Putin's Spring offensive

Can Russia even do it without the element of surprise + sactions + 100k men already injured/dead? Given that Russia has all the time it wanted to plan the failed initial invasion, it seems highly unlikely they've magically pulled together some kind of super army while under the thumb screws of international sanctions this past year. 500k mobiks can hold some fronts I guess but something like this?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, ukraine has more manpower because they hate russia and NATO will give them infinite funds and weapons
    russia already lost

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This tbh. Their logistical posture isn't very good and it's simply not going to be possible to replenish losses from scratch on the timescale of a few months with the weak economic base Russia has and the effects of sanctions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >infinite weapons
      >14 MBTs and 50 IFVs
      wow I bet Putin is shitting his pants

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I bet Putin is shitting his pants

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He should be, it only took 14 tanks to roll the entire Kherson front and those were shitty russian built mbts, not the western models they have now

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I bet Putin is shitting his pants
        Only if he falls down another flight of stairs again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or drinks a pint or two of shandy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or gets caught cheating at bingo, again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Remember what 16 rocket trucks did to the mighty Russian bear?
        Quality, not quantity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It'll ramp up as it needs to ad infinatum. The US isn't going to stop now that they have a genuine chance at permanently wrecking one of their only two geopolitical rivals. If Russia starts getting its shit together you can expect the taps to open and for America to vomit forth however many millions or billions of platforms are required to park a tank on top of every dead Russian soldier.

        Expect the same with China over Taiwan (Or alternatively just because) sometime in the next 10-50 years. The US can only bail out its World Protagonist status if they make it so that every single nation on Earth has no choice but to do business with the US. They're just heading the problem off at the pass.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >world protagonist
          new idea for PrepHoleanime just dropped
          it better not be shonen shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Allow me to explain, Ivan. If you somehow manage to get within 50 miles of Kyiv, alarm bells will ring all across NATO and all of a sudden it won't be 20 tanks, it'll be an entire brigade of Abrams which have been quietly getting upgrades for the past year, it'll be a batch of F-16s and F-15s that instantly outnumbers your entire air force while operating out of Polish airfields that you won't dare shoot at, and if it still wasn't enough, it'd be a repeat of our Yugoslavia intervention, complete with your nationalistic culture devolving into an eternal cope about the three jets you shot down before losing the war. It is unwinnable for Russia, because every victory scenario you have relies on NATO not doing anything more than they are doing at the moment - when in reality, we've barely even begun to lift a finger.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        It'll ramp up as it needs to ad infinatum. The US isn't going to stop now that they have a genuine chance at permanently wrecking one of their only two geopolitical rivals. If Russia starts getting its shit together you can expect the taps to open and for America to vomit forth however many millions or billions of platforms are required to park a tank on top of every dead Russian soldier.

        Expect the same with China over Taiwan (Or alternatively just because) sometime in the next 10-50 years. The US can only bail out its World Protagonist status if they make it so that every single nation on Earth has no choice but to do business with the US. They're just heading the problem off at the pass.

        , the take is correct.

        As the US, if your opponent wants to trip on its own dick and let you win WW3 by proxy without you losing a single American life or having 2 nuclear powers actually at war? You're gonna spend all the money you need to milk that as hard as you can, because why the fuck wouldn't you?

        If it pays off and Russia balkanizes again but harder this time, it's likely the nuclear armed remains of Russia will be economically weak enough to never seriously threaten the US again, but like North Korea will be strong and geopolitically surly enough to disincentivize China from ever invading. This would be a massive win for Pax Americana and as long as buying the above remains on the table, the US will happily keep doing so.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that image
          Any prediction about the balkanization of Russia that doesn't involve Japan getting Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands is a bad prediction.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying anyone is being truthful
        Both Britain and America are understating their real contributions by 10x. So it's actually 140 Challys and 500 Brads.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >le both sides....... le bad??????
          No, subhuman. It's just you, it's always been just you, trash.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reading is difficult, clearly

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kherson offensive only used 14 tanks

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The west is managing the pace of the conflict, and at every point they've been giving Ukraine exactly enough for a slow, forward grind in Ukraine's favor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody who knows anything (e.g. the people who predicted that Putin will attack and that it will go poorly for him) shares your optimism.
      All sane military officers in the west have been warning that Ukraine needs more weapons ASAP since March, but politicians have continued to be retarded.
      And the less said about the utter, mindboggling incompetence of French, Dutch and German intelligence services the better.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Can Russia even do it

      You can always count that Russia CAN throw hundreds of thousands of poorly armed and unmotivated men in human waves.

      Whether it will work is another matter.

      LMAO, nice vatnik cope tweet.

      Yeah, mobik cannongfodder without any element of surprise against a Ukrainian army that has only grown in strength ever since is going to jsut get a lot of russkies slaughtered if they try this shit.

      https://i.imgur.com/yQxrEVF.jpg

      Literally how? They have lost thousands of pieces of equipment and the core of their professional army, plus now Ukraine has the resources to effectively target any column or depot 80 miles behind enemy lines. The Russians don't even have enough missiles to conduct a sustained bombing campaign or enough artillery shells to level Bakhmut. They can't even outfit their mobiks correctly. How the fuck are they going to be able to pull of what they failed to achieve in 2022 in 2023 when everything is going worse for them? No element of surprise. Logistical capabilities are now more strained and vulnerable. Ukrainian anti-air capability has been buffed. Ukrainian-Belarusian border is now mined to shit. Pripet marshes make largescale mechanized maneuvers across the Ukrainian-Belarusian border borderline impossible. I really want to see Russia try to do it just so we can see their military get destroyed once and for all, but I highly doubt they could or would be willing to.

      Maybe they'll try to storm Suwalki gap instead from Belarus. Yell a shitload of nuke threats, hope NATO will not interfere (a long time wet fantasy of Russians), hope Baltics will give up and Putin will get some win to distract people from Ukraine loss.
      Same chance of this going to work as a second wave on Ukraine = 0, but Russian delusions are strong

      >lessons learned
      it doesn't matter that much, Russia lost a huge amount of its armored vehicles in that initial invasion. There is no fucking way they can replace losses from storage and field enough armor to push on all fronts. You cannot do a major offensive without armored vehicles, the fronts that devolve to WWI tier trench shit devolve precisely because there are no armored vehicles to devote to offensives.

      this is your mind on CNN

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CNN's femboy reporters have bigger balls than any orc propagandist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So true zizter! Russia is winning so hard that its soldiers can afford to take naps in broad daylight in the middle of an open field! I would like to see the xhoxhols try that!

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russia even do it

    You can always count that Russia CAN throw hundreds of thousands of poorly armed and unmotivated men in human waves.

    Whether it will work is another matter.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LMAO, nice vatnik cope tweet.

    Yeah, mobik cannongfodder without any element of surprise against a Ukrainian army that has only grown in strength ever since is going to jsut get a lot of russkies slaughtered if they try this shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >without any element of surprise
      That's where the western front comes into play

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need to draw more arrows to make it look professional

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This would be stage 2 positioning

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Eastside rollin 40s
              Every time I see it my fucking sides go higher than a T-90 turret

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >RU bombers will launch from Siberia, fly over Alaska, stopover in Denver, buzz the Freedom Tower in NYC, cross the pond, mock bomb the Bongs in London, do barrel rolls across EU to show of force, then drop their payload of 200'd mobik caskets onto Zelensky's mansion in Keef to force the surrender. It'll be like the Nagasaki and Hiroshima of the 21st century warfare. Then the bombers will take a victory tour across Russia, and land back at base in Siberia, to the greetings of hot young ballerinas and ice skaters for the hero pilots. Putin wakes up to the ugly mug of Shoigu, saying "mein monke..."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That sneaky Bulgarian fake support of NATO via Romania, into Ukraine, Odessa, turn arms after crossing at Kherson, move via Crimea to Russia then reinforce Donetsk, namely help Wagner take the eastern Sports center in Bakhmut

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You left out the dimensional portals that link all the towns named Pisky.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You fool, never mention the gate network on public sites!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're taking the piss, but still:
        I wish a moron would.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I shit you not a lot vatmorons do believe poland will invade Ukraine

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and a lot of mutts believe an average Pole wants nothing else but to join the meatgrinder to please them
          if we're talking delusions in general, nobody is on the level of mutts

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I do find it amusing that vatniks toss the pejorative 'mutt' around when the white Russian phenotype is on the verge of extinction and 80% of Russians now look like inbred mongoloids, no offense to actual Mongolians who are cool. Russia has zero white demographic future, especially with putin grinding them all into meat and Russian women leaving the country in droves to take the seed of superior westerners

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but muh russia
              mutts are mutts, the prime exporter of anti-european hatred, and it doesn't take a russian to write that

              Ah, just what they did with Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Germany, etc...

              yes, vassaldom and braindrain, destruction of sovereignty

              I agree, I wish we lived in rubble and shit like Russia and China, I hate comfortable living standards and actually having an income.

              >the only alternative to living under mutt boot is imagined squalor of China
              try to imagine Europe, but not a mutt vassal, if you can, it's that simple

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >try to imagine Europe, but not a mutt vassal, if you can, it's that simple
                I can, it looks like this

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't believe that this is the glory that Evropa missed out on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. Affordable housing. Green spaces. Public transport. Nearby markets and entertainment. Who needs all that when we could have endless suburbs?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol. Yeah, because America single handedly stopped all of that from happening and forcibly made the Europeans adopt single family homes without exception. I heard the average European has to drive through 4 hours of suburbs just to get to the nearest grocery store to buy food! 8 hours if they want to see a real tree! Oh God! The horror!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Affordable housing
                Where?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >baseless assertion
                ok mutt, sure makes me think your country is a good ally

                >and it doesn't take a russian to write that
                No, it just takes a retard, of which you are one.

                >r-retard!
                that's an ableist word mutt, off limits, you know that
                sorry for noticing your what your country is, I couldn't help it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that's an ableist word mutt, off limits, you know that
                >sorry for noticing your what your country is, I couldn't help it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and it doesn't take a russian to write that
                No, it just takes a retard, of which you are one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is a genius plan. Nobody will expect that. Not even I thought of that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >we'll march through Poland, they'll never see us coming!
          >*the whole force gets bombed into ash by combined NATO forces just 2km past the border*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Once Steiner counterattacks everything will be alright.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Take yer swing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish Poland would do a special military operation in Kaliningrad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sushko is a Ukrainian celebrity.
      And while he's definitely not a military officer and likely unaware of all information held by the generals of the armed forces, he's close to the action and has a good perspective.
      He might end up wrong, but his conclusion is correct based on the information most people have.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      While I don't think Russia trying this shit again would work, I don't get why people think Russia had the "element of surprise" a year ago.
      Russia accumulated soldiers at the border for months before they invaded. Tensions were extremely high because of that and Ukraine was expecting an invasion any given day. The invasion didn't happen out of the blue.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gee Boris, another offense during mud season?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Johnson's long gone. Sunak is the PM.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have to ask what mechanized force are they're going to use to transport these meatshields? Human wave attacks can only do so much unless they're going to use war horses.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      vatmorons transporting fake OSEC stamped cars arond the frontline, maybe they are baking some false flag

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean OSCE

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally how? They have lost thousands of pieces of equipment and the core of their professional army, plus now Ukraine has the resources to effectively target any column or depot 80 miles behind enemy lines. The Russians don't even have enough missiles to conduct a sustained bombing campaign or enough artillery shells to level Bakhmut. They can't even outfit their mobiks correctly. How the fuck are they going to be able to pull of what they failed to achieve in 2022 in 2023 when everything is going worse for them? No element of surprise. Logistical capabilities are now more strained and vulnerable. Ukrainian anti-air capability has been buffed. Ukrainian-Belarusian border is now mined to shit. Pripet marshes make largescale mechanized maneuvers across the Ukrainian-Belarusian border borderline impossible. I really want to see Russia try to do it just so we can see their military get destroyed once and for all, but I highly doubt they could or would be willing to.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they'll try to storm Suwalki gap instead from Belarus. Yell a shitload of nuke threats, hope NATO will not interfere (a long time wet fantasy of Russians), hope Baltics will give up and Putin will get some win to distract people from Ukraine loss.
      Same chance of this going to work as a second wave on Ukraine = 0, but Russian delusions are strong

