. An oil filter is short and fat
that could be useful for backyard training if you use a proper backstop. other than that I think it's silly.
it's also $5 compared to the $600 you might pay for a regular NFA suppressor
I bet the mafia or mexican cartel has use those during a hit before
Valid enough, thanks for at least responding anon.
I swear I saw something about a can recently that was from a company that's NOT Delta P, but is generally the same principal, and I got excited. I think the comments even mentioned other cans, but for the life of me, I can't fucking find it now, and my autism is consuming me.
I just had the boys over and we were shooting a crossbow in the back, that was pretty fun, though if I had anything vaguely "gun-shaped", I'm pretty sure they'd call the police immediately. They did when I shot a pair of squirrels with a pellet rifle, so alas, until I can buy some land, I'll keep chipping away at the archery target and be content with weekend trips to the range :/
what's a good charging handle for my ar? all I have is the standard one
aero breach is on sale right now, and it just werks. most aftermarket charging handles are pretty similar.
How do I differentiate between what should go in my buttpack and what goes in the backpack I might be ditching at a camp/dump site for a while? I have the general idea that it should be based on level of necessity and usefulness but I'm just looking for other peoples' input and how they set things up. I don't see myself always needing an E-tool but someone might have a good reason to keep it with my buttpack and shit.
Pack nice to have stuff snivvel gear bulk chow etc.
Buttpack oh fuck I'm going to die without this shit! Ammo first aid water way to purify water signal gear. Small amount of quick chow
So if I have a filter pump, that would be a buttpack thing? Also, by quick chow do you mean shit like power bars and smaller pre-packaged meals, like cans of stew or something?
I assume my esbit would be a creature comfort and thus a pack thing.
I gotta ask about the filter pump because those can be a bit bulky.
Not that guy but, power bars are good if they're calorie dense, some aren't. Inline filters with squeeze pouches pack down smaller but hey, use what you got. I would add one pair of good stout socks. It adds very little weight, helps muffle any noise gear makes bouncing around and you can never, and I mean NEVER, have enough clean socks.
Trust me, I'm well aware of the benefits of having socks handy. I have a Sawyer squeeze but I just trust a pump a bit more.
Are there any ballistic gelatin tests of the old 9mm 147gr Hydra-Shok? I know it was a really popular duty and carry load thirty years back, and it seems to be on sale from a few different vendors. I'd like to see figures for expansion and penetration, in both bare gelatin and gelatin with heavy clothing.
what would happen if someone shot me in the chest with a 22 WMR?
It would probably be bad for your health. You might want to see a doctor if something like that happened. Or, better, take steps to avoid the situation in the first place.
Is it legal for me to use these bad boys in self defense? How would the criminal react to it?
it would be like having a shotgun in your hand. very powerful.
It'd be cruel and unusual to kill someone with sprinkles of #9 birdshot out of a rifled barrel. Those loads can't even kill squirrels up close but the #4 ones are slightly better. I looked at them cause maybe there's a use case for hunting squirrels or something up close but pretty expensive need to look into people that handload em.
I think I had that same problem. Assumed I might as well put my target out to the 25yd fence barely getting on paper with a compact running cheapo ammo and then comparing the results to people's rifle groups with optics.
What's a decent way to get into gunsmithing just for a fun hobby because it would be amusing to do silly shit like build an AR in .30 carbine just to watch the confused looks on the faces of fudds at the range
not looking to become the next Browning, just think it would be fun to make weird shit.
Olympic used to sell .30 Carbine uppers and complete rifles. They closed their doors in 2017. I personally think it was their shitty plastic fantastic Whitney Wolverine copy .22 pistol that finally did them in. They'd been circling the drain for years.
I work at a gun shop. I was showing a gun to a guy. His buddy told him to "ghost the trigger." What does this mean? As far as I can tell, he was saying to dry fire it in kind of operator/cringe way.
It means that the trigger called him but he wouldn't pick up or answer the voicemail.
Sad, many such cases.
I think that's what he was talking about, but I've heard people use all manner of obscure, inaccurate or made up terminology at gun stores.
Find a source for really inexpensive guns that have issues. Gun stores that deal in used firearms for instance frequently receive a whole bunch at a time from an estate and a few aren't sellable, so they like to know people who tinker and dump the guns they don't want to deal with on them for cheap.
It would likely penetrate deep enough into your vitals to be imminently life threatening, you'd likely go into shock and die if not treated quickly.
Between the two, the cheap shit one. RIA is ok for the money, Kimber is not. Like the other Anon said if you are willing to spend Kimber money spend less than that on a Springfield which will be better. Their 1911s are genuinely pretty solid all round.
>go to a gun shop for a holster service or something
>having a conversation with the owner about gun stuff
>topic of "other firearms" comes up
>tell him about the build I did comes up
>his eyes go wide and he's like "you know it's illegal to build an other, you can't do it yourself"
>tell him he's wrong and stupid basically
>he tells me the ATF agent told him that you can't build others
>ask him what stripped lowers are transferred as
my 5am description doesn't do the situation justice but it was pretty bad. I was half sure the guy was gonna pick up the phone and report me to the ATF. why are some gun shop people so confidently retarded
I want to order some gloves from Mechanix and for Palm width i'm medium, but finger length small, which size should i take?
