QBZ-191

So…it’s basically an AR with some minor mods, an AK-style trigger and furniture to mask its obvious AR heritage? I understand copying an AR, but what was wrong with the QBZ-95?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The QBZ95 was a 'good enough' rifle from its inception. It was designed to first be easy to mass produce for an army that was still armed with a ramshackle mix of reverse engineered AK and SKS derivatives, and be a good combat rifle second.
    It could be modernized, but eventually it just became more costly than it was worth to do so. The rifle never really made that much use out of its bullpup configuration in terms of cartridge power or anything of that sort either.

    The 191 is a mix of AK and an HK416, really.
    Some unique additions, but otherwise it is very much a 'standard 21st century assault carbine'.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >long stroke gas piston
    >AK trigger
    >rock and lock magazine
    >unique chink caliber
    >basically an AR
    ok

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ar buffer tube
      ar upper lower layout

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Basically an AK47

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's no buffer tube here

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The stock itself IS the buffer tube, more or less.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is definitely an AR derivative, more specifically the HK-416.it uses an AR-15 style bolt, buffer tube, buffer assembly, firing pin, and carrier. Piston is similar to that of a 416, short stroke, not long stroke. The patent for the QBZ-191 also specifically mentions both the AR-15 and HK-416.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly, it's intriguing. potentially best both worlds. i know i know we are not supposed to praise any chinkery but i want one

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The QBZ95 was a rush job, they forced it into service in time for the Hong Kong handover. Its fine for what it is, but its mediocre for something youd actually go to war with. Now that china has had time to reflect and is also facing heightened tensions in the SCS and around taiwan, its appropriate that they adopt something more suitable. Whether the 191 is more suitable or not remains to be seen, but that's the intent.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mediocre
      From a ergonomics standpoint it's a utter shitshow, and it's design is absolutely baffling considering the Chinese had multiple rifles to take inspiration from (FAMAS/SA80/AUG) and somehow they ended up with a shitty rifle whose sole redeeming quality is that it is reliable as frick.
      >best design
      A long stroke AUG/FAMAS with a removable barrel (great for the light machine gunners) and uses rifle grenades so the Chinese can spam fricktons of grenades.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >somehow they ended up with a shitty rifle whose sole redeeming quality is that it is reliable as frick
        Things haven't changed much. The 191 seems to be a mishmash of the worst features present in other globally mainstream platforms with a bunch of weird "Chinese characteristics" thrown in.
        Like their trigger pack for instance.
        Look at the thing and tell me it's not overcomplicated and underbuilt.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They fell for the low HOB meme

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its chinese and Im racist

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If they’re going to base an AR off the HK416 it’s not a bad choice.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    A shame they're replacing the QBZ-95. The A1 variant looked really cool, specially when it was riced up with rails and tacticool shit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I liked the look of the qbz903(I believe that was the name) the conventional layout AR that was circulating at the same time the qbz95 was but mainly for I believe border guards

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >but what was wrong with the QBZ-95?
    It was a bullpup.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 191 has so many immediately obvious faults it's unreal that anyone would bring it into mass service in modern day.
    It's fricking ridiculous and makes me mad as an engineer.
    China should have been able to build something better.
    >no dust cover, hole directly behind bolt allowing ingress directly into reciprocation path, in a country that is literally HALF windswept desert
    >anti rotation catch is a spring loaded lever that relies on a steel plate embedded in the upper to allow the bolt to rotate into battery.
    >if the spring loses tension (ALL SPRINGS DO THIS WITH USE) and the lever sticks down, the fricking bolt rotates out of battery and the gun jams immediately.
    >If sand enters the bolt track THROUGH THE GAPING HOLE and causes the lever to stick down the bolt rotates out of battery and the gun jams immediately.
    >For some reason charging handle path was determined to be a necessary location to seal.
    >charging handle is reciprocating, even though it's not attached to the bcg directly
    >COVER NEEDS TO RECIPROCATE NOW, FOR SOME STUPID FRICKING REASON.
    >LET'S MAKE THE STUPID CH PATH COVER RECIPROCATE INTO THE STOCK
    >FRICK NOW OUR STOCK NEEDS TO BE A WEIRD TRAPEZOID SHAPE TO TOLERATE THIS STUPID SLIDING COVER
    >let's make a two piece receiver set for easy disassembly.
    >no let's not make the split a straight line, let's make it have three distinct 90 degree angles so any slight variation in tolerance across our manufacturing run results in an obvious poor fit from front to back, exacerbating the gap between sections
    >FRICK WHY IS THIS HUGE UNSEALABLE GAP HERE BETWEEN THE RECIEVER HALVES WHAT THE FRICK
    >should we have a removable rear sight for optic clearance?
    >NO LETS INTEGRATE IT AND MAKE IT NON-FOLDING OR REMOVABLE SO ANY DMR VARIANTS NEED A TWO INCH RISER SO THE SCOPE EYEPIECE CAN CLEAR THIS STUPID FRICKING NUB ON TOP OF THE RECIEVER

    I CAN GO ON.
    I'VE GOT SO MUCH SHIT TO SAY ABOUT THIS TRASH.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I respect your pride about the art but you should be glad that the gun ends up jamming and saves the life of some not-a-fricking-commie

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The cartridge it fires (DP87) has a chamber pressure of only 41,000 PSI
    Source: https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/dbp87-5-8x42mm-chinas-high-velocity-caliber/248020

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      DPB87*

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      DP87 is old.
      DBP10 is the new cartridge rolled out along side the new carbine.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is it hotter? The cartridges they put in these always actually seemed decent, at least on paper.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It is probably the equivalent of M855A1.
          AKA, we cut the barrel down a lot and now have to increase the pressure to make up that performance loss.
          So I don't think it'll be some wunderpatrone, but should at least mimic the velocity of their current stuff at the muzzle.

          What I do think is that Chinese bullet design is probably decades behind the US's right now.
          So I doubt that DBP10 will mimic the lethality of M855A1 or the general EPR bullet design.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What was wrong wiht the QBZ-95?

    LOP probably. It's similar to the AUG and FAMAS (might be even longer), but Chinese people are on average shorter than Westerners, so having that LOP would be less comfortable for them. Especially since women (conscription) make up a more significant part of their military than most Western countries.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      China doesnt have conscription anon. They have 1.3bn people, they have enough just through raw volunteers

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to pay money for one of these and smuggle it into the country so I can reverse engineer and sell them the way China does to our IP

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    QBZ 03 looked cooler, and they wanted to ruin that, so they "modernized" it and adopted multicam.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When has it been confirmed this will be replacing the QBZ-95 series? People said the same thing when the QBZ-03 showed up and that never replaced it either.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      QBZ 03 was never meant to replace the 95, it was unironically intended as a stopgap for the QBZ 95 after it was already being mass produced. Appearently it was for troops previously armed with a Type 56 or Type 81 derivative so they wouldn't have to train with a completely new type of platform.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    warning long videos

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