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe they'll try to storm Suwalki gap instead from Belarus
        I wish a zigga would

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we need a distraction
        >*starts a war with NATO*
        Real talk, is your brain receiving enough oxygen?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally what Hilter did in December 1941. He also though that he's already at war with America because America was supplying Britain and the Soviets.
          What sounds retarded to you may not be as retarded to an autocrat who rules several years completely surrounded by sycophants.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Now imagine some bizarro retard world where hitler totally shits the bed trying to invade Poland which drags on for nearly a year with him losing ground. Do you think he invades France as well because yolo?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In December 1941 he was balls deep in USSR and it was just sinking in that Germany is there for a long haul.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's my point you fucking mong, this isn't at all comparable because putin has gained no victories to speak of. Shit this isn't even comparable to fucking up in Poland, it's more like him trying to seize what was left of czechaslovakia and failing miserably.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russians constantly claim NATO wouldn't defend the Baltics, fearing a nuclear war. So in their deluded thoughts they de facto wouldn't be starting a war with NATO.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >russia claims
            Russia claimed they'd be marching through Kiev in a week, but here we are.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also
            >muh nooks
            Has been threatened at literally every stage of this conflict yet nothing happens. You need to un-retardify yourself and learn russia makes these threats as theater for their own people. It's exactly the same shit as North Korea claiming they receive US food aid because America is scared of war on the peninsula.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Has been threatened at literally every stage of this conflict yet nothing happens.

              The problem is, average vatnik thinks that nook threats work.
              Worst of all, Kremlin spooks might also still believe it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kremlin spooks live to skim rubles off slush funds put aside to bribe Ukrainians to lay the groundwork for an invasion they assumed was never going to happen. Please stop imagining russia is some byzantine web of 5D chess plays, it's leadership is a bunch of people selected entirely based on how mediocre they are. They are complete fuckwits who fought a few very limited conflicts with a very limited military (kept mediocre for exactly the same reason) and thought they were hot shit again.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the point. The spooks are most likely on the level of typical braindead vatnik. Perhaps even worse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nuke threats work if you do them properly. Do a few open air nuke tests in Russia or the Pacific ocean, do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine), put all of your forces at highest readiness, send several messages to your troops stating that unless a prolonged deescalation is seen as well as official orders to stand down they are to launch on warning.

                THEN come on TV and state that the Baltic countries are reuniting with their motherland and nobody has anything to fear, except the Americans.

                That might work. That's what people were expecting when they thought of a Russian invasion. That's why people were scared of it.

                Just going "blyat cyka we will noooooook washingtooonnn all americanskis will die we will go to heaven blyat blyat" on evening television and changing nothing isn't a threat.

                https://i.imgur.com/YO8jgOq.jpg

                *farts*
                Akchully, Chud, Ruzzia is already losing the war. Haven't you been watching CNN? Russia is running out of money and their tanks suck, lmao. How the fukkk can these guys launch an offensive if they can't even shoot down our drones lmao???? DYEL? DYEL VATNIK???
                >shifts in chair
                >breathes deeply in nose
                dey are running out of munitions da CIA analyst said so. It's ogre, it's fookin ogre. Open societies with open border and globalization win mordor looses haven't they read harry potter? Bro it's over, oh ho ho ho. Chud.

                Would fuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nuke threats work if you do them properly.

                Even this retarded way work for many idiots in the West.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but scaring normie westerners only helps if it allows you to gain your objective conventionally. Russia has won quite a lot by preventing the donation of M1s or F-16s, but that doesn't help them if they're getting curbstomped by semi-competent resistance.

                It could have worked with the Baltic countries. They all had small militaries, honestly no match for even the 1st GTA, and all it would have taken was an official order from the US, UK and Poland to stand down and Russia would win. If you can intimidate NATO into standing down you can win conventionally whereas normally they would be destroyed conventionally. None of this would have anything to do with the western public.

                With Ukraine though it's like... you kinda have to either man up and use nukes or somehow invade conventionally in a way that works. Sitting around and going on about da nooks only delays reinforcements. NATO isn't going to nuke you over Lviv.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)

                Would be the quickest way for NATO to get involved and evaporate Russians in Ukraine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not necessarily. A single on a high trajectory, but headed towards Italy for instance, probably won't immediately result in a counterattack. The Russians could also deliberately leak that it's just a threat or even bet that NATO has compromised their communications and will know anyway.

                3-4 nukes on a high trajectory towards the CONUS though? As long as they're confident they're real tracks and real missiles (they would be), yeah immediate counterattack. But I don't think one on a non-threatening trajectory towards Europe would get that response.

                Except for the French though but tbh we don't know what the French would do on the best of days.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your basement nihilism has no bearing on the real world

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're a retard. Nobody is going to start a major nuclear exchange over one high altitude nuke.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, but that will guarantee massive sanctions and more support going Ukraine's way. There is no sane scenario where NATO or the West would let Russia get away with a midair detonation of a nuke anywhere near Europe without consequence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >one high altitude nuke.

                Bruh, if any nuke from Russia detonates over a NATO country even if it's 200 miles up it would be over for Russia. Not even the krauts could try to spin it as not a big deal.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any NATO involvement will mean at the end a new partition of Europe and a new Cold War, and nobody knows what these retards from Russia will try to do or if they'll get more support from China, that practically owns the country, a WWI war a like with an infinite front in all the Slavs countries seems likely.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That might work.
                Yes.
                Couple week later there would full scale counter force nuclear attack by US, you want big play you would get it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna be meta for a bit. One problem I have with PrepHole since February is that a lot of tourists have come in, and the war has really emboldened the anti-Russia-pro-US types. I'm not saying that Russia is right, but people here automatically side against them and with the US no matter what is said, to the point it's actually frustrating to post here about it. You get immediate dogmatic posts about the US's undeniable world hegemony, how they'd win any battle against anyone anywhere, no matter what. It's really annoying, we used to have in depth discussions about this on PrepHole before February.

                To be truthful, and again I'm not a shill, you have precisely no fucking idea how the US or NATO would react to that exact course of action. The concept of "let's start threatening nukes, but credibly this time :)" resulted in a completely uncontrollable clusterfuck back in 1962, and the USSR learned that. The idea is that by deliberately making things into a clusterfuck you can make the enemy blink first and extract incredible concessions. Even if Russia is losing conventionally, it can still try this.

                If you're unable to think of a hypothetical situation in which POTUS would go "hey maybe Latvia isn't that important, it's just a peacekeeping government", you should sit down and try.

                No, but that will guarantee massive sanctions and more support going Ukraine's way. There is no sane scenario where NATO or the West would let Russia get away with a midair detonation of a nuke anywhere near Europe without consequence.

                OK I believe I'm being misunderstood slightly and that's understandable since I didn't state it explicitly. I'm talking in part about Russia doing this (trying to take the Baltics) instead of taking Ukraine, and in part about them trying to do this TO take Ukraine. That's what I meant by "Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)".

                I also want to clear something up. You do know by "high altitude" I mean well into space, a detonation that would be useful for the beginning of a nuclear war (to cause an EMP, knock out HF radio and destroy power grids), not anything that would hurt anyone on the ground or damage any property, yes?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Backing down from a nuclear threat is basically the same as not reacting to Ukraine getting nuked. The West can't afford to back down because it creates an unstable geopolitical situation in the world where every country no longer sees nukes as a defensive deterrent but as an offensive tool.
                Backing down from nuclear threat means the world will be at nuclear war somewhere in the next 20 years anyway so you might as well react strongly now. Don't need to go full nuclear exchange immediately but step up the sanctions to full embargo and support Ukraine more heavily.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean well into space, a detonation that would be useful for the beginning of a nuclear war (to cause an EMP, knock out HF radio and destroy power grids)
                NTA, but this is 100% within the parameters that would justify a nuclear response and would unite the entire world against Russia.
                Destroying power grips doesn't just turn out the lights for a little while. Do it long enough and it also does things like take grandmother off life support at the hospital and dramatically increase the risk of transit-based deaths. An EMP attack is a nuclear attack, full stop. There's no getting around this.
                The world will respond. Not America, the world. Because no one is going to want to wonder "am I next?!". What's worse, it'll cause nuclear proliferation on an absolutely unprecedented scale, because now the stakes have changed from "no one nukes each other because it would destroy both parties" to "that guy could nuke me unprovoked, I'd better be ready!".
                This is the one option that might genuinely be worse than the poorly thought out invasion Russia actually decided on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you're unable to think of a hypothetical situation in which POTUS would go "hey maybe Latvia isn't that important, it's just a peacekeeping government", you should sit down and try.
                That is not about Latvia its about US. Russia has about 1500 warheads. If they use it for full counter value strike against US its maybe 100-200 millions dead. If US makes first counterforce strike Russia would be lucky to have 300 warheads left. That's 20-40 millions dead Americans. 200>40 by big margin. Fist strike against Russians saves hundred millions of Americans.
                Of course there maybe another scenarios when Russia does no strike then no dead Americans. But when Russia starts doing such things as launching nukes than hopes that there would be no nuclear war with Russia becomes nil.
                As Russian thugs (who taught Putin life lessons in Leningrad's backyards) like to say: strike first! Simple as/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hello bad faith "neutral party" who just happens to not want anyone to talk shit about Russia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah talk shit about Russia all you like. I hate them. But this retardation of "hurr the moment one rocket is launched anywhere on earth WW3 will begin, and america will win!" needs to stop. Even Oppenheimer wasn't that retarded.

                you dumb fags don't even realise that nobody believes your talking point about EMPs anymore huh? The EMP is smaller than the fireball, and the cameras filming the extensive atmospheric testing of the last century were generally unshielded against anything but visible light. This is the geopolitical equivalent of "So anyways, I started blastin' "

                Not talking about the warhead being used for its effects retard. Learn to read.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America will win nuclear war fro sure and if Russians want to flex nuclear muscles it becomes best course of action fast.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except it's not just anywhere but directly above NATO soil fucking retard. And what makes you think the russians can control the area the high-alt nuke would affect? Make your parents proud once in your life and grab a rope yourself already.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you dumb fags don't even realise that nobody believes your talking point about EMPs anymore huh? The EMP is smaller than the fireball, and the cameras filming the extensive atmospheric testing of the last century were generally unshielded against anything but visible light. This is the geopolitical equivalent of "So anyways, I started blastin' "

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you're unable to think of a hypothetical situation in which POTUS would go "hey maybe Latvia isn't that important, it's just a peacekeeping government", you should sit down and try

                The problem with this is that you'd basically dismantle NATO automatically if you did that. The entire reason for NATOs existence is mutual protection for ALL member states

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do a few open air nuke tests in Russia or the Pacific ocean
                This will get you supervillain status. It absolutely will have results, but it remains to be seen whether they're the ones you want or not.
                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)
                This will get you immediately clapped by the largest scale assault in history. bro you're launching a nuke at a different country.
                >put all of your forces at highest readiness, send several messages to your troops stating that unless a prolonged deescalation is seen as well as official orders to stand down they are to launch on warning.
                No, you're launching right now because the opponent is going to make your morning shit so radioactive that it glows in the dark.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nuke threats work if you do them properly
                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland
                Are you an actual retard? That's not a threat, that an actual attack of NATO members you fucking retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >another moron not understanding how nukes work or what a high altitude nuke detonation is
                Look, pretty colors. If you really object that hard to the "slightly over Poland" bit, that's fine, we can shift it perhaps 100 km back so it's in Belarus. Does that make you feel better, anon?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's in Belarus
                I'm sure Luka would love to have catastrophic power surges throughout his country, what a wonderful gift from his closest ally.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm that same anon, and honestly I could see Putin doing that. "Let's not aggravate NATO too much to start with, let's do it over Belarus" and then suddenly a power grid sounds like hi.