Go try them on at a store first
Does anybody else ever feel unsure of how honestly good/bad they shoot? I mostly shoot my subcompact and try to push out either range or speed from draw. I think I do pretty alright, and looking at average pistol shooters IRL around me I do much better than most. But online any target I post gets a barrage of people acting like it’s unsavable garbage tier shooting. But I rarely see people who give advice posting their targets, or it’s people with ultra full size competition guns, rarely people posting pics of carry gun targets. Maybe I suck, maybe I’m mid, I am just kind of mindfucked and wonder if others ever get that feel?
Ignore people online.
What's an "average pistol shooter?" Every time I go to a public range I am astounded and mindboggled by the level of rampant herp derpery I see from people who have guns in their hands. I see people talking on a cell phone while shooting one-handed. I saw a guy blasting away with a pistol in each hand, not getting on a two by four foot B27 silhouette at fifteen feet more than a third of the time. At ranges that rent guns, I see groups of people sharing the Deagle Brand Deagle "fiddy," and a brain cell, all the time. I see jaw-dropping idiotic behavior with guns, often from guys who say they're "veterans" when politely asked what the actual fuck they're doing. Are they "average?" They're the tiny fraction of 1% who chose to go to the range instead of buying the gun, loading it (or not), putting it in the sock drawer, and leaving it there until it's found and sold at the estate sale forty years later. And they may be neck and neck with the average cop for weapon skills. On the other hand, if I were to join the nearest indoor range's Wednesday night smallbore bullseye league, I already know I'd finish dead last, by a long, long way,
I suppose that's what makes me so unsure, I don't know what average shooting looks like. Last time I posted a target, it was a group about 8 inchs inside of a printer paper sheet target at 15 yards, using my actual carry subcompact, firing begining from draw without pause and then steady pace of shots. I thought pretty good myself, but lot of comments were making me think I was dong so badly to restart my entire technique from scratch, but then again a lot of comments didn't seem to realize 15 yards and 15 feet are different. I dunno. Would be nice if I could figure out some kind of acceptable metric. Internally, stuff like this eats at me
That'd be good enough to pass the Army pistol qual test, thirty for thirty, no misses, no do-overs, no alibis, and get "Expert" on the first try. Of course, pistol training and the associated standards in the Big Army have been a joke for a very, very long time.
Anybody experimented with brown/coyote dyed for UCP? My one experiment turned out way way too dark.
Ages ago someone posted some cool videos of a thing called "practical rifle" from 1980s England, does anyone have it?
I dont have it on my phone but just Google "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms". I've only seen volume 3 in the wild but it has sten blueprints, shitty semi auto pistols, a few shotguns, and several machine pistols
No it was a video of british practical shooting techniques, not how to build machine guns in your garage etc.
>british practical shooting techniques
Well thats like taking advice from a vegan on how to cook a good steak
Don't be a gay and just find a good video.
In 1980s the bongs actually still had a gun culture. The big bans came in late 80s.
I mean it sort of properly died after 97. Even though a *lot* of younger people are into shooting, or conceptually amenable to the idea of gun ownership (having been raised by MW2 and other FPS games) the UK has the problem of people:
A) Not knowing what is and isn't legal here
B) When searching to find out what is/isn't legal there's a load of shit from both Airsoft and Anti-Gun organisations that come up first which gives the impression nothing is legal
C) Boomers in the Shooting community are UBERfudds and actively try and disuade new people from getting into the sport.
D) They also hate technology and refuse to update their fucking 1990 websites leading to a massive gap in the market here.
I HATE LIVING IN THE UK I HATE LIVING IN THE UK
Can't wait to throw my fucking citizenship in the Boston Harbour.
Don't forget the law enforcement culture in the UK, which is full of hard-charging "super cops" who love to kick in doors, and love to make creative interpretations of the law in order to have a pretext to kick in doors, so long as whoever is inside doesn't have much melanin. Abdool and the boys pimping children in Rotherham didn't merit any attention for 20+ years, but the TV loicense raids never stopped. They WILL kick doors in over an "unloicensed" "illegal" air pistol that can barely make a hole in a paper target at twenty feet, when it's not even weapon and the only way to hurt someone with it is to use it as a bludgeon. So long as the door isn't on the local mosque, of course.
And we have maybe 40% of the population in the US who are also utterly brainwashed, utterly consumed with Stockholm Syndrome, who are not content to be beaten, robbed, raped, and murdered by Vibrantly Diverse Cultural Enrichers without ever lifting a hand or raising their voices, but want everybody else to have Stockholm Syndrome too. It's not just a handful of purple-haired weirdos in college towns any more, and it's not just a handful of NEETs using Twitter bots to make their numbers seem larger. Several significant demographics in the US are in competition to virtue-signal about how much they hate guns and "the cycle of violence," which is perpetuated whenever some huh-WITE! guy shoots back instead of lying down politely to die.
And yes, we have lots and lots of Boomer fudds here too, who are actively hostile not only to the idea that anyone under the age of sixty might own a firearm, but also to the idea that anyone anywhere might have any interest in owning a firearm designed after the Civil War. Gun clubs are full of them. They hate the idea of self-defense, too. "Dat's right, one shot, dat's all I need! Watchoo need all dem boolits fer, boy? If ya can't hit a durr with one boolit ya must just be stoopid!" I cannot wait for the Boomers to finish dying off.
The strange thing about the States is that it's perfectly possible and reasonable to feel blackpilled about the situation, but also incredibly optimistic, it's more so due to how polarised US politics are, it's hard to tell even with the slow march forward of gun rights, whether that will forever be the case will always be up in the air.