                >open air nuke tests in Russia or the Pacific ocean
                Aboveground nuke testing is internationally banned and everyone except Nork subhumans abide it, all of their """"allies"""" in asia would get even more fucked off with them if they did that and China are already laughing all the way to the bank at their expense
                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)
                That's a fucking EMP strike and will invoke at minimum total conventional annihilation from NATO assets in the baltics
                >put all of your forces at highest readiness
                Lmfao the useful forces are all meat ribbons in Ukraine and the rest are worthless drunk mobiks, also that kind of posturing is so overdone by the vatmorons that approximately 0 people would care.
                >send several messages to your troops stating that unless a prolonged deescalation is seen as well as official orders to stand down they are to launch on warning
                See latter sentence, they're the alcoholic retards who cried wolf and the whole world knows there is literally not a single word from a vatmoron you should ever trust.

                >i specifically outline a feasible plan for how the russians might decide to utilize brinksmanship to take the baltic countries or nuke ukraine
                >"above ground nuclear testing is banned!"
                Yes, so is using nuclear weapons against other countries. There's a theme here.

                >Lmfao the useful forces are all meat ribbons in Ukraine and the rest are worthless drunk mobiks
                You are the type of person that used to think Russia was a bit run down and would get wrecked in a war by the US, but was scared because they still had working nukes. Now you've seen how bad their army is, and you've overcorrected in your previous judgements to the point you're now at "we just need to kick in the door..."

                The Russian strategic nuclear forces are not a bunch of drunks or dead in Ukraine. They are manning missiles. They will launch when they're told to. To think otherwise without top secret US intelligence is fucking retarded even for PrepHole. Please hit yourself in the head until you're absolved of this belief.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Performing aboveground nuclear testing just to make a point that everybody's going to fucking ignore because doing it clearly shows you don't have the ringpiece to actually nuke is NOT brinksmanship. Just like a poker player revealing they're holding nothing but a two and jack shit before going all-in is NOT gamesmanship.
                It's just losing. Doing it just makes it clear he's a retard monke chimping (already known) and pisses off the few international connections he's desperately clinging to. Brinksmanship implies you're on the brink of victory or defeat, but it's just a defeat scenario.

                I have no doubt the Russoids are still capable of a great deal of destruction. But we're not talking about the Russoids as they are a worthless slave race who are incapable of making decisions. The only thing that matters is Putin, and it's been made absolutely clear to him that we know where he is at all times. If nooks start flying, he dies. He wants to not die, so he will not initiate a MAD scenario.

                I have no interest in 'kicking the door in' even if it were possible, kicking the door in implies I want to be in that house, and it's a crackhouse full of worthless subhuman ratniks. I want it to collapse under its own stinking and turn into a giant open-air reality show of warring ethnic states that the rest of the world can laugh at and exploit for all time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and it's been made absolutely clear to him that we know where he is at all times. If nooks start flying, he dies. He wants to not die, so he will not initiate a MAD scenario.
                You morons say this a lot.

                Please just explain how you'd reliably kill the dude. Using nukes is not an option, especially not against Moscow or similar city if he happens to be in a bunker there.

                Just tell me. How?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Reread the post retard
                >"If nooks start flying, he dies"
                I even mentioned MAD for fuck's sake
                If he fires off nooks, we fire nooks back, and Moscow turns into a slightly glowing crater.
                Doesn't matter if he goes to a bunker. We'll watch him as he goes, then we'll hit it with earth penetrating nukes (the US rates theirs to destroy their own Cheyenne Mountain complex, which as with everything else is surely leagues better than anything the ratniks have)

                I dare say a 70 year old who (allegedly) shits himself and falls down the stairs on the regular can't withstand even a near miss from saturation nuclear bombardment.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exact same concept applies to the POTUS and all members of the US government. Why do you think this is a brag?

                >then we'll hit it with earth penetrating nukes
                Specified no nukes. I'm not arguing about the ability of either side to kill the head of state of the other. If you want to act like the Russians don't have the capability to glass NORAD then I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

                >I dare say a 70 year old who (allegedly) shits himself and falls down the stairs on the regular can't withstand even a near miss from saturation nuclear bombardment.
                This is gonna make me sound like a vatnik since you've already concluded I am one, but doesn't this statement also apply to Biden?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Exact same concept applies to the POTUS and all members of the US government. Why do you think this is a brag?
                Can you fucking try to remember more than one post back.
                The vatmoron federation doesn't have a calculus around nuclear war like the West does, because the russians are a slave race completely subservient to an autocratic power structure and the number one priority of the autocrat at the top is staying alive.
                By ensuring his life is lost if he takes a course of action, you ensure that course of action is not taken.
                >doesn't this statement also apply to Biden?
                Yes but the entirety of the US power structure doesn't immediately devolve into gangs of warlords with their own PMC's all competing to "speedrun any% Devolve into Warring States Era" the instant Biden's heart stops beating.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pay Shoigu to kill him. Offer him some real rare wood species and he would do it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Using nukes is not an option, especially not against Moscow or similar city if he happens to be in a bunker there.

                A bunker doesn't provide invincibility. Not even the Cheyenne Mountain Complex can withstand a couple direct hits from the typical thermonuclear warhead. There is literally no place on earth that is secure enough to save someone from a direct nuclear blast, all that can save you is your enemy not knowing where you are. But any bunker that Putin could hide in is known to US intelligence and the US probably has a dozen or so SLBMs, equipped with 8 W88 warheads each, ear tagged to make sure any place Putin, or anybody who initiates nuclear against the US, hides gets wiped off of the map with everyone inside.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They will launch when they're told to
                you mean they will turn a key and press a button when told to. the problem for russia comes when nothing happens because they are not fueled, and do not have proper targeting relays. sober soldiers do not mean they are immune to the last 30 years of corruption and black market grifting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just do something that not only flagrantly violates international law but that will result in nuclear fallout from a malicious nuclear blast to rain down onto the whole European continent, thus conveniently giving NATO a fully justified reason to triggering article 5.
                You are actually a retard. Full stop.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what a high altitude nuke detonation is

                An outright, undeniable act of war against the nation in whose airspace you detonate it, that's what it is outside of vatmoron delusions.

                You EMP a NATO member, doesn't matter wether it's directly over them or just splash, you get Article 5'd. Deal with it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't matter wether it's directly over them or just splash, you get Article 5'd. Deal with it
                Yea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re absolutely retarded if you think EMP spill over wouldn’t result in article five and actions taken against the Russian nuclear arsenal in response to its use. Deterrence only goes so fucking far.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, we saw.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >open air nuke tests in Russia or the Pacific ocean
                Aboveground nuke testing is internationally banned and everyone except Nork subhumans abide it, all of their """"allies"""" in asia would get even more fucked off with them if they did that and China are already laughing all the way to the bank at their expense
                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)
                That's a fucking EMP strike and will invoke at minimum total conventional annihilation from NATO assets in the baltics
                >put all of your forces at highest readiness
                Lmfao the useful forces are all meat ribbons in Ukraine and the rest are worthless drunk mobiks, also that kind of posturing is so overdone by the vatmorons that approximately 0 people would care.
                >send several messages to your troops stating that unless a prolonged deescalation is seen as well as official orders to stand down they are to launch on warning
                See latter sentence, they're the alcoholic retards who cried wolf and the whole world knows there is literally not a single word from a vatmoron you should ever trust.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do a few open air nuke tests in Russia or the Pacific ocean
                Banned by international treaty. So, no.
                >do a high altitude nuke over Latvia/Poland (or Ukraine)
                A nuke is a nuke. Article 5 activates for Latvia/Poland. China nukes Russia in response for doing it over Ukraine (due to the Nuclear Umbrella Protection treaty - obviously they could back out but still, assume they honour it).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Baltic countries are reuniting with their motherland and nobody has anything to fear,
                and then the baltic militaries mobilize and proceed to winter war the clueless mobnik rape slaves being thrown over the border. Too close to nook-ook too and besides they think they can just march into there with no resistance so why monke nook-ook? Poles hesitant at first, seeing the successful resistance, begin military offensives on Kaliningrad and Suwalki relinking with the lithuanians

                Vatnik reee in the seethe of a thousand sneeds as they, once again, project thinking this is some american ploy ordering its "slaves" to fight glorious liberation. Meanwhile ukranians take the chance of the distracted and divided vatnik army on two fronts and start crunching away at it in the east, even recapturing donbawe, lughanda and crimea in the process.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Attack NATO with your Uganda-tier military and hope they don't fight back
                Great plan

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What did Uganda do to deserve that comparison?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why the fuck does the US still drop grain into Nork lmfao it's not even defensible on humanitarian grounds because those people aren't human

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Has been threatened at literally every stage of this conflict yet nothing happens
              >The risk of a new era of east-west confrontation triggered by Russia's invasion of Georgia heightened yesterday when Moscow reserved the right to launch a nuclear attack on Poland because it agreed to host US rockets as part of the Pentagon's missile shield.
              >2008, August
              >President Vladimir Putin threatened to point Russia's nuclear weapons at Ukraine yesterday if Kiev agreed to host the controversial US missile defence shield.
              >2008, March
              >Russia is weighing changes to its military doctrine that would allow for a “preventive” nuclear strike against its enemies — even those armed only with conventional weapons. The news comes just as American diplomats are trying to get Russia to cut down its nuclear stockpile, and put the squeeze on Iran’s suspect nuclear program - "We'll nuke aggressors first"
              >October, 2009
              >Russia threatens arms race and new nuclear warheads on Europe's borders
              >December, 2010
              >Russian FM Lavrov warned that Russia could resort to nuclear weapons if Ukraine tried to retake Crimea.
              >July, 2014
              > Russia was ready to put nuclear forces on alert over Crimea, Putin says
              >March, 2015
              >Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence shield
              >March, 2015
              > Putin boasts military might with animation of Florida nuke strike
              >March, 2018
              >Putin signals escalation as he puts Russia’s nuclear force on high alert
              >Feb, 2022
              >Putin said the Sarmat could overcome any missile defence system and would make those who threaten Russia “think twice” about doing so.
              >April, 2022
              >Angry Putin wields energy, nuclear threats against West
              >April, 2022
              >Russia pushes the panic button and raises risk of nuclear war
              >September, 2022
              >'I'm Not Bluffing': Vladimir Putin Warns The West He Is Willing To Use Nuclear Weapons
              >September, 2022

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russians, despite the last 12+ months, STILL view the West as weak and indecisive. I'm positive Putin and his inner circle unironically believe NATO will let Russia try and streamroll the Baltics because muh nooks

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You'd have to be terminally retarded to try this again. Russia lost this war in April when they failed their decapitation strike on Kiev. Up to that point they may have successfully negotiated for some minor concessions but that's it.

        Never mind, this one is actually worse.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As retarded as it would be, and believe me it's insanely retarded, Poland has not been just twiddling their thumbs. From what I know Poles have amassed a ton of troops there, so this attack would allow Russians to literally pincer themselves, a feat so monumentally dumb even they have yet to reach it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Suwalki gap

        I'm not even gonna try to reach this retard, but in case anyone didn't get the memo:

        The Suwałki Gap was a thing under the assumption of Kaliningrad and Belarus being packed with significant amount of Russian forces and area denial systems that shoot accurately.
        It's not a thing when there's barely anyone there, Russian missiles can't hit anything smaller than a power plant and Russian airforce barely functions. Then the area turns from "Suwałki gap" to "Kaliningrad speedbump".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian delusions are strong
        >proceeds to make up some retarded scenario

        So you're Russian?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's Japanese Empire-tier retarded.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Putin have been incredibly retard as of late.
          One of the most bizarre shit he have some recently was to tell a bunch of KIA soldiers mothers that it was alright for them to die because they died for a cause instead of drinking themselves to death or getting in a car crash.
          Just incredibly callous and stupid.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Suwalki gap
        Considering the events of the last two years, do you genuinely think Polans have done absolutely nothing at all to reinforce the fuck out of that area?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Too many vehicle losses
      Doesn't matter, we don't need vehicles to conduct an offensive, Comrade, Massed infantry hordes will do the job.
      >Not enough missiles/shells for offensives
      Not a problem comrade we simply just wont use them, logistically issues- not an issue if your only supplying foot bound infantry- 5 trucks with food and ammo will supply a Battalion for the whole campaign now, Soviet efficiency achieved.
      >mechanized operations through Pripyat marches
      Not an issue if your just marching and wading across swamps, Soviet Mobik hordes prove their value once again.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    As PrepHole bait this is weak, but I am fairly sure if you post it in /chug/ there will be some retards who actually believe it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will fall for literally anything.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Let's basically do the same thing again at the same time of year and see if it works

    This would be the top drooling retard thing to do, so of course they're gonna try it.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when people said that Russian would win the war with the 300 thousand concripts.
    Every few weeks/months there's a new something that will win the war for Russia.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *farts*
    Akchully, Chud, Ruzzia is already losing the war. Haven't you been watching CNN? Russia is running out of money and their tanks suck, lmao. How the fukkk can these guys launch an offensive if they can't even shoot down our drones lmao???? DYEL? DYEL VATNIK???
    >shifts in chair
    >breathes deeply in nose
    dey are running out of munitions da CIA analyst said so. It's ogre, it's fookin ogre. Open societies with open border and globalization win mordor looses haven't they read harry potter? Bro it's over, oh ho ho ho. Chud.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the strategic advantage of declaring victory conceptually?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is just a cope to keep domestic audience’s morale up.
        People don’t really get it, but putinism is very hollow as an ideology, it really is “Putin knows best, trust the plan”, hence why you see this revolving door of motivations for the invasion.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Putinism is just QAnon for products of fetal alcohol syndrome instead of incest
          >Verification not required

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seeing this, I wonder if they hire the same writers from Memri TV?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No because Memri is undeniably, unquantifiably, unaccountably based in every way and Pootin News Network is unwatchable cringe

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anybody got the webm of that scene? Seems hilarious.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn you got me. I will now post e-boi hentai in chug to own the globohomo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically Russia might be able to if they drag the conflict enough and the following conditions apply:
    >no direct NATO intervention.
    >RF can scale production of military material significantly.
    >RF can suppress anti war / anti government sentiment.

    Seems rather unlikely but not impossible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>no direct NATO intervention.
      That hasn't happened and they're already in dire straits. Go back to doing korkodil with your mom and shut the fuck up, pidorashka.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lessons learned
    it doesn't matter that much, Russia lost a huge amount of its armored vehicles in that initial invasion. There is no fucking way they can replace losses from storage and field enough armor to push on all fronts. You cannot do a major offensive without armored vehicles, the fronts that devolve to WWI tier trench shit devolve precisely because there are no armored vehicles to devote to offensives.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >without the element of surprise
    No, and Ukraine should have long lines of defenses to fall back. You don't win wars by throwing bodies at them anymore.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget that their air force and helicopter fleet is just a shadow of their former self.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These should be largely intact still. At some point soon they were just too scared of AA to use them much

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And you think they'd do better now when Ukraine uses NATO AD systems?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No
          I'm saying that, unlike their tanks, they still have most of their working jets and helicopters. They can't do much useful with them though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No
        I'm saying that, unlike their tanks, they still have most of their working jets and helicopters. They can't do much useful with them though.

        Okay... what the fuck does it matter then.
        In terms of battlefield impact there's no difference between "They're all fucked so they can't use them" and "They know the instant they enter enemy airspace they'll get fucked so they can't use them."

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Attack an unprepared enemy with some leftovers by sending your intact and supplied army into open fields
    >Fail
    >Attack a prepared enemy with western arms by sending unprepared mobiks into minefields and western artillery
    >???
    I hope they try. Jesus Christ

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spring? According to 4chan Aidsland already won.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes, I too remember the days when the 1st Guards Tank Army was a backwater, low tier unit sent to absorb casualties for the Russian elite forces.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russia even do it
    Russia could landlock Ukraine this summer and retake the loses from the last Ukrainian push maybe, yes they can wage the war a couple of years more, nobody knows if they'll try to siege Kiev again, Ukraine claim that they have 2M people more ready for the meatgrinder and Russia has 4 times the Ukrainian population and wants a 2M people army too.
    >Will this shitfest stops in 2023-24?
    Nope

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    VDV and 1st Guards Tank Army were 4th tier shit? Guess we're by now at, like, 9th tier shit being all that's left then.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Playing armchair general for a moment, wouldn't an attack from a single direction be better for them? A strong attack from the south on a wide front would bypass most of the donbass defence line and would have the open terrain for maneuver while also allowing them to overwhelm Ukrainian forces instead of letting them concentrate like we see in bakhmut. Attacking towards Kiev would run into the same issues they had at the start and considering how little the front line has moved in the east from the start of the war, I can't imagine it would be any more successful next time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with a push from the south is that it would have to be exclusively supplied from Crimea, which they have had problems with ever since the Kerch bridge got damaged. The south front is also a lot narrower than it appears because much of it is locked off by the Dnipro River.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if they try I don't see how this could become anything other than Bakhmut on a much grander scale. Russia might have more troops now, but they've lost thousands of vehicles, hundreds of planes/helicopters and used up thousands of missiles. If they attack along the entire frontline they might achieve a breakthrough or two, but considering how they needed tens of thousands of troops and horrendous casualties to capture just parts of the first Ukrainian line of defense in the Donbas I can't imagine them having much more luck if they try this on a larger scale

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just do it already.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Russia
    >Be Spring 2024
    >Third time's the charm....hopefully

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Igor sus

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >DUDE, Russia is running out of [gaslighting hypothetical x]
    >Their men are getting SLAUGHTERED [cherry picked clip Y]
    >Their country is COLLAPSING [cnn.mov]
    >It'll be over in...... [hypefags never say because they don't want to get btfo, lol]
    500k russians in half a year probably a million in a full year get rekt nafo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nafo
      Impressive how a bunch of trannies posting doge memes on Twitter have managed to conquer whole Russia's subconsciousness.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much only times I ever hear about NAFO is from Russians seething. I have no idea what it really is

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's literally like one discord and a couple of twitter accounts with cute pfp's of Doges in military gear
          A lot of the shit they put out is quite well produced so to the vatnik mind (who is incapable of being creative or productive) this must mean they are government funded, and that conspiracy has given them 1,000,000x the notoriety they would otherwise have.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NAFAGO chud cries in the discord
        NOOOOOOOO, NOT EAJY!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post Cherson

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Northern front
    No, because of beavers

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lose so many fucking tanks you can't form proper armored corps anymore
    >plug the gap with mobiks because ????? fuckit we have to do something
    >now you're going to launch assaults on three axis when you don't have enough armored forces to breakthrough on one
    I wish a bro would try this

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spring

    No, this is how it's going to go down:

    [...]

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poor little cum/chug/ger, he actually went and drank his own kool aid. Poor little fella.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Everyone knows Russia sent their 4th tier shit initially

    ignoring the gross anti-semitism that the rest of your post contains, just by glancing at the russian units that have been deployed since the start of the war and the visually confirmed equipment losses proves you wrong. as another anon has already pointed out, the 1st guards tank army has been involved since day one equipped with the t-80BVMs (which is next to the t-90M as russia's most modern tank) and was utterly destroyed and had to be reconstituted with fresh recruits. as well by looking at the verifiable kills on Oryx, the russian militarily has lost a higher % of its modern equipment compared to its older equipment; for example: it has been visually confirmed russia has lost 30% of its active BMP-3s while it has only lost 20% of its active BMP-2s. Same goes for tanks as more T-72B3s (again one of russia's most modern tanks) have been lost than T-62s or older T-72s variants. russia started this war out with its best equipment and got its shit pushed in.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lessons learned

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      russian officers realized they have to use lube when they "train" their conscripts otherwise they wear them out too fast.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No condoms, tho, that's gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey give them a break! The 40km long stalled convoy will only be 20km long this time!

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Singular attacks from all over different regions without a greater, cohesive direction and aim. for the second time within 12 months, against a prepared and stocked up opponent.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oryx is a useless source and it won't help Ukraine get soledar back.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i can disprove this with a single word, that will forever haunt the russian capacity to so anything but push ahead by meters a day.

    >Logistics

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO has no interest in ending the war. They want to give Ukraine just enough to bleed out Putin, and it doesn't matter how many Ukrainians it takes to neuter the Russian bear.

    Plus they don't have to travel to some second world shithole to fuck Ukrainian prostitutes. And the higher gas prices means higher kickbacks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NATO has no interest in ending the war.
      Stupid vatnik line. NATO clearly has an interest in seeing the war end sooner rather than later with Ukraine as the victory due to military, political, and economic reasons.
      >They want to give Ukraine just enough to bleed out Putin, and it doesn't matter how many Ukrainians it takes to neuter the Russian bear.
      It would be far quicker to neuter the paper bear known as russia by giving Ukraine what it needs to break out of the war of attrition it is in and swiftly defeat the russian army on the field. But NATO isn't going to give Ukraine ATACMS and hundreds of western MBTs because they can't instigate such a serious escalation so quickly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What has NATO given the Ukrainians that's not defensive? What military aid given thus far will allow Ukraine to go on the offensive?

        From NATO's perspective, what strategic aim makes more sense than seeing Russia's military and economy go down the toilet? How will a quick victory do a better job at that than doing a slow bleed? If you knock out the army quickly, the economy will be largely unaffected.

        Why would those in charge of NATO care about Hohol casualties or Klaus's heating bill? Putin has already taken the bait, keep him on the line until he tires himself out.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >defensive

          Oodles of AT weapons, light vees and artillery are hardly "defensive" unless you have less than zero clue about war.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What has NATO given the Ukrainians that's not defensive
          MBTs. Think the Bongs are sending Apaches too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NATO clearly has an interest in seeing the war end
        lol
        Europeans have an interest in war ending, or rather, the war never beggining
        mutts will prolong the war, then discard ukraine, leave it ruined and in debt, and simply move reorient the media machine to screeching about muh authoritarian chyna

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mutts will prolong the war, then discard ukraine, leave it ruined and in debt, and simply move reorient the media machine to screeching about muh authoritarian chyna

          Lol. Helping Ukraine destroy Russia in a war and then building Ukraine up as an economic and military powerhouse on the edge of a severely weakened and faltering Russian Federation is not only a prospect that the US foreign policy blob would love to do and is salivating at the thought of doing, it would be the crowning garden gnomeel of US foreign policy for this century. You're clearly a retard who has little to no understanding of geopolitics and the US's long-term goals for Eastern Europe. Even if Putin last through this war, the US has a vested interest in seeing him an his regime gone after they have proven themselves to be such a threat.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >US's long-term goals for Eastern Europe
            perpetual vassaldom and brain drain?
            they will arm us, then they will fleece us, and sabotage so as to ensure Europe remains in the 'not a player' camp

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, just what they did with Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Germany, etc...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You should know that literally every Russian post is a projection.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree, I wish we lived in rubble and shit like Russia and China, I hate comfortable living standards and actually having an income.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Europeans have an interest in war ending, or rather, the war never beggining
          But Russians starting wars in Europe can only be stopped by military destruction of Russia. Therefore Europe is interested in the Final War to end wars.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia hasn't started a single war in its entire history. But it has finished every single one.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              lying is the gravest sin
              you will burn in hell