The US should however count its blessing compared to the UK, namely actually having a Constitution and Constitutional rights, the ease of entry into Firearms (with there being no permitting system in 42~ish states iirc), the current incarnation of SCOTUS being firmly Pro-2A and setting a strong precedent with Bruen, whether that ruling will be followed faithfully, if the 3rd, 4th and 7th circuit courts have shown will not, but will still eventually lead to SCOTUS nullifying AWBs and Mag bans at the very least, with the brace rule leading to SBRs being up for the bare minimum of debate too.
The younger generations from what I've seen are far more radical when it comes to the 2nd Amendment too, whilst the Anti-gunnery shills will never stop, never have I felt them feel so weak in the national discourse even with multiple shootings occurring recently you see more Brits sperging about them than Americans.
I just hope this wave of anti-fed sentiment in the right wing actually materialises into defunding Federal Agencies namely the ATF but unironically, implying they don't make up another Ruby Ridge or Waco the US is in a prime position for near pre-1934 levels of gun rights, it's just a matter of how long that's going to take.
The UK, however, has no such blessings, nor do I believe the will to gain further rights, let alone gun rights. The country is dead, and it's why I'm so convinced to leave, though Anarcho-Tyranny is slowly but surely entering the mainstream lexicon here with our parties being Blue Tie Blairite or Red Tie Blairite no one exactly has a rich amount of choice knowing it all leads to Tyranny.
Oh don't forget these
are the people who own guns or wish to own guns, the people who are anti-gun here have basically been fear-porned from birth to piss shit cry and cum if even prompted with the idea of self-defence or firearm ownership and cry "American!" in response, which I'd say is a solid 80-90% of the population.
Brits are honest to god the most pathetic people on this earth.
Would you consider an Opinel No. 6 a "common pocket knife"? Pic related.
Question background: I would like to conceal carry a knife and in Florida state law any common pocket knife under 4 inches can be concealed carry; however, "common pocket knife" actually means something that won't spook a cop or a jury.
Yeah it's fine, if it's an older model you'll want to notch the ring for a blade lock and do something about a pocket clip.
I just carry a RAT.
>Opinel No. 6
Yes, I'd say that's a "common pocket knife". I'm sure that is legal speak to exclude shit like switchblades, balisongs/butterfly knives, gravity knives, etc. But there's certainly no bad optics for an opinel, that's about as old school as it gets.
I've started getting pretty heavy pain in my trigger finger on my right hand, how can I tell between a potential sprain vs arthritic pain? It starts at the knuckle of the finger and goes up to the tip of the finger when I move my finger around, or do a trigger pull motion. Whilst it's not life ending, it's distracting enough to impact my day to day, it seems to have randomly started on either Tuesday or Wednesday. Anyone else had to deal with anything similar?
I had similar pain, turned out my pecs were tight and were compressing nerves. Physical therapist showed me how to do a Corner Pectoral Stretch and it fixed my pain and added 15% to my grip strength immediately. It’s kinda like how you can get lower back pain from your hamstrings being tight.
Huh, I'll look into that thanks Anon, also starting to realise PrepHole may have been the place to ask, just as I've been doing a bit of dry fire in the home and shooting a lot I thought it might be more related to that as it's only effecting my trigger finger.
I took a break for like two years, why is the catalogue all military and politics instead of firearms threads? This shit is like 4chan bit even gayer somehow.
Wait until you see what happened to PrepHole, apparently there was a massive ban wave on 4chan which would explain a lot.
Wow that's incredibly gay, thanks for the update.
ukraine happened and PrepHole attracted leftist shitflingers from reddit who get into shitflinging contest from the right wing shitflingers from 4chan crossposting here
How does .308 compare to .300 blk in terms of subsonics? Seems even more versatile at the cost of usual .308 downsides.
Just been thinking about it in something like a suppressed Tavor 7 with an optic and red dot setup, maybe one of them idf grip and bipod combos, would be a pretty do it all gun. Whole setup would be about $4k and 13 pounds loaded which isn't great but I've been eyeing it for when I have money again.
The gimmick with .300 Memeout is the cartridge fitting in an AR15 that has a super short gas system so that it can run both subsonics and normal ammo and cycle with both. .308 has much more capacity for powder, lots of versatility, but if you put .308 subsonic ammo in an M1A or HK91 with a can, you cannot reasonably expect the gun to cycle.
I forgot about cycling. I assume with an adjustable gas system plus suppressor you could make it cycle. I mentioned the tavor cause it has both cutoff and adverse gas settings that might be fun with subs.
>half of the board is still russo-ukies war
most of us in euro don't even give a fuck anymore, lmao
Are headquarter units in companies platoons static or are they moving and fighting with the rest if the unit?
Platoon leaders lead from the front. Company commanders sometimes lead the company in battle personally though I am not sure that's happened in an infantry company, at least in the US military, since Lew Millett in the Korean War. In US tank companies the company commander and his XO are commanding tanks of their own and in the line with everybody else. US Battalion commanders and command staff are not normally right up at the sharp end, but maybe a kilometer or two behind FEBA, where the mortars are, the motor pool, the battalion medical aid station, and so on. Brigade, regiment, and up are "management" positions. I believe Russian battalions maneuver like US companies and a tank battalion commander is in a tank like everybody else, just in a tank with a dozer blade and a bunch of extra radio antennas.
Company commanders leading units in the field is rare, but not unicorn rare. I’ve seen it happen a number of times in infantry units. In most cases I’d say it wasn’t strictly necessary for the mission but something the commander decided to do for the sake of it.