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >finished every single one
              sure, running away counts as finishing a war

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, if you're an American.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Russia hasn't started a single war in its entire history
              Winter War lol
              >But it has finished every single one.
              Russo Japanese war and World War 1 lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Finns started the Winter War and got their asses kicked twice, and WW1 ended with status quo ante bellum.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ignores Russo-Japanese war
                Holy shit this guy is actually an FSB agent lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Remind me again who controls Sakhalin and Kuril? Oh wait, you're American. Probably don't even know what those are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sakhalin and Kuril?
                You mean those islands that Russia gained after World War 2 with Japan's surrender to America? Those islands?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The majority of Japanese casualties didn't even come from the fucking Russians, it was from sickness

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's 99% of wars, anon. Germ theory is relatively modern. Getting a buncha blokes all together in a camp somewhere was pretty difficult and casualty intensive.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cant believe it took centuries for people to realise not to put the latrine next to the drinking water.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chinese have known about germ theory for millennia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                of course they did

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ancient chinese is well known for its advanced knowledge but did that knowledge only circulating in the upper echelon of chinese societies or spread far and wide to normal chinese people?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and ancient Indians knew nuclear weapons.
                Somehow, both needed Dwight Mann to introduce them to indoor plumbing and antibiotics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh cool, we posting western fantasy fiction now?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >MARVEL MARVEL MARVEL STAR WARS STAR WARS STAR WARS
                Why do they always resort to this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the russo-japanese war
                >western fantasy fiction

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >russo-japanese war
                >western fantasy fiction
                (You) have explosed the Cope-O-Meter. Apologize!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Remind me again who controls Sakhalin and Kuril
                United states of America

                >The Strawberry Hills housing complex (also known as Zima) was built by the oil company Sakhalin Energy for the American and European oil workers who work here to make them feel at home.

                https://sforza-mcintosh.livejournal.com/1591934.html

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The usual 'beauties' of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk come into view just a few kilometres away from the unusual village.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that is what europe missed out on by not being conquered by russia. it make me so sad to think about all the lost opportunities, all the pot holes, drug abuse, and commieblocks that will never be

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cozy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >demanded land off the fins and they rejected as any nation would
                >"fins started the winter war"
                Unironically have a nice day already

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Russia hasn't started a single war in its entire history
              Livonian War.
              Smolensk War
              Anglo-Russian War
              Russo-Japanese War

              Could go on but cba.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those were the defensive wars. Russia was preemptively defending itself.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You know that the IIIrd Reich was also only defending itself, right? Literally each and every country has used this dumb line.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The last time Russia has won a 1 on 1 war against Poland was in the beginning of the 16th century.
              The last time Russian won ANY war against Poland was at the end of the 18th century, and they needed the Prussian Empire and Austrian Empire to achieve it, and even then they lost every single battle in which they themselves fought.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would the burgers abandon Ukraine when they could rebuild it into the poster child of western democracy and its benefits that they had hoped to make in Afghanistan?
          Nothing would crumble rival spheres of influence more easily than showing how much better off their members could be with the US

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            people like to talk about american failed states like iraq and afghanistan but they always seem to ignore the most successful ones like south korea, japan, and taiwan. The states that embraced capitalism and democracy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because these propaganda types know that if someone mentions these countries (ESPECIALLY JAPAN) their entire argument about "failed US foreign policy" disintegrates

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >South Korea
              >Japan
              Literally run by cults and gangsters, respectively.
              >Taiwan
              Not even a real country.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And somehow more prosperous than 85% of the world's nation.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Own laws.
                >Full control over their application
                >Own executive
                >Own foreign policy
                >Own navy
                >Own army
                >own airspace

                Even if it isn't an independent nation de jure due to Nixon being a traitor who should've been gelded and flayed on national tv while he was still alive, it is very much so de facto.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't know what you mean by abandon
            I expect them to do the usual 'loans for your
            sovereignty" play, Ukraine suffering consequences for decades, vassaldom and brain drain, amplified demographic issues, individual mutts getting in on the corruption
            Why would they 'rebuild' the country, when it's costly and difficult? Reward elites, pull wool over pleb eyes, extract what you can.

            also
            >western democracy
            no such thing, you mean oligarchy, same as everywhere else

            https://i.imgur.com/XhZkNuN.jpg

            >that's an ableist word mutt, off limits, you know that
            >sorry for noticing your what your country is, I couldn't help it

            I accept your concession

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >mutts will [...] discard ukraine
              >Don't know what you mean by abandon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, I don't know what he meant, so I gave my expectations
                care to say what your issue is, or are you just being a moron?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I accept your concession
              topkek
              you are actually a meme
              your seething only makes America stronger

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I expect them to do the usual 'loans for your
              >sovereignty" play, Ukraine suffering consequences for decades, vassaldom and brain drain, amplified demographic issues, individual mutts getting in on the corruption
              Did the US do this with Germany, Japan, Italy, France, South Korea, the UK?

              >Vassaldom
              Why do you rusmorons seem incapable of viewing relationships between nations as anything more than basically "I'm strong, you're weak" bullying?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Did the US do this with Germany, Japan, Italy, France, South Korea, the UK?

                Yes. Who is responsible for the entirety of the US space program? The heir ICBM program? Most military programs? The problem is history is written by the victors. The Germans made a comeback despite not because of soviet and American occupation. You indoctrinated them to destroy their country with morons and shitskins, central banking, climate hoaxes, total surveillance and indefinite occupation. The Russians at least left.

                > Why do you rusmorons seem incapable of viewing relationships between nations as anything more than basically "I'm strong, you're weak" bullying?

                Only the dumbest of fucks thinks it’s something else. Just look at the current situation with Ukraine. Europeans could keep getting cheap gas through northstream and enjoy low prices, good trade relations and resources from Russia. Instead the sanctioned Russia since 2014 because of the Americans, buy extremly expensive LNG from the US, buy useless American military technology for billions and drive their entire industry to resettle to the US because producing more than a fart is too expensive due to the massive increase in energy prices. America fuck Europeans in the ass, because they act in their own interest and don’t care about their vassals. Russia did the very same during the existence of the Soviet Union. Everyone got the shaft so Russia could pretend it’s that prosperous communist country rivaling actual western economies. It’s all bullshit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if we invade our neighbours, it means we are the victims

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the russoid cries in pain as he strikes you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't believe in anything you've posted. Why not just call anon a chud or something and save you the time? Who do you think you're fooling with this slop?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Who is responsible for the entirety of the US space program?
                The US taxpayer.
                >The Germans made a comeback despite not because of soviet and American occupation
                lol. Yeah, because East Germany and West Germany were basically clones of each other and followed the same development path.
                How the fuck do you retards develop such a twisted and malformed view of the world. The rest of your post is just the screeching of a basement dwelling incel.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Extremely expensive

                Highly managable, you mean.
                >Useless military technology
                That has been utterly clowning on you to the point every other MoD news briefing is cope about it.

                >US economically fucking Europe

                Clown world. The US has been maintaining trade agreements with the US that were explicitly biased AGAINST it for most of the cold war and the better part of this century. You know, so the powers that be don't ask too many questions about the spy programs and black sites their alphabet agencies are running in our backyard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >laughs in 5 eyes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *Meant agreements with the EU, though honestly all US allies apply

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I hate to bring it to you, but historically speaking in the last 70 years, becoming what essentially amounts to a US colony is about the greatest thing that could ever happen to a nation.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russia even do it without the element of surprise + sactions + 100k men already injured/dead?
    2023 Russia will have more men but as you pointed out, losing the element of surprise and losing all your modern tanks/IFVs is a pretty big downgrade.
    If Russia and Ukraine decide to re-try 2/24/22 it would go really badly for the Russians, the Ukrainians have a way better military now than they did at the start of the war despite losing lots of soldiers

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they color-code it with "Nato member" and "Former Soviet republic"? And why aren't Poland and Lithuania the latter?

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok so, what happens if cluster fuck 2.0 fails just like clusterfuck 1.0

    i seriously doubt russia has the resources to make two fuck ups of that magnitude

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i've been thoroughly following this war for at least 6 hours each day and you can't bullshit me into believing that russia still has offensive capabilites.

    moron.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Feb 2022
    >The invasion goes perfectly, and Ukraine is in Russian hands in three days
    >Zelensky and his government have fled to the UK, there's a minor insurgency, but nothing big
    Do Sweden and Finland still try to join NATO?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do Sweden and Finland still try to join NATO?
      Sweden is a maybe, but Finland definitely would not. If Russia actually obliterated Ukraine in 3 days, I'd wager that NATO would collapse long before Sweden or Finland would even consider joining the alliance. The invasion of Ukraine was a good idea on Russian paper, but all of the benefits entirely revolved around actually steam rolling through and blitzing the country.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia proving to be a powerful threat would collapse NATO rather than strengthening and expanding it

        not sure about that chief

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, because Russia has proven that it will invade neutral countries for resources. The threat for Finland and Sweden is Russian ambitions in the Arctic in the next century. Joining NATO was something they always put off in the hopes that Russia could be placated, but instead it turns out Russia is just an orc horde.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. 100%. Russia invaded. The fact they were successful doesn't change the fact that Finland - a nation not in a defensive alliance - could be next. Same with Sweden. Gotland is literally the lynchpin for taking the Baltic states and it has been infuriating USA/UK planners for decades. Because if Russia attacked Sweden and grabbed Gotland and then made it so difficult to take back, they could then easily take the Baltic's and make a NATO response so costly and difficult that many would argue 'don't bother'. Now that Sweden is in NATO, the sea is now NATO lake. The Baltic's can breathe a bit easier.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but with greater urgency.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No they can't.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know, lessons learned the guy is talking about are yet to manifest, there certainly will be fresh bodies, but their quality is dubious, and Ukraine would be ready

  42. 2 weeks ago
    This kills the Ukie

    >yubros

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Strelkov said the state of the russian military is like in 1917 before the kerensky offensive.
    But for me it's more remiscent of 1916's brusilov Offensive

    The Brusilov offensive (Russian: Бpycилoвcкий пpopыв Brusilovskiĭ proryv, literally: "Brusilov's breakthrough"), also known as the "June advance",[6] of June to September 1916 was the Russian Empire's greatest feat of arms during World War I, and among the most lethal offensives in world history. The historian Graydon Tunstall called the Brusilov offensive the worst crisis of World War I for Austria-Hungary and the Triple Entente's greatest victory, but it came at a tremendous loss of life.[7] The heavy casualties eliminated the offensive power of the Imperial Russian Army and contributed to Russia's collapse the next year.

    The offensive involved a major Russian attack against the armies of the Central Powers on the Eastern Front. Launched on 4 June 1916, it lasted until late September. It took place in eastern Galicia (present-day northwestern Ukraine), in the Lviv and Volyn Oblasts. The offensive is named after the commander in charge of the Southwestern Front of the Imperial Russian Army, General Aleksei Brusilov. The largest and most lethal offensive of the war, the effects of the Brusilov offensive were far-reaching. It relieved German pressure on French forces at Verdun, and helped to relieve the Austro-Hungarian pressure on the Italians. It inflicted irreparable losses on the Austro-Hungarian Army, and induced Romania to finally enter the war on the side of the Entente. The human and material losses on the Russian side also greatly contributed to the onset of the Russian Revolution the following year.[8]

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, Girkin is right. Brusilov was a shitshow but it despite the losses it showed that the russian army could still organize and coordinate itself and wage military campaigns with actual goals. Meanwhile, the current russian army was literally throwing mobiks with 2 weeks of training in meatgrinder offensives that literally wouldn't matter even if they somehow succeed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Meanwhile, the current russian army was literally throwing mobiks with 2 weeks of training in meatgrinder offensives that literally wouldn't matter even if they somehow succeed.
        Doesnt sound different to what was happening in 1916, there was no goals anymore, the soldiers were getting disgruntled, they used meatgrinder to achieve a deadly phyrric victory
        Girkin forgets that to be like 1917, Putin needs to be kicked out like the tsar and be replaced by a provisional goverment that is pretty likely to continue the war

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Doesnt sound different to what was happening in 1916
          The issue is not just it being costly or questionable goals, or its effects on public morale, but rather it is that, on a basic level, the russian army remained functional from an operational/logistics view point and could fundamentally do stuff.
          Meanwhile in 11th month of the long 3-days SMO the russian army seems to have barely functional logistics and there are at least 2 different warlord of questionable loyalty leading private armies of even more questionable usefulness as key parts of the russian forces there.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the russian army remained functional from an operational/logistics view point and could fundamentally do stuff.
            It was not actually, it was suffering the same problems it does today
            >there are at least 2 different warlord of questionable loyalty leading private armies of even more questionable usefulness as key parts of the russian forces there.
            Yes similar to what was ocurring in 1916-17, you had the duma and the ministry of defense or whatever was called back then killing each other and acting on their own, and the tsar could not act as an intermediary anymore

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing dead russhits makes me hard as a rock so i hope they start a new offensive. The only thing that makes me harder is vatnig seethe and cope replys, and boy are they masters of cope and sneeding.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    western civilisation summ up in one picture.....

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you say so

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      me on the right

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is amazing and hilarious how air superiority is no longer a factor in this war involving a superpower. Russia is a joke.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember Russia didn't actually plan an invasion, Putin sent the army into Ukraine to steal it in 3 days, he never thought they would have to fight the residents of Ukraine to take it.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >doing the exact fucking thing that failed last time but this time after a year of attrition to your best soldiers and equipment
    Brilliant

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was monke 6d chess. Those VDV, 1st Guards Army and other elite units were actually undercover HATO spies pretending to be russians. Putin geniusly sent them against the piggies to weed them out. Now the real russian super soldiers will attack the nazis with the same weapons that dealt with them the last time around

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find it hilarious how the winter offensive turned into the spring offensive and this retarded glavset cock wants people to take him seriously. You're the lowest form of human shit, vatnik.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia ill be doing the same retarded thing of wanting to push every front at once but this time they've learned of the mistakes from last time
    Looks like they haven't learned

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All Ukrainian forces are fighting in the south and are grinder down by endless waves of penal Bataillons storming their positions. Come spring the Ukraine will have suffered between 590.000 and 720.000 combat deaths, officially 0, and will have exhausted its capacity to supply more meat. Russia will brutally strike the capital this time, reducing it to rubble while NATO can just watch how all their planes of coup and control and all their work and money invested since 2014 just evaporate. Warsaw is next.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sanctions
    Sanctions haven't really done shit to russia, and this has always been the case post ww2. They were supposed to have run out of modern cruise missiles twice over by now according to most western "analysts/experts". They also have enough tanks, small arms, and artillery stocks left over from the cold war to arm 50 million men, literally. All they need is meat fodder, which they shown they draw from the dregs of their society willingly or otherwise.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sanctions have been working. They can't manufacture the advanced components they need in the numbers they need to keep up with the high intensity consumption rate of the war.

      While Russia will never "run out" of missiles in the literal sense, they have run into the situation where their strategic needs are heavily outpacing their production. They're no longer firing daily missile waves like they did in the opening weeks of the war, and they're no longer firing them in the sheer numbers they used to in each individual wave, either. We're also seeing a much larger mix of older, retrofitted, or less capable munitions being employed as sightings of Iskanders and Kalibrs become increasingly rare.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have had continuous military industrial manufacturing capacity throughout the sanctions, enough to outpace ukraine and western supplied munitions to ukraine, and they started with larger stocks than the west in the first place. The sanctions haven't really done shit, at most they've slowed the pace of the bombardments once a week to once every two weeks or month. They are not enough to stop russia.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia never had a large stock of Iskanders and Kalibrs to begin with. They're very recently developed weapons and they used up quite a few in Syria. Even the most optimistic production numbers we're getting out of them are a drop in the bucket compared to the consumption rates Russia was actually using them at in the early stages of the war.

          Most of what we are seeing right now is them expending their older cold war stockpiles like the Kh-22, retrofitting SAMs like the S-300, or purchasing kamikaze drones from Iran.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They were supposed to have run out of modern cruise missiles twice over by now according to most western "analysts/experts".
      But ran out of those, or otherwise they wouldn't wait several weeks to do another chimpout against civilians

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They've already used more modern cruise missiles than the entire US navy has in active and reserve stock and had the effect of killing thousands of people both civilian and military and shutting down massive swaths of infrastructure, and they still have enough manufacturing capacity to lob 30-70 more every month. If you want to beat them, you have to understand that sanctions and reserves alone do not beat a hardened wartime economy that has a massive amount of local resources.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And i also dont even see russians producing quantity of tanks, and armored vehicles either, It's either sanctions working, or somebody embezelling the gas money to buy a vila and preparing to flee when situation starts getting awful in Russia

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tanks, and armored vehicles
            That's because they haven't really needed to, they were already sitting on larger reserves than the entirety of NATO combined in both tanks and APCs. And to date their known losses in ukraine make up less than 5% of their total stocks. They are lower quality than western vehicles but russia has always had lower quality equipment and conformed to the zerg rush strategy, which historically has actually worked for them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And to date their known losses in ukraine make up less than 5% of their total stocks
              I don't believe poccian stats, i don't believe anything they said at all

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its also worth noting that a large majority of the tanks and vehicles counted are probably just rusted out husks with nothing left in them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The lower US estimates post cold war already put their stocks higher than all of NATO combined and it was known throughout the cold war that russia would zerg rush the west with a orc hoard of vehicles and missiles in a real war. This is why the US put a lot of development into anti-tank missiles and kept only a modest stock of advanced MBTs and APCs by comparison.

                They're already digging into their T-62 reserves, which indicates that their vehicle stocks are either much smaller than they have reported, or they are in a very poor condition and cannot be quickly reactivated to be combat ready.

                And either way, even if current losses are a small amount of their overall vehicle fleet, is disproportionately skewed towards their most sophisticated vehicles, BMP-3s, BTR-90s, T-72B3s, T-80s of all types, and even the T-90. And T-14 and Kurganets have yet to be seen at all.

                They've been dipping into the roughly 5,000-7,000 t-72s and 1,500-3,000 t-80s as well. Their known video counted losses in ukraine however make up less than 5% of their stocks using the lower estimates of their stocks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is why the US put a lot of development into anti-tank missiles and kept only a modest stock of advanced MBTs and APCs by comparison.
                This was just MIC telling congress poccia was a menace to keep getting money

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This was just MIC telling congress poccia was a menace to keep getting money
                Most US military spending is, also about of quarter of all US military spending is usually unable to be accounted for. Some of their spending did have grounds in reality however, US vietnam air losses were much higher than expected because of soviet anti-air missiles and defences, which were much cheaper to use than jet interceptors. Which led to US development of its own cheaper anti-air missile systems and MANPADs. Similarily, the move away from a massive orc hoard of MBTs and APCs in zerg rush tactics was because it was cheaper to develop light vehicle, drone, and personnel launched anti-tank missiles in a real war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >losses in ukraine however make up less than 5% of their stocks using the lower estimates of their stocks.

                Still once again much of these stocks have been rotting in a field for 40 years. A junkyard can claim they have a stock of 300 cars but how many of them are actually running?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Still once again much of these stocks have been rotting in a field for 40 years
                So are 2/3rds of all US MBTs. It just comes down to how easy or hard it is to maintain the vehicles and how good the PMC and storage conditions are and you can store some vehicles for literally 60 years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you can store some vehicles for literally 60 years.

                Oh you can *try* to store vehicles for that long. The reality of the situation is that anything thats been stored for even a moderate amount of time will more often than not need a complete overhaul to get to a functional level again. There are a lot of seals and gaskets and the like that essentially rot no matter how well its stored. You arent just going to start up a vehicle out of storage and drive it off the lot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No but you can get them up and running again in a matter of weeks or months and for a tiny fraction of the cost of building a new one. The US already does this when it sells 30-60 year old M60 MBTs, Abrams, and F-16s to other countries.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’d hate to be the mobnik in charge to try into get that shit working after years of rotting in a field exposed to rain cold and snow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Helps a lot when you have lot of dry desert where to store stuff

                Sure as long as you have the infrastructure in place to refit and replace whats needed and the vehicles were stored properly and well maintained while stored. All of these things the US has and does well. Russia on the other hand... Well lets say that they had the span of over a decade where the only thing that was done to keep their storage maintained was a lone guard posted with a chain link fence. They also arent storing them in ideal locations and most are in mud pits that freeze over.

                Yes, but it works.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >9 months ago
                >has an ad with raid shadow legends
                >evidence is pictures of piles of tanks on muddy land surrounded by chain link fences and obvious Russian propaganda footage
                Amazing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also hes just counting them by eye and assuming they can be put back into action. Its not about how many rusted out husks you have but how many replacement parts you have and how many personnel you have on tap to do the work. We already know that they are having issues keeping up with sending armor to the front.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's actually underselling the numbers and biased too much to the west IMO, but it's one of the more realistic estimates I've seen and actually goes off of satellite images of russian bases instead of sheets of paper posted online.

                tl:dw - low estimate of 2,500-3,000+ salvageable russian MBTs. Mostly t72s

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Also hes just counting them by eye and assuming they can be put back into action. Its not about how many rusted out husks you have but how many replacement parts you have and how many personnel you have on tap to do the work. We already know that they are having issues keeping up with sending armor to the front.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also hes just counting them by eye and assuming they can be put back into action. Its not about how many rusted out husks you have but how many replacement parts you have and how many personnel you have on tap to do the work. We already know that they are having issues keeping up with sending armor to the front.

                If you watched he estimated that less than half of those he counted would be able to be put back into action, some bases as low as 1/4th of the total tanks. Which is realistic. And even at that rate, there's still no less than 2,000 salvageable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So their system IS horribly flawed and most of their supposed tank legion is worthless?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every system is, and at the absolute lowest and worst case estimates there's enough that just from those in reserve it would tank an average loss rate of 5.4 tanks a day for a year straight to run out (counting *only* worst case salvageable reserve tanks). And no one knows right now if and how many they've been pulling from reserves yet.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well they’ve been certainly trying to beat that metric with their abysmal record with tanks in Ukraine, and considering the estimate on the number of tanks is based off of looking at pictures and guessing, given this is Russia and they’ve shown that the dumbest move is their favorite, I’m willing to beat their tank reserves at not that high.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are these estmates based on besides your ass? My absolute worst case estimate of salavagable vehiecles from what is essentially an open air graveyard is 0, your turn to prove that it's higher

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The dude in the video is counting tanks that are visible on active or reserve storage bases, they are not graveyards. And even in some US storage bases only about half of the total stored assets are salvagable, Davis-Monthan is one example which is both an active air base, a storage base adjacent to the air base, and a graveyard (non-salvagable) next to that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even in the US
                Oh here we go

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Half of DM's aircraft are completely useless other than scrap metal. I've seen it in person.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How many of those are commercial planes anon?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                About half of the half that are salvageable are either gen3 or logistic aircraft. The youngest gen4 jets are around 30-40 years old.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are retard that assumes US storage is perfect, even if you bumped billions of dollars into PMC and storage there is always a large chunk of stored vehicles that will never run again. Don't look up how much money the US military budget alots for maintenance for active and stored craft.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The very fact that I can look up just how much the US puts into maintenance and the fact that they properly store them rather than just park them in the tundra and pray along with the us actually keeping detailed numbers and statuses of their stored vehicles means a lot more than “this guys said it on YouTube “