Outside of infantry units, other types of units can have company commanders occasionally lead in the field. My EOD unit’s CO would occasionally decide to take missions on a response team, if his schedule was cleared of admin duties. He’d do it literally because he hated admin stuff and wanted to actually do the job.
Kinda new here. Want to start getting accessories and shit for my AK but I have literally no idea what i'm doing. Like furniture, sights, lasers, lights and all that
But I'm a zoomie. It needs to be tacticool
Get whatever's popular then I guess. RS Regulate, Texas Weapon Systems, Midwest Industries, JMac Customs.
Dunno how available Zenitco etc is rn, so might be hard to get that kind of furniture/lasers/etc, so depending on how much you wanna spend, just get whatever hypebeast/influencer setup going and stick with it.
Eokek sight, Eokek OGL, Arisaka light, OSS can, that sort of thing.
What configuration is your AK currently?
For furniture, I recommend getting some decent wood. Not cheap crappy Century WASR wood, but actual thick hardwood with palm swells. AKs suck at heat management and the first place you'll notice is when you have either metal or insufficiency insulated plastic handguards. The bare minimum is thick polymer with a metal heat shield, if your lower handguard doesn't have at least that it needs to be replaced.
Upper handguard doesn't matter too much, just don't bother with anything with a rail or ultimak, they will get way too hot.
Grip doesn't matter.
Stock doesn't matter too much only if you get a folding or collapsing stock DO NOT CHEAP OUT. Get at least a wire folder with a metal trunnion. The cheap old Tapco stocks have plastic trunnions that mount to the receiver. You can literally snap them in half with your hands. Absolutely unsuitable for use. Folding stocks in general are less stable and comfortable, but they can make sense.
For optics there should be a dovetail mount on the left side, get a dovetail to picatinny adapter, or better yet an RS Regulate adapter mates to specifically what kind of optic you want to use. DO NOT get a cheap dust cover with a rail, it will be too loose to be useful.
Also DO shoot a lot with the irons, you're new and inexperienced. If you just beeline for optics from day 1 you will suck at shooting without them. They should be an aid, not a crutch.
For light, there aren't a lot of good places to mount lights on an AK because of all the heat, which can grenade batteries. I recommend not bothering with it. Laser don't bother at all.
I rattlecanned my ugly WASR plywood in a camo pattern with homemade stencils. I painted the inside of the handguard with silver spraypaint and added a homemade heatshield inside the handguard made out of aluminum foil. All it needs is ammo and decent mags. RIFLE IS FINE
If I wanted to put a light on an AK for home defense I would look into something like one of the Hogue forends that comes with rails and stick a pistol light on the bottom front of the handguard at 6:00. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
That WASR plywood is really bad, I've dealt with it enough to know that it's either cracked or going to crack/break at some point.
Besides Hogue, Magpul handguards have MLOK slots that work well enough for a light. You'd also need a VFG because the heat shielding is insufficient and eye surgery because Magpul AK furniture in general is beyond fugly.
On the whole though I agree that the best way to approach the AK is minimalist RIFLE IS FINE. My WASR just has a wire stock, wood handguards and a dovetail mounted red dot that I don't even use most of the time.
This is the current state of things.
I was thinking about getting a quad rail, but if all that isn't really necessary then would a wood handguard with a dong be recommended? Also what about muzzle brakes/compensator, if they're at all needed.
Ah, a Saiga.
That's actually a very good rifle, but the way it was converted for import makes things tricky because some of the fittings are non-standard. You can convert it over with the help of an AK builder, and that's a good idea down the road but it is also some money to do it right.
For now if that stock isn't too cheap and flimsy I'd leave it alone, the handguard I'd leave alone, really the only thing I can recommend is making use of the dovetail mount on the left side and getting some optics going.
Have you shot it yet? Like I said it's actually a very good Russian made rifle. They aren't getting any more common either.
Did the Russians ever export any that had any kind of proper finish on the metal, like parkerizing, instead of goopy sticky glossy black paint that was inside a drum behind People's Glorious Tractor Factory #37? When appliance epoxy paint in a spray can is better than what the gun came with... But at least the Russian paint softens, melts, and vanishes in an instant when touched with any solvent, so prepping the metal properly isn't difficult.
If you go with wood and still want a light, I've seen things like picrel before, though I can imagine they got hot as fuck.
As for muzzles, it seems to me brakes are a little more "acceptable" to put on AK's than how so many people complain about them on AR's, so I'd go for it myself personally (I actually did on mine). Depending if you're looking for suppressor QD or not, JMac makes a KeyMo brake that slips over the barrel some ways so you don't have AS much overhanging at the end of your barrel.
I'd love to get a suppressor but prices make me sick. And for sights, what should I go for there? I see a lot of people with holosuns and a lot of people talking shit about holosuns. Sorry for all the questions but my knowledge of firearms is obviously very limited lmao.
I'm probably the wrong guy to be asking there unfortunately, I keep irons on mine, though, if I had just bought another AK and felt like adding a dot, I'd probably keep the whole gun rather minimalist and try out one of those RMR mounts that replaces the rear sight. Maybe one with an integrated notch just incase the dot shatters since I'd be the type to put an SRO instead of an RMR only because I like the way it looks a little more mainly, kek.
I should mention I have a HoloSun on my Scorpion that I like a lot, but that's just a fun range plinker, maybe might try a steel challenge match or something one day, so I can't really speak to "durability" if you plan on using your AK for classes or anything like that for whatever reason.
I haven't noticed much flash from the JMac brake, though I imagine it is definitely more, but since my AK is a specifically-hypebeast-brand gun, I'm not overly concerned, especially since I can just slap a can on there if I'd like, and I haven't really had much experience without a brake on 7.62x39 AK's, but I know it's a lower-pressure round than, say, 5.56, so I wonder how much it's really helping anyways, you know?
I'm gonna unpin it eventually and shorten the barrel a bit anyways, but I think I'll keep the same brake on there since I like how it looks compared to a more "end-mounted" one or just shortening the barrel stupidly short, maintaining at least SOME length, while not really "showing it", if that makes sense. If it makes the brake less "pleasant" (it's not bad rn), I don't think I'd be too torn up about it, and, again, I could just put a can or blast cap thing on there. I like the AK for "fun" mostly, trying to learn to consistently bumpfire and that kind of thing, rather than a "le srs biznss" gun that I have eyy arrs for.
My WASR has a Tapco birdcage flash suppressor, the one that's a copy of the one for the RPK. It was cheap and I felt it needed something to mitigate the muzzle flash a lot more than it needed a reduction in recoil or muzzle climb. It works surprisingly well. It seems to reduce flash about as much as an A2 does on an AR, though I know that the powder in the cheap steelcase ammo that's made for export can be damn near anything and flash varies from batch to batch.
Mlok? Keymod? Does it matter?
mlok is just easier to find shit that attaches to it. there's not much inherently wrong with keymod (people will argue over which holds zero better and which is more secure) but its just a less common standard. also looks like PP :DDDDDDDDD
What are the specifics regarding mental illnesses and having your firearms rights surrendered? I ask this because almost 7 years ago when I was about 19 I spilled the beans to my therapist that I was in a bit of a crisis because of my financial situation and college, and they had me go stay for a week in the psychiatric unit in a local hospital. After that brief stint and many years of therapy and all, my heads on straight and I’m doing alright for myself. Recently there’s been a lot of shootings in my area and Id like to have a handgun of some sort for my own protection. Ive taken a defense class and know proper etiquette and safe storage. I believe I was voluntarily admitted to the hospital. If I were to file a 4473 would they reject me? I want to be safe but I still would rather follow the law.
Not a lawyer here, but I believe the specific thing BATF wants to know is whether it was an involuntary commitment. Whether such things are reported to NCIC varies state by state.
This is very important. "I believe I was voluntarily admitted." That is an odd way of phrasing it and you might want to call the hospital and ask about it and see whether they can give you a definite yes or no answer on that. Mind you, unless you've been in continuous contact with physicians there, like maybe a GP who rents an office at that hospital is the person your insurance company considers to be your "primary care physician," they may have destroyed the records and they might not be available even to you after that long. That doesn't mean they didn't report it to BATF at the time. Some states require hospitals to do that. Some states forbid hospitals from making such reports.
And no one can tell you what NCIC will say until you try. I hate to have to say something like this, and I'm sure you know better, but don't act stupid in a gun store. Don't act crazy. Don't raise your voice, don't shout, don't argue, and for fuck's sake don't show up visibly intoxicated, or smelling of dope. Also don't show up with a buddy and say something like "I'm gonna buy a gun, but I'm over my credit limit, my buddy can pay you with his credit card, right?" That screams "straw purchase" and maybe "BATF sting operation" and is a That Guy kind of thing to do. Don't be That Guy. Don't get banned from a gun store the first time you try to buy something.
Alright, cool. I still do my checkups with my GP at the hospital I stayed at, so I reckon I could ask to see the records of that stay.
Also thanks for the advice anon.
You're welcome. Good luck.
nah brother that's a war crime
those gas weapons are inhumane
a normal grenade is enough for war
if gas weapons are on the table, you have mustard gas
which was fucked really
Is this a good choice for a 22 rifle? I would like to go to a project appleseed event, and was told that I should buy a 22 rifle for cheaper ammo and to practice rifle fundamentals
>Is this a good choice for a 22 rifle?
It is possibly the best choice. If you don't like exactly how that is, there are aftermarket parts to make it into something that you will like.
It is an excellent choice. It is very popular and may be one of the more common .22 rifles in the US today. It's still in production. There are spare parts if you need them, though the guns generally run pretty well and parts breakage is very rare. There's also a big aftermarket, too. The stock irons on that model are mediocre, though. People typically shoot an Appleseed with either peep sights set up to mimic an off-the-rack M16A2--Tech-Sights are extremely popular--or optics of some kind. Though some people use the rifle with those sights. And at an Appleseed you may see anything from high-dollar European target diopter sights to red dots to any imaginable scope. Good sights are more important than collapsible M4 stocks grafted onto a .22 rifle, and a good trigger is equally important, maybe even more important. Some 10/22s come out of the box with a decent trigger. If yours doesn't, the BX trigger is an inexpensive upgrade and it's a Ruger part.
And since Appleseed is, essentially, when you get down to brass tacks, rimfire training for the kind of prewar style long-range highpower shooting from formalized positions, the kind they do at Camp Perry, you will want good sling swivels, and you will want a sling that mimics the prewar leather service rifle slings that are still so popular that several companies make copies. You'll be loading and shooting a semiauto rifle Garand style, so you'll need at least two mags. You start with one in the gun with two in it, you fire the two, you imagine the "PING," you reload with the other mag which has eight, and you do it this way for every string of ten.
Oh, and it's the 400 meter targets from the prone that make or break your scores when you shoot to qual. You might want to pay extra attention to the instructors for that bit.