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's 1/3rd to 1/2 of the total annual US military budget fyi. That is the part of the US annual military budget that is accounted for, the total spending is about 25% higher than the total accounts received (ie a fourth of the annual tax payer funded US military budget disappears, is off the books, or otherwise not known where it is sent). Of the udget that is accounted for, 1/3rd to 1/2 is maintenance in general.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s pretty good, the fact that we spend so much on maintenance, not the obvious black-book projects void

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's really not for a modern military focused on global dominance, it's fat not getting trimmed in the long run.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >maintenance is bad
                >for a country not at war
                >that has been dominating the world CULTURALLY
                >that has no plans to do so
                >that mainly uses is navy right now to project its power protecting trade routes
                >during an argument that has shown that maintenance would have incredibly helpful
                Ok

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn’t the very fact that all of the stores, well maintained equipment being set to Ukraine completely shit all over you point?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you've followed anything I've said, real war is ultimately a numbers game. And the numbers they've lost vs the numbers they realistically have mean ukraine has only scratched the surface and skimmed off the top of russias military. If the west really wanted to help BTFO russia for good in ukraine they'd send something like several thousand cruise missiles and a few hundred armored vehicles with several thousand more anti-tank, anti-air missiles, and a couple hundred anti-ship missiles. Similarly if russia wanted to actually take half of ukraine they would've mobilized much more than the yhave now and gone the ww2 zerg rush route with millions rather than hundreds of thousands of troops.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol yes I’m sure Russia was just pretending to be retarded and scare off 1 million military age citizens and kill/ permanently wound nearly another million, I’m sure now they’ll pull of the gloves and Ukraine will know

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Similarly if russia wanted to actually take half of ukraine they would've mobilized much more than the yhave now and gone the ww2 zerg rush route with millions rather than hundreds of thousands of troops.

                They didnt because they cant you genius. They were also told that they had enough on hand because they werent expecting an actual fight.

                Even their half ass invasion US minimum estimates put ukraine total casualties equal to russian ones right now, about 100k total each including non-combantants. On top of 5-6 million ukrainians fleeing the country. The supposed spring offensive with ~500k supposed troops would honestly just be a minimum just to maintain the quarter of ukraine they are contesting or already have.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >100k
                You mean that misquote that was later changed?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is he a liar?

                You sound like one of those deranged assholes attached mouth to dick to gonzalo fucking lira.

                >You sound like one of those deranged assholes attached mouth to dick to gonzalo fucking lira.

                Have no idea what that means Europoor. I am a veteran of the US military, so I guess you should be drinking my semen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How is this not revant to the

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they admitted it was wrong?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why does the Ukraine not release the numbers of KIA?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they’d be retarded to and damage morale?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because they’d be retarded to and damage morale?

                At what point will it be ok to admit that too many family formation aged males have died? I want the Ukrainian people to thrive in the future, not be decimated by a stupid war over soil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When Russia stops attacking them in a war of aggression? You act like Ukraine is having them killed on purpose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont bother responding to the schizo. He will just go ona triade about how ukraine should have just surrendered without a fight because nazis or whatever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I, as a US military veteran. Would not defend this country if we were attacked by China or Mexico. As long as I can go to mass, and my life doesn't change much, and gay shit is not in public school which I am forced to send my kids to, I don't give a fuck.

                Why should I fight for an economic zone? Being American is a meaningless idea. Everyone is America, so no one is.

                >a historically Russian territory

                So they should get Alaska back?

                No, Alaska was purchased by the US fair and square. Crimea was part of the Ukraine because of bureaucratic nonsense, slavic snow moron communist shit. Before that, Crimea was Russia clay and that is represented by the people there. Then again, what do I know. I wouldn't life a finger if Hispanics tried to take back Texas, my home state. Wtf should I care?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is always a peaceful solution. You might not like it, it might come at the cost of pride. but many nations in the past of done it. Like the king of Denmark in WWII. The Ukraine and Russia need to negotiate peace.

                >But pride, nationalism, democracy, freedom, US cargo cult, the west blah.

                Real easy to speak of such nonsense virtues when you are not on the front. You really think Russia is going to give up a warm water port? Their is a peaceful solution to this, that involves letting Russia have Crimea, a historically Russian territory and giving them fresh water access. Ya, it might hurt your stupid ideology, But I care more about the future of the white race, not stupid secular ideology.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a historically Russian territory

                So they should get Alaska back?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How many wars were fought over Alaska? At least 7 have been fought over crimea in the last 1,000 years, russia was in all of them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I, as a US military veteran. Would not defend this country if we were attacked by China or Mexico. As long as I can go to mass, and my life doesn't change much, and gay shit is not in public school which I am forced to send my kids to, I don't give a fuck.

                Why should I fight for an economic zone? Being American is a meaningless idea. Everyone is America, so no one is.

                [...]
                No, Alaska was purchased by the US fair and square. Crimea was part of the Ukraine because of bureaucratic nonsense, slavic snow moron communist shit. Before that, Crimea was Russia clay and that is represented by the people there. Then again, what do I know. I wouldn't life a finger if Hispanics tried to take back Texas, my home state. Wtf should I care?

                How many wars were fought over Alaska? At least 7 have been fought over crimea in the last 1,000 years, russia was in all of them.

                >was a us soldier
                >sucking Russian dick harder than a Serbian
                Fuckin 5th columnist scizos man

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly it sounds more like a bot or some kind of paid actor or some shit than anything else. "Look at me i was a REAL PATRIOT and i gave up because Lord god Putin showed me the light! As long as i can go to church and pray to my imaginary friend i dont care if the country burns down!" Sprinkle in some racist rhetoric and mix lightly and bam instant schizo.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Or just a 4chan user, that place hasn’t had a lucid conversation since COVID hit

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Or just a 4chan user, that place hasn’t had a lucid conversation since the board was founded

                Fixed that one for ya.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                btw, my heart goes out to all the Ukrainians and Russians who have died in this pointless war. But I guess the Ukraine needs a NATO. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm fucked up for not trusting the US government, but then again, I spent 12 months in Iraq for no reason or benefit to America.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hate you disingenuous freaks the most

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That and realistic NGO estimates. The lowest doctored estimate is 33k dead ukrainian civilians. No one knows exact figures since it is ongoing and both sides are pumping out propaganda. Most sources agree that maruipol likely suffered the largest civilian causalities so far, it alone accounting for up to 10-25k civilian deaths.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m done answering the question, anyway your getting reayoff topic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >deflects
                Death is the reality of war. The west has been babied and sheltered from it for a long time. The real numbers of dead so far are higher than you think, but probably slightly lower than either side is saying. Over 100 million people died in war in the 20th century.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I had answered it twice right above you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have the answers, and as I said no one has them in exact figures. Only estimates, some more realistic than others. and the realistic ones right now point to tens upon tens of thousands of dead ukrainians and russians and counting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why the fuck are you even here, if no one has answers we’er all talking nonsense and your entire argument is worthless as mud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is anyone in here; morbid curiosity, boredom, percived perceptions about one's opinion on any given matter etc. Mine is that westerners broadly underestimate war, and broadly underestimate russia and drink the koolaid straight from the tap of propaganda and do not analyze things realistically.

                Does a win for ukraine mean it will get back some of the land it lost, yes maybe. Does it mean it will get back *all* of its former land back and russia will be BTFO forever and disappear off the face of the earth, obviously not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Similarly if russia wanted to actually take half of ukraine they would've mobilized much more than the yhave now and gone the ww2 zerg rush route with millions rather than hundreds of thousands of troops.

                They didnt because they cant you genius. They were also told that they had enough on hand because they werent expecting an actual fight.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And all of those numbers are pulled straight out of the asshole of someone that has no fucking clue what he is talking about. None of the numbers he so proudly shits out mean a fucking thing because its all on assumptions and wild guesses. You cant just look at a satellite picture and wish an accurate number out of thin air. There are FAR too many variables that dont show up on a fucking picture of a field. Sure they might have that many husks sitting there but if they have 12 fucking mechanics its going to take them a century to get a quarter of them running. IF they can find the fucking parts.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You cant just look at a satellite picture and wish an accurate number out of thin air.
                Yes you can and its how the US and russia have been keeping track of each others stockpiles for the last 30 years. You can go on google earth right now and count a roughly accurate number of how many abrams are sitting out in the sierra depot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but that’s based on the US assuming best case that all the tanks are operating, we know damn well they aren’t and maintenance is a dirty word in Russian

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Motherfucker read the whole goddamn post before you vomit your stupid ass opinion all over the board. There is MORE to getting a functional tank than having a fucking husk. You need an engine overhaul kit thats in storage or newly made. You need mechanics to install it. You need hardware and a shop with tools to install it. YOU NEED INFRASTRUCTURE. All of which Russia lost because they failed to maintain it past the fall of the USSR. What infrastructure they have is all based around their newer models of tanks because its fucking stupid to invest in tech that was outdated 30 years ago. You cant just flip a switch and make them produce something they arent tooled for.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But muh satellite images!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The bases where those tanks are stored are manned and were built for the purpose of decommissioning or maintaining stored tanks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The dude in the video is counting tanks that are visible on active or reserve storage bases, they are not graveyards. And even in some US storage bases only about half of the total stored assets are salvagable, Davis-Monthan is one example which is both an active air base, a storage base adjacent to the air base, and a graveyard (non-salvagable) next to that.

                Wait so are they grave yards or not?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ONCE AGAIN just because something is stored in a location for the purpose of "maintaining" and "staffed" doesnt mean that they have the CAPABILITY to do so or that any of it was actually DONE. Its no secret that Russia has had issues keeping its forces in shape and the absolute SHITSHOW that was the initial fight in Ukraine showed that. Tires rotted through falling off the rims. Tanks just breaking down and being abandoned. Equipment just failing spectacularly in every imaginable way possible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And *once again* the numbers do not lie. The losses they have already taken vs the minimum number estimated in active duty let alone the minimum number in storage that are salvageable and can be shipped to the front mean that russia is not running out of fodder anytime soon (12 months minimum at current rates).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The made up numbers you’ve gotten from a video from 9 months ago with all the verifiably of a 4chan users rantings?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Motherfucker you still dont grasp the fucking point. It doesnt matter if they have a hundred million tank husks sitting in a field. If they dont have the fucking parts on hand and the people on hand to do anything about it in a timely manner then they dont have any fucking tanks. The amount of steel rusting away to nothing doesnt mean shit if you cant put it into service in a reasonable timeframe which Russia has shown they cant do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think they don't have parts? How retarded can you get. The advantage of zerg rush MIC is that even if half of your tanks in storage will never run again they will at least have more than enough salvageable parts to keep the other half running for a while. And tanks are not as difficult to maintain as advanced electronics or aircraft engines.

                The made up numbers you’ve gotten from a video from 9 months ago with all the verifiably of a 4chan users rantings?

                The video actually has a lower estimate than US military sources give.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > The video actually has a lower estimate than US military sources give.
                That doesn’t mean anything? He could have made up a number all together, it’s a fucking YouTube video, why are you putting so much credence to it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do tanks suddenly not have complex parts and electronics? Also you’ve essentially said they’ve shit so I’m not even sure what your arguing for anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t72s really don't, some are upgraded but it's really just simple 70's-80's level electronic guidance, ballistic computers, and communications.

                > The video actually has a lower estimate than US military sources give.
                That doesn’t mean anything? He could have made up a number all together, it’s a fucking YouTube video, why are you putting so much credence to it?

                You're too dense to connect the dots, the video is merely reinforcing what I was already saying before that and what the actual realistic minimum estimates by NGOs and government sources outside of russia were already putting out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok you’re just set to repeat yourself irregardless of any argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What makes you think they don't have parts?