Question about weapon lights: why do so many of them have strobe modes, high/low modes, and other distractions? In the event that I get awakened by the sound of breaking glass at 2am and I have to repel boarders, all I want the light to do is turn on or turn off. It would be preferable if it were as bright as practically possible, because they tell us that a bright light can disorient people and for a critical moment reduce their ability to do you harm. I want bright light to help me identify what I'm looking at in the moment where I need to decide whether I'm under lethal threat and have to engage, or whether it's a raccoon. I do not want a dim light. I do not want the light to start flashing in Morse Code. All I want is ON and OFF. Even the cheap no-name Chinese weapon lights have all this extra stuff that doesn't seem to serve any purpose. Is it for people larping with airsoft toys? Even some of the expensive stuff has this larper bullshit built in. What is the purpose?
The best I can figure is cargo culting, at least for the strobe. Police sometimes have strobe lights but those, at least in theory strobe at a particular frequency and brightness and only work with sustained exposure and are meant to disorient somebody to arrest them, as opposed to shooting them. A self defense light is not meant for that, but people copy what the “professionals” do.
As to all the brightness modes and shit I have to figure the thought process is: “more features = better”, and the Chinese makers of the lights spend the extra five cents to slap more features on the box.
In every military training context I ever had, normal on/off was always used because it’s best way to go. Every weaponlight I was issued only had on/off and only alternates were going to IR mode.
You can often disable the shit features in cheap Chinese lights and make them just be on/off lights without the garbage settings by physically altering them. Check YouTube for specific tutorials
To add, I recreationally airsoft these days for fun and yeah like every teenager slaps a strobe light onto their airsoft gun and that shit absolutely doesn’t work to stun when it’s some random cheap light. It’s dumb too because if you are pointing a strobe at a person you are also pointing your gun at them, so in airsoft I have been shot by people using strobes but I can not recall any occasion that the strobe actually contributed to it.
Again, with the specific use by cops usually they are working in groups, using high powered lights, and using the strobe on a person they have already identified (as opposed to searching for an opponent in the dark) for the express purpose of making them no resist while another officer cuffs them. Pretty much none of that is applicable to a self defense or dedicated combat light
One of the things that causes me some concern is that when I imagine the likely circumstances under which it would have to work properly, While I'm fingerfucking the light to try to get it out of strobe mode, do I get turned into a red stain on the wall? It seems like a distraction of the worst possible kind at the worst possible time.
What's a good sight paint product for painting a front iron sight?
Birchwood Casey makes a transparent orange lacquer they sell in a paint pen that you put on over a layer of white paint. I use it on a couple of pistols. It seems to work pretty well. With good bright white paint it looks almost fluorescent.
Nail polish also works well for sights. It comes in all sorts of crazy bright fluorescent colors.
Does anyone know where I might get grips that fit a Ruger P85 or P89? I hate the factory grips, which are cheap slippery greasy "General Electric Xenoy" plastic with decorative grooves that do not give any purchase on the gun. The Hogue fingergroove grips are fugly and don't fit my hand. I'd like to find something in micarta, with nice grippy coarse checkering. Is there anything like that out there? I'm only finding the Hogues, plus tacky "exotic hardwood" grips that
have carvings of bears and flaming skulls and cost as much as I have in the gun and have to be shipped from Turkey or Thailand. I have been looking for new old stock Pachmayrs and Uncle Mike's but am having no luck.
moron unless you're making mini-grenades out of 20mm HE like some Chechen fighter reject with dwarfism you're not packing 1/4 oz of explosives in a grenade
the explosion in this scenario isn't the main event, it serves only to scatter the payload
Can a pistol red dot be mounted on something like a PCC easily? I got an extra free RDS and trying to figure out if I should sell it or save it to put on a PCC (like a Ruger PC carbine or SW FPC).
Depends. Which red dot is it? And how will you be mounting to the PCC? The ruger pc carbine has a rmr plate that replaces the stock iron sights, which allows you to mount the red dot directly.
You could also just get a footprint to picatinny adapter.
Ah okay that’s what I was looking for. It’s an Ameriglo Haven. Walther sent it to me for free when I bought a PDP but I was planning to run a holosun on my PDP.
You can also get an rmr to picatinny adapter
I'm OOTL, what's the current situation on braces and sbr's
do what you want and shoot anyone who disagrees
BATFE decided to change their minds about all the stocks and braces they said were legal, all braces are now stocks, all "braced pistols" are now SBRs and possession of one that isn't registered is a felony. I believe a number of individuals and organizations are suing them over it. Maybe the courts will smack them down over it in twenty or thirty years as the cases work their way through the system, maybe not. I am not sanguine.
Out of curiosity for those who've been here longer than me, how often do the maf 8" tac chimes come back into stock?
Someone recommend some low profile J-frame grips for me? The Hogue monogrip is too chonky and I don't like the little dingus on the end of the Pachmayrs, but the G10 Bantams do nothing to absorb the recoil and even the downloaded "short barrel" .357 out of my 640 is like getting hit in the hand with a hammer on each shot
I'm not really a revolver guy but I hear nothing but praise for Badger boot grips and Eagle Secret Service grips. The only complaints are the price, and that not everyone finds them comfortable to shoot because they're so small and thin.
What is the easiest and or PrepHole preferred way to make a payment on gunbroker? Personal Check, USPS Money Order, Money Order, or Certified Check? I can't pay this dude in credit card lolz.
Personal check is easiest but some sellers won't accept them or will hold them for some amount of time to make sure they clear before they ship your goods.
USPS Money Order is pretty much the standard. It offers some protection for you as the buyer because if the seller scams you it's big boy mail fraud and the Postal inspectors do not fuck around.
Money orders and certified checks work the same way as a USPS money order in terms of hassle but there's less protection for you as the buyer.
The way it normally works is that if you pay by personal check it's normal for there to be a wait involved for the check to clear but sellers generally ship right away if you pay by money order or certified check. Also, when you mail your payment make sure you mail it with a tracking number. I normally use "priority mail" which has tracking built in. Or you can just pay for tracking. That way you know when the seller received your payment.
much appreciated, going w/ usps on monday
is 300 blackout too much of a meme cartridge?
I am on the fence between 308 and 300. Where I go shooting, I believe 308 will be too loud and obnoxious, and in the past I haven't enjoyed shooting shorter 308's.
My other reason for wanting 300 is the increased cost/decreased availability of it might finally persuade me to learn to reload with my father.
my father however, says 300 is a meme and if SHTF it will be 10000% useless compared to 308.
I don't see much reason to pay the price of a used car for a 308 though, as my dad has many in the safe and if SHTF I'll just borrow one of those.
I currently only have a 9mm pcc and a 380 atm so I'm looking for any rifle cartridge basically.
Can't get suppressors here, (but this might be changing soon, and if it did I would get a few)
if your dad has a bunch of 308s that you can access whenever you want then I don't really see the point in buying one. Get the .300.
>is 300 blackout too much of a meme cartridge?
Yes. There is only a point to it if you have a can. Running in a suppressed carbine that can also use normal supersonic ammo is its entire gimmick and the only thing that justifies its existence. If you don't have a can, it serves no purpose.
Does anyone know of a source for a recoil spring assembly for a Star 30PK? I just picked one up and one of the things I noticed when I fieldstripped it is that the recoil spring guide is damaged. It is peened, one end is scored and burred, and I think it may be bent just a little bit in the middle. I had a hell of a time getting the pistol back together after fieldstripping it. Sarco has complete top halves for $125, never used, that I could just drop on the frame, but if possible I'd like to use the current slide. The gun is cosmetically kind of sad, but locks up tightly and there is very little play between slide, frame, and barrel and the SA trigger is really, really nice. I was thinking of trying to refinish it. The mag that came with it is pretty clapped out and doesn't lock the slide open, but I found a source for mags and a set of replacement grip panels is coming too.
no guns question here.
Isn't it faster to shoot a pistol without aiming down the sights? In an actual emergency scenario, how are you going to find time to aim down the sights when an angry knife man is coming towards you?
you can get pretty quick with aiming down sights however you can also get pretty accurate with point shooting. I think what you do in a self-defense scenario against a knife wielding maniac depends entirely on how far away from you he is, if he's more than like 10yd from me I'll aim down the sights but if he's right there I'll just magdump
okay thanks, i guess the definition I was looking for was 'point shooting'. i'll look up more examples online later
If you wanted to know about "point shooting," there you go.
thanks I appreciate it. i've seen some old police video before and I think they are still educational
That is called "point shooting" and it is an obsolete technique. No serious competitor in IPSC, IDPA, or the Steel Challenge does that, at least nobody who places in competition. Front sight is love, front sight is life. One of the things you learn in training is getting muscle memory of finding the front sight quickly.
Self defense is a bit different. I learned a 5 position draw where as soon as the gun is clear of the holster it’s already oriented forward before it even starts getting up. So if you have to shoot it right then while the gun is still at your side in one hand, say if you are getting tackled, you can. The ideal is to get to position 5 with both hands on the gun, sights lined up but that’s not always going to be possible while defending yourself from physical attack. This is distinct from point shooting, where you are shooting at something that’s at some distance while not using your sights, and yes you are right that point shooting is outdated. Using the sights if you can get to them.
If I find a flree floating barrel ar15 system under $900 is that a steal or not?
that's a very vague question
if you're asking if you can find a free floating AR under $900, of course you can, probably about 90% of new production ARs are free floating. If you're just asking about the upper, or the free float handguard and gas block specifically, then you can get that stuff for like $3-500
it's a 5.56 safe .223 chamber
it's turkshit, but it is functional
I ordered a gun for my first time and it apparently the order got lost or canceled by the website. Believe it was Palmetto. Was it because I am supposed to contact the local FFL and make them aware of my incoming transfer? Money was refunded ultimately.
Typically when you buy a gun over the Internet, as part of the transaction you need to tell them about your local FFL dealer who's going to do the transfer. You would give Palmetto the FFL guy's information. Typically you put in your order and your payment information and hit confirm, then a form pops up on the page where you give them your local guy's info. Some Internet dealers even have a list pop up on the screen and you pick out the FFL holder you want to get it from, then when it arrives the FFL guy calls you up and tells you to come over and start the transfer process. You come over in person, fill out the forms, he does the NICS check, you pay him the transfer fee, you take the gun home. I have never bought a gun from Palmetto, but I can't imagine it's very different.
thanks. I don't know what the error was but it was probably on their end. kinda greatful it didn't go through because I think I would have regretted the purchase since it was turkish crap.
Were you going to get one of those "Black Aces Tacticl" magazine fed shotguns? I have to admit I really like the idea. They are suHispaniciously inexpensive, though, and I am hearing QC and function can be spotty.
that looks pretty cool but no it was a SDS bullpup 12ga with consistent reviews of reliability. I thought it was cool because I don't have the money for a real bullpup like a tavor or aug.