                You think parts are wished into existence with magic? They are made at a factory crated up and stored just like everything else. They are a FINITE resource and when you are trying to bring back tanks you havnt manufactured new parts for in OVER FOUR DECADES you arent going to have many spare parts to replace. And im not talking about engines or drive trains or other major parts you could feasibly steal from other vehicles. Im talking gaskets and o rings and however many dozens of other parts that go into making a functional vehicle run that are designed to be replaced regularly. Even if they did have a large stockpile how many have they sold off over the years? Is anyone in Russia still even fucking making them? There is more to getting an engine running than the steel and fuel. Its a delicate system with literally hundreds of parts many of which MUST be replaced regularly with quality parts.

                Gaskets and o-rings and sub 1mb electronic storage computers, wheel hubs, bolts, belts, tracks, rubber, combustion engines, hydralic gears and electronic motors etc. Are all stupid easy to manufacture and/or salvage or replace compared with building a new tank. Those in and of themselves will not completely write off a tank if you wanted to get it back into service. Let alone in a country that already produces all of those and mines the needed minerals and resources on its own land on its own.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My man they are struggling to make ball bearings

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If they can pump out civilian ladas they can put stored tanks back into service.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ladas are tanks
                >ladas that have been specifically missing important parts like radios and airbags
                Dude

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Are all stupid easy to manufacture and/or salvage or replace compared with building a new tank

                Ya and still REALLY fucking hard to keep a military supplied with you moron. Thats why the losses of vehicles early on the war was so fucking high. Engines would blow gaskets that were long over their lifespan and never replaced and wheels that had dry rot fell apart driving down the fucking road. You also cant just wish the tooling for all the factories into existence to make 40 year old tech for you in a matter of months. Tooling to make shit is EXPENSIVE and takes a fuckton a mount of time to set up. You cant just walk into a factory that makes gaskets and give them a blueprint and have them crank out replacement parts for a tank in a fucking week. MAKING the items is real fucking easy but SETTING up to make them is REALLY fucking hard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unlike the US, russia already had tooling for t72s and up since they have literally 4 MBTs in service instead of just 1 like most western countries. And in a pinch, yes factories can be converted in months.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they have literally 4 MBTs in service instead of just 1

                That is not a strength. It is a flaw. The more unique shit you have in service the more overly complex your logistics are. Its exactly why no other country does that bullshit. Also no you cant just convert that quickly without major support and investment which again its fucking russia. The least capable "first world" nation when it comes to logistic capability.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but my point was that it demonstrates that your assumptions of their MIC are moot because you are going off western standards instead of battlefield statistics and soviet style tactics. And yes, you can convert a factory completely within 6 months.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes in theory you can, but has Russia? Why didn’t they before hand? Why not just keep your fucking tanks maintenanced in the first place?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who says they haven't? You can't keep the pace of war they have this long without it, which is part of my original argument about them producing an estimated 30-70 new advanced cruise missiles a month right now. Why did germany go from 2,000+ active MBTs to less than 500 in 20 years? Or the US go from 7,000+ to less than 2,500? Perceived need vs maintenance cost.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because tanks aren’t missles, the equipment to produce missles, artillery was already there. The equipment to buy the tanks wasn’t and given the age of the tanks, wouldn’t just appear overnight nor through a crying for the future, considering they thought this would be a cake walk

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were already in the process of modernizing t-72s, t-80s, and maintaining t-90s as their most advanced MBT. They have the tooling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Modernizing isn’t rebuilding the older tank from scrap

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Modernizing is broadly upgrading and/or improving new or *old* equipment to improve readiness and capability. The US upgrading older abrams is part of the definition of modernizing. The difference between a modern and modernizing military depends on how much of their equipment is in that status category, in the US's case it is a modern military, in russia's it is still modernizing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WAS modernizing kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look on the bright side if they get all their current stock they are sending out in the config it rolled off the line with in the 70s blown up they dont have to modernize it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its a fucking industry to support a military. Its not fucking rocket science or somehow unique because its in russian instead of english. It is you who are just assuming that the factories and logistics in russia are working at a functional level and not sputtering out and barely functional. They couldnt keep their shit they had in active fucking service maintained for the invasion they had been planning for months if not years. Piss off with your delusional bullshit. A factory in the US could probably retool and produce something new in 6 months because it has the backing of a functional industry and the resources to do so. Does Russia? The country that couldnt fucking replace the tires on their vehicles they sent to the front lines.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What makes you think they don't have parts?

                You think parts are wished into existence with magic? They are made at a factory crated up and stored just like everything else. They are a FINITE resource and when you are trying to bring back tanks you havnt manufactured new parts for in OVER FOUR DECADES you arent going to have many spare parts to replace. And im not talking about engines or drive trains or other major parts you could feasibly steal from other vehicles. Im talking gaskets and o rings and however many dozens of other parts that go into making a functional vehicle run that are designed to be replaced regularly. Even if they did have a large stockpile how many have they sold off over the years? Is anyone in Russia still even fucking making them? There is more to getting an engine running than the steel and fuel. Its a delicate system with literally hundreds of parts many of which MUST be replaced regularly with quality parts.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m confused, you said it worked, yet all I’m seeing is a massive grave yard that still holds a few salvageable tanks, that’s isn’t “it works” it’s “we got lucky these ones did survive.”

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does at least 2,000-3,000 usable tanks sound like a *few* to you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering I’ll take the word of a guy who’s videos have ads for raid shadow legends from 9 months ago with a pound of salt, no

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or to say, yes there’s probably not that many left now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >less than half of those he counted would be able to be put back into action, some bases as low as 1/4th of the total tank
                That's still a hilariously high estimate, we're talking about shit that's been standing around in open fields exposed to elements with no mainatnence for at least 3 or 4 decades.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also not counting anyone stealing anything from the tanks to sell it on the black market.
                Look at what happened with the tires from their other vehicles. Looks like they got replaced with cheap garbage tires so the vehicles broke down on the road

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Helps a lot when you have lot of dry desert where to store stuff

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure as long as you have the infrastructure in place to refit and replace whats needed and the vehicles were stored properly and well maintained while stored. All of these things the US has and does well. Russia on the other hand... Well lets say that they had the span of over a decade where the only thing that was done to keep their storage maintained was a lone guard posted with a chain link fence. They also arent storing them in ideal locations and most are in mud pits that freeze over.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                US vehicles are usually stored in dry deserts or underground, and ya know, looked after, meanwhile most of Russians supposed legions of tanks can be plainly seen to be left in fields with cold weather/snow to degrade

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They're already digging into their T-62 reserves, which indicates that their vehicle stocks are either much smaller than they have reported, or they are in a very poor condition and cannot be quickly reactivated to be combat ready.

              And either way, even if current losses are a small amount of their overall vehicle fleet, is disproportionately skewed towards their most sophisticated vehicles, BMP-3s, BTR-90s, T-72B3s, T-80s of all types, and even the T-90. And T-14 and Kurganets have yet to be seen at all.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russia even do it
    No.
    /end thread

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I expect the society to collapse when they soon announce new wave of mobilization of 500k people. Have western intelligence said anything about how efficient and useful the training they do in Belarus is?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I expect the society to collapse when they soon announce new wave of mobilization of 500k people.
      I expect regime collapse, but only after the second zerg rush fails, could happen this spring.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Russia wanted to win in Ukraine they needed to do a proper invasion with everything 8 years ago.
    Ukraine has had training and new doctrine for 8 years, and when Russia invaded again they underestimated them.
    You can't throw poorly trained soldiers into and not expect a collapse sooner or later.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia was suffering the same corruption back then, it would have been the same thing

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah probably been much worse considering Ukraine was an actual shithole still instead of trying to fix itself

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Back then they would crumble quickly. Corruption or not.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah probably been much worse considering Ukraine was an actual shithole still instead of trying to fix itself

          Russia didnt invade the whole Ukraine, because economic sanctions would have fucked them, that's why they waited 8 years to build a sanctions proof economy, and try to build their own industries beyond gas and oil, but turns out all the money for that task was stolen to buy villas, yacths and jets

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one is winning this war. The white race is dying and the Russians and the Ukraine are at the forefront of this decline. Of course our ZOG moron loving US government doesn't give a shit about this, I guess this fucks Europe and Russia, so why not? The main goal should be ending the war, letting Russia keep Crimean with fresh water access. Ether way, I pray for peace.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Giving up I see, typical, well go on, scream about garden gnomes I guess.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        giving up? I gave up on America after I noticed liberals not giving a fuck about the US being in Iraq and Afghanistan when nigbama was in office. I already served in a meaningless war for 12 months in Iraq, mostly near the Iraq Iran border. I care about God and the white race. This means that the US government is diametrically opposed to everything I stand for. I hate watching my government bleed the people of Ukraine dry just to harm Russia. The cold war is over, and it is clear that Russia is not the threat to Europe we thought they were, and killing the family formation age males in the Ukraine is not worth the squeeze.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah yea garden gnomes blacks goyium whatever

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are ether a Mormon, moron loving glowie, or a more likely, a butt hurt belter who drinks my nations semen by the gallon. News flash gay, the general public in the US do not care about protecting Europe. Its a service we provide for borderline free, for near zero benefit to white Americans.

            >I hate watching my government bleed the people of Ukraine dry just to harm Russia.

            Oh its this shit again. Im sure your just waiting to screech about how they were in the right to invade and its all a conspiracy to launder money or whatever dumb tinfoil bullshit is popular right now. Ukraine is fighting because they dont want to be a part of fucking Russia. The only thing that could be done better is giving them MORE shit to kill Russians faster so the the war ends quicker.

            >Oh its this shit again. Im sure your just waiting to screech about how they were in the right to invade and its all a conspiracy to launder money or whatever dumb tinfoil bullshit is popular right now. Ukraine is fighting because they dont want to be a part of fucking Russia. The only thing that could be done better is giving them MORE shit to kill Russians faster so the the war ends quicker.

            Ukraine does not have the "demographic energy" to fight a war like this. Its over. Even if they win, its over. They will be replaced with Sudanese moron refugees when they join NATO and the EU. Their is not a single white nation with above replacement level birthrates, and Russia and the Ukraine happen to have some of the lowest birthrates in the world. This war is suicide, was avoidable, and now needs to end quickly to minimize damage to the white race.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Kek that’s the first time I’ve been called a Mormon, so at least that’s new

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mormons literally worship the US government and the constitution. They think the Constitution is a sacred holy document and that the USA is the promise land. They are the biggest boot lickers you will ever meet. Its why the NSA has their data center in Utah.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Blah blah blah skinhead white power screeching

              Dont you have a klan meeting to get to? If you miss it they will have to find a new boytoy fuckhole.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm Catholic, have a wife and children and I don't hate other races. I just happen to love my own.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't hate other races. I just happen to love my own.
                >Im not a racist i just believe mine is better!

                Sure thing guy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The white race is dying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then go fuck your imaginary wife and leave, we don’t care

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then go fuck your imaginary wife and leave, we don’t care

                I know you don't care. To you the Ukraine is an economic zone that occupies a piece of land. The people who live there don't matter to you. If the Ukaine is 50% white in the near future, it doesn't matter to you. what matters to you is "freedom" and democracy and hedonism.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know you don’t care
                Then shut the fuck up and go to 4chan they’ll suck you dick there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like one of those deranged assholes attached mouth to dick to gonzalo fucking lira.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I hate watching my government bleed the people of Ukraine dry just to harm Russia.

          Oh its this shit again. Im sure your just waiting to screech about how they were in the right to invade and its all a conspiracy to launder money or whatever dumb tinfoil bullshit is popular right now. Ukraine is fighting because they dont want to be a part of fucking Russia. The only thing that could be done better is giving them MORE shit to kill Russians faster so the the war ends quicker.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      death rates massively exceeding birth rates are pretty common in wars

  58. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Fucking schizos infesting the board like lice.

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