I haven't seen those before! Sorta reminds me of the Riot Shotgun from New Vegas in a way. Too bad it's Turkshit.
Why would a rifle advertise itself as 223 wylde?
Some people like the concept. It is supposedly a tight match chamber for .223 that doesn't compromise reliability in semiauto rifles and can still use 5.56 safely. That is the claim, anyway. It sounds good on paper.
so high quality 223 rounds? what's the point with that ultimately?
Ah, maybe I'm not communicating clearly. ".223 Wylde" is not the ammunition. It is the chamber dimensions of the rifle's barrel. It is a way they cut a .223/5.56mm chamber that they say is better for accuracy. Any .223 or 5.56mm ammo will fit in it.
The people making the barrels say it has every advantage and no disadvantages at all, and is always the best. That sounds too much like every other sales pitch I've ever heard in my life for me to buy into it uncritically. Maybe I'm just too cynical.
Thoughts on me owning this as a first firearm? And what you think about century arms stuff in general?
What do you intend to do with it? Pistol caliber carbines weren't a goofy and impractical idea in the 19th Century but they are now, unless you are just punching paper with it, or just thought it was neat. Do you know its country of origin? Century imports some cool stuff but if they built it, run away.
home defense gun, car gun that I can keep under the floormat or in the pocket behind the front seats, learning the internals of the AK (because I don't think I care to own a traditional AK). also I think I like pic related version better, magazine carries 35 rounds with a 11 inch barrel. generally I think it's neat too
Why the pistol caliber version, then? It brings nothing to the table in the present day. The full size rifle in the picture has all the weight, length, and bulk of a real centerfire rifle with a small fraction of the power. What does it do for you that the real thing in 7.62x39mm won't do better?
I can understand finding something neat. The short one might be fun with a "brace," if those were still a thing. I don't know how close the internals of a blowback pistol caliber gun are to a gas piston rifle, though. The fire control stuff is probably the same or at least pretty close. Not anything else, though.
the shortened version reminds me of a modernized german MP 40. reliability seems decent in youtube/comment reviews. price of rifle is very cheap like ~$500-600. 9mm is cheaper than 7.62. with the extra velocity provided by the 11in barrel I disagree and think it would put mostly anyone down with a 35round clip. to be honest I guess i'm trying to say i'm not ready for a rifle caliber yet so I want to bask in the middle.
Pistol cartridges objectively suck at stopping a determined attacker. https://youtu.be/pdjcYjSsIok The same gun in 7.62x39mm would be the same size and weight.
it kind of looks like shit and isn't very practical
no, because at one point those guns were $90 so it was whatever but now they're like $400 you're better off getting a modern cheap shit gun if you're dead set on being bubba
I agree I think the longer version is impractical.
If I wanted a bullpup 7.62x39, are there any worthwhile options other than bubba'd SKS?
Worthwhile? 15+ years back K-VAR sold bullpup AK kits. Century sold complete guns built into them, that had receivers and bolt carrier rails that weren't heat treated, and would self-destruct in a few hundred rounds. That is probably one of the things that killed them. Another is that the furniture was really low quality.
Forgot the picture.
Lel, that pic looks more cobbled together than the literal Bubba SKS here
Sounds to me like SKS butchery is the way to go.
I prefer my bullpups to have been built that way in the first place. I always thought the Bushmaster M17, or "Bushpup" as I always called them, was fascinating. The design was essentially sound, more or less. It's basically an Armalite 180 in an aluminum bullpup chassis. They were really finicky about magazines, and that thing on top that looks like a carry handle on top is an optics mount. The mount made of plastic and held on with two screws. The handguards were just aluminum extrusion with holes milled in them and had no heat shields. The trigger had a wire cable at the top that went back to the sear mechanism all the way back behind the magazine, and the trigger took two men and a boy to pull and felt like dragging an angry tomcat off a shingled roof by his tail. I think the design had potential and deserved more love. It isn't any dumber than Mossberg's plastic clamshell bullpup riot shotguns from the 1980s. I think the carry handle is even almost identical.
Can't say I have much experience with them. You could try tracking down some of the old stuff like those Norinco 86S' or see if the Stuff and Things BPK is any good. Other than that, maybe something a little out of the way like converting a K&M M17S to 7.62x39? I believe it uses more or less standard AR barrels, then just get a Unimag or similar, and you'd be 90% of the way there, just having to do something about the bolt... They SAY they're getting a 6.5 Grendel online, so that might semi-satisfy that, but other than mentioning those, I'm not really all that sure, they seem pretty rare.
Should I buy an SKS or Mosin to absolutely Bubba to shit? Should I rechamber them for a different cartridge? Can they be made bullpup for shits and giggles?
is saying, it'd be different if they were as cheap as they used to be, but if you're set on it, I'd say maybe an SKS because the aftermarket (IMO) is more fun/"wide". You can bullpup them (picrel), and I've heard of someone doing a 5.45 SKS if you really wanna go through that effort, plus, you can get conversions for AK mags (or just buy the actual Chink ones that have the AK mag feature "built-in"), or just the aftermarket big boy mags, whereas with a Mosin, my admittedly limited knowledge only makes me think of different stocks/"chassis" and goofy muzzles, could be wrong though.
Also, my carbine really exemplifies the shitty bolt thing Mosin's are known for, so that might get old after a while if you're planning on shooting it A LOT, unless you wanna do the voodoo and witchcraft I've heard people tell tales about to "fix" that, allegedly.